Thursday, August 20, 2009
Lady Gophers Soccer
The lady gophers start the preseason with a #18 national ranking. With last year's outstanding season behind them, and loosing many oustanding seniors, they may not be able to match last year's success. They should be a very entertaining team, loaded with local talent. Get out to a match and support MN's only D1 program! Click here for schedule
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«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 1273 Newer› Newest»then I would agree with 6:54 that these teams are "mostly composed". does the same hold true for USC, Cal, Santa Clara, San Diego, San Diego State, and UCSB (the other 6 CA teams that made it into the College Cup)? It would be interesting to see from the 8 teams how many of the starters and key subs (maybe the top 14-15 on each team) were from CA (of the 112-120 total players).
MDW missed out on the 2010s and will have to make up for it with a large 2011 class. GG will face much improved squads in the B10 (e.g. see PS 2010 class!) w/o much help.
Folks forget that every recruiting year is different and depends tremendously on future need and scholarship availability. Few graduating scholarshipped seniors translates into a small incoming class. A big current junior scholarshipped class means more available scholarships to offer in 2011. Remember, there are only 14 D1 full scholarships so unless you can give partials or get impactful walk-ons (doubtful) oftentimes a coach at a school like MN has his/her hands tied. Kids will take partials and even walk on at the top national 6-8 schools (easy to figure out when they land 5-6 top notch players every year), but tougher to do at the next tier of schools.
Coach Anson said in a post game interview of the Championship game, that Recruiting is everything. Who should know more about it than Anson??
Couldn't agree more. It's also a bit easier to recruit when you've won 20 national championships in the last 30 years and get to bring in 5-6 WNT/All Americans every year. Do the math, the bulk of his roster accepts partial scholarships to play there. However, he/they've earned that advantage so all they power to them.
Why the west coast thing?? Lets look at the ACC in general. Does every player from VaTech come from VA?? Nope. FSU, Nope. Of course UNC, Nope. UVA, closer, but still, nope. Alot of players on these teams are recruited from out of state. Just like Michigan is doing. I will still say, MN and MI are both cold wintery states. What does MI have that MN does not?? MN has a better soccer complex, MI sucks. I mean, the MI team is all over the map with recruits since new coach came on board. He is letting all the MI-Hawk players to leave.
To the poster who said every team has 14 scholarships..True, but what we ALL dont know, is who is getting what?? Instate players, even if they get 20%, they are paying less than what they did for club. That is a great deal. So, MDW should be offering more aid to out of state recruits, PERIOD!! Come on, she has a world class keeper, what defender wouldnt want to play in front of her. GG's need speed and forwards and mids. She has recruited the last 2 yrs robots from MN. Why is Northwestern pulling kids from out of state, MDW should be after the same recruits, and, what about Canada?? Everyone is going up north for recruits. Shattuck is doing a better job of recruiting than MN is lately.
And speaking about SSM, there is a stud down there from Swedan, is she being recruited??
I do not see any player(s) from MN that are on any of the Soccer America teams. Here is a link of the freshman team(s)
I see players from Dayton, Cent Mich, VaTech, those arent highly rated teams??
Stanford again places three players on All-Freshman first team
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 9:15 AM ET
[SOCCER AMERICA AWARDS] For the second year in a row, Stanford placed three players on the Soccer America Women's All-Freshman first team. Defenders Alina Garciamendez and Rachel Quon and midfielder Mariah Nogueira helped the Cardinal to a 25-1-0 record. Last year, Camille Levin, Teresa Noyola and Lindsay Taylor were first-team picks. For the complete Soccer America Women's All-Freshman first- and second-team selections ...
SOCCER AMERICA ALL-FRESHMAN FIRST TEAM
G Adrianna Franch, Oklahoma State
M Amber Brooks, North Carolina
F Victoria DiMartino, Boston College
D Alina Garciamendez, Stanford
M Kendall Johnson, Portland
F Morgan Marlborough, Nebraska
M Kristie Mewis, Boston College
M Christine Nairn, Penn State
M Mariah Nogueira, Stanford
F Carlee Payne, BYU
D Rachel Quon, Stanford
SOCCER AMERICA ALL-FRESHMAN SECOND TEAM
G Katherine Boone, Dayton
D Bailey Brandon, Central Michigan
M Lucy Bronze, North Carolina
M Zakiya Bywaters, UCLA
M Chelsea Cline, UCLA
M Kelly Conheeney, Virginia Tech
D Laura Eddy, Georgia
D Ines Jaurena, Florida State
F Devin Petta, Northeastern
M Erika Tymrak, Florida
M Allie Vernon, Santa Clara
Half the volley ball team is from all over the country. They didn't seem to have a problem coming to snowy Minnersoter. Look at the press the VB team gets. Look at the coach, Look at his record.
Mdw just isn't very good at evaluating talent. There are players who got little or walked on who were major contributors while some who got a good deal contributed zip. She's just not a good recruiter that doesn't make her a bad person. That's just the way it is.
How does a rinky dink school like Akron (men) turn out top notch teams? Akron ??????
who said anything about her being a bad person???
Anon 3:44
All but two of the freshmen you posted were on teams that went to the NCAA tournament.
Maybe that has something to do with their selection.
Here's something about the other two…
Marlborough (Nebraska) (49 Pts: 21G/7A) (tied for 3rd in NCAA for goals/points)
Petta (Northeastern) (35 Pts: 14G/7A) (2nd in NCAA for scoring freshman)
Players that put up those kinds of numbers, as freshmen, are hard to overlook.
Anon 3:54
Rinky dink Akron has a MN player who is up for the Herman Trophy.
8:16, that is my point thou, not trying to be a butt head, but, the kid that went to UCLA was in MDW's back yard, the kid that went to Neb, Iv tried to explain her before but others want to debate this, she is from MO or KS,that isnt to far away from MN. Why couldnt MDW find her or someone like her, the kid from Northeastern, have no idea bout her but those/these are the players that MDW needs to be trying to get. Vernon from Santa Clara is from IL (who played with Ohio Elite). VaTech and Georgia should be NO better than MN should be year in and year out!! Anything else should be unacceptable. After all, isnt MN trying to play for a conference and NATIONAL championship?
It just seems to me that MN ONLY recruits close to home. MN, IA, WI. again, that is unacceptable. I know that MDW was down in Texas for the youth tournament. I hope she wasnt just watching the MN teams play??
I can assure you that MDW had numerous out of state players on campus this fall for visits.
I don't know all the details of who they were and where they were from nor would I share them with a blog of anonymous posters. However, I can tell you that a coach wants to win more than anyone else - including - parents, players, anonymous haters, recruits, etc. etc. Their livelihoods and careers are at stake. So it is ignorant to think that they are not trying to get the best players, best students, and ultimately who is going to be the best fit for the program.
There are numerous kids that come in for visits and it is clear within about 5 minutes that they are not going to be a great fit for the program. I'm sure this is a big factor.
There seems to be a double standard amongst the anonymous paparazzi. The same people screaming that there is more to it than just the soccer (i.e. academics, campus, etc.) are the same ones that scream soccer, soccer, soccer.
There are so many more factors involved in recruiting student-athletes besides just soccer. It is probably the reason many choose not to try to get into college coaching because 75% of the work isn't even coaching.
MDW demands a very high level of performance far beyond just soccer. Her standards are very high and has no tolerance for sub par academic results. I can definitely speak for our daughter in particular. Look at the academic history of her teams. It isn't something you can google and not something I'm going to share, but it is something that is factored into the kinds of kids that are brought into the program.
She wants to win Big Tens, play for College Cups, etc, but also wants the highest academic achieving team at the U and Big Ten.
No, they didn't get to NCAA's this year, but look at where the team was and where they have now come and are going.....anyone else, i.e. Tim Brewster, would have gotten lifetime extensions and money to swim in. I'm not saying soccer should because they aren't a revenue sport, but they were terrible, awful, for years.
Let the paparazzi sing, but you are just not informed enough to really understand how it works.
Gopher Parent
3:48 -
not good at evaluating talent?
clearly you don't know what you are talking about because you would have no idea who was a walk on and who was on what scholarship.
There are so many kids the Gophers get each year that are hardly recruited by anyone, yet turnout to be great.
Two perfect examples are Molly Rouse and Lindsay Schwartz. This is not a knock on Rouse, but she was recruited by no one, neither was Lindsay Schwartz.
"Not good at evaluating talent" It is just a stupid comment with little or no thought behind it.
GParent...Dont sing me that song and dance, I as well as you have a dd playing college soccer. And I think its fair to say, a lot of the bigger confernce programs do care about how they are doing in the classroom. There is a slap on the coach if players do not keep a certain GPA. But lets look at facts, how many MN players is she bringing in?? Its a Fact. Look at the roster. Now, how many youth natl championships or awards have these MN club teams done in the past?? They are a avg group (not bad) of players, and they are going to the GG's. How many MI Hawk players, Eclipse, Ohio Elite etc players from just Region II has she gotten from OUTSIDE the state?? Yea, she has had bad luck with a few Eclipse players in just the past few yrs, but, the question is still the same. Lets look at some more facts, Kelsey Hood for example, she was from a very good Region II team during her club yrs, she was a major get for the program. Its that kind of player we need to get more of. It only takes a few yrs in a row to get some good players in, then, others will start looking at what is really happening at the U. Kat P is a great start, Jennie Clark is going to miss her mate in the back next yr for sure. KK should of walked right into that position, but, she is gone to FSU. CC from SSM could of been running your offense, but she is gone to UCLA. Did coach really try to get those players?? Im wondering. Its a fact per the website that Hoody was the highest rated club player the GG's got. You need more of those players, 2 have gotten away from you in KK and CC. Rumor I heard a few yrs back was the UCLA coach went to the home of Cheney. Has MDW done that?? Probably not, but on her behalf, players are committing their soph yrs and coaches cant visit. I get that. but there are ways to contact a recruit.
No one is saying coach doesnt want to win, sure she does. but the recruiting front is what is lacking. No one is saying she is a bad person, doesnt want to win, teach and coach a good game, that isnt what is being questioned. As Anson says, Recruiting is what its all about. If ISU, IOWA, Wisc for example get a stud, then you have to ask, why didnt MN get that recruit. Why didnt the GG's try for Alev from WI?? I guess we dont have too, we just recruit MN club players.
If I was a kid who had the option of going to college and playing soccer at the "U" or UCLA on scholarship I sure know what choice I'd have made.
5-6 months of cold, snow and ice or the beautiful SoCal weather and lifestyle?
That is a no brainer for most folks.
That's one of the major issues and concerns we have heard from hundreds of potential recruits at the "U" in most sports.
the real question is how many players have the gophers gotten that ISU, Iowa, and WI have tried to get.
Way more....
KK wasn't considering anyone else besides FSU and GG - She chose FSU which is a great program.
MDW is in players' homes all the time.
You have named two maybe three players the Gophers didn't get, but how about all the others they did.
I don't need to name names....there are far more they have gotten than not.
There are so many players they have gotten competing against other top programs it is stupid. Their recruiting has worked out just fine for them....and they will continue to improve.
Just because they were local and turned down other great programs doesn't mean recruiting it lacking.
who is Jennie Clark going to miss? They will have the exact same back line next year.
The same one that gave up no goals.
Now they just need to score a few more.
You are also forgetting about tradition and reputation. The Gophers don't have a very strong reputation or strong tradition. The Highest level players usually want to play for contenders and want a chance to win. Yes the Gophers have improved the last two years but just not enough. There are many pros and cons as to why kids go where they do, unfortunately the Gophers have a lot of thing working against them. I do believe they have gotten the most out of what they have.
You want big time players then get a big time coach. It's as simple as that.
suggestions 5:11 (other than your beloved WI coach)? The funny thing is the same reason you won't get a big time coach is the same reason you don't get the big time players.....
5:11,
A big time coach? Like Tubby Smith in the basketball program?
He's a definite big time coach. How many "big time" recruits has he brought in?
Bottom line it's really tough to get kids to move to our climate here in Minnesota especially given the fact the "U" doesn't have the typical college campus feel or look many kids are looking for.
And what look is that?? I think most campus's are all different in their own way.
18/12/09 11:50 CC RUNNING THE OFFENSE PLZ thats a good one. She got the chance at SSM and they never even won state cup. Shes a short fast outside mid where she is playing SO FAR MINOR ROLE ON VERY GOOD TEAM. CC is not a center mid. Where she is at is where she should play then and now. Decison making, play making. setting up other players and directing flow of play is not her forte , attacking the net is.
Recruiting....a friend of mine has coached hockey for over 20 years. He coaches a California elite team of 16/17 yr olds. They travel all over the country and their players are heavily recruited. They recently were in town and played at SSM. He said SSM recruits his players. SSM is probably the top hockey factory in the country. A top notch facility. The players that do go there usually last only one year. Their reason is Fairbault is in the middle of nowhere and the weather sucks.So the top hockey factory in the country can't even retain players. Why would you think the U of M could do better in soccer.
The top offensive football player in the country is a couple of miles over in St Paul. You think he's going to attend the U?
MInnesota is just what it is. Mediocre.
Thats funny, I know of many many hockey players that attend SSM, they were there all 4 yrs. Yes, some do leave after 1 yr, see Crosby for example, but some do leave to play semi pro.
Maybe I misunderstood...
But I read 2:08's post as referring to what the hockey kids from California dislike about SSM.
And since this is a Gopher soccer thread, I assume the poster is making an analogy of sorts.
He / she makes perfect sense to me.
I am confused though, is it the U, the state, or both that's mediocre?
try looking at it from a bigger picture....
why does CA have 33M people and we only have 5M?
why are TX, FL, AZ, etc... some of the fastest growing states?
why is the "sunbelt" where are all the population growth is?
why do all the MN folks move south when they retire?
please don't rip this post as being anti-MN, anti-UofM, anti-GG, etc... but everyone must accept the fact that other states have huge advantages when it comes to weather - which might be one of the biggest factors in everyone's day-to-day life. Not as huge an impact if you are pursuing excellence in indoor sports (hockey, VB, etc...), but a major factor in outdoor sports (soccer, baseball, etc...).
10:57..fair enough post. But, I cant see why ANYONE would want to go to Michigan or Michigan State, they are both in the middle of no where USA, its cold up there, and white during winter. Same can be said for Wisconsin. But it seems like WI is on the up swing. And all I can say about that is, Recruiting. At least that is what it appears to be??
More and more we keep seeing this as a excuse. I dont beleive it, if WI, MI and MSU can do it, then MN should be right there with them!! Isnt the Cities bigger than Madison (Mad Town)??
Here is someones 2010 Recruiting rankings from BigSoccer.com
Note Michigan, WI, MSU all are in the top 15. All Northern States in cold weather states. It also looks like MI and WI are recruiting far from their boarders insteat of instate.
1. 9.20 PSU
2. 9.17 UNC
3. 9.07 Cal
4. 8.63 UCLA
4. 8.63 ND
6. 8.55 Michigan
7. 8.47 Stanford
8. 8.15 Auburn
9. 8.02 Portland
10. 8.02 Georgia
11. 7.97 Duke
11. 7.97 Arizona
13. 7.77 USC
14. 7.72 Florida
15. 7.67 Wisconsin
16. 7.60 LSU
17. 7.33 MSU
18. 7.18 Louisville
19. 7.15 Santa Clara
20. 7.10 ASU
20. 7.10 Ohio State
22. 7.05 BC
22. 7.05 Memphis
24. 6.67 UCSB
24. 6.67 SMU
24. 6.67 OK
27. 6.53 S.Carolina
28. 6.33 Wake
28. 6.33 WVU
28. 6.33 Connecticut
28. 6.33 Northwestern
28. 6.33 Purdue
33. 6.10 Virginia
33. 6.10 UNLV
33. 6.10 Marquette
36. 6.05 Oregon State
36. 6.05 Clemson
36. 6.05 Nebraska
39. 6.00 FSU
39. 6.00 UW Milwaukee
that ranking holds about as much weight with me as gotsoccer.com rankings.
so who has WI brought in that would qualify them for the 15th best 2010 class? seriously (and no disrespect to the incoming recruits) go to the recruiting listing and look at no only WI but some of the top 15 schools. Cal is always ranked in the top 10 every year and they always finish 5-6 in their own conference.
Cal plays in probably the best conference in the country top to bottom.
The main reason the Gophers have been mediocre at best is that Maturi doesn't have a clue when hiring coaches. Maturi and whoever hired him should get the axe.
The kid from DLS who went to Iowa St and is the third leading rusher in the B12 as a jr didn't even get a sniff from the U. Brewster is just another cheerleader that Maturi hired and is going to reward failure with a contract extension. You can't make up stuff like this.
Take a look at WI and MI, they both have 2 Canadian Natl Teamers coming to there school in 2010. Why isnt MN after those type of players?? Good mighty, MN's 2011 class looks like a MTA club team coming in. MTA is a good club and have good teams, but they are not anywhere close to being the top teams in the Region let lone top in the Nation. And that is all she is going after.
same person, same complaints, same responses..........
a week passes as no one really cares until
same person, same complaints, same responses..........
wow 3:49, dont you have great insight!! its a blog about GG's and recruiting in general. take a look at the spreadsheet and lets talk/debate/share thoughts on the 2010s and 2011s. Just look at what UCLA, Santa Clara and UCSB are doing. That is recruiting!! UCLA 2011 class, wow. Look at SClara, looks like Jerry is making a great comeback after a few bad yrs. Stanford and UNC are both really down for 2011
3:49 is spot on. it is the same person complaining about recruiting and clearly has no idea what they are talking about.
how come Wisconsin (who supposedly is so good and dominating recruiting) doesn't have a posted 2011 recruit.
part of the reason is at least two of their recruits turned them down and opted for the Gophers instead....there could be more.
comparing the California schools to Minnesota is just not a realistic comparison.
The recruiting rankings mean absolutely nothing at this point. 1st of all, Minnesota only graduated 2 players which is why they are only bringing in a couple more players.
9:19, WHO is comparing other programs to MN ref west coast schools, someone posted what is happening on the recruiting trail is all. Cant we all just talk about that instead of feeling like the GG's are being attacked??
It does seem like your shallow in your thinking however, just because a program loses 2 players does not mean you have to ONLY bring in 2 other freshman.
But since you brought it up, who turned down the GG's?? MTA players LOL. Are you guys thinking that shallow that you cant talk about other programs instead of always thinking the post are attacking the GG's??
I do think that since MN is bringing in so many MTA/Instate players that she should be offering those players less than 1/2 for scholarships so she can have more scholarship $ to offer out of staters, wouldnt you think?? You offer a instate 20% and then a out of stater 80%, I bet both those players will end up paying the same amount for that year. That in a nutshell is recruiting.
so how do many of the biggest schools (biggest as in traditionally best) bring in 5-6 out of state kids every year when there are only 14 full DI's available.
Maybe everyone as some think are not getting 100% full rides as freshman?? Iv been told that UNC only gives Natl teamers 75%, Regional players 50% etc. Also think about the bigger schools only give out 20% scholarships to instate players for the first 2 yrs etc. Coaches have to be imaginative and good sellsman. Im sure that the upperclassman are on full rides by the time they are finished.
Anonymous said...
same person, same complaints, same responses..........
a week passes as no one really cares until
same person, same complaints, same responses..........
28/12/09 3:49 PM
so anon, answer the question to the post prior to your post?? WHY isnt MN going after those Natl teamers from up north??? You still havent answered the question??
11:30 -
I don't think they are stating the GG's are being attacked. they are merely defending the GG's as some things that have been stated aren't entirely true.
You will never know how much scholarship kids are on so it is useless to talk about. It is like going to lunch with your co-workers and discussing everyone's salaries.
Recruiting isn't an exact science and good coaches go after the kids that will be the right fit for their team environment and position needs. They don't go after who gets ranked the highest in polls put together by 1-3 people at most.
In defense of the Gophers, they won a share of the Big 10 last year with only one player that was a top 100 recruit. they had a mix of players that fit well into their positions and I suspect that will be the challenge going forward. They will attempt to find the right players to fit into those positions.
national teamers from the north aren't necessarily any better than the best from the Midwest. A few are, but on average, it means nothing.
Canada has fewer people than California. The SCAL ODP teams would beat the Canadian NT's at their same ages.
Great post 1:05....but, one might add, the B10 was down this yr.
Why do people always say SoCal this and SoCal that?? How many USYSA Natl Championships have they won lately?? It appears that Eclipse, PDA and Texans lately have done better than Region IV?? Im NOT saying R4 isnt any good. Slammers, SoCal Blues, Surf are NO better than Eclipse, PDA, Texans, Hawks. Heck, Colo Rush has the most titles than any other club in girls youth soccer. hasnt NoCal done better than SoCal lately?? I dont know??
3:49
First of all, you don't know that the GG's AREN'T going after them. But my guess is that they probably aren't very hard. I know they have scouted them.
Secondly - Because they aren't any better than what is here already and are a much higher risk. Wisconsin has a couple from MN, but did it ever occur that maybe Wisconsin is recruiting them because they can't get as many Minnesota players as they have tried to. The same can be said for Michigan. Michigan is going after the northerners because they can't get the in state players that Michigan State is swooping up. Michigan State's coach has a much better reputation and plays a much better style of soccer. Therefore, the Wolverines have to try and recruit the Canucks to come......very similar to WI/MN
2:22 - Gophers won a share of the big 10 last year - 2008
Higher Risk?? That is a new one.
I think there has been some good dialog about Recruiting. Its high stakes, and it starts with Recruiting. For those clubs that are ok with same ole same ole, nothing will change, but for those programs that ARE looking to win a College Cup, it starts with Recruiting.
2:29 - then you clearly know absolutely nothing about recruiting.
it is all about risk....
and for teams like many of the big 10 teams, they have to be very careful in the risks that they take. Too many risks in one season can mean 2-3 years of recruiting to make it up. Most teams in the big 10 don't have the luxury of pouring all their resources and scholarship offers into recruits that they have a low percentage of getting....I.E. Top 100 recruits from warm weather climates.
Remember, this isn't football. You cannot offer 2 or 3 times the scholarships you have available for a particular year and then find out more accept than what you have available. Then you have to go around telling recruits you don't have the scholarship for them anymore. It doesn't work that way.
So you can't offer 20 top texans scholarships and wait to hear from them and then if they don't accept, go after all the local talent....it is too late at that point.
great post 3:30pm. i don't think many folks exactly know how the whole process works. the number of scholarships vs. number of roster spots. on the field needs vs. number of graduating seniors. style of play vs. style of potential recruit. your last line was spot on.
3:30, I dont understand your post?? Not trying to be a butt head either. Doesnt any B10 program have the same amount scholarships as UNC, Stanford, FSU etc?? I thought so, so, your saying some programs (that are at the top year in and year out) are risking more?? Well, if that is the case, I want to buy some of that stock since their risk is paying dividends 2 fold. And that is the game, you offer, put pressure on the recruit and wait, but, you should have a back up plan in case the recruit decides against your program and offer.
And for your info, not all top 100 players are from warm weather climates.
Sure, some recruits will hold a program hostage for a bit, thats part of the problem, the schools keep recruiting younger and younger, however, that IS the way it is in Football and Basketball JUST like womens soccer. Thats the game that is played. Pressure from the coach to being held hostage from the recruit. And as soon as that recruit says thanks but no thanks, then the coach is on the phone that fast to the next recruit on the ladder, if they loose that recruit, then onto the next one etc. High stakes fast paced. this is another reason coaches are so high on getting top recruits on campus to sell and put person to person pressure on the recruit. They will tell you, we will wait for your decision, but, a week goes by and guess what, the recruits are getting emails asking, when will we know something. I dont chalk it up as risk at all. If you want a top recruit, you gotta sell to that recruit.
I would think, a coach from a program like MN can almost promise a top recruit that they would come in and play from day 1, like some of the big fellas, they cant promise that. And rule one, playing time is the MOST important thing for any player. NO??
CBG on BS.com did a very nice job of tracing the current 09s this yr, most of the top 20 recruits played and started at their current colleges and most made all conference freshman teams. So, the risk as you say at these programs that took on the top 20 players paid off.
For some of the parents on this debate, how many top schools did your daughters visit?? How far did you travel?? What was the furthest school that recruited your daughter?? Were you recruited from any Big-East Schools, Big-12, just Big-10 or Just Minnesota?? Or, did you recruit the school that your daughter is attending?? Did any of you go visit Baylor, Texas Tech in the same weekend? Did you go visit and get recruited by GB-Wis and Univ of WI?? Did you go visit Iowa and ISU in the same w/end?? Or, are you just saying we picked the GG's cuz, that is where we/she wanted to attend??
sounds like you've got it all figured out 3:52. you should give MDW or PW a call.
3:52 = clueless
basketball and football don't recruit freshman and sophomores in high school on a regular basis like women's soccer.
women are much different.
you don't tell a female that is a sophomore in high school that she must commit within 13 seconds or they will have to move on.
nice try though.
Clueless...Funny!!
3:56 -
Yes, we did many of the things you asked. We definitely visited multiple schools and tried to fit them together into the same trip. We feel we got to see a lot of different campuses, coaches, styles of play, etc.
We are very happy with our decision.
4:16, OUTSTANDING!!
I always thought most big time HS football players didn't make their college choice until after they made their 5 senior visits?
I will leave one sarcastic remark, and then bow out of the conversation......
How in the world can everyone who brags about their DD's "full ride" be telling the truth when there are only 14.5 full scholarships on a team? EVERYONE is a liar when it comes to discussing how much money their deal was worth. Take that to the bank.....
Hey Taking it to the bank, who ever said their kid is going to school on a 100%?? I think the talk has been about spreading the wealth around to all recruits to make things happen?? 20% instate to 80% for out of state etc..I dont think Iv read in the last 100 post about someone saying their kid is going to anywhere university on a 100% full free ride. Make sure you get a receipt before you leave that bank.
why would a kid take 20% from MN if they can get 50%, 75%, 100% somewhere else (and also play)?
good question isnt it?? but lets be realistic, if a kid wants to go to MN and they take a 20% scholarship, that is still pretty cheap, I bet its less than what Mom n Dad had to pay for club??
50%, 75%, 100% sound like a lot less than what Mom & Dad had to pay for club than 20%.....
When it is all said and done most parents will spend more money on club soccer with all the extras than what college would cost at a good university.
get real 3:32.
the cost of college at a "good" university for 4 years will be close to $100K (not even including potential room & board).
even if a kid plays high level club soccer at an early age, the annual costs until U12 or U13 might be tops $2K.
it ramps up from U13-U18 but the most expensive teams might be $5K-$6K.
tops $50K total for 12+ years of soccer. what i did not include are all the costs of mommy and daddy flying/driving to every tournament or MRL league game.
Anonymous said...
50%, 75%, 100% sound like a lot less than what Mom & Dad had to pay for club than 20%.....
30/12/09 3:07 PM
So your the one that is saying your kid is going to school for a free ride huh???
3:07 here. nope - just doing some quick math in my head.
Think about it-
25% of in-state tuition at the U leaves a kid with about $8,250 in costs (not including boarding).
75% of out of state tuition at, say Baylor leaves a kid with about $9,550 in costs (not including boarding)
Hadn't thought about the in-state and out-of-state differences in rates, had you? This tells me that you either don't have a kid of this age, or you haven't done much research.
THAT is how coaches can get in-state recruits cheaper than out-of-state. The program has to cover the differences between resident/non-resident costs. A simple "in-state waiver" is worth a lot toward % of scholarship for non-residents.
sounds like you've got it all figured out. since you've done all the research, how often do colleges offer 25%?
In some cases, if you are willing to look at D2 programs, you can certainly make your investment in Club soccer work out. It is all a matter of priorities, and there is no right or wrong. It is as individual a decision as where you play club.
11:44- the percentages are random just to prove a point. It wouldn't be all that unheard of, however, for a kid to get a 1/4 scholarship. And last time I checked, 25% and 1/4 were the same. It's that "new math".
Since it appears as though you may not understand my point, here it is at much slower speed.
In many cases a smaller percentage of scholarship for an in-state player may be a better deal for them than is a higher percentage from an out of state school.
12:00 - thanks for the clarification and yes, surprise, I do understand your statement.
I guess the issue that I have is your use of a random number to support your statement and to give it credence when as you even state "It wouldn't be unheard of". As it would seem that you are more in-the-know on this subject than I am, please quantify the percentage (not random) of actual scholarships that are doled out at 25% (specifics would carry more weight).
Anonymous said...
sounds like you've got it all figured out. since you've done all the research, how often do colleges offer 25%?
30/12/09 11:44 PM
ALL THE TIME!!
7:29, no one really can tell besides the staff. Coaches even like walk-ons with a promise (depending on development) of getting more aid soph, jr and sr yrs. Now this is risky for the recruit however, but, its done a lot as well.
Here is another twist...lets say your player is a instate player, good player, starter, freshman and is on a 25% scholarship and you have a soph or jr that is a 50% scholarship player, and this player transfers in the winter. Coach takes that transfers 50% and can give it to a current player for just the remainder of that yr, so your player now goes from 25% to 75% for the remainder of her freshman yr. This happens all the time as well. Same is done when you have Sr's that finishes school early. If a player takes summer school every yr, when she is a Sr, she is done in March, guess what, there is money there that can be given to other playrs in the program for that remaining year.
There are no Minnesota teams in the Disney Showcase flights. MDW should have no trouble locking in the "hidden" Minnesota talent.
Wayzata and Eden Prairie U17 teams are playing in the Copa Flight at Disney.
Do top level coaches bother with the lowest flight? Any scores yet?
No scores posted yet. I believe that some top level coaches will be at the Eden Prairie game if the girls wrote to the coaches and asked them to attend. They have some top level players from Minnesota that appear to have not committed yet, so hopefully some coaches will stop by and watch their games.
Looks like Inferno beat the #14 team in the country. Good start for the MN girls! Go all future Gophs!
Which tournament are the Inferno playing in?
Shattuck 17 & 18 boys win their bracket championship at Disney. Congrates.
Inferno is in the Showcase flight of Disney.
Today they beat the #4 team in the country (and defending Disney champions) 2-0.
Awesome win for the MN girls!!
Does Disney still play to a champion? Seems most tournaments have gone to just having pool winners with no playoffs. 3 games and done regardless of how you do. Saves them $$.
Most "showcase" events do not progress towards a true championship as the goal is for ALL the players to get substantial playing time to be "showcased". This can influence the potential final score.
Usually the top 2 teams in each bracket or roughly 50% of the teams get a 4th game against a team that had the same pool results.
Not sure how much "showcasing" is done at the U18 level since most of those players have already committed to a college if they're going to play soccer at that level. Don't see the final score influenecd in any way.
Disney had championships the last few years year -- don't know if they have them this year.
8:38 here, in looking at how this year is set up I would have to state my original post was wrong. By having fewer games (4 max) and more overall teams the only conclusion that can be made is $$$$.
It use to be almost somewhat of a privilege to attend, but much like MRL, teams with gotsoccer rankings north of 300 are now invited.
Make sure you buy your tournament t-$hirt before you head home!
why are we talking about club soccer on the gopher thread
8:57..Amen
Iv known it all along, a bunch of club parents trying to say how recruiting works without even being thru it.
9:53, you're kidding, right? Recruiting starts at U15 for some, U16 for almost all others, and is already over for many U17s. Current club parents probably have a better handle on today's recruiting scene than the old-timers (like you?).
Agree there is a club soccer thread for all the youth parents who like to post about their DD and her team. Keep this one for Gopher soccer.
11:40 and 12:00 here-
I AM a current club parent, and I HAVE gone through the recruiting process for the past two years. My daughter JUST finished the process up and committed. Don't play like you know me or anything about my situation. I do understand the process because I listened to those who had gone before me.
Keep your mind closed and don't listen to anyone who is trying to give you information on this blog. You obviously know better than do the rest of us, or you don't really need the financial support for college. Either way, it is your loss.
we're happy for you....
11:17- 4:43 here. The comment is not to brag or boast, if I were doing that I'd atleast let you know who I or my child was. Makes no sense to brag without attaching it to a name?
The point is to provide known information to the group. Afterall, that really is the purpose/benefit of these types of sites. Regardless of what you think, the real purpose is NOT to hide behind a screen and tear people down.
People here are trying to assist via information. But, I guess you know more about recruiting than any of us. Please enlighten the rest of the group, because you now have the floor, permanently. I am no longer going to waste my time with you, since you need no help.
Signing day is less than a month away.
It appears the Gopher's will have another small class.
It's my guess 2011 is when the cupboards will be filled.
P.S.
Remember the Gopher's , let’s run up the stats, game versus USD?
Looks like the Coyote's coach didn't get her contract renewed.
University of South Dakota women won only 4 games in 2009. All 4 of the wins were against North Dakota if the website is accurate.
Could that be right?
10:43 -
Gophers played a woman down in the 2nd half - they definitely weren't trying to run up the score.
I don't believe USD is on the future schedule.
Someone on another soccer forum asked about the USD results as well.
I believe they did play UND multiple times.
FYI...
For anyone interested in reviewing possible Gopher recruits....
Top Drawer soccer is offering free / unrestricted access all day today.
http://topdrawersoccer.com/
10:03, Im in your corner. there are some folks here that do try to tell the story they took and what they might know, but then they just get torn down by others.
Big Soccer showing the Gophers with another 2011 Minnesota recruit.
This one from EPSC.
That's 5 so far.
3 from MTA and 2 from EPSC.
Can someone provide the link for the spreadsheet that shows commitments by college?
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AriynKqmGsRwdGUyR1ZrSFFUbHFZblNCMnBNZnNqc1E&output=html
It's great to see the GGs getting even more players with great pace.
So, are the GGs looking to fill any other positions from the 2011 class?
I'm sure there are still a couple more pending out there for 2011.
as for recruiting purposes, at least 3 of the 5 2011's turned down Wisconsin.
who is coming 2010 and where are they from?? 2011 would also be nice.
Thanks
12:10 - see 9:48 link from this morning.
I believe there is also a transfer that will be added to the 2010.
12:05, since your in the know, why did the MN kids not decide on WI?? Better package deal at MN, WI requesting them be walk-ons? Whats the story??
unless you are a coach specifically involved with a recruit, i doubt anyone else would or should know who got what in terms of a scholarship "deal". doubt i'd believe what most parents had to say either. most teams have 20+ players and only 14 D1 scholarships but if you asked every player's parents they are all there on "full rides".
I saw on the recruiting spreadsheet where a 2011 national pool player from Eclipse is going to Penn (not Penn State, but Penn). Academics, environment, location, fit, coaching staff, long range goals after college, and yes - money, are all hopefully part of the college selection process.
Every situation is unique. Nothing wrong with those players who place soccer near the top of the priority list, nothing wrong with those who place playing in front of family/friends at the top of the priority list, nothing wrong with those who place playing soccer at the bottom of their priority list. Some kids would rather be on a really good team and not play a lot, some kids would rather play a lot on a team that is a notch down.
To each their own.
Why doesn't the GGs soccer booster club do more to help recruit and raise revenue.
Why do the best athletes in all sports in MN go to college somewhere else? You got that kid at Kansas Cole Aldrich who will be a #1 pro draft choice in basketball. The Miller sisters in basketball and on and on.. The eather in Kansas isn't much better than MN. It has to be that we have a lousy reputation in sports. Nobody wants to play for a lousy team?
What could the GG's soccer booster club do? They can't offer anything from a financial standpoint and they can't change the weather. What kind of enticements did you have in mind?
3:39 - you offered two examples.
Outside of football, Minnesota has historically been very strong in most sports. Look at their Sears Cup results and look at most of the non-revenue sports.
and I'm sure Kansas lost some top in-state HS kids along the way as well. agree with 4:20, other than football, women's soccer, and maybe the occasional baseball player or woman's bball player, MN does a decent job at holding their own. hopefully the men's bball situation has improved with Tubby now as coach (Aldrich committed almost two years before Tubby arrived and the Miller sisters was what like 12 years ago).
4:28 - Are you serious? Women's soccer?
Are you really putting football and women's soccer in the same category? that is hilarious.
maybe the occasional women's socced player has left, but by far and away, the best have stayed here. It isn't even close.
By my rough count, there are only 3 or 4 players in the past 5+ years (from Minnesota) that were recruited by the gophers and left. And one of them transferred back and is now coaching for the GG's.
take a deep breath 4:36. maybe the class of 2010 was fresh on my mind.
I'm breathing just fine...just pointing out the math.
Is 436 MDW? Or just another blogger who has no idea what he is talking about? There are more than 3 or 4 players from MN recruited by MN who went elsewhere, and I would guess MN has landed some that were recruited by others. Different kids look for different things. Nothing wrong with that.
the key phrase that 4:36 uses is "being recruited by the gophers...". I'm not sure that's the point. Every blue chip football player, basketball player, etc... who went elsewhere was recruited by the gophers.
It is interesting that people refer to the number of players that are or are not recruited by a given school. The only person who knows is the head coach, and I would not think they are on this blog. Even if so, would they always tell the truth? I doubt if 436 or others are MDW or PW and thus have NO first hand knowledge of the situation. Each kid and parents knows what schools they have spoken with, anything else is unreliable hearsay, and really nobody else's business.
ISU Womens BB beat GG
ISU Football beat GG
ISU Wrestling beat GG
Enuf Said!!
Coach MDW takes a fair amount of heat on this blog for her recruiting patterns.
However,the historical data seems to indicate,each "class" is improving on the previous classes overall record.
Here's how they stack up.
(I arranged the percentages from low to high not year to year).
Class of 2004 (4 seasons) .444 .474 .526 .526
Class of 2005 (4 seasons) .474 .526 .526 .846
Class of 2006 (4 seasons) .474 .526 .675 .846
Class of 2007 (3 seasons) .526 .675 .846
Class of 2008 (2 seasons) .675 .846
Class of 2009 (1 seasons) .675
So, given that "Rome wasn't built in a day", maybe she will end up doing okay with "local talent".
I got this from BS.com
Just for kicks, as of 1/6/10, looking at the Top Drawer top 25 recruits for 2011:
17 of this list have committed
UCLA: 4 (#2, #10, #16, #22)
ND: 2 (#12, #20)
UCSB: 2 (#7, #8)
One each: Florida, Georgia, Miami, Missouri, PSU, Santa Clara, TAMU, Villanova, and VA.
Not that the Top Drawer top-100 list means much at this point in time (it shuffles considerably over the next year) but, in general, the top 25 of that list should contain at least some of the best talent.
Notably, the two national finalists (Stanford and UNC) are currently missing from this list.
Stay tuned!
UCLA 08 class was ranked #1, UCLA 09 class was ranked #2, the 10 class is looking like a top 5 ranking and the 11 class is going to be #1. The rich get richer!!
12:11 - I looked at the list. Where is the local kid going?
How does that compare with the top 25 recruits from 2010?
For any school to annually bring in that much talent (5-7 top tier players) means that few if any kids are getting the proverbial "full ride" (as has been repeated often there are only 14 full D1 scholarships). Maybe 50% tops on average. It would appear the opportunity to play in SCal for a final four contender every year has it's own value.
lets look at this...say all Sr's are on a full ride by the time they are Sr's. that is fair. Most classes are graduting 5. So there is 5 of the 14 scholarships. Jr's, are either full or very close, that is another 4-5 players, we are down to 10, with 4 left. If you take the instate kids, they are getting 25%, the out of staters are getting 75%, then you have the walk on's. Each team has walk ons. Also, we have to look at transfers, kids that leave the program, if that player is getting aid, that goes back to the kitty.
You will have programs that give some Freshman full 100% scholarships, then you will have programs that give 75-50 to freshman to earn more, etc.
If a coach is good, they can come up with some pretty good players with equel scholarships. Its all how the coach divides the aid. and sells the players.
walk-ons at UCLA, UNC, etc...? i could see where this might make sense for some schools (GG's included), but the original comment was about the top schools. 4 scholarships for 10 kids turns into rolling the dice every year.
One more thing to understand, not all players play, let lone start and play a full 90. So if a player is going to a UNC, UCLA, Stanford etc, it would be easier to try to figure out where the aid is going to, the 22nd player that isnt playing sure wouldnt be getting much, one would think??
Good comments. I guess the overriding theme is very few soccer student-athletes truly get 100%. Almost sounds like maybe half of that (some years more, some years less).
How many players would be getting partial academic scholarships/grants? Would the coach be able to stretch their 14 athletic scholarships that way?
I'm guessing they are very creative with other non athletic scholarships. Partial athletic scholarship and Partial something else scholarship?
Which is why a nice GPA / ACT score makes a recruit even more desirable.
If a coach can get a kid money from another "department", all the better.
3:52..100% correct statement!! And 2:07, like some have said in the past, not all players are looking to go to college and major in Soccer. Some players on the top teams Im sure they have a few each that only want to be involved with the team and only attend that school for a certain major. I still say, there is more walk-on's then we know.
If a coach can get scholarship aid from other depts, that does not count towards the 14 soccer scholarships, coaches love those type of players!! :)
Not sure if this is old news ...
But, along the Gopher academic front ...
2009 NSCAA All-Central Region Scholar
Second Team - Kyle Kallman
Good ole family PR!
socmom has a daughter on the Gophers...I know who she is.
She is not Kallman's mom.
Come on spill the beans who is socmom!!??
who are you first?
I am "Anonymous said"!
Seriously...
Are we "outing" soccer players parents now ????
I would think Kylie Kallman's mom would know how to spell her name - so I highly doubt socmom is Mrs. Kallman!
LOL so if you want to brag about your DD just misspell her name and nobody will think it is you? No idea and don't care about the case in question but 538 is hilarious!
8:28- nice try, but if you aren't closely related or a member of the Kallman family- you forgot to mention a couple other MN women who were also on this list such as-
Abby Stratton
Melissa Lewis
Ericka Lund
Rosie Malone-Pavolny
Quin Ryan
Tory Schiltgen
Maria Leder
Clare Dahmen
Alison Dittmer
Megan Hillesheim
Kelly Duchene
Maggie Fedor
Courtney McKenzie
Rebecca Anderson
Whitney Wilson
Sarah Sather
Amber O'Connor
Jennifer Krokum
Elizabeth Flesvig
Martha Curtiss
Kendra Benson
Heather Anderson
Madelyn Gerber
Alexandra Paffrath
Kate Trenerry
Gabrielle Arrowsmith
Teresa Gazich
Whintey Halman
Elizabeth Judkins
Laura Skog
I think you get the point? Please keep in mind that I spelled many of the names above correctly so they must be my children.
Shameless PR, you gotta love it! BUSTED.
i think 8:28's comments referenced "Gopher academic front". a wee bit thin skinned are we 8:31....
Isn't the name of this thread "Lady Gophers Soccer"?
After all is said and done the reason stud players don't come to the U is because of reputation. That's the same reason we hire average coaches in all sports. That's just the way it is and always has been.
same reason we can't get the stud coaches in sports where the U has no reputation.
Men's basketball got a stud coach. Pay em and they'll come.
I realize men's basketball is a revenue producer but it comes down to the money as in most jobs.
the basketball program has always had a good reputation and in college basketball every kid who dreams of the NBA has a shot because of all the TV coverage and March Madness.
comparing basketball at the U with soccer and football is apples and oranges IMO.
The point is you can geta "stud" coach if you're willing to pay the going "stud" coach salary.
It's as simple as that.
don't agree. you are making the assumption that the U's coaching vacancies operate in a vacuum. coaches have choices and in soccer there are other programs with better weather, recruiting potential, and history that would be willing to pay as much if not more than the U. same in football.
if the U's football or soccer coaching slot became open at the same time as a top 10 program, the odds of Maturi getting the current "now and wow" coach would be very slim - no matter how much he offered.
How then did the University of Michigan get Greg Ryan? Everyone has their price, and can be purchased to take over any program.
By the logic provided by 10:10, there would be some programs who still would not have a coach.
the fired US coach.....doubt there was a huge line of schools fighting over him....time will tell.
if he had gone to the U and had the same results (two league wins in his first two years) would you still be singing his praises?
Ryan got a package deal, MI opened the bank for him as well. Not only did he get what he was asking, he also is getting a new stadium in the future, new locker rooms etc. He got a great package to bring MI back to the top in the B10. This past w/end, TopDrawer did a piece on Wilkins at WI. mmmmm? They also mentioned Alev from Alaska, and she is playing Hockey at WI, let me ask, doesnt MN have a female hockeyt team? Wilkins also said she is after the kids close, she wants the WI, MN and Chicago kids. And from the looks of it, Canadian kids as well.
Anonymous said...
same person, same complaints, same responses..........
a week passes as no one really cares until
same person, same complaints, same responses..........
28/12/09 3:49 PM
was it Yogi Berra who coined the phrase "it's like deja vu all over again".....
Anon 9:35 ...
You are assuming, or have inside information, that MN (soccer / hockey) made no attempt to recruit the Kelters (from Alaska).
Top Drawer article on Gopher rival, Paula Wilkins...
http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer/college-soccer-archives/nid-14127/Northern-Comfort
10:29, no inside info, however, if MN did recruit this player, then it appears she lost the battle doesnt it??
As for 9:57, either your all for the direction the GG's are heading or, you have opinions, and by george, if you dont have the same opinions as you, then your just wrong. Till then, why dont you start to try to prove us all wrong. I bet you have that post saved in your cut n paste file dont you?? But then again, the GG's are starting to look like,same players, same complaints, same responses..........
a week passes as no one really cares until
same person, same complaints, same responses...we love the GG's, as long as the coach keeps recruiting from MTA/MN, from avg club players.
12:59 - the Don Quixote of MN college soccer fighting the recruiting windmills in his/her mind.....
so PW wants local recruits
she has 1 in three years from Minnesota.
they don't have any 2011's listed and none heard of from Minnesota which is arguably the best class the state of Minnesota has had in a long time.
Michigan's new soccer facilities are going to be average at best.
There is a reason Michigan has to recruit Canadians, they are having little success getting in state recruits.
Their style of soccer is so abysmal, I'm sure it is tough to recruit locally.
yes, Ryan coached the national team, but he had little collegiate success before the national team and will need some saviors to make Michigan any better.
After watching his MI team play this year and his history with the USWNT, I wouldnt want my daughter playing for any of his teams!!
It does appear that the MI Hawks have a pipeline to MSU doesnt it??
However, I see that 3 2011 defenders from the Hawks have committed to Iowa.
Any of you want to bet that the GGs can't pull one of the best 2011s MN has to offer? I guarantee that they don't get the one they want the most.
i think MDW's already got every one she wants.
Looks like for 2011 MN already has a GK, one D, two M's, and one F.
LOL apparently 734 DD not going to MN.
734 here. You're right, they didn't get my daughter. But that is not what I am talking about. I bet everything in my wallet she won't get the F with the most National Team experience from the current U17s. If MDW were to claim isn't interested in her, then she is a liar. Any D1 coach would be happy with that recruit. Again, this is not my child! I am just making what seems to be an obvious statement.
8:19 - why the bitterness and animosity. are you trying to flaunt your so called inside knowledge?
woohoo...look at me everyone, up on the stage, I know it all.
seriously, you could have picked a far more professional and mature way to say this no?
right now, you are screaming, "my daughter wasn't recruited and i'm bitter so i'm going to get back at them somehow."
are we children or are we parents.
actually 1:36 the post reads "they didn't get my daughter". maybe they turned the U down. Hope your chins ok after your knee jerk reaction.
my chin is just fine. i'm not the one with anger and bitterness. have a happy life.
too funny, but right on queue.
8:19 here- I NEVER said that I was bitter because my kid was not recruited by MDW. I NEVER said that I was bitter about anything.
What I DID point out is that MDW is not getting the best kids in MN. If you don't believe that watch the spreadsheets to see the blue chippers in her backyard she isn't getting.
No anger, no bitterness- just predictions. Let's watch and see.
I see the annual "MDW doesn't get the states best players mantra" has begun. One can only imagine the objective sources these comments come from.
MDW not having a good 2010 class from the state was understandable because the talent just wasn't there. If she comes up short again with the strong 2011's it will not be a good sign.
8:15, thanks for the laugh.
I am not 8:15, but why is that a laugh? You have to come up with the recruits. You seriously think that any school/coach can let her best local talent sneak out the back door to other programs?
If she isn't getting the local talent year in and year out, then there is a potential problem. This problem won't be addressed until she stops winning, but keep losing recruits and that will stop sooner than later.
A pretty good group of players so far for gopher class of 2011. If the players allowed to develop slowly should be productive and hold their own by junior and senior years, At the very least should win at least half their big ten games and most of gophers usual non conference games scheduled against mid-major and lower level major schools. Dont think that any will be difference makers in big ten games freshman and sophmore years. All will need to be seasoned slowly and learn to play up against older stronger and more team oriented savy college women. In order to score and defend in Big Ten all have to learn to blend talents better with older teammates and learn to execute with refinement. The key to any of their success hinges on work ethic and to daily challenge themselves to get better.
2010 fall season looking to be pretty successful but hope the gophers fans are realistic and level their expectations down a bit after that for next few years. 2011 will be trying water shed year to keep program on level its been and may slip a bit with the emergence of some other big ten team programs that feel have had much better recruiting classes from wider recruiting base. Their soon to be national success shouldnt diminish a program that is good and leaves most games against upper third big ten teams and ncca tournament teams in suspense till the end. Athletic director needs to really gauge in 2011 if he satisfied with program staying at this level for several years to come. This program resembles former Mason football program in a lot of ways.
The Gophers graduate only 1-2 players that saw meaningful minutes.
The 2010 class is not a critical one for the Gophers. 2011 is more important.
They're set for 2010 season with current returning players and it should be a successful year with all that experience they gained last year and before.
I've said it a few times before, but it is a good issue to have when people are so closely scrutinizing who is coming in and who will be playing for the Gopher soccer team. It used to be a struggle just to find a win and a goal every few games and now the bar has been raised and goals/expectations are high every year.
I've followed close enough to know that there have been numerous players come thru who were hardly recruited by anyone, yet turned out to be really good collegiate players. These are the same kids that a few on here would have laughed at the U for recruiting because they weren't on the national ranking lists and hadn't turned down Wisconsin, FSU, UNC, and Penn State to come to the Gophers. Yet they turned out great. I don't need to name names, but there are several on the current team and several that graduated with the 2008 big ten championship team.
It is comical to think that someone is trying to compare the future years of the Gopher soccer team to Mason's football teams with recruits that are currently sophomores and juniors in high school.
It is also comical to think that an athletic department would consider all the baggage and financial drain that comes with cleaning out a staff and team to bring in a new staff and team that is going to be around 5-8 years at most IN A NON REVENUE SPORT.
This all with a team that competes with anyone in the big 10. Has a really good 2011 commitment list so far (how come Wisconsin has NO ONE) with more coming.
It is laughable. We can agree to disagree, but the topic of the conversation is really non productive.
don't forget they are one of the top academic teams at the U. I believe they finished 2nd last year.
I think 8:38am hit the key point - this is a NON REVENUE SPORT. GG soccer loses money and will never make money. I know we all strive for them to be the best and the GG's are near and dear to our hearts, but other battles might be better to pick.
Yes, thanks 8:47 - another good point.
Emergence of other big 10 teams? Who? What is your basis?
Please don't tell me about Michigan. Have you actually seen them play?
Interesting quote from Paula Wilkins from the TopDrawerSoccer.com article:
"Jerry Yeagley (former Indiana men’s coach) used to talk about having piano carriers and piano players. We try to get our core players from Wisconsin, Minnesota and the Chicago area, and may go outside of that for the special players, although once in a while a special player will come out of this area too,” she said. “You can still find kids people don’t know much about who will impact the program immensely. If you look at a lot of teams there will be two or three players who really make a difference, but the other players are still so important to your program.”
I think the U has a strong core but is missing that special player and MDW may have to get a kid outside of the area to come in and be that special player, which is something she hasn't been able to do during her tenure. If you can get one, it then becomes easier to get the second.
interesting quote. KHOOD was from the area and helped beat both of PW's teams - PSU and Wisconsin
PW is trying to speak to recruits, but she has only been able to get one from Minnesota so far.
I'm glad 10:52 mentioned it.
I slightly disagree with 10:27s post.
MDW was able to land a "special" player in 2005.
KH fits that profile in my book any day.
And you have to love the piano player / piano mover quote.
I once heard Buzz Lagos use a similar phrase regarding a team that was underperforming.
"Too many piano players and not enough piano movers".
I guess the hard part, as a coach, is learning how to get the movers and players to work together for a common goal despite conflicting egos.
The Gophers don't have a legit difference maker. They do have a very good supporting cast. Heck there are probably only five or six in the Big Ten. The Big Ten is seen nationally as a conference in decline for a lot of years in all sports and this doesn't help to land stud players or big time coaches who are proven recruiters.To make matters worse Maturi is in way over his head.
11:34 - I agree with you about the # of difference makers in the big 10, and I know the big 10 didn't have a good showing in NCAA's this year, however, they did end up 3rd in RPI.
I know, I know, ACC and Pac 10 are WAY up there. But the big 10 WAS third. those are hard #'s, not heresay and speculation.
Anonymous said...
It is comical to think that someone is trying to compare the future years of the Gopher soccer team to Mason's football teams with recruits that are currently sophomores and juniors in high school.
It is also comical to think that an athletic department would consider all the baggage and financial drain that comes with cleaning out a staff and team to bring in a new staff and team that is going to be around 5-8 years at most IN A NON REVENUE SPORT.
This all with a team that competes with anyone in the big 10. Has a really good 2011 commitment list so far (how come Wisconsin has NO ONE) with more coming.
It is laughable. We can agree to disagree, but the topic of the conversation is really non productive.
13/1/10 8:38 AM
please do not use MN Soccer is a non-revenue sport, what a sad excuse...Soccer is the same in other parts of the country, but they dont use this as a excuse. A&M, Portland by far have massive crowds, but everyone else is in the same boat. GG pull in what, 600-1000 a game, same as USC, same as VaTech, same as Clemson. More than Iowa, more than WI. Come one, you gotta get it better than that.
As for the power house in the B10, Penn State. They are getting 2 super big and fast forwards that are going to be around for awhile. maybe a GG defender can kick the sh%t of them and break their leg like they did with MSU.
Wow 3:48
"maybe a GG defender can kick the sh%t of them and break their leg like they did with MSU"
That was harsh...
Sounds like someone has an ax to grind with MDW.
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