Thursday, August 20, 2009
MIAC, D2, D3, UofM Men's Club, NAIA Soccer
The upper midwest enjoys some of the best non-D1 soccer in the country. The MIAC (Men's & Women's) should be an interesting race this year, and MN's only public D3 school, UMN-Morris, looks to continue improving. Additionally, the UofM Men's club soccer is also a national powerhouse for club soccer and enjoy's a strong series pre-season matchup with the MIAC elite.
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MHO, MIAC will finish:
1 Augsburg
2 Gustavus
3 St. Thomas
4 Macalester
10:28 I'm new to MIAC viewing, what MN players will stand out at those schools?
10:28, You're not even putting Carlton in the top 4 who's ranked 14 nationally right now?
1. Carleton
2. St. Thomas
3. Augsburg
4. Gustavus
1. Augsburg or Carleton
3. Gustavus
4. St. Thomas
This is how it will be
Carleton will drop like a rock this year, probably finish 5th.
the top of the miac is loaded with talent this year. each team has a number of players worthy of being mentioned. ex. carleton, gusties, olaf, st thomas, auggies
i agree that carleton will fall a long ways this year (maybe not make the playoffs). they graduated numerous outstanding seniors and the team will be very young. the defense should be solid but they will really struggle to score goals
the national ranking is a farce as it is just a repeat of the final rankings from last year
U of M beats UST 4-1 and CAR 3-2 and ties AUG 1-1
2009 NAIA Men's Soccer Coaches' Preseason Top 25 Poll - (Aug. 18)
RANK
1 Bethel University (Tenn.)
2 University of Rio Grande (Ohio)
3 Oklahoma City University
4 Mount Vernon Nazarene University (Ohio)
5 Concordia University (Calif.)
6 Lindsey Wilson College (Ky.)
7 Notre Dame College (Ohio)
8 University of Maine at Fort Kent
9 University of Mobile (Ala.)
10 Azusa Pacific University (Calif.)
11 Hastings College (Neb.)
12 Baker University (Kan.)
12 Bellevue University (Neb.)
14 Hannibal-LaGrange College (Mo.)
15 Simon Fraser University (B.C.)
I beleive Mike ??? (Wings, SLP '07)is at Azusa Pacific University, Henry Robson is at Hastings College. Most seem some distance away from MN. Does anyone know of anyone else playing soccer at a NAIA school ?
Clarke College has 2 kids from Minnesota both Keepers one from Hopkins the other from Monticello.
Jamestown College has 4 players from Monticello on the roster, this is a fairly new program but still nice to see.
Nobody from MN on Azusa Pacific roster.
WART 3 CAR 0. Wartburg is a very solid team and, as expected, CAR struggled to score goals. Only reinforced the prediction that CAR may not make the post season playoffs.
Game not as bad as the score may indicate as a couple goals were very cheap and will not happen going forward.
Saw Wartburg & Luther both play scrimmages eariler this season. Luther has made significant improvements. Wartburg was solid as well.
???Mike Hutton is playing for St. Thomas or for Northwestern? I saw on Inside Minnesota Soccer they said that St. Thomas defeated Northwestern 3-1, and that Mike Hutton score the lone goal? I thought Mike played for St. Thomas? If so who won the game? St. Thomas or Northwestern?
From what I read there it looks like several teams have made some significant improvements. U of MN-Morris looks to have stepped up to the plate some. Who played in goal for Augsburg?
Bethel seems to have made some significant improvements as well. Looks like the MIAC should have some very interesting games.
hutton had only goal because UST won 1-0, not 3-1
big games this weekend down in st peter. it will tell alot about gac and ust
The rock is sinking!
not anymore! you didnt know what was going on with ust players over the weekend so you have no clue about the team!
7:45 Go ahead and tell us what was going on with the ust players.
swine flu or something...Hutton was not at full strength. When he is, he scores and the Toms have a chance. Without him, they are average.
it wasnt just hutton. like 7 of the 22 players has/had it at some point.
Does anyone know what going on with Dakota Tech? With that kind of talent your think they would be winning????
I hear St. Thomas will finally be swine flu and injury free for their MIAC opener at Augsburg. Augsburg hosts St. John's on Wednesday and is ranked 14th in the Nation. I predict Tommies win 2-1 on Mike Hutton goals.
Dakota Tech has some of the best talent from last years Senior Class,but it takes more than talent to create a great team.....
They do compete against many teams that could compete with teams in the MIAC.....
I predict GUS 2 CAR 0. Carleton will have tough time scoring and GUS is much more experienced this year.
holkers too good of a coach to let his team lose to an average ust squad
Augs vs. UST. BEST game of the day. Augsburg has the edge with home field and coaching, but they will struggle to score in the flow of the game. Watch for set plays.
lol, holkers too good to let his squad lose to ust?? 1 - 0 UST win... last four years ust 4 augsburg 0, looks like holker just can't find the answer to beat an average ust squad
Yeah, he must be a terrible coach
What's up with Augsburg losing to both UST and Macalester now!
I watched part of the AUG v MAC game on MACs web broadcast. Neither team played particularly well. AUG had the bulk of posession and knocked the ball around a bit. MAC didn't bother to posess, they just knocked it long and let their forwards run after it. MAC seemed to have more dangerous chances.
Augsburg struggling right now - if they don't sort it out by Wednesday, they may be in jeopardy of missing the playoffs. This is a team that hasn't played well yet, but it still 5-2-1 and capable of doing some real damage. Should be a fun non-conference game in the rain tonight vs. UW-Oshkosh (21st in National Poll).
Oshkosh will handle Augsburg not close.....
WB at a Kansas Community College, that goes to show the relationship between High School talent and the College game......
Or it could show the relationship between playing soccer and performing in the classroom. From the post on the Men's D1 thread, it sounds like WB could not cut it academically to play D1, D2 or D3.
Oshkosh escaped Augsburg - 3-2 win for the Titans. Augsburg crushed them in half two, outshooting UWO 13-2. Gave away a soft goal in first half to go with a corner kick and a great blast in upper 90. Hard to win when you are trailing 3-0, but good fight as Oshkosh became panicked and then lost to Olaf today 3-1. Olaf lost to Concordia the day before on a 4 hr road trip...UWO had full day to rest.
Crazy MIAC scores with St. Thomas and Gustavus joining the Oles in the loss column. Bethel atop the league at 2-0-1 (sans Carleton 3-1 game in hand).
Heard that Augs senior goal keeper has quit. What has anyone else heard?
St. Cloud State beat Mankato on Sunday 1-0 in overtime, that is two conference losses for Mankato also losing to UMD. Some great parody in the NSIC this year!
Ryan MacArthur (last year all metro) at d2 UIndy groin injury early in the season - injury redshirt.
who cares
I do
I hope we hear good things from RM next year. He is a quality player.
Only one MIAC team in top 25 in NSCAA rankings. Go Olaf.
I heard the redshirt rule has just been changed. Division 1 redshirts are now able to get that year back in division 3. Does anyone know if there is truth to this and does it affect players already playing. This would greatly affect numerous teams including augsburg, st thomas and gustavus.
I am amazed at Carlton this year. I saw them play 3 times, sat next to their bench 1 time. After hearig their coach say "good job back-checking" a 1/2 dozen times, and watching their poor play, I am amazed at their results. They are a very average-poor team that is consistently over achieving. I see they still have UST, AUG and STO so they could end up 6-4, but they will probably make the playoffs regardless. Wow!
9:41
I assume you saw Carleton early in the year. It has taken them a while to figure it out after losing five starters, but they are stating to jell very well the last few weeks. They possess the ball very well building from the back and have started finishing better than early in the season. Still do not win nearly enough headers and will struggle with the top teams.
10:41 once at the beginning and 2 games in the past 3 weeks. They have had more than their share of luck so far.
Maybe scheduling luck, but 18-1 in the last five games has to be the result of a little talent. I thought that at the beginning of the year they would not make the playoffs, but it appears that the MIAC is quite mediocre this year.
Did anybody ever understand why Augsburg goalie quit and is that really the reason for their recent slide????
There current goalie had a D1 scholorship that he turned down. I would think he is a quality goalie and would hardly be the reason for their slide. But I have not seen them play and am only speculating.
He turned it down... or they turned him down? D1 means you need to be dedicated and willing to work hard!
1:47 - goalie with an attitude -imagine that!
Over rated when playing club and over rated in college......
MN Futbol, how about adding this link to NSIC DII women's soccer.
http://www.northernsun.org/Sport.cfm?SportID=9
There is alot of great soccer being played in this conference and they are mainly MN kids.
i see that augsburg goalie did not quit, but team sure is struggling.
Can carleton get the ship righted to make another run at the conference championship? Huge game wednesday with UST. Any predictions?
I know of 3 of my old team mates who play at Briar Cliff University (NAIA). Justin Blaine (Champlin park), Rob LaTourelle (Centennial) and Grant Morris (Woodburry) They are all down in sioux city Iowa.
I know of 3 of my old team mates who play at Briar Cliff University (NAIA). Justin Blaine (Champlin park), Rob LaTourelle (Centennial) and Grant Morris (Woodburry) They are all down in sioux city Iowa.
Huge game today for UST and CAR . Any predictions?
I think UST ekes it out 2-1. CAR has made its hay against the weaker half of the conference.
Bethel College over Augsburg 1-0!
CAR scores with 0:11 left in the second OT to beat UST. Counterattacked from their own half in 10 seconds and beat the goalie who tried to come out and stop a through ball.
Fabulous game to watch.
1 Carleton
2 St. Olaf
3 Concordia
4 Bethel
With over 1/2 the MIAC schedule complete, who would have guessed these 4 teams in the playoffs?
Congrats to all 4 teams for a fine season so far!
5:25
Still think UST will be there at the end because of their games in hand, and possibly GUS, but nice improvement for CON and BETH.
Does Rosenthal play for Valley United U18BPR? Somehow the one who stood out on that team to me from when we played them, was G. Gomez...I couldn't even tell you which one was Rosenthal if that is indeed his team..
Agreed. Rosenthal is the product of a strong team. But MN HS coaches don't care. They want the decision to be easy. He is the easy pick...and deserving. He has scored over 30 goals this year.
AUG 1-6, and St. Johns 1-4-1. What gives?
CAR, with no stars on the team but fundamentally very strong, concluded a THREE PEAT as conference champs with a 2-0 win over AUG last night. After first few games of the season i would not have picked them to make the playoffs.
Has the conference fallen on hard times?????????
Please keep comments regarding boy soccer and such craziness on the "09 Boys HS Season" thread.
2009 MIAC Men's Soccer
School MIAC Points Overall
Carleton * 8-1 24 11-3
St. Olaf 5-3-0 15 11-3-1
Concordia 5-3 15 8-6
Bethel 4-2-2 14 8-4-2
St. Thomas 4-2-0 12 8-5-1
Macalester 4-3-0 12 7-7-1
Gustavus 3-3-1 10 5-6-3
Hamline 2-4-1 7 6-8-1
Saint John's 1-4-1 4 5-6-2
Augsburg 1-6-0 3 5-7-1
Saint Mary's 0-6-1 1 4-8-2
WOW! Augsburg has really tanked this year. Holker got to be ready to grow hair. I not sure if I think MIAC has fallen on hard times but I think it shows that in this conference the difference between a sucessful season and a unsucessful season for all the teams is just a couple of players.
How about Bethel in the top third!!!
i hate to say it because i love bethels effort but they will lose their last two games and not make playoffs again. When looking at the remaining schedules this is what the season will end up...
Carleton 27
St. Thomas 21
Gustavus 19
Then olaf, concordia, and macalester will tie with 18 so i'm not sure who will go through.
2:58
I disagree. I think GUS can be beat by BETH or AUG. GUS is overrated. BETH controls destiny. Six teams have shot at 2-4 seeds, including BETH.
I'm glad to see Holker team struggle. It couldn't happen to a nicer person. NOT!!
I think Holker is a intensly competitive guy, that ruffles the feather of some of his players as well as some of the parents. I would suspect his objectives are to 1)Win, 2)Play hard, 3)Win. Those that have a problem with that should probably look at non competitive activities.
I support basket weaving.
How 'bout Holker, talking some smack in his post game v CAR
"...we took the game right at them and were better"
but lost 0-2 and have 7 less wins than CAR in conference.
oh here we go again, rip some one, now its holker, how sad, get a life
You can read it on their web site:
http://athletics.augsburg.edu/news/2009/10/16/msoc101709.aspx?path=msoc
3rd to last paragraph:
"Wow. Congratulations to Carleton on claiming their third consecutive (MIAC) title. They are a very good team," Holker said. "So are we -- we just have to ignore the standings. They don't tell the story of this team, not even close. We were all over them in the first half, but decided to extend our scoreless streak and missed our best chances. They had two chances in some chaotic moments, but other than that, we took the game right at them and were better."
So...you want Holker to tell his team that they are crap instead of we are a good team that just doesn't show in the standings? I think maybe you should look into those basketweaving classes.
If you want to make your point with extreme examples, go watch CNN or CNBC. It is not they are either crap or that they are better than CAR. There are many different things he could have said. In fact, he could have just left the last 3 words out. He had already made the point that his team was better than the standing.
I know Holker is a good coach. Probably one of the top 3-5 in the state. He has been successful at every level. Just needs to choose word better at times.
Who doesn't. But rarely do any of us have parents/fans pouring over ever word and then complaining about the last 3 words. It seems silly to me to even complain about it.
First time I ever read an Augsburg game summary. I was not able to make it up for the game and thought I would read both team's stories to get an idea how the game went. The stories paint a differnt picture of the game. I thought it was funny that AUGs coach would make a comment like he did.
Rarely do coaches read over every word of a blog looking to see what someone might say about them. Seems silly that anyone would bother to make anonymous comments in support of themselves.
Every Coach has the ability to look at things their own special way. Listen to them when they are recruiting talking about their program. That is everyone not just Holker.
shut up you idoits. You can't talk smack about holker unless you played underneath him. I did a couple years ago and he is a great coach. He had a bad year and is a competitive guy so is unable to admit it. I highly dought that he won't be in the top four next year and will make a come back. But for now leave that alone because there is no further reason to dwell upon it. Carleton, St. thomas, Gustavus, and fourth is undetermined will make the playoffs and i promise this year will be a battle to take the champoinship.
Does anybody think that an "at-large" NCAA bid is possible for a MIAC team? I say no.
My prediction is that UST wins the playoff and NCAA automatic birth. Carleton's numbers are great lately, but I think they have been living a "charmed" season so far.
CAR wins 11th in a row and has outscored opponents 30-1 in the win streak. However, I still think they are vulnerable in the playoffs and any of the four playoff teams ha a real chance to qualify for the NCAA tournament.
(2:38) I'm talking about 10:03 and 7:28 talking smack about holker...and I still play in the miac and will rip anyone here to shreds, I played D1 and transfered because i'd rather have fun than treat soccer like a job...i am defending holker because people like to rip on someone and since he is having an off year he seems to be that guy...yes this is a blog for opinions but stop talking smack about people when your probably some nobody who never did anything
carleton will not win the playoffs this year...gauranteed
Ok, I'm going to go out on a limb and open him up for all kinds of critism but here goes. Hastings College Men's Soccer team won the GPAC and will advance to either the Regional or National Playoffs. Haven't quite figured out how the GPAC/NAIA works yet. Go Broncs.
the winner of the ust concordia game has everything to gain and the loser is basically done with the season. the same can be said of the bethel olaf game. any predictions?
wow. Last game and five teams still contending for three playoff spots. I think CAR loses in the tournament, but who will be the winner? Seems more wide open than ever.
Has time finally passed Pat Haws by at SJU?
It's been obvious for a while that he wasn't identifying talent as well as some of the MIAC coaches who truly understand the finer points of the game. This year has finally exposed how large that gap in coaching ability and talent assessment has become.
It's sad to see a vaunted program like SJU finish last in the MIAC.
I have predicted all season that Carleton was not as good as its record and it looks like the reality has finally come to fruition. Only got eirht shots against olaf. I assume the field was bad but last time i checked they both played on the same field.
It will be very interesting to see if they can bounce back, but I predict UST to beat them 2-1 on Wednesday. Any other predictions???
There will be NO at large bid this year as MIAC seems down quite a bit.
I disagree with 8:08 - if Carleton and St. Olaf win their semifinal games, both will get into the tournament. One as the AQ and the other as a Pool C bid. If either loses in the semifinal, they better hope the other wins the event to have any chance (super small).
As for Haws - super nice guy, but has never been a soccer guy. Even he will tell you that.
I predict:
Semis:
CAR 1 UST 2
MAC 0 STO 2
Final:
UST 1 STO 1 (UST wins in shoot out)
CAR will get an at large bid
The winner of the Carleton vs St Thomas team will win the championship by two goals. But it's just too close to predict that game. I think only one goal will be produced by either a freekick rebound or some other garbage goal. Last time these two teams met Carleton won with 15 seconds left in double ot. Carleton should get a bid either way in my opinion.
carelton will win 3-0 and then lose to mac 3-2 in the championship is my prediction
carelton will win 3-0 and then lose to mac 3-2 in the championship is my prediction
CAR women beat undefeated CC in a shootout
CAR 3 UST 0
Penalty kick and two nice goals. Carleton finished and UST did not. Fairly even play.
MAC 1 CAR O
Complete injustice - MAC going to NCAA and CAR and STO sitting at home. Loras lost to Wartburg, Carroll lost and Grinnell won in MWC - not good results for the MIAC. Thought CAR was best team by far...maybe GAC
Congrats to Macalester and hope they go deep!
St. Olaf sneaks in as Pool C berth to join Macalester. Four women's teams in - Carleton, Concordia, Macalester, and St. Thomas...plus St. Scholastica for five total from MN.
Bracket and locations announced tomorrow morning. http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-soccer/auto_pdf/2009-MSoc-D2Release
What is better, NCAA d3 or NAIA??
NCAA d3 is far better in the midwest. there might be a couple teams that can play with the d3 teams but the difference is huge.
The few top NAIA teams crush D3 teams. Those few top NAIA teams do quite well against D1 teams.
Check their schedules.
A lot more depth at D3. NAIA teams have a lot of older players and international players who financially or academically can't get into many of the NCAA schools.
NAIA is very similar to D3. Loras a top D3 school final 4 NCAA tournment past two years plays Clarke College a 6-9-3 NAIA school. Final score 2-1. The match was tied until the last 7 minutes 1-1 very evenly played. Hard to make blanket statements that D3 is better or NAIA. I do believe the top NAIA schools would win most of the time against top D3.
The MCC Conference a NAIA conference in Iowa had 4-5 teams that could play with and beat IIAC or MIAC teams. Viterbo beat University of Wisc Superior 5-0. Clarke tied University of Dubuque 1-1. University of Dubuque 14-4-2 2nd place IIAC Clarke College 6-9-3 5th in NAIA MCC. Lots more examples if you look....
NAIA=NCAA D3. Don't get your jockeysinabunch. Top NAIA teams, like top NCAA D3 teams could compete with the bottom dwellers of D1.
I would think if you took the top 5 D3 teams, the top 5 NAIA teams and the bottom 10 NCAA D1 teams and had them all play each other they would all end up around 6-6-7.
Sept 1 Graceland University vs Western Illinois University. Graceland is a good not great NAIA.
Graceland 4 Western Illinois 0
Wisconsin 1 Western Illinois 0
I am just guessing Graceland would do ok in many D1 Conferences. Western Illinois finished in the middle of the Summit League. D1
Oops my mistake Western Illinois finished 2nd in the Summit Conference.
NAIA is offers scholorships for soccer unlike D3. NCAA has been trying to recruit a lot of the NAIA school to play D2. Sioux Falls NAIA this year will be playing D2 next year. Should be interesting to see how they do.
IMHO D1, D2, D3 & NAIA are no indications of the quality of soccer. From what I've read West Point is D1 but I would suspect have a very difficulty time beating the top 5 MIAC schools.
I read somewhere that NAIA average age is 25. I know they don't have limitations of foreign students unlike NCAA. From what I saw of clips on you tube I would suspect that the teams at any level D2, D3 or NAIA could play with most if not all the D1 schools.
There are various levels of D1. Take the Midwest for instance. As an example,in women's soccer you would have Notre Dame at the very top level. U of M and UW are in the second level and would easily beat ANY D2, D3 or NAIA team. At the third level would be an Iowa State or Drake, either of which would have a tough game vs. Mankato, Duluth or Winona. At the 4th level would be an NDSU, which would kill lower level D2 schools and then you have a North or South Dakota, which have no business playing at D1 as they would and do struggle with medium level D2's. D3 is a joke on the women's side as these teams get beat by good U-16/17 premier teams regularly in the spring.
I guess I should have said MENS Soccer. The number of opportunities for women to play college soccer compared to the men is ridiculous. I think men soccer also has the added diminsion of foreign students and minorities in masses that womens soccer does not have. At times some of the Jr. Colleges have some very good teams/players due to economic situations of their athletes. The differences between mens and womesn soccer at the college level is massive.
i know the GPAC down in northwestern Iowa is a rather competitive Conference that would take down many of the MIAC teams. It sent 2 teams to the national tournament (One of the two was ranked in the top 25) University of Sioux Falls is going NCAA D2 and they got beat by many of the GPAC NAIA teams. I know Briar Cliff beat a D2 school ranked in the top 10. The avg age is not 25. I have watched the MIAC games and its a boot ball game, i have seen my nephew play at the NAIA schools and thats way more competitive/tactical. They get a scholarship for a reason.
I am a former GPAC coach. Funny 2:01. Most scholarships at NAIA schools are not funded. Most do some sort of funny-funding. Many of the schools do pick up former marginal-pro players, but they rarely can compete with d2 and d1 school. The GPAC schools would finish evenly spread in the MIAC. Some years they would win the conference, others they would not. The academics at the GPAC schools generally can't compete with the MIAC.
St. Olaf is out and MAC continues to win. I suppose you have to give some credit to the MAC coaching staff. After watching 4 games (including the playoff win against St. Olaf) I couldnt believe they could continue to win games. But they keep finding ways to win. Congratulations to the MAC players and coaching staff.
Funny or not my son plays for a NAIA school and his college costs are less than what going to a in state university would be largely because of the funny money. I have great deal of confidence in the education he will be receiving, small class size and opportunitys that are there. The soccer program plays some of the best D3 schools in the Midwest and competes well. The bottom line is a good soccer program can exist in D3, NAIA, and D2. Many NAIA teams would win the MIAC and the IIAC. I will acknowledge that going to Macalester, St Olaf, ect does give you a great opportunity educationally, most Division 1 colleges would be hard pressed to compare with what many MIAC schools offer overall. The price tag of over 35,000 per year should buy you that.......
Very few people going to MIAC or IIAC schools pay much more than half of the posted tuition. They are more expensive than the public schools but not greatly so after financial aid figures in.
St Johns University would have been 24,000 after Financial Aid,so to assume most MiAC schools are generally half the sticker price is hard for me to believe.
St John's is a school where the financial aid increases along with your high school GPA and also more aid with higher ACT.
My son attended SJU and tuition was approx 50% of the published rate.
I can't say enough about the education he received but I know it is as good or better at several other MIAC schools.
They're all great institutions.
Im a different mom, than the one who has previously posted about her son's expereience in the GPAC.
My son unfortuneately, struggle in a very large high school, and was finally diagnosis with a learning disability at the end of his junior year. He went from C-D student to a A-B student. However the damage was already done to his GPA. At the D3 schools he would have receieved no financial aid so the price tag for him would have been $35-$41. He is going to a GPAC school, receieved a athetic scholarship (as listed on his tution bill and fiancial aid package) and the school is about what it would cost at any of the State Colleges here in MN. Educationaally he is doing amazing! Mid quarters grades were at a 3.3 GPA, he has a tutor to help him, the team has study halls, and they have soccer players frequently recognized for academic sucess by the GPAC. The team is doing very well.
RESEARCH ANY college you are interested in. As we did our search we saw many different types of opportunities. He was recruited very heavily by a D2 school an offered a substantial scholorship, he said thanks but no thanks as he was not impressed with the school. We looked at D1 schools, most we thought were too large for what we thought he needed.
Academic's were our first priority, then price, then the size of the school, size of the community, campus and then soccer. Would I love to have him closer to home. YES! But I want him to succeed, academically more. The opportunites I just describe were either not explained of offered to us here in the MIAC with a price tag we could afford. The MIAC has some great school, don't get me wrong, but for my son with his issues we need to look outside of the MIAC. I take some offense to the implication that GPAC school inferior to the MIAC school academically. The school you coached may not have been the greatest in academics, probably not in soccer either from the sounds of it. However, such generalized statement make me questions what your real beef is?
I think the information here points out the fact that it always depends on the fit. My son is thrilled to be at a Naia School. I think the generalizations across catagories of colleges are simply short sighted. Of course if you carry a 3.5 or better more money comes your way. My son was a 3.2 and a 29 on his Act not dumb not gifted and the best fit was not a MIAC school. He was interested in Macalester but did not have the resume to get in. I am thrilled with the education and the attention he is receiving. The cost is a plus but not the reason he is attending his college.
9:45am is your son part of a GPAC school from Nebraska?
12:38pm - Yes, he is. :)
They play their first game of Nationals on Saturday. If they win that game they go on to California. psr
WOW! Here is an example of a NAIA Roster. I can't imagine that they are not very good.
http://www.usao.edu/usao-sports/msoccer/roster
thats terrible putting up a roster like that and assuming that theyre better because theyre foreign
I'm confused, are you upset that the roster was posted from their website. Which I thought was public knowledge since it on their website.
Or are you upset that I said they must be "good" (not better) because they all seem to come from countries were soccer is the main sport. Not like here in the USA were Men's Soccer takes a backseat to American Football, Basketball, Hockey and Baseball?
Or are you just looking for a reaction? I also thought it was an interesting roster given some of the previous post regarding NAIA teams.
12:38 Great for your son, good luck to him. I believe our sons played against each other at U16 and u17. My son is also at a Naia School had a fun first season of soccer and loves the college...
Where is your son playing? Maybe next year we can hook up for a road trip to watch them play against each other again.
Plays for Clarke MCC conference, I doubt unless they make the tournment they would see each other. Young team just under .500 for the season you never know....
2:20
I have to agree saying that you implied that they were better. By saying i can't imagine they're not good (kinda confusing with the double negative there.) you are implying that they are better than Americans...
Hastings College 2 - Science & Arts University of Oklamhom 1
Obviously they were not better as they lost. I would still argue that they are good thou.
1:21 The post was not meant as a slam to anyone, but was more of a response to 14/11/09 10:54 PM post. As far as being confusing with the double negative, yeah I get that a lot. :)
Hastings (Neb.) vs. Biola (Calif.) (4:30 p.m.) That is Pacific time so 6:30 pm here.
Here is a link: http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/2009championship.html
Hastings loses in a shoot out.
5 -4. Great season, good game.
Lindsay Wilson wins the NAIA Mens Soccer. Here is there roster....
http://www.lindseyathletics.com/roster/14/2.php
Here the roster of Akron's Zips Mens Soccer http://www.gozips.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10800&SPID=4334&SPSID=47179
Some interesting stuff while surfing the web.
Brian Sexton is at Lewis College and went with them to the D2 NCAA II tournament.
Trainor Jurlsyard (sp) one of the goalies for last years U18 MTA team went with Fort Lewis College in Durango, CO who won the NCAA Div II Championship.
Kind of fun to see the some of the MN boys along with TB find some sucess in college soccer.
I currently play in the Gpac and the GPAC teams would take down a good chunk of the MIAC, the avg age is not 25 like you guys say, take it from a player, we had 2 teams sent to the national tourney including 1 team ranked in the top 25 and Briar Cliff who beat USAO 4-3. how is taht not better then the MIAC i dont know, it's not boot ball like back in MN, the coaches are better, the players are better, and they competition is at a higher level. The GPAC teams play a hard out of conference schedule, as they put on many NCAA D2 and other top ranked NAIA teams.
Thanks for the info on the MN Boys on the NCAA Div. II teams - the programs they are at are finding success and I am sure in some way, they play a role in that. However, neither player set foot on the field. I find it hard to accept those names in the same sentence as Teal's.
Excuse my faux pas by mentioning TB name in the post. We are all aware that he is the current soccer god/stud from MN. My humble apologizes in daring to mention other player’s names in the same post.
Anyone know anything about Loras, Wartburg and U Dubuque?
D3, no athletic scholarship money. They are all in Iowa. Wartburg has a very high quality track and field program, if your athlete has ability/talent in that sport also.
I know that Loras and Wartburg are very sound academically, not certain about U Dubuque. Any other team specifics could probably easily be found in a web search.
Loras has the look and feel of St Thomas or Hamline, except Loras is pretty small. It is on top of a big hill in a historic area of Dubuque. It has excellent training faciities for all sports. The Rock Bowl is very very nice for a D3 school. Many of the students there are from Iowa or the Chicago area. AHA and some other schools consistently send a few students there every year. Loras soccer will come to the TC area once or twice a season to play the local MIAC schools. The Duhawks tend to punch above their weight in Womens soccer. Their mens team is also towards the top of the IIAC.
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What about U dubuque?
Wartburg is a pretty nice Lutheran school. Both the men and women have had some success in the past few years. Have had same coach for both teams but will finally split this next season and the female asst coach will take over for the women. Academically sound, great athletic facilities, involved profs, very generous with aid.
U of Dubuque, nice small campus, soccer as good or better than any MIAC teams on the mens dont know about the Womens or the academics...
I have a couple of kids I know who will be seniors at Loras this year. On the surface, it would appear (by looking at NCAA tournament appearances) that Loras is the better place to be?
Although, I still can't figure out exactly what a "DuHawk" is?
Loras is a great soccer program, final 16 NCAA tournment 3 years running on the mens side....
From the record it looks like the DU team has done pretty well in conference.
Whatever you're smoking 6:33, I want some.
Dubuque as good or BETTER than any MIAC teams?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH That is rich.
You're telling me Dubuque is and has been competitive with the likes of Gustavus, St. Thomas, St. Johns, and Macalester in the last decade? This is simply not true. Hell, Gustavus even made an NCAA finals appearance! Not to mention all those teams have been in the national tournament consistently.
Maybe they can hang with the Hamlines and Bethels of the world, but they are in no way as good or BETTER than all MIAC teams. What a joke.
Pat Haws retiring from SJU. The job likely to fall to his Son who has been an assistant there for many years. MIAC coaching quality has gone up over these past 5-8 years. And the Johnnies need a coach who can recruit AND break down other teams.
Larry Zelenz out at Gustavus as well...who is an early favorite for that job?
Holker to Gustavus? He played at Gustavus, assistant coach at Gustavus. Experience in the MIAC at Augsburg.
Would he leave Augsburg? They are one of the top teams now and he's in the city. GAC will be down in talent this fall as well.
Gusties lose 4 out of 35 players. I think they will still be good.
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