directing players is one thing Max, but that does not mean they will execute what is asked of them. The coach can not make the decisions that are constantly required while the game is being played. It is not Xbox.
7:11 - Agree and being willing to adjust but the players still have to carry out their roles and responsibilities.
933- as I stated before - when it comes to wins and losses coaches get too much credit and to much blame. Imagine a coach thinking coaches are not the be all and and end all.
Coaches are not the be-all and end-all but they are the glue that holds a bunch of teenage boys together a few months a year. If they are good , that is.
Jaguars have offensive players that play defense in the summer. Coach Storlien needs to stack the back, and look for a counter attack. Jags are talented but not even close to as good as apple Valley. Most play very conservative if they are looking for a result.
If you read the comment he/she said they were going to ----> stack the back <----. It's a different system. Thats the only chance anyone has against them.
Here is an article for TomAss to continue his rant about his pet peeve this season: http://coachesaid.com/Article/2009/9/14/Apple-Valleys-Scanlon-500-wins-and-a-lot-of-fun
You cant compare scores of games. You are right Jefferson could not even beat Lakeville North and AV hammered them. So since Jefferson beat EV 2-1 in regulation and AV needed overtime then Jefferson would win. NO that is not the case. AV is the best team in the state. Bloomington Stadium is a mess. It will be a bad game to watch. I have watched Jefferson play three times and they are the best passing team in the state. I dont think they will be able to play that way on the field in Bloomington. If they just boot it like Valley it will be close. If they try to pass, pass, passs they lose by a lot of goals.
905 - thanks Scanlon, I think I just puked in my mouth. AV made adjustments at halftime against Chanhassen? That's funny, one clueless coach making adjustments against another clueless coach. LOL yeah that happened.
I do give Scanlon credit for hiring decent assistants. They should be given more credit for the team's success
Now Guido Kauls knew soccer
1043 - priceless, great comparison
710 - I have no problem with that pick. AV's own little Rooney
939 - sorry, LOL he has nothing that I would care to have have or be associated with. Unless of course he has some decent cigars in his humidor or rare vodka/tequilla in his freezer.
Regardless, I'm happy to be a soccer coach. He is happy being a coach that is part of the sport.
Can we stop the bashing for a bit and get back to high school soccer predictions and discussions?
Since this is the last week of the regular season, how do you all see the sections wrapping up for State?
I will get things started with mine for now... sorry don't know enough about single A schools to predict:
1AA one of the Lakeville schools 2AA Bloomington Jefferson 3AA Apple Valley 4AA ??? 5AA Champlin Park 6AA Southwest 7AA Anoka or Coon Rapids 8AA Elk River
XMan Games to Watch - Tuesday 10/6 Plenty of good games on Tuesday as the season nearing close. We have tight races in these conferences: Northwest Suburban - Anoka, Centennial, Elk River Classic Lake - Armstrong, Edina. Suburban East - Mounds View, White Bear Lake, Stillwater, Park of Cottage Grove.
* MUST WATCH GAME * Apple Valley vs. Bloomington Jefferson - 7:00 PM at Bloomington There shouldn't be any questions who's better team but will they show up and play like one. If they do then game should be over at half-time. Otherwise watch for an upset in OT. I have Eagles 3-0 Jaguars.
Lakeville North vs. Lakeville South - 7:00 PM at Lakeville There's always a battle between these two. I have Panthers 2-1 Cougars.
Blaine vs. Centennial - 5:00 PM at Centennial High School Can Bengals get back on winning track after losing to Osseo and Anoka. Can Centennial come back after uncharistic lost to Spring Lake Park. Centennial is in a tight race for #1 with Anoka and Elk River. I have Cougars 2-1 Bengals.
Champlin Park vs. Anoka - 5:00 PM at Anoka The Tornadoes is in good position to win the NWSC conference. The Rebels have been disappointing lately. I have Tornadoes 4-0 Rebels.
Elk River vs. Osseo - 5:00 PM at Osseo, MN The Elks are in tight race with Anoka and Centennial. Can they pull a fast one over Orioles to have a showdown with Anoka. I have Elks 3-1 Orioles.
Robbinsdale Armstrong vs. Minnetonka - 5:00 PM at Robbinsdale Armstrong Can the Falcons be the Champs of the outgoing Classic Lake conference? I don't think the Skippers can stop the train. I have Falcons 2-0 Skippers.
Edina vs. Wayzata - 7:00 PM at Edina Don't count the Hornets out just yet. They're hoping for the Falcons to lose or tie. I have Hornets 3-1 Trojans.
Mounds View vs. Woodbury - 5:00 PM at Woodbury The Royals can win the Suburban East conference if they beat the Mustangs. I have Royals 3-0 Mustangs.
Roseville vs. Stillwater Area - 7:00 PM at Stillwater They're fighting for #2 spot in Suburban East conference. I have Raiders 2-1 Ponies.
Park of Cottage Grove vs. White Bear Lake - 5:00 PM at White Bear Lake They're fighting for #2 spot in Suburban East conference. I have Wolfpack 2-1 Bears.
AV will not be shut out this year, their attack is too deadly, and they already beat EP by 3 and Eagan by 6, Jefferson is not as good as those teams why does everyone think this is the team that will beat AV, just not going to happen this year
I'm still trying to figure out how Southwest is ranked. They haven't beat anyone. They don't deserve to be ranked anywhere in the top 10. I'd love to see an Armstrong Southwest final in 6AA.
2:49 You are correct. I am a coach. Sunday night is a big night of politics!
The section seed meetings are more important than most players realize. i.e., put up some numbers this soon, this is when your section decides if you are nominated for all-state. Odd, being that many section coaches don't play play each-other. And don't be fooled, the other coaches don't care about you--if your coach doesn't fight for you, you are screwed.
Hey TomASS, You should wear a shirt that identifies you at the Chaska vs. AV game on Wednesday. I am sure that you will have alot of friends in the crowd and on the sidelines.
AV has let in only 5 goals over 15 games with only 35 shots against as well. It seems like they're marking more goals on the scoreboard than their opponents can with shots.
Bijan Jabari leads the back as a returning All-State sweeper as well.
Bijan Jabari is a very talented player and plays his defensive role as well as anyone in the state.
Last year his free kicks were fairly affective
AV's weakness is when they get exposed on the flanks and a team is able to move him from his central position. What is required then is early entry passes to take advantage of the central space he vacated.
It was their weakness last year. Probably not so much this year based on the number of goals given up.
1. Apple Valley 2. Woodbury 3. Minneapolis Southwest 4. Anoka 5. Eagan 6. Edina 7. Bloomington Jefferson 8. Elk River 9. Eden Prairie 10. White Bear Lake Others: Park Cottage Grove
Someone needs to explain why Southwest is #3. Their best win is against Minnetonka (might end up at .500). Their next best win is against Central (went 0-3-2 against non-conference teams). after that, they took care of two teams that are below .500. What a joke of a schedule they have. I wouldn't even have them in the top 10.
Mpls SW lost 1-0 to No. 2 Woodbury. Lakeville North lost 9-1 to No. 1 Apple Valley. SW deserves to be ranked, Lakeville North doesn't. Why should the Lake have 5 teams in the top 10 if Valley is killing all of them?
I wouldn't count AV. AV is in its own category. Mpls SW has very weak schedule so their record looks impressive but will falter when comes to section. Watch.
Agreed that AV is a cut above. Minneapolis schools have a tough time scheduling because they are forced to play 12 conference games. SW might indeed falter -- just like AV did last year.
Minneapolis Guy - It's funny that people think a loss is something to hang their hat on. When Southwest lost to Woodbury, they should've dropped out of the rankings. They're ranked because they beat Minnetonka and Central, The rankings are officially a joke. Non-Conference games for Southwest (Hill Murray - losing record, Central 0-3-2 non-conference, Minnehaha - losing record, Minnetonka - 7-5-4). At least South scheduled Jefferson, Armstrong, Wayzata, Hopkins and other strong Non-Conference games. I'm sure they'll be touting that Edi kid as Mr. Soccer. How can anything that Southwest does be taken seriously with that schedule?
Oklahoma is 2-2 in college football and ranked No. 19. Why? Because they lost two games to ranked teams by 1 point. SW's only loss is to No. 2 Woodbury, so they deserve to be ranked.
SW played better non-conference teams than AV, which scheduled powder puffs like Richfield, Hastings and Owatonna. Minnetonka is better than Wayzata and Hopkins (sorry South parent), and St. Paul Central has been decent the past few years.
Wow......Apple Valley is now 16-0!! This is amazing that they have gone the entire season undefeated! It will be interesting to see how this season ends. They must be a solid group of players.
All Vince had to do was let the car drive itself last year. He didn't and the players played the game he wanted them to play and it was not their strength.
The talent was there - I know for a fact since a core of 14 players played together at the premier level together for over 4 years and the last year won the league premier title, albeit Bangu (MTA) did not play league play. My estimation that group of players had more talent than this AV squad
Against Jefferson Vince took his foot off the gas too soon. The Osseo match up would have been very interesting. Only weak spot at EP HS last year was at keeper. Harry the keeper from St. Louis Park was on the EP summer team so they missed his high quality keeping. Harry was one of a kind.
I place Vince and Scanlon in the same basket of HS coaches. However Vince is supposedly very intelligent outside the realm of soccer with the advance classes he teaches.
I'm a fan of soccer up in the Western Suburbs. Who cares who's a good coach or not. Apple Valley is 16-0 playing against really tough teams. You can't get there without having a good team and at the very least a great motivator, organizer and person (in other words, a coach.) All this who's better than who, it's just annoying babble. 16-0 speaks for itself. Give the team and the man the credit they deserve.
Thanks Minneapolis Guy for proving my point. Oklahoma has at least played against ranked non-conference teams....Miami, BYU and a tough Tulsa team and will be playing 3 top 25 teams in their conference schedule.
You mention Apple Valley. Again, strength of schedule....Quality wins against Eagen, Jefferson, Lakeville North, Lakeville South, Eden Prairie and Park of Cottage Grove.
Minnetonka is third in the Classic Lake currently and might be tied with Wayzata if the beat Hopkins on Thursday and Minnetonka loses.
Don't get me wrong. Southwest is a good team, they just haven't proved that they deserve to be #3 in the rankings and that's their coaches fault for not scheduling tough non-conference schedules.
Tomass what is going on? I usualy value your opinion on this site but the stuff with with scanlon and Vince is getting a little wierd. PLEASE PLEASE Tomass switch gears to something else.
10:04, it's a crap shoot when scheduling teams...Central was supposed to be good, Woodbury is ranked 2nd and they played them to a 1-0 loss and Cretin was supposed to be good too. Minnehaha...yeah that's not an attempt at scheduling a quality opponent, i'll give you that. As for Lakeville North, no team that is beat 9-1 should be in the top 10. Armstrong lost to Hermantown...and Centennial tied Cretin whom you are arguing is not good.
Tomass, "Against Jefferson, Vince took his foot off the gas too soon."
Do you think Vince has anything to do with how EP plays throughout the course of a single game? The players go out an play. They typically play hard with their foot on the gas. Vince makes a lot of subs. Players try to ignore it and continue to play hard. You must think his substitution are his way of putting his foot on the gas. Wrong. His substitutions are just a Chinese fire drill.
Vince doesn't make the most of EP's talent, but the players play the game and the players lost the game.
Agreed that rankings are bogus, especially this year. It's AV No. 1 and take your pick from there.
I won't defend SW non-conference schedule, which historically has been soft, but when you lose 1-0 to the No. 2 team (on the road), No. 3 is not unreasonable. Scheduling can be a challenge for Minneapolis teams because they are forced to play 12 conference games.
SW might have scheduled MTKA because the coach has worked for Tonka United. Probably makes more sense for them to schedule Classic Lake teams that are in 6AA, like WYZ, ARM, HPK.
1AA: Lakeville North 2AA: Bloomington Jefferson 3AA: Apple Valley 4AA: Stillwater 5AA: Champlin Park 6AA: Robbinsdale Armstrong 7AA: Anoka 8AA: Elk River
Minneapolis Guy - It's not tough to schedule 6AA games. It looks like South has games with Wayzata, Hopkins and Armstrong. Southwest had BSM and Anoka in addition to Central and a tough Tournament last year (where did those tough games go?) It just makes it more challenging to be 16-1 if you have to get up for every game, instead of just four. Looks like he took them off to give them a chance to highlight Edi and to possibley get the #1 seed.
Someone said Hermantown is bad. Look at their schedule. After they beat Armstrong, I've been watching them. They've lost 1 game this fall. They could make the State Tournament for their section. Remember the winner of their section has done well in State (2007 - Marshall "Champion", 2008 - East "Runner-up")
Doesn't make a difference, every other team is playing for second behind Apple Valley.
Again, I'm not going to defend the SW schedule, but who deserves to be No. 3 if not them? Anoka? Their non-conference schedule is a joke. Edina? They lost to Jefferson, which just got drilled by AV.
Face it, all the major conferences -- Lake, Classic Lake, NW Suburban -- are down this year. Nobody has to "get up" for every game because nobody's any good. Playing Roosevelt and Edison is tougher than you think because half the players are 20-year-olds.
tomAss - I am curious - you said that you are a soccer coach, which apparently makes you extremely knowledgable about every other coach - So . . . what age do you coach and what is YOUR record?? YOU must be the winningest coach in MN, not Mr. Scanlon!! We should call the press and correct them because their sources must have been wrong.
tomASS - you don't need to defend your credibility here. those who know you appreciate your candor and real you. you missed the real part of you "family man" and a true soccer fan. man, be yourself and always remember you need to send these people my way. I will correct them. One thing I can say is you have no racist, ill-hearted, or have a bad bone in you. I have known you for over 15 years and you want the best from all of us and do ask us even your best friends to step up. So don't let anyone stop you for challenging status quo. tomass, tell them what nationality were your coillege teammates? I believe you were a minority on the team? so what is their point? keep up my friend...now, the real question is when are you coming to watch A-class soccer? tickets are cheap too! JY
Minneapolis guy - pretty sure they could beat every Minneapolis school that southwest plays. Line up north, Edison, Henry, etc.... By your reasoning, hermantown should have a right at 3 if they were AA. Even they have a better quality win than southwest.
7:51 - Give your Mighty Hawks the credit they deserve, beating the Hibbing/Chisholm cooperative counts as two quality wins. Are you calling Armstrong a quality win? They're 3-5-1 non-conference, including a loss to HERMANTOWN.
Minneapolis is not a power conference, but it's not as easy as you think playing at Henry and Edison, where the fields are 52 yards wide and so heavily crowned that you can't see the opposite sideline. Not exactly conducive to good soccer. But I wouldn't know, I'm not from HERMANTOWN.
741- no 5 in the first half and 5 in the second. AV just got behind in their scoring onslaught by being held scoreless for the first 25 minutes
Actually, and I don't know the HS league rules on this one but the official score might be 1-0 if ruled a forfeit since the Chaska coach pulled the team off the field with time still remaining. Probably not but HS leagues rules always seem to have a twist to them.
IT IS NOT EASY TO SCHEDULE GAMES. Many teams are set in their schedules by contracts between athletic directors, which are often renewed for several years. You can't just call up a team and tell them to meet you at the field. I wish you could.
It is important to schedule your non-conference games with the teams in your section, otherwise they can screw you when the votes come in. And they often do, by supporting the teams in their conference, or teams that played them and beat them. Now, add up your conference games and a few section opponents. Now, do you want to schedule games two or three days in a row?
In the event that you can find a date where both schools are free, they/the coach might not want to play you. Especially if you might be competitive. Funny, isn't it?
Now look at Mpls SW. They are completely SCREWED because they play in the Mpls conference. Do you think their coach wants to play North twice? Or Henry, or Washburn? They play these games instead of going against teams that can push them. Their coach knows it. That's why they lose every October--it's not because of the skill--it's because they don't get pushed to the limit enough during the season.
The last comment is aimed at some idiot talking about SW and the ranking they don't deserve. Go off and shag yourself--you have way too much energy devoted to this. Do you think any of the coaches care about the rankings? Do you think they have time to think about them? That Jaimie Plaisance, coach of Mpls SW gives a @#$% about the ranking? Get a life.
I am a varsity coach. I have never played Mpls SW. I have never voted for the state rankings.
tomASS ha ASS yea thats what you are but beside that even though the dumbass chaska coach stopped the game the score doesnt go to 1-0 it stays at 10-0 where it should be.
O and you would rather of watched a different game BSM vs. Totino Grace in stead of watching your team, your a chaska parent why would you not want to watch your own team play against Apple Valley the number one team in the state just saying..
And Apple Valley is Amazingly good with gifted players through out the field, i dont think anyone can stop them from winning state this year..
I don't think that AV was going for a state record, however, what did it show his team to just quit? The parents were just at nasty saying some pretty mean things to the refs.
The referee had already given Chaska 8 yellow cards and had just given a senior captain a second yellow and he will now miss the senior night game. Neither card deserved.
One Chaska player give a yellow card for giving defensive instructions.
The referee told the coach that he didn't understand English very well but that he thought he heard bad language. The number and usage of yellow cards was excessive.
1021 - watching a 10-0 soccer game versus watching some future players that I will have an opportunity to coach?
watching a 10-0 soccer game versus seeing and catching up with an old dear friend?
Being able to watch them on Tuesday and then again on Thursday and Saturday versus a 10-0 game?
Only really went because I thought a few of you would be kind enough to introduce yourself so we could communicate directly and with clarity. Being an anon doesn't translate well in public I guess.
1021 - some very nice, talented players on AV's team but you were shown to have some tendencies in your game that a team of greater ability than Chaska could very well exploit.
He was faced with a referee that was handing out yellow cards to players like a Costco sampler on Saturday. Why risk additional players being suspended? He could not control the petty disbursement of cards.
I hope flu shots are as readily available as his cards.
1054 - there was one parent being nasty and the rest of the parents asking him to stop.
being up 7,8,9 -0 and a couple AV parents complaining about the calls not going your way......let's not split hairs about fans conduct in a resounding win for AV, ugly play by Chaska, and a referee that let the play get away from him from a game management perspective.
It was a second yellow known as a soft red, So technically you are correct. He had to show the red card. The second yellow was not deserved nor was the first yellow.
What was done so wrong that it required a second yellow card?
And lets compare refereeing credentials to make sure we allow the audience a basis to decide who is fooling whom.
ask the player what he said to the referee after the foul was called on him and you will understand, it was not for the foul itself, but for the words exchanged afterwards
tomass, im sorry but your coming off as a little bit of a sore loser right now. You lost no worse than anyone else. It's the way it has been. I don't want to hear anything about the ref. He wouldn't change the outcome of a game like this. It ugly scores the losing side does have a tendancy to lose control so im sure every card was a deserving card however i wasn't there just going off of past experience. What chaska's coach did is disgusting i hope he gets called in tomorrow morning by the AD and is told to hang it up.
please! no other sport do they hand out penalties for that crap. Ever been to a football game or hockey game. That is game management which is the referee's responsibility and which he failed badly at today. Your down 10-0, the referee is mismanaging the game, your team has been given 7 yellow cards already- 3 of which were given to the wrong players and you think a player should be thrown out for a comment of pure frustration.
Boy you better not plan on playing soccer above this level if you think that is cause for a yellow. Yikes! Geez Golly Gosh Darn Sir. Both you and the referee need to grow some and get thicker skin.
Summer and High School soccer are handled different in my opinion. High school needs to be handled in a more appropriate manner. Trust me your a fool for what you said at the end.
1207 - sore loser? LOL now I am laughing and rolling on the floor. Hang on give me a second to compose myself
A sore loser would not give AV any credit for their fine performance.
Game management is not blaming him for any calls costing Chaska the game. The referees had no influence on the game's outcome. None what so ever. Game Management is vastly different.
Have you ever done referee accessing? I would say 3 of the 8 cards handed were deserved.
Please explain what you find disgusting about the Chaska coach's action? Provide me clarity to your thoughts.
you are welcome to your opinion. Appropriate ? you really want to use that word? The language used in HS basketball, hockey, and football is 10 times worse than soccer yet you see very few kids penalized for it.
Call me a fool for my ending statement, but what part of it is foolish?
tomASS, I think you are mistaking USSF refereeing guidelines with High School guidelines.
Completely different directives, especially in the areas of dissent, and sportsmanship.
The recent communications to referees is that the cards are not given frequently enough, it sounds like this referee may have been appropriately cautioning players, but due to so many not following the directives and just accepting the abuse/poor sportsmanship the cards seemed too frequent.
I disagree with your assessment of the coach too. Coaches who cannot get their players under control after one or two cautions, do not have control they should.
Seems that program, including their parent fans is in need of a refresher course on sportsmanship.
If I get beat, I'll just quit? If I don't like the call, I'll just abuse? How about learning how to adjust.
Minneapolis Guy - Your Hilarious. Henry, Edison, Washburn and North are all a joke. Keep telling yourself that they are tough on small fields. Keep holding onto that joke of a comment.
Your saying that Minnetonka is a better win than Armstrong? What fantasy world are living in? Last I checked, Amrstrong won the Classic Lake this year while winning the head to head against Minnetonka.
Do you just like to just hear yourself talk? I just looked up Armstrong's schedule. Wins against Osseo, Edina (ranked), Wayzata twice, O/T lose against Jefferson (ranked). Yet another team that has another tougher schedule than Southwest. How many ranked teams has Southwest played? Does their schedule come close to South, Wayzata, Hopkins, Armstrong.
9:57PM - You must not be a liked guy. It's easy to schedule H.S. games. You send an email to the coach and you ask for a game, it's that easy. I have no problem getting games against section opponents. I heard the section 6AA guys talking after last years section meeting (I coach a girls team in the fall and know most of the section 6AA coaches) and every one of the better teams coaches in that section commented on the fact that Jamie wouldn't play them. Know what your talking about before you spout off.
Your the reason why the rankings are a joke. 20 people a week vote. You need to do your job and stop walking through your season and vote each week.
And your the idiot if you think that Jamie's not going to mention that fact that he's been ranked all season long in his section meetings.
924 - I know the difference between the two organizations, however; yellow cards should be the last tool of game management for language or sportsmanship no matter what the PC correct HS league says.
There were frustrated players but no players out of control. He was subbing JVers in to get many of these players off the field. He only had so many bench players and 7 starters playing with yellows - 3 of which were given yellows for something another teammate did
The coach did not quit because of the score or the spanking the team was getting. He quit because the game management skills of the referee was directly affecting future personnel available for up coming games.
Learning how to adjust did not work? Now that is funny. Lecture away
Conference Champs Update Classic Lake - Armstrong. Lake Conference - Apple Valley. Minneapolis City - Minneapolis Southwest. North Suburban - Totino-Grace. Northwest Suburban - Anoka and/or Centennial. St. Paul City - St. Paul Como Park and/or St. Paul Central. Suburban East - Woodbury, White Bear Lake, and Stillwater are still in the hunt.
Anoka vs. Elk River - 7:00 PM at Elk River The Tornadoes are close in winning conference if they can beat the Elks. With the loss to Osseo last game, the Elks are out of running for 1st-place. These two teams could possibly meet in the State Tournament (if they can win their respoective sections). I have Tornadoes 3-2 Elks.
Centennial vs. Champlin Park - 5:00 PM at Champlin Park The Cougars are in position to their conference if they can beat the Rebels and hope Anoka to lose. The Rebels are very disappointing lately. I have Cougars 3-1 Rebels.
Minnetonka vs. Edina - 7:00 PM at Edina They're battling for 2nd-place in Classic Lake conference. I have Hornets 2-1 Skippers.
Eden Prairie vs. Lakeville North - 6:00 PM at Lakeville The Eagles are coming on strong lately and probably due to easier schedule. I have Eagles 2-1 Panthers.
tomASS, very defensive comments, I think you are losing credibility when you defend a coach who forfeits a match because he couldn't get his players to settle down verbally and/or adjust to a referee.
9:39 -- I never said Minneapolis teams were tough, only more difficult than you might expect. Anyone who has any experience in the city -- and you obviously don't -- knows that the fields, referees and overall facilities are among the worst anywhere.
When did I say Minnetonka was better than Armstrong? The Classic Lake is very average this year, and Armstrong won it. Big deal. Is this your roundabout way of claiming that Hermantown is as good as Southwest? Please.
Regarding Armstrong's schedule, Osseo is in complete disarray, Edina is average and Wayzata has arguably their worst team in years. And you want to give Armstrong credit for losing to Jefferson, after bashing SW loss to Woodbury? Be consistent.
1028 - I am getting defensive because your statement lacks truth. It was not the case as you want to describe it to be.
There does come a time when referees need to be held accountable for their action.
If I am losing credibility in your mind I am ok with that because the entire blame does not always fall on the players and coach.
How does a kid get a yellow card for providing defensive instructions? How do you control that? How does a kid who barely talks in public because of his shyness and rarely gets any playing time get a yellow card for dissent when he is 20 yards away from the official?
Minneapolis Guy - I'm pretty sure you said this "but it's not as easy as you think playing at Henry and Edison, where the fields are 52 yards wide and so heavily crowned that you can't see the opposite sideline." Henry is bad and Edison is bad. It doesn't matter where you play them... THEIR BAD!!!
I mentioned Jefferson because they also beat South 3-0. You love to compare games... How does that compare?
I mentioned Armstrong because that was a quality win for Hermantown, and you said that it wasn't. So before you said that, I gave you one quality win for Southwest(Minnetonka), now your saying you don't have any quality wins???
I keep hearing that Roosevelt is good. I'll say they might be OK!
I agree that the Classic Lake is down from last year but all you have to do is look at last year when Southwest lost to Wayzata in the first round to tell you have good Southwest truely is.
Your right, Osseo is down this year But even they beat a good Elk River team as well as knocking off two ranked teams. AGAIN, WHAT HAS SOUTHWEST DONE!!!!!! Oh that's right, they lost to Woodbury 0-1. Bring on Apple Valley... Southwest is ready to lose to the top teams....
The Apple Valley vs Chaska game raises some interesting questions? Should high school soccer institute a “mercy rule”? Why are high school soccer refs so sensitive to “language”?
If SW is not No. 3, who is? Where should SW be ranked? They beat South 3-0, just like Jefferson. Eden Prairie probably has as good a claim as anyone to No. 3, at least they scored a goal against AV (without giving up 9 like LVN).
If you want to talk about last year, South beat Classic Lake champ Armstrong 4-0 at their place after splitting with SW. What's your point?
SW is as good as any of the teams chasing AV. Yes, they might lose in the playoffs, just like AV did last year.
the chaska red was not for "foul language" it was for the player telling the ref what he could do to the player, i dont want to go into more detail because its not needed, but it was a personal attack on the ref and any ref in the world would have given a yellow card for saying what he said, completely deserved and justified
1127 - the referee was fluent in Russian, understood and spoke in broken English. He told the coaches that the second yellow was for the foul itself. not dissent, not bad language.
1133 - sure why not
1146 - petty comment, since there was no cheating involved in this matter nor did it influence the game's outcome in the least bit
Minneapolis Guy - I'd have Southwest at maybe #7 or #8. I keep coming back to they haven't beat anyone. The Woodbury loss is the only game that can be evaluated. Central isn't ranked in single A and isn't considered a quality win and Minnetonka will most likely finish up in third place in Classic Lake. Anoka is still undefeated #3, Eagan has 2 loses against good teams (one against AV. #4, White Bear Lake has 2 loses one of which was against Woodbury 1-2 #5 Park of Cottage Grove has 3 loses (1 to Apple Valley) but tied Woodbury #6.
I think Mpls SW has talent but not deep enough to warrant Top 10. I would have top 3 of NWSC over Mpls SW anytime. Armstrong should be in Top 10. They're playing well lately.
tomASS, cheating-no, outcome of the game-no, bad sportsmanship/denigrating the integrity of the game/teaching kids that it is ok to quit-yes (imo). hoping we can agree to disagree.
the second yellow in the chaska game was given for "grabbing the players jersey". Direct from the officials mouth.
That same player had just recieved a yellow for delay (kicking the ball away after a foul). Chaska did not sub on the first yellow, and thus were playing short.
The yellow carded player re-entered the game, went in for a tackle, foul was called and the second yellow was given.
In my opinion: -this player should not have gone back into the game after his first yellow (hind-sight 20-20) -the official was "ready and waiting" for him to re-enter and do something "iffy" to get the second yellow
Overall, poor game management on the officials side. Inexpereince on the coaches side for lacking compusure in a tough game with inexpeienced players who were clearly beaten (both physically and mentally) and a bench that was more than frustrated with the game.
As for ending the game early...I think it was the best thing at the time. It had nothing to do with the score. It had everything to do with controling what you can. Nothing positive was going to be gained in the final two and a half minutes.
Your right Minneapolis guy. Southwest's good lose and wins against bad teams trump those other teams and their quality wins and ties. Hard to argue against fifth graders.
1238 we do agree on the point of the bad sportsmanship/denigrating the integrity of the game, however I believe the referee was far more liable for that then the Chaska coach.
He/she/it had it coming. Last straw was total whiff on my quality Sprockets reference. Suspect arguments are one thing, but I cannot abide lack of imagination and poor sense of humor.
12:08 About WBL loss to Woodbury. Should have been a 1-1 draw. Woodbury's second goal: ball went through the side netting. Also ball was thrown in and never touched. Seen on video replay multiple times. Lame, lame, lame.
So that's how you spend your day while all of us real Americans are working. A web site devoted to making fun of poor fat people. That, also, has a lot to do with high school soccer.
LOL - amazing the lack of humor among the participants of this site. What did I touch a nerve?
How do you know they are poor? Not all are fat
These people went out in public looking this way. No one forced them to. Maybe the site should award them a mirror as a prize for having their picture posted.
We, real Americans, not only work during the day but sometimes we work at night and early morning doing business with India and China.
I think I need to go read my How to Argue with Idiots book again. It has a lot of nice big colorful pictures so it shouldn't take me more than a couple years for me to read
Sounds like a coach (Chaska) who cannot control his players. Bet the AV coach does not have that problem.
The ref is supposed to check and if needed, repair or order the repair of the goal nets. Or does MSHSL have different rules? Fault both teams for allowing game to continue with torn net.
Keep it up tomass...you are one of few contributors that has anything to offer on this site.
I think it's funny how people think SW's #3 ranking isn't deserved though the coaches have voted for it. 2 coaches from each section are required to vote at a MINIMUM and guess what? The City Conf. only has 2AA coaches who can vote so the idea that they are skewing the vote is laughable. There is hardly an effort by the suburban conf.'s to promote the city i.e. SW and South so if anything the #3 ranking shows that coaches believe they are legit. Xman say's they aren't deep? Yeah, well I guess 15-20 premier players in the program isn't deep then...
1020 - very wrong concerning the control of the players by the Chaska coach. If you were not at the game its a poor formation of an opinion.
45 years involved with soccer I have rarely seen 12 yellow cards in a game. If it happened the number of cards were shared by both teams
I have never ever seen one team get all the cards and the other team get none. That is a very bizarre occurrence and has not been a problem for Chaska for all the other games this season.
Also make sure you check out who the asst. Chaska coach is - a very talented, high ranking MN FIFA referee. he was absolutely perplexed and confused by the calls. Doesn't matter if its HS rules - you don't manage a game like this official did. Any of your referees think that it is ok to hand out that number cards, please stay away from my spring summer games, because you will be way over your head. Any referee handing out that many cards is not doing a very good job.
Alright, stop bitching about your son not being as good as the players on AV. All of the parents in the state have to deal with that, but you don't see any of us droning on and complaining about getting dominated by a superteam - you're the only one. The score of the game was easily predicted anyways so I don't see why you're still even attempting to redeem yourself and the team you associate yourself with.
756 - he's trying to infer that my posts are based on the fact that I'm disappointed that my son is not as good as the talent on AV's team and I am envious.
Classic Lake - Armstrong. Lake Conference - Apple Valley. Minneapolis City - Minneapolis Southwest. North Suburban - Totino-Grace. Northwest Suburban - Anoka. ** Update ** St. Paul City - St. Paul Como Park and/or St. Paul Central. Suburban East - Woodbury and/or White Bear Lake. ** Update **
Tomass, as far as I've seen, the AV players are rather humble and all of them are great sports about the game. I mean, it doesn't seem like they get too arrogant or "cocky" with their winnings, but that's only said with watching a few of the games too.
An Edina Dad said that a junior goal scorer showed up one day with cast on his leg. Apparently the pain he had been playing with was a stress fracture.
923 - I would agree about the players and would not attack them - I should have been more specific - some (not all because I know some great people over there when my daughter played on a Valley United premier team and her college soccer roomie was an AV lassie) AV adults and maybe students need a slice of humble.
AV - Ever hear of playing possession and keep-away? Maybe work on your weakness? How about 2-touch keep-way after 5-0? Then we'll see your gifted your players are.
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A coach plays the game by directing his players.
What is the point of playing(coaching) if you are not playing to win? What is a team without coaches? What is a season without goals to achieve?
You can't just disregard another persons style because it does not conform to your style, unless you are always right (if only in your own mind).
Recognize and celebrate success, it is not ever easy. Usually success follows hard work.
Usually success follows hard work.(Unless you are born with a silver spoon up your a$$)
Where that spoon come from?
directing players is one thing Max, but that does not mean they will execute what is asked of them. The coach can not make the decisions that are constantly required while the game is being played. It is not Xbox.
That's where training comes in.
And having the right players on the pitch in the right places.
tomASS You don't give coaches much credits do you? Let's hear what coaches do good for the players.
7:10 Absolutely!
7:11 - Agree and being willing to adjust but the players still have to carry out their roles and responsibilities.
933- as I stated before - when it comes to wins and losses coaches get too much credit and to much blame. Imagine a coach thinking coaches are not the be all and and end all.
AV 7 Prior Lake 0
Jefferson 2 Shakopee 0
AV vs Jefferson on Tuesday night. Can anyone even tie AV?
^No.
If Jags coaches any good, the team can tie or win over AV.
Coaches are not the be-all and end-all but they are the glue that holds a bunch of teenage boys together a few months a year. If they are good , that is.
AV will roll.
Jaguars have offensive players that play defense in the summer. Coach Storlien needs to stack the back, and look for a counter attack. Jags are talented but not even close to as good as apple Valley. Most play very conservative if they are looking for a result.
Jags couldn't even beat Lakeville North and you want to say they can tie or even beat AV???
If you read the comment he/she said they were going to ----> stack the back <----. It's a different system. Thats the only chance anyone has against them.
That's gonna be on ugly soccer game to watch. Yuk!
Here is an article for TomAss to continue his rant about his pet peeve this season: http://coachesaid.com/Article/2009/9/14/Apple-Valleys-Scanlon-500-wins-and-a-lot-of-fun
the Don Quixote of MN youth sports....
So let's talk Mr. Soccer...
the regular season is almost over so who is lookin' good at this point in time?
Rosenthal of APPLE VALLEY.
You cant compare scores of games. You are right Jefferson could not even beat Lakeville North and AV hammered them. So since Jefferson beat EV 2-1 in regulation and AV needed overtime then Jefferson would win. NO that is not the case. AV is the best team in the state. Bloomington Stadium is a mess. It will be a bad game to watch. I have watched Jefferson play three times and they are the best passing team in the state. I dont think they will be able to play that way on the field in Bloomington. If they just boot it like Valley it will be close. If they try to pass, pass, passs they lose by a lot of goals.
905 - thanks Scanlon, I think I just puked in my mouth. AV made adjustments at halftime against Chanhassen? That's funny, one clueless coach making adjustments against another clueless coach. LOL yeah that happened.
I do give Scanlon credit for hiring decent assistants. They should be given more credit for the team's success
Now Guido Kauls knew soccer
1043 - priceless, great comparison
710 - I have no problem with that pick. AV's own little Rooney
tomAss : your jealousy shines through.
Well, AV is now 15-0! I think this speaks for itself. This is a very talented team!
1115 the team is talented
939 - sorry, LOL he has nothing that I would care to have have or be associated with. Unless of course he has some decent cigars in his humidor or rare vodka/tequilla in his freezer.
Regardless, I'm happy to be a soccer coach. He is happy being a coach that is part of the sport.
You are setting a great example, booze and cigars...... what's next?
tomAss - interesting that you are a soccer coach and "he is a coach" . . . hmmmm
721 - Hey Obama smokes and drinks too. It's called real life. I suppose you don't let your kids watch any TV? What's an Amish person doing on a blog?
oh by the way, I did inhale in college...............and now let the brain cell jokes begin
725 - very discerning reading, well done
So, unfortunately for us all, this blog has returned to the tomASS show.
Expert, NOT!
Boring!
Tomass -- Based on your stupidass comments,you are clearly the clueless one.
You guys don't get it. Tom is already an ASS hence TomASS.
Tom is a good guy but his conviction is too strong for group consensus.
10:25 - thank you, someone gets it
I do like to polarize things, well stated
pot has been stirred, fishing limit reached
carry on for now
Can we stop the bashing for a bit and get back to high school soccer predictions and discussions?
Since this is the last week of the regular season, how do you all see the sections wrapping up for State?
I will get things started with mine for now... sorry don't know enough about single A schools to predict:
1AA one of the Lakeville schools
2AA Bloomington Jefferson
3AA Apple Valley
4AA ???
5AA Champlin Park
6AA Southwest
7AA Anoka or Coon Rapids
8AA Elk River
XMan Games to Watch - Tuesday 10/6
Plenty of good games on Tuesday as the season nearing close.
We have tight races in these conferences:
Northwest Suburban - Anoka, Centennial, Elk River
Classic Lake - Armstrong, Edina.
Suburban East - Mounds View, White Bear Lake, Stillwater, Park of Cottage Grove.
* MUST WATCH GAME *
Apple Valley vs. Bloomington Jefferson - 7:00 PM at Bloomington
There shouldn't be any questions who's better team but will they show up and play like one.
If they do then game should be over at half-time. Otherwise watch for an upset in OT.
I have Eagles 3-0 Jaguars.
Lakeville North vs. Lakeville South - 7:00 PM at Lakeville
There's always a battle between these two.
I have Panthers 2-1 Cougars.
Blaine vs. Centennial - 5:00 PM at Centennial High School
Can Bengals get back on winning track after losing to Osseo and Anoka.
Can Centennial come back after uncharistic lost to Spring Lake Park.
Centennial is in a tight race for #1 with Anoka and Elk River.
I have Cougars 2-1 Bengals.
Champlin Park vs. Anoka - 5:00 PM at Anoka
The Tornadoes is in good position to win the NWSC conference.
The Rebels have been disappointing lately.
I have Tornadoes 4-0 Rebels.
Elk River vs. Osseo - 5:00 PM at Osseo, MN
The Elks are in tight race with Anoka and Centennial.
Can they pull a fast one over Orioles to have a showdown with Anoka.
I have Elks 3-1 Orioles.
Robbinsdale Armstrong vs. Minnetonka - 5:00 PM at Robbinsdale Armstrong
Can the Falcons be the Champs of the outgoing Classic Lake conference?
I don't think the Skippers can stop the train.
I have Falcons 2-0 Skippers.
Edina vs. Wayzata - 7:00 PM at Edina
Don't count the Hornets out just yet. They're hoping for the Falcons to lose or tie.
I have Hornets 3-1 Trojans.
Mounds View vs. Woodbury - 5:00 PM at Woodbury
The Royals can win the Suburban East conference if they beat the Mustangs.
I have Royals 3-0 Mustangs.
Roseville vs. Stillwater Area - 7:00 PM at Stillwater
They're fighting for #2 spot in Suburban East conference.
I have Raiders 2-1 Ponies.
Park of Cottage Grove vs. White Bear Lake - 5:00 PM at White Bear Lake
They're fighting for #2 spot in Suburban East conference.
I have Wolfpack 2-1 Bears.
I see Mr. Soccer going to #4 David Rosenthal, SR.
The Jags will beat AV 1 zip because they have the best coach in MN history and he will devise a game plan to shut down AV.
I would love to see it.
AV will not be shut out this year, their attack is too deadly, and they already beat EP by 3 and Eagan by 6, Jefferson is not as good as those teams why does everyone think this is the team that will beat AV, just not going to happen this year
AV to shut down all Jags cheerleaders.
I'm still trying to figure out how Southwest is ranked. They haven't beat anyone. They don't deserve to be ranked anywhere in the top 10. I'd love to see an Armstrong Southwest final in 6AA.
Rumor has it, very few coaches actually vote, that's why the rankings don't always make sense.
I've heard that most coaches don't care about ranking, unless it is the section rankings...
2:49 You are correct. I am a coach. Sunday night is a big night of politics!
The section seed meetings are more important than most players realize. i.e., put up some numbers this soon, this is when your section decides if you are nominated for all-state. Odd, being that many section coaches don't play play each-other. And don't be fooled, the other coaches don't care about you--if your coach doesn't fight for you, you are screwed.
Hey TomASS, You should wear a shirt that identifies you at the Chaska vs. AV game on Wednesday. I am sure that you will have alot of friends in the crowd and on the sidelines.
The HS team last year actually got me a top with tomASS printed across the back bottom of it.
However they did it in all CAPs so doesn't look authentic
It could be a regular town hall meeting
Just look for the drunken old guy rolling out of his car in a cloud of smoke like Cheech and Chong.
I agree with the Mr. Soccer to Rosenthal. Anyone who can score goals like he dors against that competition deserves it.
What about the AV defense. Any holes?
^Probably the opposite 5:33
AV has let in only 5 goals over 15 games with only 35 shots against as well. It seems like they're marking more goals on the scoreboard than their opponents can with shots.
Bijan Jabari leads the back as a returning All-State sweeper as well.
Bijan Jabari is a very talented player and plays his defensive role as well as anyone in the state.
Last year his free kicks were fairly affective
AV's weakness is when they get exposed on the flanks and a team is able to move him from his central position. What is required then is early entry passes to take advantage of the central space he vacated.
It was their weakness last year. Probably not so much this year based on the number of goals given up.
Any early looks on All-State candidates?
from AV it has to be Jabari - SR., D, Rosenthal - SR., F, Obarski JR., F, and Van Beck - JR., G (allowed only 3 goals this season)
You AV parents never miss a chance to hype up your players, do you? It's quite amusing.
When TomASS is showing his angelic side, one could interpret his name to mean ToMASS.
745 - wonder why I never though of it that way? Brilliant
yeah that's the ticket!
Is it ok that I'm not Catholic?
Irony? that last post was # 666 of this thread
Week of October 5, 2009
1. Apple Valley
2. Woodbury
3. Minneapolis Southwest
4. Anoka
5. Eagan
6. Edina
7. Bloomington Jefferson
8. Elk River
9. Eden Prairie
10. White Bear Lake
Others: Park Cottage Grove
Elk River is now ranked.
Someone needs to explain why Southwest is #3. Their best win is against Minnetonka (might end up at .500). Their next best win is against Central (went 0-3-2 against non-conference teams). after that, they took care of two teams that are below .500. What a joke of a schedule they have. I wouldn't even have them in the top 10.
Of all top 10 teams I see a few that shouldn't be there:
Mpls SW. Yes I agree with 9.59
Edina. Got beat up lately.
Jefferson. Overrated.
Teams should be in Top 10:
Lakeville North
Armstrong
Centennial
Mpls SW lost 1-0 to No. 2 Woodbury. Lakeville North lost 9-1 to No. 1 Apple Valley. SW deserves to be ranked, Lakeville North doesn't. Why should the Lake have 5 teams in the top 10 if Valley is killing all of them?
I wouldn't count AV. AV is in its own category. Mpls SW has very weak schedule so their record looks impressive but will falter when comes to section. Watch.
Many games getting canceled or rescheduled tonight. Any word on some of the "games to watch"???
Agreed that AV is a cut above. Minneapolis schools have a tough time scheduling because they are forced to play 12 conference games. SW might indeed falter -- just like AV did last year.
Lakeville South v Lakeville North game moved to Wednesday night due to field conditions at South.
Games on grass fields will get cancelled. Too wet. They may let games on turf go on.
AV vs Jefferson will get cancelled. Otherwise they'll play in water and mud cesspool.
Minneapolis Guy - It's funny that people think a loss is something to hang their hat on. When Southwest lost to Woodbury, they should've dropped out of the rankings. They're ranked because they beat Minnetonka and Central, The rankings are officially a joke. Non-Conference games for Southwest (Hill Murray - losing record, Central 0-3-2 non-conference, Minnehaha - losing record, Minnetonka - 7-5-4). At least South scheduled Jefferson, Armstrong, Wayzata, Hopkins and other strong Non-Conference games. I'm sure they'll be touting that Edi kid as Mr. Soccer. How can anything that Southwest does be taken seriously with that schedule?
Oklahoma is 2-2 in college football and ranked No. 19. Why? Because they lost two games to ranked teams by 1 point. SW's only loss is to No. 2 Woodbury, so they deserve to be ranked.
SW played better non-conference teams than AV, which scheduled powder puffs like Richfield, Hastings and Owatonna. Minnetonka is better than Wayzata and Hopkins (sorry South parent), and St. Paul Central has been decent the past few years.
Edi is good at soccer.
Looks like game on for AV and Jags
Apple Valley 4, Bloomington Jefferson 0
Can I hear some crying from Jefferson cheerleaders please.
XMan was right on.
Robbinsdale Armstrong 0, Minnetonka 0 F/OT
Thoughts on the new school East Ridge? They haven't exactly been blown out in games with not having any Seniors!
Wayzata 1 Edina 0
Eastridge will be good when they get bigger in size.
Edina shouldn't be ranked that high. Can you say overrated!
Wow......Apple Valley is now 16-0!! This is amazing that they have gone the entire season undefeated! It will be interesting to see how this season ends. They must be a solid group of players.
687 - very solid & talented group of players
When TomASS agrees, you know that's gotta be the utmost incredible group of players ever to walk on this earth.
Not as talented as the EP squad from last year who should have walked away with the state title last year
You kidding me TomASS? Last year EP??? How about Jefferson, Osseo, and St. Louis Park? Aren't they better than EP?
Plus good coach at AV compared to EP coach from last year.
All Vince had to do was let the car drive itself last year. He didn't and the players played the game he wanted them to play and it was not their strength.
The talent was there - I know for a fact since a core of 14 players played together at the premier level together for over 4 years and the last year won the league premier title, albeit Bangu (MTA) did not play league play. My estimation that group of players had more talent than this AV squad
Against Jefferson Vince took his foot off the gas too soon. The Osseo match up would have been very interesting. Only weak spot at EP HS last year was at keeper. Harry the keeper from St. Louis Park was on the EP summer team so they missed his high quality keeping. Harry was one of a kind.
841 - the talent and ability of the AV squad plays to the only soccer Scanlon knows.
It's more serendipity than it is coaching for AV this year
I place Vince and Scanlon in the same basket of HS coaches. However Vince is supposedly very intelligent outside the realm of soccer with the advance classes he teaches.
Before any of you AV fans take offense and read too much into that last statement, I can't comment on Scanlon outside the world of soccer.
Everyone stop....
I'm a fan of soccer up in the Western Suburbs. Who cares who's a good coach or not. Apple Valley is 16-0 playing against really tough teams. You can't get there without having a good team and at the very least a great motivator, organizer and person (in other words, a coach.) All this who's better than who, it's just annoying babble. 16-0 speaks for itself. Give the team and the man the credit they deserve.
Yeah we've got AV cheerleaders on here now. They're replacing Jefferson's.
Thanks Minneapolis Guy for proving my point. Oklahoma has at least played against ranked non-conference teams....Miami, BYU and a tough Tulsa team and will be playing 3 top 25 teams in their conference schedule.
You mention Apple Valley. Again, strength of schedule....Quality wins against Eagen, Jefferson, Lakeville North, Lakeville South, Eden Prairie and Park of Cottage Grove.
Minnetonka is third in the Classic Lake currently and might be tied with Wayzata if the beat Hopkins on Thursday and Minnetonka loses.
Don't get me wrong. Southwest is a good team, they just haven't proved that they deserve to be #3 in the rankings and that's their coaches fault for not scheduling tough non-conference schedules.
Tomass what is going on? I usualy value your opinion on this site but the stuff with with scanlon and Vince is getting a little wierd.
PLEASE PLEASE Tomass switch gears to something else.
10:04, it's a crap shoot when scheduling teams...Central was supposed to be good, Woodbury is ranked 2nd and they played them to a 1-0 loss and Cretin was supposed to be good too. Minnehaha...yeah that's not an attempt at scheduling a quality opponent, i'll give you that. As for Lakeville North, no team that is beat 9-1 should be in the top 10. Armstrong lost to Hermantown...and Centennial tied Cretin whom you are arguing is not good.
1007- noted with thanks, you said please so you got it
Cretin, who was supposed to be good, beat Centennial, Armstrong, and Park of CG. They've struggled at times though too.
everyone struggles at times in h.s. soccer. Even AV just snuck by Burnsville 1-0 so if you think anything CAN'T happen just let it play out.
Tomass,
"Against Jefferson, Vince took his foot off the gas too soon."
Do you think Vince has anything to do with how EP plays throughout the course of a single game? The players go out an play. They typically play hard with their foot on the gas. Vince makes a lot of subs. Players try to ignore it and continue to play hard. You must think his substitution are his way of putting his foot on the gas. Wrong. His substitutions are just a Chinese fire drill.
Vince doesn't make the most of EP's talent, but the players play the game and the players lost the game.
-Former EP Player
1131 Subbed his best players out at the wrong time (2-0)
Agreed that rankings are bogus, especially this year. It's AV No. 1 and take your pick from there.
I won't defend SW non-conference schedule, which historically has been soft, but when you lose 1-0 to the No. 2 team (on the road), No. 3 is not unreasonable. Scheduling can be a challenge for Minneapolis teams because they are forced to play 12 conference games.
SW might have scheduled MTKA because the coach has worked for Tonka United. Probably makes more sense for them to schedule Classic Lake teams that are in 6AA, like WYZ, ARM, HPK.
Section Predictions:
1AA: Lakeville North
2AA: Bloomington Jefferson
3AA: Apple Valley
4AA: Stillwater
5AA: Champlin Park
6AA: Robbinsdale Armstrong
7AA: Anoka
8AA: Elk River
mpls soccer guy - absolutely right. After number one it is a roll of the dice.
Even if AV happens to stumble prior to sections they should carry that ranking throughout the year until a champion is crowned
Minneapolis Guy - It's not tough to schedule 6AA games. It looks like South has games with Wayzata, Hopkins and Armstrong. Southwest had BSM and Anoka in addition to Central and a tough Tournament last year (where did those tough games go?) It just makes it more challenging to be 16-1 if you have to get up for every game, instead of just four. Looks like he took them off to give them a chance to highlight Edi and to possibley get the #1 seed.
Someone said Hermantown is bad. Look at their schedule. After they beat Armstrong, I've been watching them. They've lost 1 game this fall. They could make the State Tournament for their section. Remember the winner of their section has done well in State (2007 - Marshall "Champion", 2008 - East "Runner-up")
Doesn't make a difference, every other team is playing for second behind Apple Valley.
TomASS - I want to get a picture with you and Scanlon together after the drubbing Chaska takes today. See you after the game.
Again, I'm not going to defend the SW schedule, but who deserves to be No. 3 if not them? Anoka? Their non-conference schedule is a joke. Edina? They lost to Jefferson, which just got drilled by AV.
Face it, all the major conferences -- Lake, Classic Lake, NW Suburban -- are down this year. Nobody has to "get up" for every game because nobody's any good. Playing Roosevelt and Edison is tougher than you think because half the players are 20-year-olds.
Hermantown? Please tell me you're joking.
Hermantown is good in case you haven't seen them. They beat Proctor 1-0 and Proctor tied Eveleth-Gilbert.
340 I would think that argument would better left to hockey, I like your sarcasm.
Most - Twin Cidiots, like myself, typically do not consider rural high school teams to have or play the same level of talent as the metro teams.
Hermantown might be able to beat Chaska
329 - good thing film is a thing of the past and you have digital so your not wasting your money.
Chaska should and will take a drubbing today. I don't think that point was ever at issue or being contested.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing the AV team play again.
tomAss - I am curious - you said that you are a soccer coach, which apparently makes you extremely knowledgable about every other coach - So . . . what age do you coach and what is YOUR record?? YOU must be the winningest coach in MN, not Mr. Scanlon!! We should call the press and correct them because their sources must have been wrong.
as someone so else beautifully stated earlier- real coaches don't count their victories.
Native of Mn. Been back last 15 years Have also coached in N. California, Cleveland, Indy, Appleton, Portland ME, Moorhead MN
I have coached at all levels, all ages, both genders.
Played my college soccer in ME
Also was a referee for many years while coaching. Ran the Chaska club for many years
If you look past your emotions - the debate was not about number of victories.
tomASS - you don't need to defend your credibility here. those who know you appreciate your candor and real you. you missed the real part of you "family man" and a true soccer fan. man, be yourself and always remember you need to send these people my way. I will correct them. One thing I can say is you have no racist, ill-hearted, or have a bad bone in you. I have known you for over 15 years and you want the best from all of us and do ask us even your best friends to step up. So don't let anyone stop you for challenging status quo. tomass, tell them what nationality were your coillege teammates? I believe you were a minority on the team? so what is their point? keep up my friend...now, the real question is when are you coming to watch A-class soccer? tickets are cheap too!
JY
Alright now we have Tom and Jerry show..haha. You two I know well so I won't say anything.
Apple Valley 10, Chaska 0 F
Did they hold back the horses at half?
Minneapolis guy - pretty sure they could beat every Minneapolis school that southwest plays. Line up north, Edison, Henry, etc.... By your reasoning, hermantown should have a right at 3 if they were AA. Even they have a better quality win than southwest.
7:51 - Give your Mighty Hawks the credit they deserve, beating the Hibbing/Chisholm cooperative counts as two quality wins. Are you calling Armstrong a quality win? They're 3-5-1 non-conference, including a loss to HERMANTOWN.
Minneapolis is not a power conference, but it's not as easy as you think playing at Henry and Edison, where the fields are 52 yards wide and so heavily crowned that you can't see the opposite sideline. Not exactly conducive to good soccer. But I wouldn't know, I'm not from HERMANTOWN.
JY - as you tell your players, your teammates could be those that you count on later in life.
I was going to try to make it to the BSM vs Totino Grace games. Forgot to check my calendar.
It would have been much better viewing than watching a 10-0 game.
Talk to you soon
741- no 5 in the first half and 5 in the second. AV just got behind in their scoring onslaught by being held scoreless for the first 25 minutes
Actually, and I don't know the HS league rules on this one but the official score might be 1-0 if ruled a forfeit since the Chaska coach pulled the team off the field with time still remaining. Probably not but HS leagues rules always seem to have a twist to them.
IT IS NOT EASY TO SCHEDULE GAMES. Many teams are set in their schedules by contracts between athletic directors, which are often renewed for several years. You can't just call up a team and tell them to meet you at the field. I wish you could.
It is important to schedule your non-conference games with the teams in your section, otherwise they can screw you when the votes come in. And they often do, by supporting the teams in their conference, or teams that played them and beat them. Now, add up your conference games and a few section opponents. Now, do you want to schedule games two or three days in a row?
In the event that you can find a date where both schools are free, they/the coach might not want to play you. Especially if you might be competitive. Funny, isn't it?
Now look at Mpls SW. They are completely SCREWED because they play in the Mpls conference. Do you think their coach wants to play North twice? Or Henry, or Washburn? They play these games instead of going against teams that can push them. Their coach knows it. That's why they lose every October--it's not because of the skill--it's because they don't get pushed to the limit enough during the season.
The last comment is aimed at some idiot talking about SW and the ranking they don't deserve. Go off and shag yourself--you have way too much energy devoted to this. Do you think any of the coaches care about the rankings? Do you think they have time to think about them? That Jaimie Plaisance, coach of Mpls SW gives a @#$% about the ranking? Get a life.
I am a varsity coach. I have never played Mpls SW. I have never voted for the state rankings.
Saw you at the game TomASS!
tomASS ha ASS yea thats what you are but beside that even though the dumbass chaska coach stopped the game the score doesnt go to 1-0 it stays at 10-0 where it should be.
O and you would rather of watched a different game BSM vs. Totino Grace in stead of watching your team, your a chaska parent why would you not want to watch your own team play against Apple Valley the number one team in the state just saying..
And Apple Valley is Amazingly good with gifted players through out the field, i dont think anyone can stop them from winning state this year..
anyone got blaine and centennial scores?
Can the Chaska coach be fined? How about the sportmanship of it all.
He felt if Scanlon can't control his own players from running up the scores then he had to take action.
It's no use in playing the game when your side is way undermatched and score is already at 10-0.
What's good is it for score at 20-0. Probably setting state record.
959 - you should have said hello - all the talk about pictures.
I don't think that AV was going for a state record, however, what did it show his team to just quit? The parents were just at nasty saying some pretty mean things to the refs.
he did not stop the game based upon the score.
The referee had already given Chaska 8 yellow cards and had just given a senior captain a second yellow and he will now miss the senior night game. Neither card deserved.
One Chaska player give a yellow card for giving defensive instructions.
The referee told the coach that he didn't understand English very well but that he thought he heard bad language. The number and usage of yellow cards was excessive.
I think that he pulled his team off because he didn't want anyone on his team to get a red and have to sit the next game.
Well in soccer when you're up 5-0 and going for more, you're asking for fistfights. Especially with foreigners. Just FYI.
Lakeville South 2, Lakeville North 1
What's wrong with north?
1021 - watching a 10-0 soccer game versus watching some future players that I will have an opportunity to coach?
watching a 10-0 soccer game versus seeing and catching up with an old dear friend?
Being able to watch them on Tuesday and then again on Thursday and Saturday versus a 10-0 game?
Only really went because I thought a few of you would be kind enough to introduce yourself so we could communicate directly and with clarity. Being an anon doesn't translate well in public I guess.
1021 - some very nice, talented players on AV's team but you were shown to have some tendencies in your game that a team of greater ability than Chaska could very well exploit.
1036 - what was unsportsmanlike of what he did?
He was faced with a referee that was handing out yellow cards to players like a Costco sampler on Saturday. Why risk additional players being suspended? He could not control the petty disbursement of cards.
I hope flu shots are as readily available as his cards.
He controlled what he could control
1054 - there was one parent being nasty and the rest of the parents asking him to stop.
being up 7,8,9 -0 and a couple AV parents complaining about the calls not going your way......let's not split hairs about fans conduct in a resounding win for AV, ugly play by Chaska, and a referee that let the play get away from him from a game management perspective.
believe me the red card was VERY deserved by the chaska player, dont let tomASS fool you
It was a second yellow known as a soft red, So technically you are correct. He had to show the red card. The second yellow was not deserved nor was the first yellow.
What was done so wrong that it required a second yellow card?
And lets compare refereeing credentials to make sure we allow the audience a basis to decide who is fooling whom.
ask the player what he said to the referee after the foul was called on him and you will understand, it was not for the foul itself, but for the words exchanged afterwards
tomass, im sorry but your coming off as a little bit of a sore loser right now. You lost no worse than anyone else. It's the way it has been. I don't want to hear anything about the ref. He wouldn't change the outcome of a game like this. It ugly scores the losing side does have a tendancy to lose control so im sure every card was a deserving card however i wasn't there just going off of past experience. What chaska's coach did is disgusting i hope he gets called in tomorrow morning by the AD and is told to hang it up.
please! no other sport do they hand out penalties for that crap. Ever been to a football game or hockey game. That is game management which is the referee's responsibility and which he failed badly at today. Your down 10-0, the referee is mismanaging the game, your team has been given 7 yellow cards already- 3 of which were given to the wrong players and you think a player should be thrown out for a comment of pure frustration.
Boy you better not plan on playing soccer above this level if you think that is cause for a yellow. Yikes! Geez Golly Gosh Darn Sir. Both you and the referee need to grow some and get thicker skin.
Summer and High School soccer are handled different in my opinion. High school needs to be handled in a more appropriate manner. Trust me your a fool for what you said at the end.
1207 - sore loser? LOL now I am laughing and rolling on the floor. Hang on give me a second to compose myself
A sore loser would not give AV any credit for their fine performance.
Game management is not blaming him for any calls costing Chaska the game. The referees had no influence on the game's outcome. None what so ever. Game Management is vastly different.
Have you ever done referee accessing? I would say 3 of the 8 cards handed were deserved.
Please explain what you find disgusting about the Chaska coach's action? Provide me clarity to your thoughts.
you are welcome to your opinion. Appropriate ?
you really want to use that word? The language used in HS basketball, hockey, and football is 10 times worse than soccer yet you see very few kids penalized for it.
Call me a fool for my ending statement, but what part of it is foolish?
here come the PC police
tomASS, I think you are mistaking USSF refereeing guidelines with High School guidelines.
Completely different directives, especially in the areas of dissent, and sportsmanship.
The recent communications to referees is that the cards are not given frequently enough, it sounds like this referee may have been appropriately cautioning players, but due to so many not following the directives and just accepting the abuse/poor sportsmanship the cards seemed too frequent.
I disagree with your assessment of the coach too. Coaches who cannot get their players under control after one or two cautions, do not have control they should.
Seems that program, including their parent fans is in need of a refresher course on sportsmanship.
If I get beat, I'll just quit? If I don't like the call, I'll just abuse? How about learning how to adjust.
Minneapolis Guy - Your Hilarious. Henry, Edison, Washburn and North are all a joke. Keep telling yourself that they are tough on small fields. Keep holding onto that joke of a comment.
Your saying that Minnetonka is a better win than Armstrong? What fantasy world are living in? Last I checked, Amrstrong won the Classic Lake this year while winning the head to head against Minnetonka.
Do you just like to just hear yourself talk? I just looked up Armstrong's schedule. Wins against Osseo, Edina (ranked), Wayzata twice, O/T lose against Jefferson (ranked). Yet another team that has another tougher schedule than Southwest. How many ranked teams has Southwest played? Does their schedule come close to South, Wayzata, Hopkins, Armstrong.
9:57PM - You must not be a liked guy. It's easy to schedule H.S. games. You send an email to the coach and you ask for a game, it's that easy. I have no problem getting games against section opponents. I heard the section 6AA guys talking after last years section meeting (I coach a girls team in the fall and know most of the section 6AA coaches) and every one of the better teams coaches in that section commented on the fact that Jamie wouldn't play them. Know what your talking about before you spout off.
Your the reason why the rankings are a joke. 20 people a week vote. You need to do your job and stop walking through your season and vote each week.
And your the idiot if you think that Jamie's not going to mention that fact that he's been ranked all season long in his section meetings.
924 - I know the difference between the two organizations, however; yellow cards should be the last tool of game management for language or sportsmanship no matter what the PC correct HS league says.
There were frustrated players but no players out of control. He was subbing JVers in to get many of these players off the field. He only had so many bench players and 7 starters playing with yellows - 3 of which were given yellows for something another teammate did
The coach did not quit because of the score or the spanking the team was getting. He quit because the game management skills of the referee was directly affecting future personnel available for up coming games.
Learning how to adjust did not work? Now that is funny. Lecture away
XMan Games to Watch - Thursday 10/8
Conference Champs Update
Classic Lake - Armstrong.
Lake Conference - Apple Valley.
Minneapolis City - Minneapolis Southwest.
North Suburban - Totino-Grace.
Northwest Suburban - Anoka and/or Centennial.
St. Paul City - St. Paul Como Park and/or St. Paul Central.
Suburban East - Woodbury, White Bear Lake, and Stillwater are still in the hunt.
Anoka vs. Elk River - 7:00 PM at Elk River
The Tornadoes are close in winning conference if they can beat the Elks.
With the loss to Osseo last game, the Elks are out of running for 1st-place.
These two teams could possibly meet in the State Tournament (if they can win their respoective sections).
I have Tornadoes 3-2 Elks.
Centennial vs. Champlin Park - 5:00 PM at Champlin Park
The Cougars are in position to their conference if they can beat the Rebels and hope Anoka to lose.
The Rebels are very disappointing lately.
I have Cougars 3-1 Rebels.
Minnetonka vs. Edina - 7:00 PM at Edina
They're battling for 2nd-place in Classic Lake conference.
I have Hornets 2-1 Skippers.
Eden Prairie vs. Lakeville North - 6:00 PM at Lakeville
The Eagles are coming on strong lately and probably due to easier schedule.
I have Eagles 2-1 Panthers.
tomASS, very defensive comments, I think you are losing credibility when you defend a coach who forfeits a match because he couldn't get his players to settle down verbally and/or adjust to a referee.
9:39 -- I never said Minneapolis teams were tough, only more difficult than you might expect. Anyone who has any experience in the city -- and you obviously don't -- knows that the fields, referees and overall facilities are among the worst anywhere.
When did I say Minnetonka was better than Armstrong? The Classic Lake is very average this year, and Armstrong won it. Big deal. Is this your roundabout way of claiming that Hermantown is as good as Southwest? Please.
Regarding Armstrong's schedule, Osseo is in complete disarray, Edina is average and Wayzata has arguably their worst team in years. And you want to give Armstrong credit for losing to Jefferson, after bashing SW loss to Woodbury? Be consistent.
update - no embellishment - official game report 12 yellow cards on Chaska. I guess I underestimated the referee's mismanagement of players conduct.
1028 - I am getting defensive because your statement lacks truth. It was not the case as you want to describe it to be.
There does come a time when referees need to be held accountable for their action.
If I am losing credibility in your mind I am ok with that because the entire blame does not always fall on the players and coach.
How does a kid get a yellow card for providing defensive instructions? How do you control that? How does a kid who barely talks in public because of his shyness and rarely gets any playing time get a yellow card for dissent when he is 20 yards away from the official?
Minneapolis Guy - I'm pretty sure you said this "but it's not as easy as you think playing at Henry and Edison, where the fields are 52 yards wide and so heavily crowned that you can't see the opposite sideline." Henry is bad and Edison is bad. It doesn't matter where you play them... THEIR BAD!!!
I mentioned Jefferson because they also beat South 3-0. You love to compare games... How does that compare?
I mentioned Armstrong because that was a quality win for Hermantown, and you said that it wasn't. So before you said that, I gave you one quality win for Southwest(Minnetonka), now your saying you don't have any quality wins???
I keep hearing that Roosevelt is good. I'll say they might be OK!
I agree that the Classic Lake is down from last year but all you have to do is look at last year when Southwest lost to Wayzata in the first round to tell you have good Southwest truely is.
Your right, Osseo is down this year But even they beat a good Elk River team as well as knocking off two ranked teams. AGAIN, WHAT HAS SOUTHWEST DONE!!!!!! Oh that's right, they lost to Woodbury 0-1. Bring on Apple Valley... Southwest is ready to lose to the top teams....
The Apple Valley vs Chaska game raises some interesting questions?
Should high school soccer institute a “mercy rule”?
Why are high school soccer refs so sensitive to “language”?
11:01 - I say no to mercy rules - too PC correct. and participants should be able to police themselves.
language - because the HS league tells them to is what an earlier poster indicated.
It starts from the top MSHSL and demand the Refs to enforce the rule.
"Why are high school soccer refs so sensitive to “language”?"
If SW is not No. 3, who is? Where should SW be ranked? They beat South 3-0, just like Jefferson. Eden Prairie probably has as good a claim as anyone to No. 3, at least they scored a goal against AV (without giving up 9 like LVN).
If you want to talk about last year, South beat Classic Lake champ Armstrong 4-0 at their place after splitting with SW. What's your point?
SW is as good as any of the teams chasing AV. Yes, they might lose in the playoffs, just like AV did last year.
Xman what do you think of Mpls SW?
the chaska red was not for "foul language" it was for the player telling the ref what he could do to the player, i dont want to go into more detail because its not needed, but it was a personal attack on the ref and any ref in the world would have given a yellow card for saying what he said, completely deserved and justified
Should Chaska be relegated to the Hackers league?
if it had been a MTA team playing a MRL or State Cup game instead of the Chaska team, imo, tomASS would have blasted away......
1127 - the referee was fluent in Russian, understood and spoke in broken English. He told the coaches that the second yellow was for the foul itself. not dissent, not bad language.
1133 - sure why not
1146 - petty comment, since there was no cheating involved in this matter nor did it influence the game's outcome in the least bit
Most high school and college refs do not call enough fouls. They let the game get out of hand and then somebody gets hurt.
Minneapolis Guy - I'd have Southwest at maybe #7 or #8. I keep coming back to they haven't beat anyone. The Woodbury loss is the only game that can be evaluated. Central isn't ranked in single A and isn't considered a quality win and Minnetonka will most likely finish up in third place in Classic Lake. Anoka is still undefeated #3, Eagan has 2 loses against good teams (one against AV. #4, White Bear Lake has 2 loses one of which was against Woodbury 1-2 #5 Park of Cottage Grove has 3 loses (1 to Apple Valley) but tied Woodbury #6.
Southwest at #7.
I think Mpls SW has talent but not deep enough to warrant Top 10. I would have top 3 of NWSC over Mpls SW anytime. Armstrong should be in Top 10. They're playing well lately.
No. 3 Anoka tied Spring Lake Park and first-year East Ridge.
No. 4 Eagan tied EP, tough to place them too many spots ahead.
I don't think the Suburban East deserves 3 of the top 6 spots.
Most teams have 1 or 2 decent non-conference opponents and a few clunkers like Owatonna, Minnehaha and Hermantown.
Your arguments grow tiresome. Now is the time when we dance.
tomASS, cheating-no, outcome of the game-no, bad sportsmanship/denigrating the integrity of the game/teaching kids that it is ok to quit-yes (imo). hoping we can agree to disagree.
the second yellow in the chaska game was given for "grabbing the players jersey". Direct from the officials mouth.
That same player had just recieved a yellow for delay (kicking the ball away after a foul). Chaska did not sub on the first yellow, and thus were playing short.
The yellow carded player re-entered the game, went in for a tackle, foul was called and the second yellow was given.
In my opinion:
-this player should not have gone back into the game after his first yellow (hind-sight 20-20)
-the official was "ready and waiting" for him to re-enter and do something "iffy" to get the second yellow
Overall, poor game management on the officials side. Inexpereince on the coaches side for lacking compusure in a tough game with inexpeienced players who were clearly beaten (both physically and mentally) and a bench that was more than frustrated with the game.
As for ending the game early...I think it was the best thing at the time. It had nothing to do with the score. It had everything to do with controling what you can. Nothing positive was going to be gained in the final two and a half minutes.
from the sidelines
Your right Minneapolis guy. Southwest's good lose and wins against bad teams trump those other teams and their quality wins and ties. Hard to argue against fifth graders.
1238 we do agree on the point of the bad sportsmanship/denigrating the integrity of the game, however I believe the referee was far more liable for that then the Chaska coach.
12:42 -- Here's a fifth-grade lesson for you:
You are = you're, not your
Southwest's good lose = losses
Hope you make it to sixth grade next year.
Instead of a mercy rule - do what hockey does. 6 goal margin in 3rd period it becomes running time.
High school could implement the same 6 goals difference in the second half of games. Let the clock run except for injuries.
Mg. - I stand corrected....Great talking at you.... Good stuff. Try typing on an iPhone. You take care.
mpls soccer guy - this blog does not have an edit feature in which to make those corrections if you hit the enter button too soon.
The post you refer to, that does not appear to be the problem, but I know I have made those simple typos.
You're right though. But remember English is a tough language for our Wal-Mart customers
and iphone customers
He/she/it had it coming. Last straw was total whiff on my quality Sprockets reference. Suspect arguments are one thing, but I cannot abide lack of imagination and poor sense of humor.
12:08 About WBL loss to Woodbury. Should have been a 1-1 draw. Woodbury's second goal: ball went through the side netting. Also ball was thrown in and never touched. Seen on video replay multiple times. Lame, lame, lame.
Fix your whole in the netting if that's trus and such a problem. Seems like an easy solution to avoid claims like this.
I shop for some things at Wal-Mart and have no problem with the english language. What's your point?
240 - maybe we can find a picture of you shopping at Wally World at this site
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
So that's how you spend your day while all of us real Americans are working. A web site devoted to making fun of poor fat people.
That, also, has a lot to do with high school soccer.
LOL - amazing the lack of humor among the participants of this site. What did I touch a nerve?
How do you know they are poor?
Not all are fat
These people went out in public looking this way. No one forced them to. Maybe the site should award them a mirror as a prize for having their picture posted.
We, real Americans, not only work during the day but sometimes we work at night and early morning doing business with India and China.
I think I need to go read my How to Argue with Idiots book again. It has a lot of nice big colorful pictures so it shouldn't take me more than a couple years for me to read
Sounds like a coach (Chaska) who cannot control his players. Bet the AV coach does not have that problem.
The ref is supposed to check and if needed, repair or order the repair of the goal nets. Or does MSHSL have different rules? Fault both teams for allowing game to continue with torn net.
Keep it up tomass...you are one of few contributors that has anything to offer on this site.
I think it's funny how people think SW's #3 ranking isn't deserved though the coaches have voted for it. 2 coaches from each section are required to vote at a MINIMUM and guess what? The City Conf. only has 2AA coaches who can vote so the idea that they are skewing the vote is laughable. There is hardly an effort by the suburban conf.'s to promote the city i.e. SW and South so if anything the #3 ranking shows that coaches believe they are legit. Xman say's they aren't deep? Yeah, well I guess 15-20 premier players in the program isn't deep then...
AV very well might be champs when all said in done; probably a 50/50 chance vs. the field which is good, but is far from a guarantee.
Oh, and rankings mean nothing, that's why they play it out. There are a couple teams that could be big time sleepers.
AV ranked 15th in the nation...for what it's worth...
http://www.nscaa.com/hsRes.php?it=1932
Mpls SW may survive the first round in section but I don't see them in the section finals. They'll get kicked out in second round.
1024 - I read Green Eggs and Ham instead
1020 - very wrong concerning the control of the players by the Chaska coach. If you were not at the game its a poor formation of an opinion.
45 years involved with soccer I have rarely seen 12 yellow cards in a game. If it happened the number of cards were shared by both teams
I have never ever seen one team get all the cards and the other team get none. That is a very bizarre occurrence and has not been a problem for Chaska for all the other games this season.
Also make sure you check out who the asst. Chaska coach is - a very talented, high ranking MN FIFA referee. he was absolutely perplexed and confused by the calls. Doesn't matter if its HS rules - you don't manage a game like this official did. Any of your referees think that it is ok to hand out that number cards, please stay away from my spring summer games, because you will be way over your head. Any referee handing out that many cards is not doing a very good job.
1034 - nice seeing a MN team on a national list, but remember it is a Fall poll. Many of the top soccer states do not play in the fall.
Also, in many of the top soccer states, club soccer is the soccer of choice over hs ball.
Alright, stop bitching about your son not being as good as the players on AV. All of the parents in the state have to deal with that, but you don't see any of us droning on and complaining about getting dominated by a superteam - you're the only one. The score of the game was easily predicted anyways so I don't see why you're still even attempting to redeem yourself and the team you associate yourself with.
11:28 Huh? Where did that come from?
I don't see anyone bitching how how their sons are not as good as AV players.
Easy psycho.
756 - he's trying to infer that my posts are based on the fact that I'm disappointed that my son is not as good as the talent on AV's team and I am envious.
I guess humbleness is not part of AV make-up
Does anyone know what's going on with Edina?
They lost last night to Minnetonka. That's 3 in a row. Ain't looking good for section ranking and play.
What's going on?
Conference Champs Update 10/9
Classic Lake - Armstrong.
Lake Conference - Apple Valley.
Minneapolis City - Minneapolis Southwest.
North Suburban - Totino-Grace.
Northwest Suburban - Anoka. ** Update **
St. Paul City - St. Paul Como Park and/or St. Paul Central.
Suburban East - Woodbury and/or White Bear Lake. ** Update **
Tomass, as far as I've seen, the AV players are rather humble and all of them are great sports about the game. I mean, it doesn't seem like they get too arrogant or "cocky" with their winnings, but that's only said with watching a few of the games too.
An Edina Dad said that a junior goal scorer showed up one day with cast on his leg. Apparently the pain he had been playing with was a stress fracture.
9:29 That could explain their struggling. Thanks.
923 - I would agree about the players and would not attack them - I should have been more specific - some (not all because I know some great people over there when my daughter played on a Valley United premier team and her college soccer roomie was an AV lassie) AV adults and maybe students need a slice of humble.
It would be nice if we could start a new thread with the section rankings coming out - It's a new season boys - play hard!
Section 6AA. Which team should be #1: Mpls SW or Armstrong?
I would say Armstrong since they have a tougher schedule.
probably depends on how Armstrong does vs. South tomorrow.
Way to go AV Eagles!! 18-0 that is an impressive record for your season.
Did I read it correctly? AV beat Chaska 10-0?
I'd go after their knees after 8-0.
AV - Ever hear of playing possession and keep-away? Maybe work on your weakness? How about 2-touch keep-way after 5-0? Then we'll see your gifted your players are.
True about Edina kid (leading scorer). Have had 3-4 starters out the last 3 or 4 games. Makes a difference.
So Tomass the fashion police says that people who frequent Walmart don't pass his PC appearance rules?
AV's team is not typical AVHS soccer they can control the ball this year.
Don't forget Osseo won last year and you heard squats from the parents on how good they were. Keep it down a little there.
1235 - do you ever smile? Myself, I love to laugh
I'm the least politically correct one on this site.
Oh and did you hear - You no longer have to do squat to be eligible for the Nobel Peace Prize?
Gee Ghandi never won it, nor did Reagan who single-handily defeated communism without firing a shot
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