Not saying she isn't a major threat. If she is content with being a high scorer in HS soccer, and maybe playing on a limited scholarship to a midwest D-1 school, that's fine. If she wants to achieve national recognition and reach her full potential, then another club is mandatory...just saying.
She will have NO problem ending up on a high level D-1 school if that is what she decides she wants. She is scoring more than the other girls (that you imagine are better) against the same competition.
9:57- If she played in single A or in the leagues the other players were in she most likely would have lead the state in scoring. Regardless, she is a top level player.
nfld v lvs interesting game. lvs dominates possession but nfld bunkers and sprung their forward twice, she is quite the player. lvs will regret several missed chances
6:30 - NFLD is always dirty - that's all they got. They are taught that by their coach. Sad that they take pride in playing dirty, as represented by 6:33. Rest assured that eventually the refs will put them in their place. But sometimes you end up with a ref that is influenced by their coach (who is a NCAA ref) and decides to that the saftey of players and the integrity of the game is not more important then being liked by a NCAA ref.
who is the fool touting playing dirty? you should be ashamed! we played nfld earlier in the year and I was dumbstruck at how dirty they played. physical one thing but they were DIRTY. LVN will crush them anyway
1AA Northfield (3) vs. LN (1) 2AA Edina (3) vs. Burnsville (1) 3AA Eagan (1) vs. Eastview (2) 4AA Mahto (1) vs. Woodbury (2) 5AA Centennial (1) vs. MV (2) 6AA Hopkins (3) vs. Wayzata (1) 7AA Blaine (1) vs. Duluth East (2) 8AA Anoka (1) vs. SMA (2)
nfld over LVS was a surprise. I took in some of both LVN and LVS games, thatwould have been a great final. If LVN stops nfld forward they have nothing else but their dirty play, which is a real thing andshoudl be stopped. I saw a LVS mid leave the game not to return after several dangerous and late tackels. It was amazing no one was seriously hurt. LVN will win big tuesday
North will stop the Northfield forward. She is a REV player and the North coach is a REV coach he has seen her play for years and knows how to contend her, also North has the center defenders to do it.
Face to face already this season: 1AA LN beat Northfield 2-0 2AA Burnsville beat Edina 2-0 3AA Eagan over Eastview 1-0 4AA Mahto over Woodbury 1-0 5AA Centennial MV tie 6AA Wayzata over Hopkins 3-0 7AA Blaine over Duluth East 1-0 8AA Anoka over SMA 2-1
Timid, based on this, I think you are spot on with your first two picks, brave with the second two, possible with the 5th, unlikely with number 6, and hopeful with 7 and 8. My opinion is that Section 4 or 6 will take it all. Even if Centennial advances, their top scorer will not be playing in the first round of the state tournament.
1AA LVN 4-0 2AA Edina 2-1 OT 3AA Eagan 2-0 4AA Mahtomedi 1-0 OT 5AA Centennial 1-0 SO (less than 31 shooters) 6AA Hopkins 1-0 SO 7AA Duluth East 3-2 8AA STMA 2-0
Let’s take a peek at the QRF differential for our section finalists as of last week’s QRF rankings (10/14), should give us a pretty good sense of how tight these games will be: 1AA- LVN (QRF #2) vs. Northfield (QRF #20): diff +18 2AA- Burnsville (QRF #5) vs. Edina (QRF #11): diff +6 3AA- Eagan (QRF #1) vs. Eastview (QRF #6): diff +5 4AA - Mahtomedi (QRF #3) vs. Woodbury (QRF #4): diff +1 5AA- Centennial (QRF #10) vs. Mounds View (QRF #14): diff +4 6AA - Wayzata (QRF #7) vs. Hopkins (QRF #34): diff +27 7AA - Blaine (QRF #29) vs. Duluth East (QRF #25): diff -4 8AA - Anoka (QRF #30) vs. St. Michael (QRF #19): diff -11
The QRF gods are heavily favoring LVN and Wayzata, predicting seeding upsets by Duluth East and St. Michael, and calling the rest of the games very close. Anything can happen, especially if we end up getting the snow/rain/wind on Tuesday, but I’m sticking with my original picks from last week (revising my 1AA pick w/ LVS out now): 1AA: LVN 2AA: Edina 3AA: Eagan 4AA: Woodbury 5AA: Mounds View 6AA: Wayzata 7AA: Duluth East 8AA: Anoka
The Burnsville/Edina & Mahtomedi/Woodbury matches should be great games, all four teams seem to be firing on all cylinders.
Let’s look forward and start thinking about the implications on state seeding. Historically all four seeded teams make it to the semi’s, with occasionally one non-seeded team making it that far in state; no non-seeded teams making it to the state championship game in recent history. So, obviously getting seeded in state is very important. Examine a couple of scenarios: If you assume the current section seeding and/or QRF’s win, the state seeded teams would likely be: #1 LVN (1AA) #2 Mahtomedi (4AA) #3 Eagan (3AA) #4 Burnsville (2AA) If you were to assume upset wins for all of the teams with a QRF differential <= +5 (the upset winners would be Eastview, Woodbury, Mounds View, Duluth East and St. Michael), the section seeding assignments really don’t change that much and likely still go to the 1AA, 2AA, 3AA and 4AA: #1 LVN (1AA) #2 Woodbury (4AA) #3 Burnsville (2AA) #4 Eastview (3AA ) OR 6AA Wayzata (6AA) -- the poll and QRF contradict right now State seeding seems pretty well defined, with possibly the #4 still up for grabs. Wayzata would get some help if Edina were to upset Burnsville. I think Centennial would need Hopkins and Edina to both win, but that still might not be enough given Edina’s tougher road in, so they also may need a LVN upset.
But, let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. Will be fun to see how things unfold on Tues.
10/16/11 2:30 PM get your facts straight before you just start making stuff up.
your statement. "North coach is a REV coach" is true - but he has only been with the Rev for one season. He has not watched her for years at the REV. But I would agree that he as will figure out how to stop a single dimensional team. (well one good striker and a chippy team - so maybe two dimensions - but a good ref will take the cheap stuff off the table).
It doesn't take years to scout a team. It takes one game if you know what you are looking for; he does.
Have seen both mahtomedi and Lakeville North play and Mahtomedi is the better team from top to bottom. Lakeville North has 4 strong players while Mahtomedi has more than that and are faster and more aggressive. Also Mahtomedi has more talent from top to bottom. After their top four players Lakeville north is below average at best IMHO. If they play Mahtomedi by at least 2.
bold statement 1:03...did mahtomedi win their section championship game? Good thing your not the coach or player, looking beyond a talented Woodbury team is dangerous. They might lose, then hows your assesment of talent?
First of all 2:32 / 2:34, I didn't know this was going to be graded by someone as intelligent as you obviously are. I feel bad for your third grader if you are the one helping them with spelling. I predict third grade again next year unless maybe your spouse is the one helping your kid with homework. Please don't think horible (I mean HORRIBLE) things about my intelligence as i am (I mean I ) a college graduate. As far as my assesment ( I mean ASSESSMENT) of soccer talent and ability goes I will put both up against the very best in Minnesota.
2:17 you are correct about Woodbury. That will be a good game since both are better than LN and whoever wins that game will win it all IMHO. I'm just wondering if you are the same poster as 232 and 234 since you both spelled assesment wrong.
Best games: 1. Eagan v Eastview, 2. Mahtomedi v Woodbury, 3. Burnsville v Edina. The others are already settled IMO (LVN, Cent, Way, Blaine, St. Michael)
4:10 PM Have yet to see anywhere published the All Conference lists. Coaches usually tell their players at their team banquets.
The All State Banquet is this Sunday. 12:30 for Class A. 6:00 PM for Class AA. They will post the winners on their website at MSHSSCA. There is a link on the side of this blog --------- >
So based on 4:11, there is no need for the other 14 teams to continue? Maybe the Section 4 game should be played in the dome, and just hand the winner of this game the state championship.
10/17/11 2:32 PM - If I were you, I would NOT talk about horrible grammar! LOL! You typed 3 sentences and had three misspellings! Now, let’s talk about “who didn’t graduate!”
Stillwater graduated all but three starters from their 3d place State team last year. The three that remained are studs but weren't enough for a tough Suburban East.
Congratulations to our AA section champions! 1AA: Lakeville North 2AA: Burnsville 3AA: Eastview 4AA: Woodbury 5AA: Centennial 6AA: Wayzata 7AA: Blaine 8AA: Anoka
All of these girls should be very proud of their accomplishments, tough to win any of these sections this year.
I’ll have to admit I went 3/10 from my original picks, but that was like 200 posts ago, so I’m sure no one will call me on it.
State seeding will be interesting, here is my guess at who will get the seeds: #1 Lakeville North #2 Woodbury #3 Burnsville #4 Wayzata The #4 seed is a tough call, Wayzata’s and Eastview’s records are very similar, but Wayzata with the +2 edge in total wins. On per team QRF, Wayzata had the slightly tougher early rounds, but Eastview obviously had the tougher task in their final. Last QRF leans slightly to the Trojans. Last poll had Wayzata above Eastview. Very close, but I suspect Wayzata will get it. Should set the stage for an interesting state tourney.
My team is out of it now, but good luck to all in state!
3 schools from the Northwest Suburban conference and 3 schools from the South Suburban conference. 1 from the Suburban East and 1 from the Lake conference.
Seeding will be interesting. Centennial and Eastview can both make a pretty strong case for being seeded. Both of them beat Burnsville and have fewer losses than Wayzata or Woodbury. Burnsville 0-3 against the remaining eight teams while Eastview is 2-0-1 and Centennial is 2-0. It will depend on how they weigh head-to-head vs full body of work for the season and strength of schedule.
The only disagrement would be the discrepancy between Eastview and Centennial poll versus QRF, but moot point since they are outside of the top 4.
Can't argue that Centennial's record of 16-1-2 should prevail, given their much easier regular season play compared to Eastview and Wayzata. Centennial's win over Burnsville was at the begining of season, don't think it will factor in at all now.
All of the ssc conference teams should be seeded as it was by far the best conference in the state. If you speard them even further you could have had 5 teams in state.
Centennial and Wayzata played no one. The Lake was WAYYYYYY down this year and Tony doesn't like to schedule tough non-conference. He has been doing it for years,play some cup cakes so you have a nice record come seeding time. Teams should be rewarded for strength of schedule and the willingness to play tough competition.
Centennial beat 3 teams that made it to state (Burnsville, Anoka, and Blaine). Their non-conference games were against Burnsville and Hopkins - both strong teams, and Centennial prevailed in both. Not sure what is behind the comment, 10:13, but it if Centennial has nothing, what is that to say about those other teams?
Centennials star is not "traveling" with the National Team. She has been invited to a camp in Carson California to work with the Current National U17 and U18 teams along with 29 other players. Some of the current squad on both teams will become age ineligible and April Heinrichs is looking for new talent. Congratulations to the CHS / MTA superstar on this honor, but if the US is looking for right footed only players with speed who don't like contact God help our Future National Teams. Imagine Mia Ham with no left foot and an aversion to being touched. She'd just be a Ham
Completely agree 1135, Proud to know JR and happy to see her doing well at something she worked so hard to accomplish, 1127....You are a sorry excuse for an adult.
checked out wayzata's non-conference. was surprised to see that the little sisters of the poor was not on it, what a joke! Rogers tournament and Holy Family? No way wayzate should be a seed they beat no one and their section was way down this year.
If you are willing to boast of your kids accomplishments and even stretch the truth to suit your egos, or to make your little loved ones feel great, then you ought to be strong enough to hear the assessments and critiques and opinions of others, especially when you post your accomplishments on a public blog. At home tell your kid their the greatest but when you stand on a soap box and announce it to the world expect someone to say something that you may not like.
I think Eastview is going to end up winning this as they have the confidence and a victory over Bville and a tie with LVN in their pocket. Whoever they draw if not seeded will either be familiar for them or someone they should handle. That conference is tough and I would expect the winner to come from there. (No I am not a Dakota Rev parent either)
We regularly hear pissy remarks about Tony's coaching, the team's easy schedule, etc, (such as 12:15 pm) and yet every year (at least recently) his teams make it to the state tournament and even the finals. Isn't it the goal of every high school team to make it to state?
Correction:We regularly hear pissy remarks about Tony's coaching, the team's easy schedule, etc, (such as 12:17 pm) and yet every year (at least recently) his teams make it to the state tournament and even the finals. Isn't it the goal of every high school team to make it to state?
10/19/2011 post at 11:27 & 12:19 - you are pathetic. What exactly have you done of any significance in your meaningless existence on this earth besides berate a young woman?
I think the person who wrote that is probably a Centennial parent and is angry that their star player is leaving during the opening round of State. The whole team worked hard to get there, so when your top player chooses herself over the whole team, it's got to sting a little.
I believe an earlier post says that JR is not traveling with National team. I don't know if that's true or not. I'm not from Cent. or MTA, but if it was my daughter, I would hope she picks the National team. JR will get so many more opportunites by playing at the national level than she would by playing high school soccer. So whatever she's doing, good for her!
Okay, enough. It is common knowledge that I read and contribute to this blog, hopefully always in a positive manner, so I may as well identify myself. I have been erroneously accused on multiple occasions for touting my daughter, but the personal attacks on her this time cross the line. First of all, I don't see any claims that she was traveling with the national team. If there is such a claim, it certainly did not come from me. Secondly, 11:27/12:19, thank you. It is people like you who have pushed my daughter to get to where she is. There have been multiple times when someone has told her "you can't" or "you never will," to which she has replied, "well, we will just see about that." You give her the drive to take it to the next level and prove it wrong. Third, nobody really cares what some pasty, doughy old man in Minnesota has to say about her skills. We prefer to listen to Coach Radcliff, Smith, etc. And finally, and probably most disturbing, is that she did NOT put herself before her team. Weeks ago, when this opportunity presented itself, she talked to her team. The TEAM agreed that they wanted her to go to camp. They simply asked that she help them to get to State, which was their goal. What would have been selfish would have been for her to sit out after being fairly significantly injured. It would have been in her best interest to sit out of the section games to be full strength for camp, but she refused to do so. So, cast your stones and write your uneducated posts, but if you truly knew my daughter, as her coaches, MTA and Centennial parents do, you would be ashamed of yourself. If I am guilty of something, it is this: being proud of my child, and demanding that she be given the opportunities that I thought she deserved, despite financial and other obstacles that we have overcome. Good luck to all the teams, and thank you to all my soccer friends that continue to support my daughter.
7:21pm. People get jealous and so what and good for you for making a statement. I love your comment "pasty, doughy old man in Minnesota!" I had the opportunity to watch your daughter score a couple goals against my daughter's HS team. My daughter also plays for MTA, but younger. You should be proud of your daughter! I'm proud that she's from MTA and MN. Best of luck to her in the future!
great post JR's mom! I had the pleasure of watching JR play at State Cup, and ECNL nationals in Denver and Regionals in Appleton. She was always one of the top players on the field against THE BEST girls in the region AND the Nation. She worked hard and showed tremendous effort and skills. Keep in mind the 94 ECNL MTA U17's beat the eventual National Champion (NSA and the runner up (SLSG) at Regions. Both teams qualified through the National League.
JR Mom: certainly appreciate your honesty and candor. I also recognize the passion in your voice for your daughter and it is admirable. If all parents supported their kids like you the world would be a better place. That said, with all sincerity, having witnessed your daughter over the past few years from a competitive standpoint, there is certainly no lack of passion and effort and talent. But in all candor, in every game without fail many players have complained about her cheap fouls, over aggressive play and 'insulting comments' equally as to her immense talent. When things don't go her way she often turns aggressive and 'cheap' and she should be above that level of discourse. Hopefully as she matures past this age she will clean up that part of her game because it clear she is a huge talent and potentially a great ambassador for the state of mn. Not everything about a player is their physical gifts and even their work rate, results and leadership ON a team (it is clear her TEAMMATES vouch for her). Sometimes it is the way they handle themselves towards their competition, the fairness and respect for the rules of the game and their attitude and reaction in the face of adversity. I am not preaching but having seen many great players over the years progress from HS to college and beyond, to be special, it takes much more than physical talent. I realize you didn't ask for my input so ignore it if you choose but you seem to be someone that cares about the future of your daughter and hopefully my tone shows I am rooting for her success. Best of luck to her in her pursuits she should have all MN soccer fans hoping for her success.
10/19/11 11:10 PM - I am hoping you are not directing that comment towards a young lady who is possibly doing something good for soccer, MN and most importantly, herself. If you are, why don't you tell us who the little soccer player is in your family and we will critique them.
I am still lost at why people are bringing up kids names and initials in this blog, especially in bad ways.
It is one thing if a parent brings their up something about their own child, which you have no way to tell, but it is another thing when other's bring their names up.
Best of luck to the young lady.
All you people out there who have young soccer players, here is what you have to look forward to when they get older and their skills increase - stupid people trying to tear them down!
Oh, I thought I came to a soccer blog where fans were discussing MN high school soccer. My bad. I just now realized I stepped back into junior high with both the behavior and the grammar lessons.
wayzata fan. it is not too difficult to make state every year when you play in a\the weakest metro section (for years it was Tony and the mpls schools and only 6 teams) And playing weak opponents to get a good ranking is pathetic. The coaches should punish him by not seeding him and then see how he does.
Out of curiosity, what is the logic of only seeding 4 teams instead of 8? Assuming Lakeville is number 1 seed, why should they potentially draw the 5th best team instead of the 8th. In today's world with QRF easily accessible why don't they just finish it. They should be able to play Anoka instead of Eastview (for example). Yes, to win it you have win 3 games regardless but shouldn't the top seed get an 'easier' first game?
It was not until recntly that they seeded just four. They used to seed all 8 but the outstate sections threw a hissy fit when they always got number 8, despite the fact that they would never come to the metro to play like duluth east. One year brainerd giot the 8 seed and t he coach exploded. he actually played to metro teams but lost both games handily. after that it changed
wayzata apologist- look at the final QRF every metro section has at least 3 (sometimes 5) top 20 teams in the section. Wayzata has two and the second is tonka at a QRF of 20. After that is hopkns at 30, it is a joke and so are you. Every other metro section winner had two actually play a top 15 team to advance not your golden boy tony. call us when holy family and rogers are off your schedule
genius at 150 THE DEBATE WAS OVER MERTO SECTIONS I would not consider 7 or 8 a metro section and yes 5 is much more difficult then wayzata's year in and year out. Just admit your coach schedules cupcakes in the season so his record is nice then he waltzs through a weak section gets a seed so he does not have to play a tough first round game and is in the dome every year. It is a great plan...but the other coaches should take him to task and not seed him as a result
I don't beleive the kids playing had anything to do with section boundries or who they play throughout the year. The state tournament is never going to have the top eight teams playing (in any sport)...get over it! Upsets happen and some sections are stonger...makes for an interesting tournament once the seeding is complete. What would some of you people have if there wasn't something to complain about?
10/19 at 10:37...thank you for that feedback. I will pass it along to MC and GF, her coaches. As much as I would like to be an influence in her life at all times, when she gets on a training field or the pitch, she belongs to her coach. Coaches, if this is true, I hope you are addressing it. I haven't heard these comments before, but they sound sincere. If this type of behavior happens on my time, believe me, it gets addressed.
Man it is close between Eastview and Wayzata for the #4 seed:
Current QRF: Eastview #5 / Wayzata #7 – edge Eastview Last regular season poll: Eastview #8 / Wayzata #6 – edge Wayzata Highest 2011 poll rank achieved: Eastview #6 / Wayzata #1 – edge Wayzata Lowest 2011 poll rank achieved: Eastview NR / Wayzata #6 – edge Wayzata Overall record: Eastview 13-2-4 / Wayzata 15-2-2 – edge Wayzata # of ranked teams played during regular season per MSO: Eastview 4 / Wayzata 5 – edge Wayzata Most impressive win per MSO: Eastview 2-0 #3 Eagan / Wayzata 3-1 #2 Edina – edge Wayzata Most glaring loss per MSO: Eastview 0-1 East Ridge / Wayzata 0-2 Minnetonka – edge Eastview Most confusing tie per MSO: Eastview 1-1 Prior Lake / Wayzata 0-0 Eden Prairie – edge Wayzata Toughest road through sections on QRF: Eastview #62 (Sibley)-#37 (Valley)-#2(Eagan) / Wayzata #61 (Cooper)-#22(St. Louis Park)-#30(Hopkins) – edge Eastview Head-to-head results against the likely top 3 seeds: Eastview W Burnsville, T Lakeville North / Wayzata none – edge Eastview
Even though realistically it should probably go to Eastivew, I do think it will end up going to Wayzata based on overall record, past polls and historical state performance.
9:29 Cop out! When you hear code words like "PAST" and "HISTORICAL", you know you are being "jobbed" and/or spun and the other person thinks we are naive. We know who played who and who didn't. Draw the records up who played who, it's pretty clear. All the rest is spin.
Good analysis but those games and victories over a ranked EP, a ranked Edina, a ranked Mtka, and a ranked Duluth East during the season don't mean much now. Those teams faded and proved to be not as strong as their ranking.
Buffalo? Holy Family? Elk River? South? Southwest? Tough to argue with those critical of the non-conference scheduling.
You missed common opponent- Duluth East who Esatview beat 4-1 and Wayzat 2-1.
You are right, I did leave that out but EV TIED Rosemount I believe.
EV: 0-0 vs Rosemount (recent) BV:2-3 vs Rosemount (early) This should be much less of a factor versus the overall body of work. And SSC: BV (6-3) ahead of EV (4-1-4
It would be great to see them go back to ranking 1-8...that way the EV vs WAY could be settled on the field as 4-5, or 5-4 however you put them. Number 1 and 2 should not have to play a 5 or 6 the first round. IMO LVKN WOOD BURN EV/WAY CEN BLN ANK
I love the discussion and analysis thanks this is good fodder for this blog. But in reality, whichver part of 1-4 you are doesn't matter with the only really interesting question being who is 4 vs 5. If Eastview is 5 and LVN draws them, watch out. Regardless, this seems like a wide open tournament!
9:05am I agree with you, and there is still a 25% chance it will happen.
LVN struggled earlier in the year against Eastview and I think Wayzata could do the same, so I do think whoever comes up in through the 1-4 bracket is well positioned to make it to the championship game.
9:05, 9:09 Nice effort, trying to sugar coat making Wayzata the NUMBER 4 SEED IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. If that happens they have made this whole thing a sham. Take their record, who they played ON THE FIELD. Their schedule was so weak they didn't even have a chance to lose to a team that's going to State. WOW! I don't know if they can recover from that over the top, tough, 6A Section. (8-0,6-0,4-1 etc)
Not saying it couldn't happen, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a team that finished BELOW a team in their conference end up getting seeded higher than that team at state.....regardless of the head-to-head. IMO, with the parity in this year's soccer season, the difference between the top 6 teams is minimal (sorry Blaine/Anoka) so getting one of the 4 seeds will increase your odds of facing one of the consensus two weaker teams in the opening round and getting to the dome, so I can see why everyone wants one of the seeds. Other than that reason who or where they get seeded doesn't make much of a difference.
Wow, the state seeding buzz is building! Love the point-counter point back & forth based on both fact and emotion above. Your guess is as good as mine as to how things will unfold (and I’ll take one below), but I do agree with the 12:21pm poster today that there is probably six teams that have a legitimate chance of winning it all this year. Good luck to all.
Before we leave sections for this year, let’s take a look at the % of returning roster for our section finalists. Here is the % of returning players for next year based on the rosters published on MSHSL: 1AA LVN -- 52%, Northfield -- 36% 2AA Burnsville -- 65%, Edina -- 50% 3AA Eagan -- 41%, Eastview -- 55% 4AA Mahtomedi -- 55%, Woodbury -- 59% 5AA Centennial -- 73%, Mounds View -- 77% 6AA Wayzata -- 73%, Hopkins -- 59% 7AA Blaine -- 40%, Duluth East -- 50% 8AA Anoka -- 71%, St. Michael -- 81% Given H.S. varsity rosters tend to be heavily weighted with upper-classmen, 50% is a pretty typical number of returning for the next year. Any of the above finalists returning close to three quarters of their roster should be formidable next year. Also gives you a sense of the experience depth for our teams in state.
So, I’ll take a wild a$$ guess at what the first round of AA state will be: #1 Lakeville North vs. Wayzata #2 Woodbury vs. Anoka #3 Burnsville vs. Centennial #4 Eastview vs. Blaine
I think the seeding meeting is sometime tomorrow, so we’ll be waiting to hear updates from insiders (please!)
(At least Four ) Statements related to polls as objective and weighted elements.
(Three) Subjective inventions.
(One) No-brainer.
(One) Actual "on the field" fact.
Total = Approx 13
This is a summary total. In the detailed Analysis of this post, you would see a house of cards, built on sand, but it appears we have been naïve enough to believe this approach for years. Question. Is this the type of thinking that we want to build Minnesota State soccer on for the future?
For some reason it just seems like the state champ will come from SSC (LVN, Burnsville, Eastview). Yes Centennial beat Bville earlier this year (first game), but I don't think Bville gave up much than 5 goals in conference all season after that game. Obviously summer competitive isn't directly = HS but if you take Dakota Rev u16 and u18 premier (I think (Eastview), Burnsville u17 Premier (Burnsville), Wayzata (u17 Premier), and then you think the top scorers on LVN and Centennial are Thunder u17 Premier you kind of get the picture why these teams are here. Should be a fun tournament, I think Eastview will win (begrudingly)
One way to look at it is the games a team plays that are not conference or section games. For example, Centennial played only 4 games that were not section or conference teams: Burnsville, Forest Lake, CDH, and Hopkins. Wayzata played Elk River, Duluth East, Rogers (twice?), Buffalo, and Holy Family Catholic. Seems a bit weak. Burnsville played Centennial, Hopkins, Minneapolis South, and Owatonna. Woodbury played Eden Prairie, Eagan, Edina, Bloomington Jefferson, and Northfield - seems challenging. If a coach is willing to take on tough competition in non-section, non-conference games, kudos to them.
Are you serious 5:13? Playing against EP, Edina and Hopkins seems challenging, tough competition, not a bit weak. Wayzata plays those teams twice during the regular season, yet they are viewed as pansies because of a weak schedule. Try again.
The point is non-conference scheduling. Look at other teams and who they schedule and Tony and who he schedules. Any coach that schedules Holy Family should be embarrased and this year edina hopkins, tonka and EP all sucked. And every year hopkns and tonka suck, so that leaves 4 games a year that wayzata plays, which is a joke.
Wow. 5:58 Your over the top sensitivity about Wayzata hurts your credibility and that of your school. It appears that there are many valid questions from many posts on how could Wayzata be seeded 4th in the State. Are you saying they are all Ignoramus' and "Wayzata Bashers".
6:15 Where are EP, Edina, and Hopkins next week. Hopkins has a losing record. How did Wayzata's seven non-conference teams do. We all know the answers to these questions.
Oh Great! I have this image of PE and TO in a one on shoot out! History. Maybe that is why this is all so hard for the powers to be. It's hard to let go.
wow pretty interesting. woodbury can't like drawing burnsville as the only common opponents I see are Edina and Eagan which beat woodbury 2-0 and burnsville went 3-0 vs. LVN got Ankoa which is fair. Eastview will handle Centennial and would be slight favorite over Bville/woodbury IMO. LVN has an easier path to finals with Anoka/Blaine/Wayzata on their side.
the random draw was used up until maybe 6, 7 years ago and it did work better. Seeding all 8 is much better. both woodbury and bvlle got screwed this year
random draw makes no sense...you could end up with #1 vs #2...I dont beleive wood vs burn is a #1 vs #2. while they did draw the toughest opening round, last i checked it took 3 wins to be the state champ.
I don't believe LVN is #1 either. I don't believe Mahtomedi was #2. That's the point. Do you really believe Wayzata is #4? They might end up so simply due to the capricious nature of the coaches seeding.
When you look at common opponents with all the teams you can see that this doesn't work well (if you are objective).
And, yes, you have to win three games to win the state tournament.
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Really? Who is she? Has she played on a National team or in an id2 camp? No? Well, then maybe she is on the wrong club team.
not every player bows at the alter of MTA and ODP. she lead the state in scoring, she is a major threat
Not saying she isn't a major threat. If she is content with being a high scorer in HS soccer, and maybe playing on a limited scholarship to a midwest D-1 school, that's fine. If she wants to achieve national recognition and reach her full potential, then another club is mandatory...just saying.
She will have NO problem ending up on a high level D-1 school if that is what she decides she wants. She is scoring more than the other girls (that you imagine are better) against the same competition.
agreed she is much more of a threat then a bigger name in her conference who just announced with the gophers
9:57 - she didn't lead the state in scoring. No need to lie or exaggerate. She's a good player but she's not Mia Hamm.
9:57-
If she played in single A or in the leagues the other players were in she most likely would have lead the state in scoring. Regardless, she is a top level player.
Who just announced to the Gophers 11:36?
you parents are nuts! good luck to all the girls in section semis today!
Class A
AHA 2-0 over SPA
Lakeville north and north field winners
Edina over EP 3-0
Mahtomedi 2
Wbl. 1
In ot
Any other updates? Keep 'em coming!
MV over Maple Grove 1-0 in OT.
Centennial over Champlin Park 2-1.
nfld v lvs interesting game. lvs dominates possession but nfld bunkers and sprung their forward twice, she is quite the player. lvs will regret several missed chances
Blake 1
Minnehaha 0
Blake vs Holy Angels in the final
nfld dirtiest team I have ever seen
6:30,
Playing dirty helps you pull upsets and make it to championships.
wayzata vs slp score?
Wayzata over SLP 6-0
Wayzata won
6:30 - NFLD is always dirty - that's all they got. They are taught that by their coach. Sad that they take pride in playing dirty, as represented by 6:33. Rest assured that eventually the refs will put them in their place.
But sometimes you end up with a ref that is influenced by their coach (who is a NCAA ref) and decides to that the saftey of players and the integrity of the game is not more important then being liked by a NCAA ref.
WBY over ER 3-2
who is the fool touting playing dirty? you should be ashamed! we played nfld earlier in the year and I was dumbstruck at how dirty they played. physical one thing but they were DIRTY. LVN will crush them anyway
And then there were 16.
1AA Northfield (3) vs. LN (1)
2AA Edina (3) vs. Burnsville (1)
3AA Eagan (1) vs. Eastview (2)
4AA Mahto (1) vs. Woodbury (2)
5AA Centennial (1) vs. MV (2)
6AA Hopkins (3) vs. Wayzata (1)
7AA Blaine (1) vs. Duluth East (2)
8AA Anoka (1) vs. SMA (2)
No huge surprises. Should be some good games.
nfld over LVS was a surprise. I took in some of both LVN and LVS games, thatwould have been a great final. If LVN stops nfld forward they have nothing else but their dirty play, which is a real thing andshoudl be stopped. I saw a LVS mid leave the game not to return after several dangerous and late tackels. It was amazing no one was seriously hurt. LVN will win big tuesday
North will stop the Northfield forward. She is a REV player and the North coach is a REV coach he has seen her play for years and knows how to contend her, also North has the center defenders to do it.
agreed lvn wins 3-0
1AA LVN 3-1
2AA Burnsville 2-1
3AA Eastview 2-1
4AA Woodbury 3-2 (ot)
5AA Centennial 2-0
6AA Hopkins 2-1 (shootout)
7AA Duluth East 3-0
8AA SMA 2-1
Seeding
1- LVN
2- Woodbury
3- Burnsville
4- Centennial
Face to face already this season:
1AA LN beat Northfield 2-0
2AA Burnsville beat Edina 2-0
3AA Eagan over Eastview 1-0
4AA Mahto over Woodbury 1-0
5AA Centennial MV tie
6AA Wayzata over Hopkins 3-0
7AA Blaine over Duluth East 1-0
8AA Anoka over SMA 2-1
Timid, based on this, I think you are spot on with your first two picks, brave with the second two, possible with the 5th, unlikely with number 6, and hopeful with 7 and 8. My opinion is that Section 4 or 6 will take it all. Even if Centennial advances, their top scorer will not be playing in the first round of the state tournament.
Why won't Centennial's top scorer be playing in the first round of hte state tournament?
Why won't Centennial's top scorer be playing in the first round of the state tournament?
(sorry, spelling mistake)
Training with the National team.
1AA LVN 4-0
2AA Edina 2-1 OT
3AA Eagan 2-0
4AA Mahtomedi 1-0 OT
5AA Centennial 1-0 SO (less than 31 shooters)
6AA Hopkins 1-0 SO
7AA Duluth East 3-2
8AA STMA 2-0
Seeds LVN, Eagan, Mahtomedi, Centennial
Eagan vs LVN final - Eagan wins
Let’s take a peek at the QRF differential for our section finalists as of last week’s QRF rankings (10/14), should give us a pretty good sense of how tight these games will be:
1AA- LVN (QRF #2) vs. Northfield (QRF #20): diff +18
2AA- Burnsville (QRF #5) vs. Edina (QRF #11): diff +6
3AA- Eagan (QRF #1) vs. Eastview (QRF #6): diff +5
4AA - Mahtomedi (QRF #3) vs. Woodbury (QRF #4): diff +1
5AA- Centennial (QRF #10) vs. Mounds View (QRF #14): diff +4
6AA - Wayzata (QRF #7) vs. Hopkins (QRF #34): diff +27
7AA - Blaine (QRF #29) vs. Duluth East (QRF #25): diff -4
8AA - Anoka (QRF #30) vs. St. Michael (QRF #19): diff -11
The QRF gods are heavily favoring LVN and Wayzata, predicting seeding upsets by Duluth East and St. Michael, and calling the rest of the games very close. Anything can happen, especially if we end up getting the snow/rain/wind on Tuesday, but I’m sticking with my original picks from last week (revising my 1AA pick w/ LVS out now):
1AA: LVN
2AA: Edina
3AA: Eagan
4AA: Woodbury
5AA: Mounds View
6AA: Wayzata
7AA: Duluth East
8AA: Anoka
The Burnsville/Edina & Mahtomedi/Woodbury matches should be great games, all four teams seem to be firing on all cylinders.
Let’s look forward and start thinking about the implications on state seeding. Historically all four seeded teams make it to the semi’s, with occasionally one non-seeded team making it that far in state; no non-seeded teams making it to the state championship game in recent history. So, obviously getting seeded in state is very important. Examine a couple of scenarios:
If you assume the current section seeding and/or QRF’s win, the state seeded teams would likely be:
#1 LVN (1AA)
#2 Mahtomedi (4AA)
#3 Eagan (3AA)
#4 Burnsville (2AA)
If you were to assume upset wins for all of the teams with a QRF differential <= +5 (the upset winners would be Eastview, Woodbury, Mounds View, Duluth East and St. Michael), the section seeding assignments really don’t change that much and likely still go to the 1AA, 2AA, 3AA and 4AA:
#1 LVN (1AA)
#2 Woodbury (4AA)
#3 Burnsville (2AA)
#4 Eastview (3AA ) OR 6AA Wayzata (6AA) -- the poll and QRF contradict right now
State seeding seems pretty well defined, with possibly the #4 still up for grabs. Wayzata would get some help if Edina were to upset Burnsville. I think Centennial would need Hopkins and Edina to both win, but that still might not be enough given Edina’s tougher road in, so they also may need a LVN upset.
But, let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. Will be fun to see how things unfold on Tues.
When can we go back to club and MTA & Rev bashing!
MTA's ECNL season starts in 3 weeks, so you can start then.
10/16/11 2:30 PM
get your facts straight before you just start making stuff up.
your statement. "North coach is a REV coach" is true - but he has only been with the Rev for one season. He has not watched her for years at the REV. But I would agree that he as will figure out how to stop a single dimensional team. (well one good striker and a chippy team - so maybe two dimensions - but a good ref will take the cheap stuff off the table).
It doesn't take years to scout a team. It takes one game if you know what you are looking for; he does.
NFLD will lose 3-0.
splitsville
10/16/11 2:30 & 10/16/11 11:00,
You are both correct! LVN has two Co Head Coaches. One who has been at Rev for a while now and one who has only been there for a year.
Have seen both mahtomedi and Lakeville North play and Mahtomedi is the better team from top to bottom. Lakeville North has 4 strong players while Mahtomedi has more than that and are faster and more aggressive. Also Mahtomedi has more talent from top to bottom. After their top four players Lakeville north is below average at best IMHO. If they play Mahtomedi by at least 2.
wow...below average at best. they must be getting it done with mirrors.
The winner will be one of three: EA, EV or BV.
The winner will be one of 16 teams...guaranteed!
bold statement 1:03...did mahtomedi win their section championship game? Good thing your not the coach or player, looking beyond a talented Woodbury team is dangerous. They might lose, then hows your assesment of talent?
I do have to agree with 2:09...good luck to all.
1:03...did you graduate? I felt like I was reading my 3rd graders homework. Poor grammer and horible assesment of soccer!
Don't mess with Mahtomedi!
For anyone that cares, here are the QRF differentials for tomorrow’s section finals, updated as of this afternoon’s QRF run:
1AA - LVN (QRF #2) vs. Northfield (QRF #16): diff +14
2AA - Burnsville (QRF #5) vs. Edina (QRF #9): diff +4
3AA - Eagan (QRF #1) vs. Eastview (QRF #7): diff +6
4AA - Mahtomedi (QRF #3) vs. Woodbury (QRF #4): diff +1
5AA - Centennial (QRF #11) vs. Mounds View (QRF #12): diff +1
6AA - Wayzata (QRF #6) vs. Hopkins (QRF #28): diff +22
7AA - Blaine (QRF #26) vs. Duluth East (QRF #22): diff -4
8AA - Anoka (QRF #29) vs. St. Michael (QRF #15): diff -14
It has been a while since we’ve had this many close finals. All should be great games.
All State Invites were sent out today
When do all-state and all-conference notifications typically occur? Is it published or just made available to coaches?
First of all 2:32 / 2:34, I didn't know this was going to be graded by someone as intelligent as you obviously are. I feel bad for your third grader if you are the one helping them with spelling. I predict third grade again next year unless maybe your spouse is the one helping your kid with homework. Please don't think horible (I mean HORRIBLE) things about my intelligence as i am (I mean I ) a college graduate. As far as my assesment ( I mean ASSESSMENT) of soccer talent and ability goes I will put both up against the very best in Minnesota.
2:17 you are correct about Woodbury. That will be a good game since both are better than LN and whoever wins that game will win it all IMHO. I'm just wondering if you are the same poster as 232 and 234 since you both spelled assesment wrong.
Best games: 1. Eagan v Eastview, 2. Mahtomedi v Woodbury, 3. Burnsville v Edina. The others are already settled IMO (LVN, Cent, Way, Blaine, St. Michael)
4:10 PM Have yet to see anywhere published the All Conference lists. Coaches usually tell their players at their team banquets.
The All State Banquet is this Sunday. 12:30 for Class A. 6:00 PM for Class AA. They will post the winners on their website at MSHSSCA. There is a link on the side of this blog --------- >
The BEST games will be played by boys.
So based on 4:11, there is no need for the other 14 teams to continue? Maybe the Section 4 game should be played in the dome, and just hand the winner of this game the state championship.
You must be one heck of a coach with that ego?
Well Thanks, I am one heck of a coach!!!
Yes, everyone should just throw in the towel now and return to your club. Are you ready for some real futbol!
10/17/11 2:32 PM - If I were you, I would NOT talk about horrible grammar! LOL! You typed 3 sentences and had three misspellings! Now, let’s talk about “who didn’t graduate!”
Mahtomedi still has to prove it.
Only one game against the final 16
1-0 vs Woodbury, impressive
Played only one other team in the final 32; 5-0 and 2-1 OT vs WBL
15 other wins against mediocre to poor teams. Not exactly a grind, but they should be fresh.
Now back to soccer.
5:07 - yes BOYS not men. Man play football. good luck with your boy though.
Man build fire!
First of all 2:30 - my bad. Was only looking at one coach - thanks for your insight.
Second after 4 years this is my final post...
Class A State championship will be tomorrow:
AHA versus Blake. Winner take all.
peace out- and good luck on all your journeys.
splitsville.
Sayonara splitsville,
While 3A is a tough section, I think Blake/AHA could easily lose to Totino, Benilde, or Lourdes.
Why do people keep bringing up single A soccer? Yawn.
Single A soccer is like AA Junior Varsity
8:42
Don't know what rankings you are referencing, but using QRF, Mahtomedi has beaten the following top 32 teams this year (unless it's an old list):
Woodbury #4
White Bear (twice) #10
Stillwater #23
Hill-Murray (twice) #25
Rochester Century #27
Section final will be tough (50/50)
Of those teams the only win to beat your chest over would be the Woodbury win. Goodness, I think Stillwater finished around .500.
What happened to Stillwater this year? Especially with a Ms Soccer candidate on the squad, I expected a better season?
1027, I find your comments offensive. I guess the truth hurts. Sorry!!
mahtomedi is OVERRATED!!!!
Stillwater graduated all but three starters from their 3d place State team last year. The three that remained are studs but weren't enough for a tough Suburban East.
7:43
Was referencing the 32 semifinalists in the 8 AA sections
Stay warm tonight - have fun!
Two zero eastview
tough suburban east is an oxymoron. only ssc had more then two teams worth anything
North by 5
Woodbury 2
Mahtomedi 1
(in OT)
Good match....good luck at state Royals.
Centennial three to zero.
Any other game scores/recaps? Keep 'em coming!
so much for mahtomedi maybe schedule someone next year and we will believe
wayzata?
Burnsville in ot
Wayzata 4-1 over Hopkins
Blaine 1-0 over Duluth East
Anoka 2-1 over STMA
1AA LN
2AA Burnsville
3AA Eastview
4AA Woodbury
5AA Centennial
6AA Wayzata
7AA Blaine
8AA Anoka
Seeds will be LN, Wayzata, Burnsville, Woodbury, then the draw.
Congratulations to our AA section champions!
1AA: Lakeville North
2AA: Burnsville
3AA: Eastview
4AA: Woodbury
5AA: Centennial
6AA: Wayzata
7AA: Blaine
8AA: Anoka
All of these girls should be very proud of their accomplishments, tough to win any of these sections this year.
I’ll have to admit I went 3/10 from my original picks, but that was like 200 posts ago, so I’m sure no one will call me on it.
State seeding will be interesting, here is my guess at who will get the seeds:
#1 Lakeville North
#2 Woodbury
#3 Burnsville
#4 Wayzata
The #4 seed is a tough call, Wayzata’s and Eastview’s records are very similar, but Wayzata with the +2 edge in total wins. On per team QRF, Wayzata had the slightly tougher early rounds, but Eastview obviously had the tougher task in their final. Last QRF leans slightly to the Trojans. Last poll had Wayzata above Eastview. Very close, but I suspect Wayzata will get it. Should set the stage for an interesting state tourney.
My team is out of it now, but good luck to all in state!
10:25,
More like LN, Woodbury, Burnsville & Wayzata. Then the draw.
LVN by far best team in the state. Hard to knock them out of the state tournament.
Good luck losers!
Very mature 10:48, have another Natural Light and lock your Lakeville hood doors tonight.
3 schools from the Northwest Suburban conference and 3 schools from the South Suburban conference. 1 from the Suburban East and 1 from the Lake conference.
When is the state tournament seeding?
Eastview, Woodbury & Lakeville North are the best three teams in the state.
Only in your world and weak opinion.
Good luck to all the rest of the way.
Seeding will be interesting. Centennial and Eastview can both make a pretty strong case for being seeded. Both of them beat Burnsville and have fewer losses than Wayzata or Woodbury. Burnsville 0-3 against the remaining eight teams while Eastview is 2-0-1 and Centennial is 2-0. It will depend on how they weigh head-to-head vs full body of work for the season and strength of schedule.
Anyone know when seeding will take place?
I don't see how there can be any question on seeding, here is what they will look at (overall record / last poll / last QRF)
LVN (17-0-2 / #1 / #2) -- #1
Woodbury (16-3-0 / #4 / #4) -- #2
Burnsville (15-4-0 / #5 / #5) -- #3
Wayzata (15-2-2 / #6 / #6) -- #4
Centennial (16-1-2 / #7 / #11)
Eastview (13-2-4 / #8 / #7)
Blaine (10-5-2 / NR / #26)
Anoka (10-5-4 / NR / #29)
The only disagrement would be the discrepancy between Eastview and Centennial poll versus QRF, but moot point since they are outside of the top 4.
Can't argue that Centennial's record of 16-1-2 should prevail, given their much easier regular season play compared to Eastview and Wayzata. Centennial's win over Burnsville was at the begining of season, don't think it will factor in at all now.
Centennial has nothing - won't make it past first round
All of the ssc conference teams should be seeded as it was by far the best conference in the state. If you speard them even further you could have had 5 teams in state.
Centennial and Wayzata played no one. The Lake was WAYYYYYY down this year and Tony doesn't like to schedule tough non-conference. He has been doing it for years,play some cup cakes so you have a nice record come seeding time. Teams should be rewarded for strength of schedule and the willingness to play tough competition.
Centennial beat 3 teams that made it to state (Burnsville, Anoka, and Blaine). Their non-conference games were against Burnsville and Hopkins - both strong teams, and Centennial prevailed in both. Not sure what is behind the comment, 10:13, but it if Centennial has nothing, what is that to say about those other teams?
9:35
Burnsville should be #2 ahead of Woodbury.
Woodbury lost to Eagan (0-2) and Edina (0-2).
Burnsville defeated Eagan (recently) and defeated Edina twice.
Blaine, Anoka, Wayzata, and Centennial's schedules are suspect at best as far as overall difficulty. Having said that, 2 or 3 doesn't mater a ton.
10:53 again.
#1 LVN
#2 BV
#3 EV
#4 WD
Centennials star is not "traveling" with the National Team. She has been invited to a camp in Carson California to work with the Current National U17 and U18 teams along with 29 other players. Some of the current squad on both teams will become age ineligible and April Heinrichs is looking for new talent. Congratulations to the CHS / MTA superstar on this honor, but if the US is looking for right footed only players with speed who don't like contact God help our Future National Teams. Imagine Mia Ham with no left foot and an aversion to being touched. She'd just be a Ham
Welcome to MN soccer blogging. Home of some of the most passive aggressive back-handed compliments that are really snarky jabs.
Congrats JR you are a helluva player and you make the MN soccer community proud!
Completely agree 1135, Proud to know JR and happy to see her doing well at something she worked so hard to accomplish, 1127....You are a sorry excuse for an adult.
10:41 - Exactly, easy roads for all four teams to state.
Who will seed the teams for the state tournament?
The 8 coaches will sometime Sat?
checked out wayzata's non-conference. was surprised to see that the little sisters of the poor was not on it, what a joke! Rogers tournament and Holy Family? No way wayzate should be a seed they beat no one and their section was way down this year.
If you are willing to boast of your kids accomplishments and even stretch the truth to suit your egos, or to make your little loved ones feel great, then you ought to be strong enough to hear the assessments and critiques and opinions of others, especially when you post your accomplishments on a public blog. At home tell your kid their the greatest but when you stand on a soap box and announce it to the world expect someone to say something that you may not like.
I think Eastview is going to end up winning this as they have the confidence and a victory over Bville and a tie with LVN in their pocket. Whoever they draw if not seeded will either be familiar for them or someone they should handle. That conference is tough and I would expect the winner to come from there. (No I am not a Dakota Rev parent either)
We regularly hear pissy remarks about Tony's coaching, the team's easy schedule, etc, (such as 12:15 pm) and yet every year (at least recently) his teams make it to the state tournament and even the finals. Isn't it the goal of every high school team to make it to state?
Correction:We regularly hear pissy remarks about Tony's coaching, the team's easy schedule, etc, (such as 12:17 pm) and yet every year (at least recently) his teams make it to the state tournament and even the finals. Isn't it the goal of every high school team to make it to state?
Shut up 12:19 PM
1219 also equals 1127, sorry excuse for a parent. JR has more talent in her right leg that you are critical of, than you DD has in her entire body.
12:19...what are you babbling about?
For those who care, QRF ranking after section finals for remaining AA teams:
1. Lakeville North
4. Woodbury
5. Eastview
6. Burnsville
7. Wayzata
9. Centennial
22. Blaine
25. Anoka
10/19/2011 post at 11:27 & 12:19 - you are pathetic. What exactly have you done of any significance in your meaningless existence on this earth besides berate a young woman?
I think the person who wrote that is probably a Centennial parent and is angry that their star player is leaving during the opening round of State. The whole team worked hard to get there, so when your top player chooses herself over the whole team, it's got to sting a little.
Another passive aggressive remark. Keep them coming.
I believe an earlier post says that JR is not traveling with National team. I don't know if that's true or not.
I'm not from Cent. or MTA, but if it was my daughter, I would hope she picks the National team. JR will get so many more opportunites by playing at the national level than she would by playing high school soccer. So whatever she's doing, good for her!
Okay, enough. It is common knowledge that I read and contribute to this blog, hopefully always in a positive manner, so I may as well identify myself. I have been erroneously accused on multiple occasions for touting my daughter, but the personal attacks on her this time cross the line. First of all, I don't see any claims that she was traveling with the national team. If there is such a claim, it certainly did not come from me. Secondly, 11:27/12:19, thank you. It is people like you who have pushed my daughter to get to where she is. There have been multiple times when someone has told her "you can't" or "you never will," to which she has replied, "well, we will just see about that." You give her the drive to take it to the next level and prove it wrong. Third, nobody really cares what some pasty, doughy old man in Minnesota has to say about her skills. We prefer to listen to Coach Radcliff, Smith, etc. And finally, and probably most disturbing, is that she did NOT put herself before her team. Weeks ago, when this opportunity presented itself, she talked to her team. The TEAM agreed that they wanted her to go to camp. They simply asked that she help them to get to State, which was their goal. What would have been selfish would have been for her to sit out after being fairly significantly injured. It would have been in her best interest to sit out of the section games to be full strength for camp, but she refused to do so. So, cast your stones and write your uneducated posts, but if you truly knew my daughter, as her coaches, MTA and Centennial parents do, you would be ashamed of yourself. If I am guilty of something, it is this: being proud of my child, and demanding that she be given the opportunities that I thought she deserved, despite financial and other obstacles that we have overcome. Good luck to all the teams, and thank you to all my soccer friends that continue to support my daughter.
7:21pm. People get jealous and so what and good for you for making a statement. I love your comment "pasty, doughy old man in Minnesota!"
I had the opportunity to watch your daughter score a couple goals against my daughter's HS team. My daughter also plays for MTA, but younger. You should be proud of your daughter! I'm proud that she's from MTA and MN. Best of luck to her in the future!
great post JR's mom! I had the pleasure of watching JR play at State Cup, and ECNL nationals in Denver and Regionals in Appleton. She was always one of the top players on the field against THE BEST girls in the region AND the Nation. She worked hard and showed tremendous effort and skills. Keep in mind the 94 ECNL MTA U17's beat the eventual National Champion (NSA and the runner up (SLSG) at Regions. Both teams qualified through the National League.
JR Mom: certainly appreciate your honesty and candor. I also recognize the passion in your voice for your daughter and it is admirable. If all parents supported their kids like you the world would be a better place. That said, with all sincerity, having witnessed your daughter over the past few years from a competitive standpoint, there is certainly no lack of passion and effort and talent. But in all candor, in every game without fail many players have complained about her cheap fouls, over aggressive play and 'insulting comments' equally as to her immense talent. When things don't go her way she often turns aggressive and 'cheap' and she should be above that level of discourse. Hopefully as she matures past this age she will clean up that part of her game because it clear she is a huge talent and potentially a great ambassador for the state of mn. Not everything about a player is their physical gifts and even their work rate, results and leadership ON a team (it is clear her TEAMMATES vouch for her). Sometimes it is the way they handle themselves towards their competition, the fairness and respect for the rules of the game and their attitude and reaction in the face of adversity. I am not preaching but having seen many great players over the years progress from HS to college and beyond, to be special, it takes much more than physical talent. I realize you didn't ask for my input so ignore it if you choose but you seem to be someone that cares about the future of your daughter and hopefully my tone shows I am rooting for her success. Best of luck to her in her pursuits she should have all MN soccer fans hoping for her success.
or digress.
10/19/11 11:10 PM - I am hoping you are not directing that comment towards a young lady who is possibly doing something good for soccer, MN and most importantly, herself. If you are, why don't you tell us who the little soccer player is in your family and we will critique them.
I am still lost at why people are bringing up kids names and initials in this blog, especially in bad ways.
It is one thing if a parent brings their up something about their own child, which you have no way to tell, but it is another thing when other's bring their names up.
Best of luck to the young lady.
All you people out there who have young soccer players, here is what you have to look forward to when they get older and their skills increase - stupid people trying to tear them down!
Any predictions for Class A?
7:29, in your post, the proper use should be "others." No apostrophe is needed as it's not possessive. Don't call me stupid.
Oh, I thought I came to a soccer blog where fans were discussing MN high school soccer. My bad. I just now realized I stepped back into junior high with both the behavior and the grammar lessons.
How bout some soccer folks?
ooop!
How 'bout some soccer?
There sure are a lot of small people with small minds on this blog.
This blog is a great testimonial to why so many youth leave the game of soccer due to the overbearing, crazy parents.
wayzata fan. it is not too difficult to make state every year when you play in a\the weakest metro section (for years it was Tony and the mpls schools and only 6 teams) And playing weak opponents to get a good ranking is pathetic. The coaches should punish him by not seeding him and then see how he does.
wayzata hater -- prove it that wayzata plays in the "weakest" metro section.
Out of curiosity, what is the logic of only seeding 4 teams instead of 8? Assuming Lakeville is number 1 seed, why should they potentially draw the 5th best team instead of the 8th. In today's world with QRF easily accessible why don't they just finish it. They should be able to play Anoka instead of Eastview (for example). Yes, to win it you have win 3 games regardless but shouldn't the top seed get an 'easier' first game?
Wayzata won't get seeded. I know this for a fact!
It was not until recntly that they seeded just four. They used to seed all 8 but the outstate sections threw a hissy fit when they always got number 8, despite the fact that they would never come to the metro to play like duluth east. One year brainerd giot the 8 seed and t he coach exploded. he actually played to metro teams but lost both games handily. after that it changed
wayzata apologist- look at the final QRF every metro section has at least 3 (sometimes 5) top 20 teams in the section. Wayzata has two and the second is tonka at a QRF of 20. After that is hopkns at 30, it is a joke and so are you. Every other metro section winner had two actually play a top 15 team to advance not your golden boy tony. call us when holy family and rogers are off your schedule
genius at 150 THE DEBATE WAS OVER MERTO SECTIONS I would not consider 7 or 8 a metro section and yes 5 is much more difficult then wayzata's year in and year out. Just admit your coach schedules cupcakes in the season so his record is nice then he waltzs through a weak section gets a seed so he does not have to play a tough first round game and is in the dome every year. It is a great plan...but the other coaches should take him to task and not seed him as a result
Cry baby at 4:03 PM. I guess Blaine, Anoka and Coon Rapids are in the boonies. When was the last time that a school from section 5AA won state?
I don't beleive the kids playing had anything to do with section boundries or who they play throughout the year. The state tournament is never going to have the top eight teams playing (in any sport)...get over it!
Upsets happen and some sections are stonger...makes for an interesting tournament once the seeding is complete.
What would some of you people have if there wasn't something to complain about?
I don't know about you 5:47pm, but I'd complain about not having anything to complain about.
10/20/11 8:27 AM - you are correct, good catch!
Now, stop tearing down kids!
10/19 at 10:37...thank you for that feedback. I will pass it along to MC and GF, her coaches. As much as I would like to be an influence in her life at all times, when she gets on a training field or the pitch, she belongs to her coach. Coaches, if this is true, I hope you are addressing it. I haven't heard these comments before, but they sound sincere. If this type of behavior happens on my time, believe me, it gets addressed.
Man it is close between Eastview and Wayzata for the #4 seed:
Current QRF: Eastview #5 / Wayzata #7 – edge Eastview
Last regular season poll: Eastview #8 / Wayzata #6 – edge Wayzata
Highest 2011 poll rank achieved: Eastview #6 / Wayzata #1 – edge Wayzata
Lowest 2011 poll rank achieved: Eastview NR / Wayzata #6 – edge Wayzata
Overall record: Eastview 13-2-4 / Wayzata 15-2-2 – edge Wayzata
# of ranked teams played during regular season per MSO: Eastview 4 / Wayzata 5 – edge Wayzata
Most impressive win per MSO: Eastview 2-0 #3 Eagan / Wayzata 3-1 #2 Edina – edge Wayzata
Most glaring loss per MSO: Eastview 0-1 East Ridge / Wayzata 0-2 Minnetonka – edge Eastview
Most confusing tie per MSO: Eastview 1-1 Prior Lake / Wayzata 0-0 Eden Prairie – edge Wayzata
Toughest road through sections on QRF: Eastview #62 (Sibley)-#37 (Valley)-#2(Eagan) / Wayzata #61 (Cooper)-#22(St. Louis Park)-#30(Hopkins) – edge Eastview
Head-to-head results against the likely top 3 seeds: Eastview W Burnsville, T Lakeville North / Wayzata none – edge Eastview
Even though realistically it should probably go to Eastivew, I do think it will end up going to Wayzata based on overall record, past polls and historical state performance.
9:29 Cop out! When you hear code words like "PAST" and "HISTORICAL", you know you are being "jobbed" and/or spun and the other person thinks we are naive. We know who played who and who didn't. Draw the records up who played who, it's pretty clear. All the rest is spin.
Good analysis but those games and victories over a ranked EP, a ranked Edina, a ranked Mtka, and a ranked Duluth East during the season don't mean much now. Those teams faded and proved to be not as strong as their ranking.
Buffalo? Holy Family? Elk River? South? Southwest? Tough to argue with those critical of the non-conference scheduling.
You missed common opponent- Duluth East who Esatview beat 4-1 and Wayzat 2-1.
IMHO, QRF has them in the proper seeding order:
LVN
Woodbury
Eastview
Burnsville
Wayzata
Centennial
Blaine
Anoka
9:29 Add to the "off field", artificial spin list; the concepts of "poll" and "ranking" as supposed weighted, intelligent, seeding factors.
10:05.......
9:35
Burnsville should be #2 ahead of Woodbury.
Woodbury lost to Eagan (0-2) and Edina (0-2).
Burnsville defeated Eagan (recently) and defeated Edina twice.
Blaine, Anoka, Wayzata, and Centennial's schedules are suspect at best as far as overall difficulty. Having said that, 2 or 3 doesn't mater a ton.
10/19/11 10:53 AM
Eastview head to head win vs Burnsville and their tie of LV North gets them a seed above Bursville who lost to LV North.
LVN is the clear #1. That has little bearing. BV lost in OT to LVN so they are very close.
EV: tied Prior Lake last game of season
BV: 3-1 and 2-0 (most recent) over Prior Lake
EV: split with Eagan
BV: 1-0 over Eagan
EV: tied Jefferson
BV: 2-0 over Jefferson
EV: 4-1 , 2-0 (most recent) over AV
BV: 4-0 over AV
EV: 1-0 over LVS
BV: 2-0 over LVS
EV: 8-1 over Kennedy
BV: 10-0 over Kennedy (pulled starters early, same as EV did I'm sure)
One night against EV head to head shouldn't over shadow the full body of work against like opponents. No way do they deserve seed ahead of BV.
Burnsville finished ahead of Eastview in South Suburban conference. Burnsville gets seeded ahead of them.
Head to head.
Why did you leave out Bville's loss and Eastview's defeat of Rosemount?
You are right, I did leave that out but EV TIED Rosemount I believe.
EV: 0-0 vs Rosemount (recent)
BV:2-3 vs Rosemount (early)
This should be much less of a factor versus the overall body of work.
And
SSC: BV (6-3) ahead of EV (4-1-4
It would be great to see them go back to ranking 1-8...that way the EV vs WAY could be settled on the field as 4-5, or 5-4 however you put them. Number 1 and 2 should not have to play a 5 or 6 the first round. IMO
LVKN
WOOD
BURN
EV/WAY
CEN
BLN
ANK
I love the discussion and analysis thanks this is good fodder for this blog. But in reality, whichver part of 1-4 you are doesn't matter with the only really interesting question being who is 4 vs 5. If Eastview is 5 and LVN draws them, watch out. Regardless, this seems like a wide open tournament!
9:05am I agree with you, and there is still a 25% chance it will happen.
LVN struggled earlier in the year against Eastview and I think Wayzata could do the same, so I do think whoever comes up in through the 1-4 bracket is well positioned to make it to the championship game.
9:05, 9:09 Nice effort, trying to sugar coat making Wayzata the NUMBER 4 SEED IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. If that happens they have made this whole thing a sham. Take their record, who they played ON THE FIELD. Their schedule was so weak they didn't even have a chance to lose to a team that's going to State. WOW! I don't know if they can recover from that over the top, tough, 6A Section. (8-0,6-0,4-1 etc)
finally some agreement on the sham that is wayzata!!! When will the coaches finally take Tony to task?
9:57 AM
The analysis provided by 10/20/11 9:29 PM suggests that the whole thing would NOT be a sham.
That analysis looks like the analysis we get on FOX or MSNBC- selective and agenda-driven.
9:05
How do you see WDB ahead of BV with the season results what they are?
Burnsville should be #2 ahead of Woodbury.
Woodbury lost to Eagan (0-2) and Edina (0-2).
Burnsville defeated Eagan (recently) and defeated Edina twice.
Not saying it couldn't happen, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a team that finished BELOW a team in their conference end up getting seeded higher than that team at state.....regardless of the head-to-head.
IMO, with the parity in this year's soccer season, the difference between the top 6 teams is minimal (sorry Blaine/Anoka) so getting one of the 4 seeds will increase your odds of facing one of the consensus two weaker teams in the opening round and getting to the dome, so I can see why everyone wants one of the seeds. Other than that reason who or where they get seeded doesn't make much of a difference.
Wow, the state seeding buzz is building! Love the point-counter point back & forth based on both fact and emotion above. Your guess is as good as mine as to how things will unfold (and I’ll take one below), but I do agree with the 12:21pm poster today that there is probably six teams that have a legitimate chance of winning it all this year. Good luck to all.
Before we leave sections for this year, let’s take a look at the % of returning roster for our section finalists. Here is the % of returning players for next year based on the rosters published on MSHSL:
1AA LVN -- 52%, Northfield -- 36%
2AA Burnsville -- 65%, Edina -- 50%
3AA Eagan -- 41%, Eastview -- 55%
4AA Mahtomedi -- 55%, Woodbury -- 59%
5AA Centennial -- 73%, Mounds View -- 77%
6AA Wayzata -- 73%, Hopkins -- 59%
7AA Blaine -- 40%, Duluth East -- 50%
8AA Anoka -- 71%, St. Michael -- 81%
Given H.S. varsity rosters tend to be heavily weighted with upper-classmen, 50% is a pretty typical number of returning for the next year. Any of the above finalists returning close to three quarters of their roster should be formidable next year. Also gives you a sense of the experience depth for our teams in state.
So, I’ll take a wild a$$ guess at what the first round of AA state will be:
#1 Lakeville North vs. Wayzata
#2 Woodbury vs. Anoka
#3 Burnsville vs. Centennial
#4 Eastview vs. Blaine
I think the seeding meeting is sometime tomorrow, so we’ll be waiting to hear updates from insiders (please!)
If it falls as you layout above Bold, I think Woodbury beats Burnsville in the finals.
Rating of the approximately 13 points of the Wayzata Analysis of 10/20/11 9:29pm
(Four )"Code Word" Statements requiring translations.
(At least Four ) Statements related to polls as objective and weighted elements.
(Three) Subjective inventions.
(One) No-brainer.
(One) Actual "on the field" fact.
Total = Approx 13
This is a summary total. In the detailed Analysis of this post, you would see a house of cards, built on sand, but it appears we have been naïve enough to believe this approach for years. Question. Is this the type of thinking that we want to build Minnesota State soccer on for the future?
Burnsville lost to Centennial 5-3 earlier this year, so I wouldn't count on that.
I will not seed Wayzata this year.
I will not seed this blog with BS this year.
For some reason it just seems like the state champ will come from SSC (LVN, Burnsville, Eastview). Yes Centennial beat Bville earlier this year (first game), but I don't think Bville gave up much than 5 goals in conference all season after that game. Obviously summer competitive isn't directly = HS but if you take Dakota Rev u16 and u18 premier (I think (Eastview), Burnsville u17 Premier (Burnsville), Wayzata (u17 Premier), and then you think the top scorers on LVN and Centennial are Thunder u17 Premier you kind of get the picture why these teams are here. Should be a fun tournament, I think Eastview will win (begrudingly)
One way to look at it is the games a team plays that are not conference or section games. For example, Centennial played only 4 games that were not section or conference teams: Burnsville, Forest Lake, CDH, and Hopkins. Wayzata played Elk River, Duluth East, Rogers (twice?), Buffalo, and Holy Family Catholic. Seems a bit weak. Burnsville played Centennial, Hopkins, Minneapolis South, and Owatonna. Woodbury played Eden Prairie, Eagan, Edina, Bloomington Jefferson, and Northfield - seems challenging. If a coach is willing to take on tough competition in non-section, non-conference games, kudos to them.
Ignoramus at 11:00 AM -- where is your analysis? You have nothing, other than an agenda against Wayzata and Tony (and probably conservatives too).
Are you serious 5:13? Playing against EP, Edina and Hopkins seems challenging, tough competition, not a bit weak. Wayzata plays those teams twice during the regular season, yet they are viewed as pansies because of a weak schedule. Try again.
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The point is non-conference scheduling. Look at other teams and who they schedule and Tony and who he schedules. Any coach that schedules Holy Family should be embarrased and this year edina hopkins, tonka and EP all sucked. And every year hopkns and tonka suck, so that leaves 4 games a year that wayzata plays, which is a joke.
in 2006 LVS was seeded below EP despite the fact that LVS finished higher in conference. Coaches can be crazy and definitely have agendas.
Wow. 5:58 Your over the top sensitivity about Wayzata hurts your credibility and that of your school. It appears that there are many valid questions from many posts on how could Wayzata be seeded 4th in the State. Are you saying they are all Ignoramus' and "Wayzata Bashers".
6:15 Where are EP, Edina, and Hopkins next week. Hopkins has a losing record. How did Wayzata's seven non-conference teams do. We all know the answers to these questions.
Sounds like a bunch of MTA coaches stirring things up.
Woodbury and Wayzata have the best coaches of the remaining eight teams.
More experience+State championships.
IMHO, Woodbury & Wayzata final.
Oh Great! I have this image of PE and TO in a one on shoot out! History. Maybe that is why this is all so hard for the powers to be. It's hard to let go.
I heard Burnsville vs. Woodbury and Centennial vs. Eastview.
That would leave LVN v Anoka or Blaine and Wayzata v Anoka or Blaine
where did you hear the seedinsg are they out? If true bvlle will crush woodbury
I heard from a coach. The meeting was this morning, and the locations for the games will be out at around noon today, from what I heard.
No way woodbury & burnsville play in the first round, would mean one of the two didn't get seeded, which is highly unlikely.
LVN v Anoka
Wayzata v Blaine
Centennial v Eastview
Burnsville v Woodbury
what are the seedlings and pairing?
seedings are as follows:
LVN #1
Woodbury #2
Eastview #3
Wayzata #4
LVN vs Anoka
Wayzata vs Blaine
Centennial vs Eastview
Burnsville vs Woodbury
brackets on mshsl.org shocking that burnsville does not get seeded. Woodbury gets screwed by getting seeded high but draws a very tough bvlle team.
wow pretty interesting. woodbury can't like drawing burnsville as the only common opponents I see are Edina and Eagan which beat woodbury 2-0 and burnsville went 3-0 vs. LVN got Ankoa which is fair. Eastview will handle Centennial and would be slight favorite over Bville/woodbury IMO. LVN has an easier path to finals with Anoka/Blaine/Wayzata on their side.
LVN and BVLLE in final
LVN & Eastview or Burnsville final.
Scrap the seeding and go to random draw.
It would be more fair year in and year out.
This is really sad.
seed all eight
That still doesn't stop coaches from seeding on their own agenda rather than season results.
the random draw was used up until maybe 6, 7 years ago and it did work better. Seeding all 8 is much better. both woodbury and bvlle got screwed this year
random draw makes no sense...you could end up with #1 vs #2...I dont beleive wood vs burn is a #1 vs #2. while they did draw the toughest opening round, last i checked it took 3 wins to be the state champ.
I don't believe LVN is #1 either. I don't believe Mahtomedi was #2. That's the point. Do you really believe Wayzata is #4? They might end up so simply due to the capricious nature of the coaches seeding.
When you look at common opponents with all the teams you can see that this doesn't work well (if you are objective).
And, yes, you have to win three games to win the state tournament.
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