Somehow the previous post on these topics was deleted. Feel free to use this for ranting and raving about club topics, MRL, MYSA, MTA, SSM, ODP, MN Thunder, etc.
What percentage of MTA Blue players are on scholarship?
Compare that to the percentage of MTA White, Green, Pink, Red and Orange players who are on scholarship, and you'll see why MTA needs to make the promises they do to the lower-level players and parents. The "pro" team in town has no ability to support the large number of Blue scholarship players, so guess who does?
If you're not outstanding AND poor and want to play for MTA, grab your checkbook.
8:50 Why so bitter? Are you having trouble making ends meet? Is your child losing field time to a more skilled player? Just because that player's parents can't afford fees, doesn't mean that your child is a better athlete or soccer player.
Jeeez, all this talk about poor families and players. You all need to take a look in the mirror. Why are you all so better than everyone else? I would take a blue collar player any day over a golden spooned kid!! Just because of this selfishness and ugly crap you people are posting. Hey, if you dont like the rules, then freaking quit and go do something else with your time just like Ms Palin did.
A majority of the scholarships are on the boys side. They had a raffle during the winter months to help raise money for about $60,000 shortage in scholarships. The total bill was around $100,000 in scholarships from what I heard at the time. 850 you are correct!!
Minnesota soccer is mediocre because we have mediocre coaches. Number and quality of players has been increasing for several years but you got the same ol overrated coaches. The future?? You're screwed because the coaching situation won't change anytime soon.
you're correct. It is a business and that's what's wrong with youth soccer in Minnesota. You're probably one of the freeloaders.In youth soccer you should get what you pay for. Pro soccer is a different situation.
Clubs books are supposed to be open to the parents of the players. Tried for three years to get a look. Didn't happen,won't happen.
850, just stated a fact and you all go into defensive mode questioning his kids skill level if he or she even has one in the race.
Tips on How to make a Blue Team during tryouts!!
1) Have multiple kids playing soccer for MTA. Skill level is not as important as the ability to pay all your fees. 2) Let Coach know that you are only interested in playing if your kid makes the top team. If they are a bubble player this gives them the edge over someone who parents haven't made the same statement. 3) Make donations!! 4) It's also who you know!!
If you don't believe me get to know current Blue Player parents well and they will eventually open up about how in the "H - E double toothpicks" the bottom players ever made the top team over some other kids.
1224, There is extra fluff built into every thing they charge you for. I believe they have close to 8 paid positions in the club and much money needed for all the scholarships. They won't let you see the books because you would see where all the money is really going and that your fees really don't need to be so high.
CS apparently doesn't need the future all american's assists. This is the player who was a no show during state cup where MTA 91 shut down the vaunted SSM offense 2 to zip.
The Lightning has some good players but they'd be lucky to win a couple games w/o CS. That's just the way it is.
Let's be honest, except for Chicago and Indiana, MTA 91 (and most likely SSM U18's as well) would beat up the rest of the teams in the league (Kalamazoo?, Ft. Wayne?, W. Michigan?).
dang it 1:14, you made me lose my over/under bet on when someone (most likely always you) would bash DS. i gave you the benefit of the doubt at 2.5 days and you came in way earlier. from here on out i'll be taking the "under" in that betting pool.....
Do you really think MTA is the only club that has "fluff" or additional cost for club administration? Wow, wake up.
I guess you forgot about the DKT REV DOC pay checks, and SCV extras and virtually every other club. And guess what, I'm not knocking the CC's, they do a great job too, but you all need to wake up.
Again, it sounds like people who are hearing that it is expensive to play for MTA, but don't have any analyzation or math skills.
It is expensive, mostly because of the extra indoor training, and the travel to bigger better tournaments.
My son has played at CC's and now is with MTA. If it was not for the additional travel, this year was no more expensive than the CC we were at.
It's hard to be committed to a club that tells me at mid-season that I need to kick in more money to pay for the two scholarship players they found (and yes, they took my kid's place on the field).
Repeat after me: "MTA is always looking for your replacement."
We're going back "home" too, after I did a little math. Step 1, calculate all we paid for our "white experience." Step 2, multiply that number by 16 (players) to determine a total team budget. Step 3, (after subtracting coaching, dome, uniforms, and training) wonder where the money went.
I have to think I helped support players who weren't even on our team, and it makes me sick to think we supported players on the team we wanted to be on.
3:56 go ask where the other money went, have some guts-can you say passive aggressive.
Most likely, they are keeping the extra so they will not have $0 in the account when domes and tournaments need money next year.
No money is changing from whites to blues, get over it.
MTA is an elite club, the top team will always have changes, just like any other club, and any other sport. If you thought playing for the second, (or third) team would get you anything more than training with new players, and a new coach you are very naive.
I asked twice. No answer. That said, I do like your last paragraph...it should be printed in bold on the top of every MTA recruiting brochure and ad:
"MTA is an elite club, the top team will always have changes, just like any other club, and any other sport. If you thought playing for the second, (or third) team would get you anything more than training with new players, and a new coach you are very naive."
Well said, 4:07. May I quote you as an MTA source?
oh no!!!! my kid isn't going to be a star!!! who can I blame!!! It's everyone else's fault that I personally am not have the gratitude of living vicariously through him/her.
this time of the year alwasy cracks me up.
for every player 12-16 on a MTA team that leaves there are another 6 hoping to take their place.
Most well run clubs build a reserve fund. It would be irresponsible for the leadership not too. Life is full of the unexpected and without a reserve fund how do you get through that "rainy day" ? assesments? thats not a great solution. Also remember included in all club fees are league fees, insurance, professional services ie:legal and accounting, as well as several other costs that any well run organization needs to operate. And YES scholarships are, and should be IMO a part of everyones registration fees. NO I am NOT with MTA. Yes I do believe they are a higher cost option, but if you all want to play for them and are aware of the costs associated with it then go for it. I am continually amazed at the number of people who care what the cost for the MTA program is. Why do you care if it doesn't affect you? If it does affect you and you don't like it then leave to one of the other quality options avalible in the twin cities area.
Fact is; In the past,well funded MTA Blue players try out for CC premiere teams to leverage scholorships from MTA/Bangu. ODP needs to get the best 16 players at each age , regardless of income. ODP is not a camp, there is no teaching.All players should be high quality.
6:43 MYSA looks at ODP in terms of profit and loss. There are no freebies.. IW claims they lose money. Where does the 800 dollars per kid go.95s have 40+-,94s ,93s, 92s,91s , all around 20,do the math. Coaches must do very well.
My kid played ODP five years. Made the B pool several times. Won regionals one year and finished third at nationals. Now playing in college. When asked was ODP worth it the answer was no.
From a parents perspective I thought it was over priced and over rated.
So, looking at Girls U13C1 east, with one game left, CTG and MTE are tied for first. They tied both times they played. CTG has 36GF and 9 GA for a +27. MTE has 30 GF and 4 GA for a +26. If both teams win by +3 tonight, does CTG get the automatic Premier spot?
No, they played once before AAG and once after. As an expert you should know that's how soccer goes. USA gets blown out by Brazil 3-0 the first time and then one week later Brazil has to rally to beat them 3-2. Soccer is a funny game.
If both teams win by three here , as is expected (MTA plays REV 2 and REV 1 plays Valley) The whole season and an automatic premier birth will go down to PK's.
Here are the other Automatic Premier Promotions and the play in possibilities for the final two spots.
East: Cottage Grove has tie breaker edge MTE 12's likely second.
North: MTA White is in, North Metro second.
West: EP is in, Edina second.
South: Tied between MTA Blue and REV 1.
Predictions for the two second place teams who will earn the final two spots: 1. MTA Blue or Rev. 2. Edina.
Wouldn't be completely surprised to see Edina and North Metro lose in districts however due to more parity among the competing teams in each district. Both teams have struggled to score. If that happened it looks like MTA Blue/Rev would play MTA 12's and both teams would advance.
I am happy to hear about the tie breaker at U15P. It just didn't make sense to move three teams down.I really wish that just one team would move down, but the rule in place was already that two would move down in the event of a tie. When is the tournament to take place?
at the end of the day the people who have money should help pay for the ones that dont have the money. It happens in ODP, it happens in HS (kids on free and reduced lunch at most HS play for free,) and it happens at club soccer. I understand the problem is your kid gets less time, less development, and less opportunity and you are paying for someone else. At the end of the day its real world politics. Chose what you want to do and how you want your kids to learn. Just make sure you are never the one asking for help.
DS will be coaching the U 17 MTA girls, its a done deal I promise you and if they get all the players they become a National contender. A lot of people will say he wins becasue he gets the good players, very true, but ask the players what he has done for them, they will all tell you he is a great coach, the ones who wont are the ones who were not good enough, we all know how that works. GO TO MTA
national contender?? who are all these players they are missing that will take a MN state cup semi-finalist up to the levels you are talking about. DS is an outstanding coach but not a miracle worker.
826, Thanks for the warning But I'm ANONYMOUS why do I care if there is hell to pay! 817's kid plays for the white team anyway. Oh, and to answer your question I believe the young lady plays up for the Woodbury 17's Inferno.
Weekend is always the way to go, especially this year, where weekend conflicts with districts, meaning few MN teams signed up. Teams that play in State and the USA Cup week are fried by the time they reach State.
Hey 3:18, learn to read. 8:51 did not say she was an MTA player they said WOODBURY INFERNO.
If you have been around, you might realize this is referring to a u16 who has been to the national camp and performed well. Though I heard she had surgery recently.
The top true U16 jumped ship from MTA to Woodbury last year...she'll be back at MTA for next summer. So will the top EP player...it's a done deal. MTA U17's will be a force in 2010.
JE is supposedly coaching EP U17 next year with OS and others coming over and TU staying with her team. There is an informational meeting about the team already scheduled.
DS is coaching MTA U17 girls next year he contact my daughter and others to let them know. We are going with MTA and DS. I hope the rest of the age group does too because it could be a really good group.
Looking at DS's track record of getting his players into D1 schools on scholarships it would be foolish not to play for him, improve =your game and most likely get a few great offers from D1 schools.
Given your argument 11:11, I would say you made a great case for SSM attendance?
All of you who are talking about next year's U17s- it seems to be wishful thinking on everyone's part. First off, let's discuss the players in question.
1) The one dimensional attack of EP is laughable. All they are is a carbon copy of the West Des Moines team the Inferno have been playing all these years. Over the top to the "horse" doesn't last.
2) The Inferno are alright, but again don't have what it takes to make it at the Regional level. They seem to be sliding backward over time. Maybe commitment level of players is dropping off as they get older (this tends to happen).
3) MTA has no chance outside of trading up for three/four high quality players. I have seen many of the top teams/players at this age, and there aren't enough horses out there that are likely to assist MTA.
I have a lot of respect for both TU and OS. I am not sure that the respect level will be as high if I see them start "club jumping" to find Nirvana.
For Anon 6:16 Here's the word on WH from Inside MN Soccer http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/ I don't know the guy But IMHO this seems like a very interesting move Good luck to him
OS can't stay with the Inferno forever. They will all be seniors this fall (with the potential for "senioritis" plus they have all D1 committed so also potential for complacency). Must have been some reason for her to have left MTA in the first place.
Apparently JE/EP has offered the assistant coaching position to the guy MTA first asked to coach the MTA team and declined. Look for it to happen; that would be a powerful staff leading that team if it becomes reality. Look for 5-6 players to join as well.
LOL, everyone is talking about EP/MTA and if my memory serves me correctly wasn't it Wayzata that beat them both to win State Cup? However, if the Inferno kid stays at U17 for next year she will tip the balance of power to wherever she goes (look what happened to MTA when she left).
2:36 - I hope what you are reporting isn't just hearsay or rumor as that is a pretty heavy accusation. Unless he is helping out on the boys side-which is at a different location, last time I looked he wasn't even on the RII staff (see link).
The shake out at the upcoming year's girls U17 over the next few weeks should really be interesting with lots of potential scenarios playing out. Who's coaching what team? Who's going where?, etc.... The key will be if the Inferno kid plays U17 next year. If she goes with JE to EP, expect others to follow.
Question regarding Premier promotion and relegation: my daughter is on a u14c1 team that is trying to be promoted to Premier (u15). The MTA team currently at u14 will be relegated presumably opening a spot. In reading the rules, it looks like the MTA u14 Blue team that played won their MRL league and finished 2nd in State Cup technically receives a spot based on that criteria. Does that mean that there is no spot? Would they relegate another team like Tonka which is next to last? Or are we SOL?
Is there a % roster rule for the MRL team that plays premier? Obviously the Blue team is NOT going to play MN premier league, but I understand MTA will want the spot.
Question is, will another MTA White team do better than the 0-9-1posted by the U14W team? Who would try out for that?
the club owns the status so they could have anyone they want. i dont see it being a 7 team league though, they would have to change the rules at the AGM to do so
1054: Why is it obvious that the Blue team will not play MN Premier League? With ECNL, they will not do MRL. If they don't do league play or MRL, how could they enter State Cup?
12:37 Good point. I always heard the Blue teams were too good to play in Minnesota. Looking at the U14 Premier teams this past season, only two had positive goal differentials. Not much of a challenge for the Blue team.
It's an interesting position for the u14 Blue mta (for those who care). They aren't good enough to win state cup in a weak bracket but they are either the first or second best team in the state on any given day. the rest of the u14 teams are below average. they won first division premier (arguably against weaker teams) and not get to venture out to MRL Premier. Frankly (no offense) if they win a game they should consider it an accomplishment (Burnsville -their peer - couldnt win a game at regionals). Now they are contemplating playing some national league with potentially even greater competition (and cost) and frankly really can't see how they will be competitive (unless they get new players). so it seems like this team will spend a lot of money, travelling around the US with the net result of finding not much competition in state and too much outstate. i get the idea of challegning oneself to be better but i also dont pick fights with brock lesnar
I have heard of many top MTA or old Bangu players who left the club to play up on other teams in the last couple years. Several from the current U14 MTA team left and other age groups also. That doesn't help when trying top build a strong team. Any ideas on why top players would leave the program? I wouldn't think it would be money buy the amount of scholarships that they have.
150, I can think of two players who left MTA/Bangu in the last two years, I'm not sure if it was the last year or the year before but trust me when I say they were some of the top players. I will not name them. Who says they are weaker older teams.
2:14 - understood, you referenced the U14 age group and unless they went to either of the MTA U15 Blue or White teams then I would question the decision.
1:38 and 2:14 sounds like you are the same old CC DOC trying to influence others away from MTA/Bangu or worse-someone who thinks they are the only soccer parent who can think.
Lots of players go to other clubs, some move away, some decide they don't want to work that hard/often. Some are not good enough to stay, but too good to go to CC's at their own age. Some just plain like it better elsewhere-get over it. Look out for your child and quit worrying about everyone else's decisions.
4:04 - ???? Not sure what you are trying to say, but IMO what I believe is that unless a U14 player from the top U14 team went to one of the top two U15 teams then I would question their decision unless it was for logistical reasons. IMO (and you can kindly disagree) the caliber of who you are training with is a huge component of the developmental process, and IMO (and you can kindly disagree) there is a big drop off in overall team skill/ability at the U15 level after the top two teams. That does not mean that there are not other excellent players out there, but the overall depth on the other teams is lacking. I base this on the fact that as U13-U15, these two teams have always been head and shoulders above the rest of that age group. But to each there own.
The current U14 Blues or are you comparing last year's U13 team? My understanding is this year's U14 Blue team as well as the Burnsville team were much better than any U13 team that came out of that age group the year before. A lot can change at those early years. Sounds more like you are trying to justify a decision you made (or are going to make) for your DD.......
the teams in the u14 blues first divison league were much weaker than any other group. if they dont split up this year, they will have a very tough time competing in the mrl premiere. its a shame the way the powers that be , trashed the mta whites.
So Cottage Grove and the MTA White team get automatic premier slots and the MTA Blue team has to go the playoff route - you've got to love MYSA's sense of humor.
the greatest irony is coming! abboud's u12 vs kasaa u13 in the regional playoffs with the winner going on to state and likely premier. the loser will not make the final 6 and likely won't make premier. here comes shootout number 2 in 2 weeks! you cant make it up!
by the way, that will be south playoff winner (MTA Blue) versus east playoff winner (MTA 97e) at 7/22 at 500 pm in shakopee. anyone hear who has been pre-determined for that one!!??
10:13 and 10:18 - These teams need to go through districts and then state first. Remember, this is summer soccer and these are 12/13 year old girls and anything can happen. Also, not sure what is meant by shootout number 2 in 2 weeks. When was shootout number 1?
My kids are excited about the Elite Club National League or ECNL. If you are not familiar. Its basically the Academy that is on the boys side. Top competition guaranteed on the girls side with amazing exposure to the top University and the top National staff coaches. This is unprecedented in women's sport in this country. Good for MTA's U15-U18 teams. I know I am excited and can't wait to learn more. WOW!!! Finally something in MN soccer we can get excited about! I also heard that they have all but a few of the top clubs in the country and the ECNL has committments from 4 more from CA-S and TX-N and they believe that only on or two more club is all they need to have the best 48 in the country. This is legit I talked to DS, go figure that he is there, that all this is true.
Looks like MYSA has another controversy where one club team was willing to lose a game so a sister team could win the championship.
This happened when the MTA South team played the Dakota02 team Tuesday. The Dakota team made minimal effort to win the game- just keep the MTA team from scoring three goals. The Dakota team was packing in their defense while down 2-0, with less than fifteen minutes left in the game. The Dakota team went wild cheering when the final whistle blew with a 2-0 loss, allowing the Dakota Rev team to win on GF-GA.
One team willing to lose so their sister team could advance. Same net outcome as MTA12 vs MTA13 in State Cup.
Will MYSA do anything? Will the Dakota Rev team be stripped of their title and MTA and Prior Lake play for the title?
12:12 It is clear you are with MTA. There is lots of things in MN to get excited about, just not much of it is attached to MTA. State Cup U-13 scandal Cook kicked out of ODP for recruiting (allegedly). sub par performance by many MTA teams (based on the teams own expectations). A pro team in the tank. Now the team that is "3 goals better than anyone in MN" (Larry) can't score +3 on a .500 team when they really need it to gain the south district title and a premier spot.
The list goes on. But don't say there is nothing to get excited about in MN, I am hearing of several teams and clubs stepping it up big time with an expansion of opportunities for the kids in their clubs. Better training, expansion into Midwest league,High end National Tournaments etc.
Maybe a better statement for your comments would be "finally something AT MTA to get excited about." Lets all hope MTA keeps their nose clean and does do well in this new league. Leagues such as this have come and gone who knows if they will have the legs to survive. Time will Tell but in this economy it can be real tough to get the across the board financial buy in for such excessive travel.
actually 7:11, I believe 7:04 has a point. If it had been a MTA 2nd team playing a top DREV, WDB, EP, etc... team to a 2-0 score which would have allowed the top MTA team to advance are you trying to tell me there wouldn't have been quite a few accusations about it on this blog?
MTA trying very hard not to lose players with their recent marketing efforts. Rumor has it if they lose 1 team (U15, 15, or 17) in the league the club gets bumped out of the league. I hope they remember their own credo: Players are not possessions.
Can anyone from MTA provide information on the estimated price tag for a player for a year (u15 - 19) in ECNL? Has an overview on the commitment (travel and financial) been laid out? My guess with training, coaches fees, league fees, travel it will be in the $5k - $7k range but I could be a mile off. Please no stupid comments.
704am : If Dak2 played the game, then there is no need to get your undies in a bind. Nothing even close to the MTA 12 and 13 deal. Move on- MTA is not what they claim to be!
8:36 - the ECNL costs aren't any different than current costs as they would be attending the same tournaments. A high level team at MTA that trains year round 3-4 times per week and participates in MRL while attending 3-4 out of state tournaments (options include final four/casl, disney, presidents, vegas, blue chip, surf cup, etc..) would usually run in the range you mention. That would include all player transportation, meals, and accommodations. They provide a spreadsheet with everything broken down.
The costs are what they are and would be no different if the team was from WDB, EP, SCV, etc... and did the exact same thing. Some clubs might have a slight advantage if they have access to the community dome during winter training season.
902: What did Dak2 do wrong? They played the game and lost. Just a heads up on MN soccer... most teams pack it in to keep a game close. Nothing new there. MTA should have put a few more goals in and they didn't - that is a fact! Do you really think Dak2 would have won that game? You are all grabbing at straws here.
9:07 - THANK YOU!!!! That goes for boys and girls teams, MTA or CC! People, for heavens sake, please open your eyes to this! I am a current MTA from a former CC. What the CC's try to hide (or just not share up front) are those additional travel and lodging fees. For a Premier level team (that will actually compete) it requires at least 3-4 nights year round (you WILL be asked to pay more in addition to the check you wrote at the beginning of the season for more coach time, dome time, futsol leagues, GK training, etc). Why don't the CC's tell the total cost at tryouts? They often have no clue which of their teams (which vary greatly in both time & talent) will go to out-state tournaments, and because of that they have no idea on lodging and airfare if needed. As a parent, you need to be aware of the level of play/team committment you are getting into.
And please, if your daughter or son is playing C1/C2/C3, please don't bash the $$ amounts the Premier + teams are paying (be they MTA or CC)...if you want your child be able to play and compete at that level, then make the committment (both time & $$). If you haven't figured it out already, life is not fair. Your C2 player is not going to win State Cup...just be happy that they (hopefully) are enjoying their coaching and team environment. If not, then help them figure out what they need to do as a player to go to next level and enjoy the game.
I can't believe some of these posts. Dak02 played their hearts out--gave it 100%. There is absolutely no comparison between a team throwing a game in penalty kicks and a true end score of 0-2. MTA should have scored another goal. Dako2 played a great defensive game.
10:37 - per 8:36's original post roughly $5K-$7K per year.
Out of state tournaments (like Disney or Las Vegas) add up pretty fast: Entry Fee - $750 (divided by 18 is $40) Air - $300-$400 Hotel (minimum of 3 nights) - if 4 players to a room is close to $100 per player Transportation (rental cars/parking) - mimumum of $60 Food - $25/day on average Coaches costs - add up all their travel costs and divide by 18
Even with a $300 airfare (harder and harder to find), 4 players to a room (not all that easy with fully grown 16-18 year olds), van with multiple players, reasonable food costs, etc.... any out of state tournament costs each individual player a minimum of $675 (and more likely closer to $800). Some MRL weekends are a bit cheaper if teams can carpool due to proximity.
Add it up 3-4 out of states, 2-3 MRL weekends, etc....
Someone out there will say their club is substantially less, but once you compare apples-to-apples, everyone is pretty much the same (unless some club gets free tournament entry fees, free air travel, free hotels, walks to the games, doesn't eat, etc...).
11:05 Nicely done. The only thing I think you forgot was that generally most parents want to see their kid play. Therefore costs change to Air - $700-$1000 Hotel (minimum of 3 nights) - $300+ Transportation (rental cars/parking) - mimumum of $60 Food - $50+/day on average
11:12 - agreed, especially at the younger ages. Most parents tend to pick and choose a bit as the kids get older, but then others might have never missed a game (which is cool unless they then complain about how expensive things are - and unfortunately there are those parents out there).
You say what DKT did (with their coaching director coaching the team that would benefit from a non 3 goal game) is not the same as the MTA PK issue? To me they BOTH go against the spirit of the game. Both games were played with the betterment of one team in their club's in mind. DKT2 played the game? Yeah, right. Seems to me that the MTA 12s took their PKs too and "played" the game.
What will MYSA do here, that is the question. They come down hard on MTA and MA, will DKT slide through this unscathed?
Smurf, where are you? You going to come on here and say DKT2 didn't try to keep the game close for the benefit of your top team? I heard the losing girls were celebrating like they won a huge tournament.
I don't like where youth soccer is going in this state.
Anonymous said... 11:05 Nicely done. The only thing I think you forgot was that generally most parents want to see their kid play. Therefore costs change to Air - $700-$1000 Hotel (minimum of 3 nights) - $300+ Transportation (rental cars/parking) - mimumum of $60 Food - $50+/day on average
But, what price is you son or daughter worth????
14/7/09 11:12 AM
Question is, who is this training for? You or your child?? Traveling by themselves is part of the growing side of elite soccer. Mommy and Daddy shouldnt be traveling to all tournaments. Stay home and mow the yard, shovel the neighbors walk, ask the club if you can wash the DOC's laundry while they are away.
Anonymous said... Can anyone from MTA provide information on the estimated price tag for a player for a year (u15 - 19) in ECNL? Has an overview on the commitment (travel and financial) been laid out? My guess with training, coaches fees, league fees, travel it will be in the $5k - $7k range but I could be a mile off. Please no stupid comments.
14/7/09 8:36 AM 5-10k is the range, if you or mamma do not go to every out of state event it will be much cheaper.
12:01 - I agree, but try telling that to all the parents who watch every practice, talk to the coach 3-4 times/week, go to every game, etc... I believe the optimal terminology is "helicopter".
Anon 11:21--There is absolutely no comparison...This game last night was not like a Dak02 vs Dak01 game in which the Daok02 team went through the steps of PK's but didn't play to win...This was a Dakota Rev vs MTA game. Shame on MTA for not having their other teams at the game to support MTA. This just shows that the teams within MTA don't support each other. There is no gray area here. MTA should have scored 3 goals for a fair win. There were several attempts to score goals by the Dak02 team-this was a clean game and a fair win.
LOL - not having other teams there? I think Dak01 had a bit of interest in the game.
The one comment that I have (and I don't have a U13 child) is that if the roles had been reversed we would have read quite a few comments from not just DREV folks but others about MTA "ethics & morality".
i asked the question on the costs. thanks for the response. the two things I gleaned are it is not much more than normal costs and not much more than if an cc premier team did the same thing (naturally). the only drawback I see is that there are less 'local' chances to see your own kid play. i think it is a great program (ECNL) for the truly elite player but to be honest, i would guarantee most of the players will be really good but not elite. again, the fact that not a single MN team really had any success at regionals shows that 'elite' is a relative term. this may be the best situation to play the highest level available competition but that alone doesn't make the player or team elite. i am bashing it for those people it is appropriate for but it seems a whole lot easier and accessible to just follow the mn premierr/state cup route. really do ep, burnsville, wayzata, woodbury really not have access to the same level of tournaments and competition as state cup champs? there may be a few instances but in the grand scheme it seems like this would appeal to a small select audience. thanks for the info I hope the program is a success and that MN can produce some competitive teams
Another take could simply be congratulations to Dakota Rev for building enough depth in their CC program to have 2 competitive teams at the same age group. I vaguely recall that this vaunted blue team was '3 goals better than anyone else in the state'. sounds like they are only 2 goals better than the kids that couldn't make the Rev top team when it was formed. 'it ain't braggin if you can back it up, but if you can't back it up, you're nothing but a fool'
A lot of talk about MTA DKT game, but I bet none of the bloggers has a daughter on the MTA teams being spoken about, except maybe the person who reported that the "losing" DKT team cheered like they won.
Sounds odd. Is that what DKT is teaching their "second" team? Are they just paying the bills for the "first" team. Yep, I think you are hypocrits. If MTA did this it would be a scandal that should be penalized. If MTA had their white team cheer on a loss, they would be accused of poor sportsmanship, and not accomplishing their goals of winning, hmmm
DKT teaches their 2nd,3rd ect..teams to play their best at each game which is what DKT02 did last night. Maybe they should have sat back and let MTA win by 3. It makes no sense. Stop crying about your "win" by 2 goals.
Not apples to apples. Do you not get it??? Dakota Rev did not play it's "sister" team in a game and throw it... Dakota Rev played a completely different club and played their hardest. MTA had so many shots on goal it was hard to keep track of. It is no ones fault but their own that they could not score 3 goals on this team, they had many, many chances.
12:01,12:09 Supporting your kid and their team,coach etc, is a parents responsibility. Who are you sending your kids off with for 3-4 days? I have met alot of parents, coaches , who dont necessarily have my kids best interest in mind. Read the papers. Soccer weekends are many families "cabin up north". Whats wrong with attending your kids away college games. Grand kids soccer matches. Its a cynical world.
12:52 Athena Futbol club was created by the former EP U16 Premier Girls coach and since they are a new club, they are only forming C1 teams at the age groups in which MYSA allows self selection.
2:33 - no one would disagree with you. I guess where many parents cross the line (IMO) is defining "supportive" as being over-involved. Too many parents are over night soccer "experts". How many parents go to their kids school to monitor their history class to insure little landon/mia is learning properly?
Interesting News MTA U17 has called a meeting to stop players from leaving or start recruiting on June 16 8:30 pm. The night the ODP bus returns at St Thomas University. Run by MC & DS Now Let talk ethics and Morals
The shake out at the upcoming year's girls U17 over the next few weeks should really be interesting with lots of potential scenarios playing out. Who's coaching what team? Who's going where?, etc.... The key will be if the Inferno kid plays U17 next year. If she goes with JE to EP, expect others to follow.
2:33 Overnight soccer experts, start coaching their dds team for a couple years, get into board positions,become grand pubbas(club presidents) ,snowballing mini-power. Its really too bad that parents can t get more comfortable just watching good soccer, learn to appreciate good coaches,players,without trying to manipulate things they know nothing about.
I heard from a reliable source that the ENCL fees for the tournaments the teams will be attending are more than the usual cost for these tournaments. They have to make money somehow.
Danny told me, seems to be an honest guy, that the id2 program was going to include u17 and today they decided its not. He told me he had told people that it was going to but he said it changed and he stands corrected. Just the younger ones but what an amazing program it will be. We all know ODP is dying and dying quickly. The states do not send all of their best kids, numbers are down in Region II. And the cost to be the MN # 6 player and never get a look. It cracks me up that all the ODP coaches stand around and pat themselves on the back for what a great camp and the kids HATE it. At least my kids does. LOL
i was watching the rev,mta,u13 game and have read some of the comments.yes,the rev team was a .500 team, they cheered because holding the mta team to 2 goals was a good accomplishment and they did not give up during the game like certain other teams.if you saw the goals that went in,the first won was a simple goalie error through the hands,wasnt even a hard shot,the second goal was a earned goal for mta.if the keeper hadnt made an error the game would of ended 1 to 1.sounds like mta is mad that they didnt get the premier spot,but thats thier own fault for underestimating another teams chances.arogance got the best of them.nothing wrong for cheering a loss.if you are a 500 team and hold that mta to 2 goals,one a gaolie error,and have the game they did,thats good improvement.somtimes you cheer the way the girls play and not the outcome, make a positive out of a negative somtimes.mta has nothing to blame but themselves. they thought they would put the game away, the other team new they were the underdogs, and mta failed to do what they needed,they will have to wait another year to move out of c1 and maybee next time they wont underestimate their opponent.really mta only "earned 1 goal" in that game, the first was a goalie error on a week ball that should of been a routine catch. as some one stated earlier in the comments, mta did not have that many shots on net.rev goalie made about 5 good saves, 7 shots on net and a few that missed the net alltogether.rev defense did really well.mta outskilled the rev,rev mostly outhustled mta,and towards the end a rew mta defenders fell on their own due to fatigue.sounds like that if mta doesnt get their way its everybody elses fault.if you dont get what you want,you probably didnt due what you needed to do and thats only their fault.
why would the mta coach during the recent mta,rev game" this conversation was over heard" tell the refs at halftime that he wants them to watch the rev because they may stall and waste time in the second half? mta was the ones constantly defensively sending ball out of bounds all game.the rev kept pressing, if mta cant due what they need why do they always try to bend rules or infuence outcomes or decisions during a match, just for once please shut the up and let your team play and if it doesnt go your way,take it like a man" or woman" just like thousands of other coaches.
There is no controversy. MTA will earn their Premier spot going through district/regional play. MYSA had a director at the Rev2 vs MTA game because they thought they would have to talk to the MTA coach about a shootout with REV1 (to determine district champion). Obviously this conversation wasn't needed because of the outcome of the game. The Rev girls played their hearts out and the MTA girls had "one of those games". If you are around the sport long enough you know what I mean. Sometimes one team has many scoring chances but just can't close the deal. Also this REV2 team only gave up 3 goals twice all season (Prior Lake and REV1) they are a very good defensive team.
Now who gets the final two Premier spots? MTA Blue (13), MTE Blue (12's), North Metro, or Edina?
if i understand the draw correctly, mta lue 13 and blue 12 can't both get it they play each other as 'league' winners and only one of the 2 can make it to the state tournament. i could be wrong because this new mysa system is confusing (go figure)
Both can get in if Edina and North Metro lose in the "league playoffs" and do not advance to the "Regional playoffs". The Two MTA teams would then be the highest finishing second place teams in the Playoff series.
ECNL will have all the top girls teams and if you are in the ECNL the top 40 clubs with the exception of just a few will be the teams you play. If you are not in the ECNL you do not get to play any of those clubs. The few that are missing are coming on board for 2010.
The finals event in Seattle will be an awesome place for recruiting all the teams will be at the event. Every team goes and some will play for promotion some to not get relegated and some for the Natl Championship.
Plus id2, now just for younger as someone mentioned DS told them now its just younger and it was going to be all of them.
8:33 - I've looked at the club list (very solid) and also looked at who the MTA teams are scheduled to play (IMO the most important part and the info is all available) and except for the current U15's (MA's old team-now MC's team), I'm not overly impressed. Here's the U17 schedule for next year:
Here's the GotSoccer rankings for the teams that next year's U17 MTA's will be playing (as always please take any rankings for what they are worth). #17 Albertson Fury (a very good team) #84 Birmingham United #100 FC Virginia #173 Pleasonton Rage #198 FSA Soccer Plus #231 CESA Premier #348 Freestate #371 Virginia Rush #605 Atlanta Fire
If these are all the "top" girls teams then I would hate to see the "bottom" girls teams.
Bottom line - "A" bracket=very good teams, "B" bracket=not so good (MRL Premier is actually stronger).
Sounds like MTA is making a hard push, to the point of crossing ethical boundries, to get the top u17s to be from WZA and EP, amongst others.
Time for the current MTA u16 blues who aren't on the ODP state team to start looking for tryouts at other clubs, as MTA is working hard to replace them. Current white team players need not apply.
10:31PM aka Smurf, why didn't you sign your post? =)
And why would any talented player want to move to a CC team at the 17 age group? That club (regardless of what you think of the coach) cannot hope to give the collegiate exposure to the girls that ECNL can give. And let's face it - exposure is key for this type of player at this age group.
From what I can determine, I believe the ECNL will be a good program/league/format (key words are "will be"). It will be very good for the current U14's & U15's and for the even younger ages when they hit the first year of eligibility.
IMO, if 8:59 is accurate, not a good program for the current U16's due to competiton level.
10:08 - you might want to look at where the WDB Inferno players have committed to, and BTW, EP will also be at all the same tournaments (as well as Disney).
1015 I believe that is the point as the team you mention traveled extensively. They are a CC team in name only with as varied a roster geographically as any MTA team.
Shocking Fact: 9 out of the top 10 teams in the U17 age group next year (according to NSR ) are NOT in the ECNL. 70% of the top 50 teams nationally (by NSR) are NOT in the ECNL.
EP has a better shot of playing quality teams by not being the league out of pure luck.
MTA is locked into the poor teams they are playing. Kind of sad to pay all that money for a guarenteed poor schedule.
EP will be more like Inferno (core of players from EP supplemented by outside talent) in composition and less like a CC.
Oh and their coach will be able to coach at regionals. And they won't be investigated by USYS and MYSA for unethical recruiting which is currently in motion. The last time USYS addressed this (recruiting at ODP) the Chicago Magic coach got a 1-year suspension from ALL coaching.
I thought Wayzata was the top team at U16. Why are they not in the discussion as a destination for top players that are willing to dump their current teammates?
Just a non political question -- there is a young player, LM, who was playing up with the 93 and 94 ODP's, plays on the U15MTA team - quite a player. She is not listed in any of the ODP pools. Injured?
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Two MTA U14 Blue players in B pool
An interesting question:
What percentage of MTA Blue players are on scholarship?
Compare that to the percentage of MTA White, Green, Pink, Red and Orange players who are on scholarship, and you'll see why MTA needs to make the promises they do to the lower-level players and parents. The "pro" team in town has no ability to support the large number of Blue scholarship players, so guess who does?
If you're not outstanding AND poor and want to play for MTA, grab your checkbook.
8:50,
And you know all this because...
8:50 Why so bitter? Are you having trouble making ends meet? Is your child losing field time to a more skilled player? Just because that player's parents can't afford fees, doesn't mean that your child is a better athlete or soccer player.
might be some scholarship kids on the boys side (but even then not a ton), but very, very few on the girls side.
Jeeez, all this talk about poor families and players. You all need to take a look in the mirror. Why are you all so better than everyone else? I would take a blue collar player any day over a golden spooned kid!! Just because of this selfishness and ugly crap you people are posting. Hey, if you dont like the rules, then freaking quit and go do something else with your time just like Ms Palin did.
nothing like shattered parental dreams to fire up some hostilities.....
Yea, the richies always have to have an excuse is the way Im reading it. So why not kick dirt on someone that is already down.
A majority of the scholarships are on the boys side. They had a raffle during the winter months to help raise money for about $60,000 shortage in scholarships. The total bill was around $100,000 in scholarships from what I heard at the time. 850 you are correct!!
An interesting question:
What percentage of MTA Blue players are on scholarship?
8:50
A better question: Why does it matter?
It might just be a parent that your sitting next too is on scholarship. Its none of your business.
Minnesota soccer is mediocre because we have mediocre coaches. Number and quality of players has been increasing for several years but you got the same ol overrated coaches. The future?? You're screwed because the coaching situation won't change anytime soon.
Your best option is to find another sport.
8/7 12:09
you're correct. It is a business and that's what's wrong with youth soccer in Minnesota. You're probably one of the freeloaders.In youth soccer you should get what you pay for. Pro soccer is a different situation.
Clubs books are supposed to be open to the parents of the players.
Tried for three years to get a look. Didn't happen,won't happen.
Wonder what the directors are hiding?
850, just stated a fact and you all go into defensive mode questioning his kids skill level if he or she even has one in the race.
Tips on How to make a Blue Team during tryouts!!
1) Have multiple kids playing soccer for MTA. Skill level is not as important as the ability to pay all your fees.
2) Let Coach know that you are only interested in playing if your kid makes the top team. If they are a bubble player this gives them the edge over someone who parents haven't made the same statement.
3) Make donations!!
4) It's also who you know!!
If you don't believe me get to know current Blue Player parents well and they will eventually open up about how in the "H - E double toothpicks" the bottom players ever made the top team over some other kids.
1224, There is extra fluff built into every thing they charge you for. I believe they have close to 8 paid positions in the club and much money needed for all the scholarships. They won't let you see the books because you would see where all the money is really going and that your fees really don't need to be so high.
Just reviewed the Lightning's stats.
CS apparently doesn't need the future all american's assists. This is the player who was a no show during state cup where MTA 91 shut down the vaunted SSM offense 2 to zip.
The Lightning has some good players but they'd be lucky to win a couple games w/o CS. That's just the way it is.
CS o CC?
Let's be honest, except for Chicago and Indiana, MTA 91 (and most likely SSM U18's as well) would beat up the rest of the teams in the league (Kalamazoo?, Ft. Wayne?, W. Michigan?).
Its too bad that DS didnt know who to face guard (ala Basketball)at Regionals when they were beat by Elite 5-OH-ch
Wow, who is better, Kirby Puckett or Johnny Bench?? Disel or Koby?? Sir Fran or Chuck Forman?
dang it 1:14, you made me lose my over/under bet on when someone (most likely always you) would bash DS. i gave you the benefit of the doubt at 2.5 days and you came in way earlier. from here on out i'll be taking the "under" in that betting pool.....
Do you really think MTA is the only club that has "fluff" or additional cost for club administration? Wow, wake up.
I guess you forgot about the DKT REV DOC pay checks, and SCV extras and virtually every other club. And guess what, I'm not knocking the CC's, they do a great job too, but you all need to wake up.
Again, it sounds like people who are hearing that it is expensive to play for MTA, but don't have any analyzation or math skills.
It is expensive, mostly because of the extra indoor training, and the travel to bigger better tournaments.
My son has played at CC's and now is with MTA. If it was not for the additional travel, this year was no more expensive than the CC we were at.
repeat after me.......
"they are MTA, they must be ripped"
"they are MTA, they must be ripped"
"they are MTA, they must be ripped"
kind of sounds like there are kool-aid drinkers on both sides of the NTA discussion.
REV dock is paid by money generated from tournament. He also works full time as a teacher. No need to ask each player to pay an extra $200
It's hard to be committed to a club that tells me at mid-season that I need to kick in more money to pay for the two scholarship players they found (and yes, they took my kid's place on the field).
Repeat after me: "MTA is always looking for your replacement."
We're going back to our CC.
We're going back "home" too, after I did a little math. Step 1, calculate all we paid for our "white experience." Step 2, multiply that number by 16 (players) to determine a total team budget. Step 3, (after subtracting coaching, dome, uniforms, and training) wonder where the money went.
I have to think I helped support players who weren't even on our team, and it makes me sick to think we supported players on the team we wanted to be on.
The grass isn't always greener.
3:56 go ask where the other money went, have some guts-can you say passive aggressive.
Most likely, they are keeping the extra so they will not have $0 in the account when domes and tournaments need money next year.
No money is changing from whites to blues, get over it.
MTA is an elite club, the top team will always have changes, just like any other club, and any other sport. If you thought playing for the second, (or third) team would get you anything more than training with new players, and a new coach you are very naive.
I asked twice. No answer. That said, I do like your last paragraph...it should be printed in bold on the top of every MTA recruiting brochure and ad:
"MTA is an elite club, the top team will always have changes, just like any other club, and any other sport. If you thought playing for the second, (or third) team would get you anything more than training with new players, and a new coach you are very naive."
Well said, 4:07. May I quote you as an MTA source?
oh no!!!! my kid isn't going to be a star!!! who can I blame!!! It's everyone else's fault that I personally am not have the gratitude of living vicariously through him/her.
this time of the year alwasy cracks me up.
for every player 12-16 on a MTA team that leaves there are another 6 hoping to take their place.
Most well run clubs build a reserve fund. It would be irresponsible for the leadership not too. Life is full of the unexpected and without a reserve fund how do you get through that "rainy day" ? assesments? thats not a great solution. Also remember included in all club fees are league fees, insurance, professional services ie:legal and accounting, as well as several other costs that any well run organization needs to operate. And YES scholarships are, and should be IMO a part of everyones registration fees. NO I am NOT with MTA. Yes I do believe they are a higher cost option, but if you all want to play for them and are aware of the costs associated with it then go for it. I am continually amazed at the number of people who care what the cost for the MTA program is. Why do you care if it doesn't affect you? If it does affect you and you don't like it then leave to one of the other quality options avalible in the twin cities area.
Fact is;
In the past,well funded MTA Blue players try out for CC premiere teams to leverage scholorships from MTA/Bangu. ODP needs to get the best 16 players at each age , regardless of income. ODP is not a camp, there is no teaching.All players should be high quality.
6:43
MYSA looks at ODP in terms of profit and loss. There are no freebies.. IW claims they lose money. Where does the 800 dollars per kid go.95s have 40+-,94s ,93s, 92s,91s , all around 20,do the math. Coaches must do very well.
My kid played ODP five years. Made the B pool several times. Won regionals one year and finished third at nationals. Now playing in college. When asked was ODP worth it the answer was no.
From a parents perspective I thought it was over priced and over rated.
http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/
"Andrei Gotsmanov to Sign With Minnesota Thunder"
Harrison to United Arab Emirates.
From the prairie to the desert.
So, looking at Girls U13C1 east, with one game left, CTG and MTE are tied for first. They tied both times they played. CTG has 36GF and 9 GA for a +27. MTE has 30 GF and 4 GA for a +26. If both teams win by +3 tonight, does CTG get the automatic Premier spot?
10:32 - yes. GF is the first tiebreaker. The only other time these teams have played was at AAG where MTE won 4-1.
odd that they'd tie twice in league play if MTE was 3 goals better at AAG. CTG must have gotten better faster since then.
No, they played once before AAG and once after. As an expert you should know that's how soccer goes. USA gets blown out by Brazil 3-0 the first time and then one week later Brazil has to rally to beat them 3-2. Soccer is a funny game.
Tlk about tie breakers look at the U-13 girls South league, you can'y get any closer than that!
South Girls U13 Classic 1
Schedules/Scores | Contacts | Common Questions |
Name %Pts
Pts
Wins
Losses
Ties
GF
GA
Play-Offs
MTA01 MN THUNDER ELITE 96 BLUE 92.6
25
8
0
1
25
2
Yes
DKT01 Girls U13 C1 - Dokken 92.6
25
8
0
1
25
2
Yes
If both teams win by three here , as is expected (MTA plays REV 2 and REV 1 plays Valley) The whole season and an automatic premier birth will go down to PK's.
Here are the other Automatic Premier Promotions and the play in possibilities for the final two spots.
East: Cottage Grove has tie breaker edge MTE 12's likely second.
North: MTA White is in, North Metro second.
West: EP is in, Edina second.
South: Tied between MTA Blue and REV 1.
Predictions for the two second place teams who will earn the final two spots:
1. MTA Blue or Rev.
2. Edina.
Wouldn't be completely surprised to see Edina and North Metro lose in districts however due to more parity among the competing teams in each district. Both teams have struggled to score. If that happened it looks like MTA Blue/Rev would play MTA 12's and both teams would advance.
At U15P the three teams that tied at 14 points will play a round robin tournament winner will stay premier the other two will be moved down
I am happy to hear about the tie breaker at U15P. It just didn't make sense to move three teams down.I really wish that just one team would move down, but the rule in place was already that two would move down in the event of a tie. When is the tournament to take place?
Hold on, the U15G tie breaker isn't a done deal...
at the end of the day the people who have money should help pay for the ones that dont have the money. It happens in ODP, it happens in HS (kids on free and reduced lunch at most HS play for free,) and it happens at club soccer. I understand the problem is your kid gets less time, less development, and less opportunity and you are paying for someone else. At the end of the day its real world politics. Chose what you want to do and how you want your kids to learn. Just make sure you are never the one asking for help.
DS will be coaching the U 17 MTA girls, its a done deal I promise you and if they get all the players they become a National contender. A lot of people will say he wins becasue he gets the good players, very true, but ask the players what he has done for them, they will all tell you he is a great coach, the ones who wont are the ones who were not good enough, we all know how that works. GO TO MTA
How does he coach them when he is going to the world cup next year in Africa?
national contender?? who are all these players they are missing that will take a MN state cup semi-finalist up to the levels you are talking about. DS is an outstanding coach but not a miracle worker.
You won't even have the top player at that age group next year.
At that age group who is top?
careful how you respond 8:08 because if the name you throw out is not 8:17's kid there will be hell to pay.
826, Thanks for the warning But I'm ANONYMOUS why do I care if there is hell to pay! 817's kid plays for the white team anyway. Oh, and to answer your question I believe the young lady plays up for the Woodbury 17's Inferno.
No kid playing soccer, just curious as to what
the gallery has to offer on opinions on this.
" Anonymous said...
Hold on, the U15G tie breaker isn't a done deal..."
please explain
usa cup weekend looks more enjoyable than the week. seems like 80% of the week long event are MN teams and 80% of the weekend are out of town.
Weekend is always the way to go, especially this year, where weekend conflicts with districts, meaning few MN teams signed up. Teams that play in State and the USA Cup week are fried by the time they reach State.
851 is incorrect, the top player at current U16 that is not with MTA presently is with EP.
Yeah right, 3:18.
Hey 3:18, learn to read. 8:51 did not say she was an MTA player they said WOODBURY INFERNO.
If you have been around, you might realize this is referring to a u16 who has been to the national camp and performed well. Though I heard she had surgery recently.
3:18 need eye surgery.
typing slowly for 349 (and 425). top U16 player is with EP. Not WDB or MTA.
beauty is in the eye of the holder....
based off of accomplishments its not even close....
The top true U16 jumped ship from MTA to Woodbury last year...she'll be back at MTA for next summer. So will the top EP player...it's a done deal.
MTA U17's will be a force in 2010.
You've gotta love "mr. done deal"
JE is supposedly coaching EP U17 next year with OS and others coming over and TU staying with her team. There is an informational meeting about the team already scheduled.
EP 2010 U17G ,the MN version of 09-10 Real Madrid.
Not true, the top rising U17's have already committed to WDB for next year with JE coaching both that team and Inferno at joint practices.
That is incorrect.
The Lil Twerp will be coaching on the boys side next year.
10:28,
I though WH was leaving EP for greener pastures?
Napolean complexes all of them.
DS is coaching MTA U17 girls next year he contact my daughter and others to let them know. We are going with MTA and DS. I hope the rest of the age group does too because it could be a really good group.
Looking at DS's track record of getting his players into D1 schools on scholarships it would be foolish not to play for him, improve =your game and most likely get a few great offers from D1 schools.
Given your argument 11:11, I would say you made a great case for SSM attendance?
All of you who are talking about next year's U17s- it seems to be wishful thinking on everyone's part. First off, let's discuss the players in question.
1) The one dimensional attack of EP is laughable. All they are is a carbon copy of the West Des Moines team the Inferno have been playing all these years. Over the top to the "horse" doesn't last.
2) The Inferno are alright, but again don't have what it takes to make it at the Regional level. They seem to be sliding backward over time. Maybe commitment level of players is dropping off as they get older (this tends to happen).
3) MTA has no chance outside of trading up for three/four high quality players. I have seen many of the top teams/players at this age, and there aren't enough horses out there that are likely to assist MTA.
I have a lot of respect for both TU and OS. I am not sure that the respect level will be as high if I see them start "club jumping" to find Nirvana.
For Anon 6:16
Here's the word on WH from Inside MN Soccer
http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/
I don't know the guy
But IMHO this seems like a very interesting move
Good luck to him
OS can't stay with the Inferno forever. They will all be seniors this fall (with the potential for "senioritis" plus they have all D1 committed so also potential for complacency). Must have been some reason for her to have left MTA in the first place.
Apparently JE/EP has offered the assistant coaching position to the guy MTA first asked to coach the MTA team and declined. Look for it to happen; that would be a powerful staff leading that team if it becomes reality. Look for 5-6 players to join as well.
LOL, everyone is talking about EP/MTA and if my memory serves me correctly wasn't it Wayzata that beat them both to win State Cup? However, if the Inferno kid stays at U17 for next year she will tip the balance of power to wherever she goes (look what happened to MTA when she left).
I think there are of that age on WDB.
2:25 - ??? wdb inferno is currently U17, will be U18 on 8/1/09. wayzata/ep/mta are currently U16, will be U17 on 8/1/09.
Ahhhh.... parents and coaches, what would a blog be without them.
6:37 - kind of the pot calling the kettle black......
Too bad DS and JE can't coach the team together. I know they have coached the Lightning together. That would make total sense.
8:50 - nice thought. FYI, who would be the head coach and who would be the assistant (co-head coaches would never work)?
Mark Cook removed for Region II ODP Staff this week after trying to hold a meeting with 93 ODP team to promote MTA while on staff.
Don't believe everything you read...
2:36 - I hope what you are reporting isn't just hearsay or rumor as that is a pretty heavy accusation. Unless he is helping out on the boys side-which is at a different location, last time I looked he wasn't even on the RII staff (see link).
http://www.region2.com/Assets/Midwest+Regional+League+Digital+Assets/Region+II+Assets/2009+Age+Group+Coaching+Staff.pdf
Not just accusation. My daughter told me the same thing.
Heard he was at all 93 ODP games. Also coaching MTA players from sidelines.
Somebody from Minnesota should lobby for our players,inapropriate or not. All other states cross the line.
The shake out at the upcoming year's girls U17 over the next few weeks should really be interesting with lots of potential scenarios playing out. Who's coaching what team? Who's going where?, etc.... The key will be if the Inferno kid plays U17 next year. If she goes with JE to EP, expect others to follow.
Question regarding Premier promotion and relegation: my daughter is on a u14c1 team that is trying to be promoted to Premier (u15). The MTA team currently at u14 will be relegated presumably opening a spot. In reading the rules, it looks like the MTA u14 Blue team that played won their MRL league and finished 2nd in State Cup technically receives a spot based on that criteria. Does that mean that there is no spot? Would they relegate another team like Tonka which is next to last? Or are we SOL?
If the Blue team want to play Premier next year it will be a seven team league, one C1 team will be moved up.
Is there a % roster rule for the MRL team that plays premier? Obviously the Blue team is NOT going to play MN premier league, but I understand MTA will want the spot.
Question is, will another MTA White team do better than the 0-9-1posted by the U14W team? Who would try out for that?
the club owns the status so they could have anyone they want. i dont see it being a 7 team league though, they would have to change the rules at the AGM to do so
1054: Why is it obvious that the Blue team will not play MN Premier League? With ECNL, they will not do MRL. If they don't do league play or MRL, how could they enter State Cup?
12:37 Good point. I always heard the Blue teams were too good to play in Minnesota. Looking at the U14 Premier teams this past season, only two had positive goal differentials. Not much of a challenge for the Blue team.
Could Blue do both ECNL and MRL Premier League? Much better competition than State Premier.
It's an interesting position for the u14 Blue mta (for those who care). They aren't good enough to win state cup in a weak bracket but they are either the first or second best team in the state on any given day. the rest of the u14 teams are below average. they won first division premier (arguably against weaker teams) and not get to venture out to MRL Premier. Frankly (no offense) if they win a game they should consider it an accomplishment (Burnsville -their peer - couldnt win a game at regionals). Now they are contemplating playing some national league with potentially even greater competition (and cost) and frankly really can't see how they will be competitive (unless they get new players). so it seems like this team will spend a lot of money, travelling around the US with the net result of finding not much competition in state and too much outstate. i get the idea of challegning oneself to be better but i also dont pick fights with brock lesnar
I have heard of many top MTA or old Bangu players who left the club to play up on other teams in the last couple years. Several from the current U14 MTA team left and other age groups also. That doesn't help when trying top build a strong team. Any ideas on why top players would leave the program? I wouldn't think it would be money buy the amount of scholarships that they have.
1:38 - who are all these players and where did they go? IMO, playing up on a weaker old team kind of defeats the purpose. Are they on the boys side?
150, I can think of two players who left MTA/Bangu in the last two years, I'm not sure if it was the last year or the year before but trust me when I say they were some of the top players. I will not name them. Who says they are weaker older teams.
2:14 - understood, you referenced the U14 age group and unless they went to either of the MTA U15 Blue or White teams then I would question the decision.
1:38 and 2:14 sounds like you are the same old CC DOC trying to influence others away from MTA/Bangu or worse-someone who thinks they are the only soccer parent who can think.
Lots of players go to other clubs, some move away, some decide they don't want to work that hard/often. Some are not good enough to stay, but too good to go to CC's at their own age. Some just plain like it better elsewhere-get over it. Look out for your child and quit worrying about everyone else's decisions.
230, So you think that they are better than every team at U15 besides the Two you mentioned and better than every team at U14.
4:04 - ???? Not sure what you are trying to say, but IMO what I believe is that unless a U14 player from the top U14 team went to one of the top two U15 teams then I would question their decision unless it was for logistical reasons. IMO (and you can kindly disagree) the caliber of who you are training with is a huge component of the developmental process, and IMO (and you can kindly disagree) there is a big drop off in overall team skill/ability at the U15 level after the top two teams. That does not mean that there are not other excellent players out there, but the overall depth on the other teams is lacking. I base this on the fact that as U13-U15, these two teams have always been head and shoulders above the rest of that age group. But to each there own.
LOL at 1013's last statement. As if anyone cares.
Last year the current U14 Blues finished at the bottom of the U14 Premier League. All of the current 15 Premier teams are better than the 14 Blues.
The current U14 Blues or are you comparing last year's U13 team? My understanding is this year's U14 Blue team as well as the Burnsville team were much better than any U13 team that came out of that age group the year before. A lot can change at those early years. Sounds more like you are trying to justify a decision you made (or are going to make) for your DD.......
Same core group... U13s Summer 2008.
the teams in the u14 blues first divison league were much weaker than any other group. if they dont split up this year, they will have a very tough time competing in the mrl premiere. its a shame the way the powers that be , trashed the mta whites.
anyone know the result of DKRev vs MTA blue U13's in the South?
Dakota Rev lost 2-0 which means that the top Dakota Rev team takes the south premier spot
So Cottage Grove and the MTA White team get automatic premier slots and the MTA Blue team has to go the playoff route - you've got to love MYSA's sense of humor.
the greatest irony is coming! abboud's u12 vs kasaa u13 in the regional playoffs with the winner going on to state and likely premier. the loser will not make the final 6 and likely won't make premier. here comes shootout number 2 in 2 weeks! you cant make it up!
by the way, that will be south playoff winner (MTA Blue) versus east playoff winner (MTA 97e) at 7/22 at 500 pm in shakopee. anyone hear who has been pre-determined for that one!!??
Can high school soccer teams conduct training with their coaches at this time of year? I thought they had to wait until after a certain date.
10:13 and 10:18 -
These teams need to go through districts and then state first. Remember, this is summer soccer and these are 12/13 year old girls and anything can happen. Also, not sure what is meant by shootout number 2 in 2 weeks. When was shootout number 1?
My kids are excited about the Elite Club National League or ECNL. If you are not familiar. Its basically the Academy that is on the boys side. Top competition guaranteed on the girls side with amazing exposure to the top University and the top National staff coaches. This is unprecedented in women's sport in this country. Good for MTA's U15-U18 teams. I know I am excited and can't wait to learn more. WOW!!! Finally something in MN soccer we can get excited about! I also heard that they have all but a few of the top clubs in the country and the ECNL has committments from 4 more from CA-S and TX-N and they believe that only on or two more club is all they need to have the best 48 in the country. This is legit I talked to DS, go figure that he is there, that all this is true.
Looks like MYSA has another controversy where one club team was willing to lose a game so a sister team could win the championship.
This happened when the MTA South team played the Dakota02 team Tuesday. The Dakota team made minimal effort to win the game- just keep the MTA team from scoring three goals. The Dakota team was packing in their defense while down 2-0, with less than fifteen minutes left in the game. The Dakota team went wild cheering when the final whistle blew with a 2-0 loss, allowing the Dakota Rev team to win on GF-GA.
One team willing to lose so their sister team could advance. Same net outcome as MTA12 vs MTA13 in State Cup.
Will MYSA do anything? Will the Dakota Rev team be stripped of their title and MTA and Prior Lake play for the title?
12:12 It is clear you are with MTA. There is lots of things in MN to get excited about, just not much of it is attached to MTA.
State Cup U-13 scandal
Cook kicked out of ODP for recruiting (allegedly).
sub par performance by many MTA teams (based on the teams own expectations).
A pro team in the tank.
Now the team that is "3 goals better than anyone in MN" (Larry) can't score +3 on a .500 team when they really need it to gain the south district title and a premier spot.
The list goes on. But don't say there is nothing to get excited about in MN, I am hearing of several teams and clubs stepping it up big time with an expansion of opportunities for the kids in their clubs. Better training, expansion into Midwest league,High end National Tournaments etc.
Maybe a better statement for your comments would be "finally something AT MTA to get excited about." Lets all hope MTA keeps their nose clean and does do well in this new league. Leagues such as this have come and gone who knows if they will have the legs to survive. Time will Tell but in this economy it can be real tough to get the across the board financial buy in for such excessive travel.
7:04 Drinking already? you may want to get some help with that.
actually 7:11, I believe 7:04 has a point. If it had been a MTA 2nd team playing a top DREV, WDB, EP, etc... team to a 2-0 score which would have allowed the top MTA team to advance are you trying to tell me there wouldn't have been quite a few accusations about it on this blog?
12:12 is DS
MTA trying very hard not to lose players with their recent marketing efforts. Rumor has it if they lose 1 team (U15, 15, or 17) in the league the club gets bumped out of the league. I hope they remember their own credo: Players are not possessions.
Can anyone from MTA provide information on the estimated price tag for a player for a year (u15 - 19) in ECNL? Has an overview on the commitment (travel and financial) been laid out? My guess with training, coaches fees, league fees, travel it will be in the $5k - $7k range but I could be a mile off. Please no stupid comments.
704am : If Dak2 played the game, then there is no need to get your undies in a bind. Nothing even close to the MTA 12 and 13 deal. Move on- MTA is not what they claim to be!
7:04 Once again, it's ok if a CC club does it, but not if MTA does.
Your jealously is showing!
Sorry, I meant 8:50 in the last post-my sleepiness is showing!
8:36 - the ECNL costs aren't any different than current costs as they would be attending the same tournaments. A high level team at MTA that trains year round 3-4 times per week and participates in MRL while attending 3-4 out of state tournaments (options include final four/casl, disney, presidents, vegas, blue chip, surf cup, etc..) would usually run in the range you mention. That would include all player transportation, meals, and accommodations. They provide a spreadsheet with everything broken down.
The costs are what they are and would be no different if the team was from WDB, EP, SCV, etc... and did the exact same thing. Some clubs might have a slight advantage if they have access to the community dome during winter training season.
902: What did Dak2 do wrong? They played the game and lost. Just a heads up on MN soccer... most teams pack it in to keep a game close. Nothing new there. MTA should have put a few more goals in and they didn't - that is a fact! Do you really think Dak2 would have won that game? You are all grabbing at straws here.
9:07 - THANK YOU!!!! That goes for boys and girls teams, MTA or CC! People, for heavens sake, please open your eyes to this! I am a current MTA from a former CC. What the CC's try to hide (or just not share up front) are those additional travel and lodging fees. For a Premier level team (that will actually compete) it requires at least 3-4 nights year round (you WILL be asked to pay more in addition to the check you wrote at the beginning of the season for more coach time, dome time, futsol leagues, GK training, etc). Why don't the CC's tell the total cost at tryouts? They often have no clue which of their teams (which vary greatly in both time & talent) will go to out-state tournaments, and because of that they have no idea on lodging and airfare if needed. As a parent, you need to be aware of the level of play/team committment you are getting into.
And please, if your daughter or son is playing C1/C2/C3, please don't bash the $$ amounts the Premier + teams are paying (be they MTA or CC)...if you want your child be able to play and compete at that level, then make the committment (both time & $$). If you haven't figured it out already, life is not fair. Your C2 player is not going to win State Cup...just be happy that they (hopefully) are enjoying their coaching and team environment. If not, then help them figure out what they need to do as a player to go to next level and enjoy the game.
907 - what is the cost then per year?
I can't believe some of these posts. Dak02 played their hearts out--gave it 100%. There is absolutely no comparison between a team throwing a game in penalty kicks and a true end score of 0-2. MTA should have scored another goal. Dako2 played a great defensive game.
10:37 - per 8:36's original post roughly $5K-$7K per year.
Out of state tournaments (like Disney or Las Vegas) add up pretty fast:
Entry Fee - $750 (divided by 18 is $40)
Air - $300-$400
Hotel (minimum of 3 nights) - if 4 players to a room is close to $100 per player
Transportation (rental cars/parking) - mimumum of $60
Food - $25/day on average
Coaches costs - add up all their travel costs and divide by 18
Even with a $300 airfare (harder and harder to find), 4 players to a room (not all that easy with fully grown 16-18 year olds), van with multiple players, reasonable food costs, etc.... any out of state tournament costs each individual player a minimum of $675 (and more likely closer to $800). Some MRL weekends are a bit cheaper if teams can carpool due to proximity.
Add it up 3-4 out of states, 2-3 MRL weekends, etc....
Someone out there will say their club is substantially less, but once you compare apples-to-apples, everyone is pretty much the same (unless some club gets free tournament entry fees, free air travel, free hotels, walks to the games, doesn't eat, etc...).
Yep, nothing wrong with losing to MTA, their parents think they are supposed to. But They'll hate MTA for it...
11:05 Nicely done. The only thing I think you forgot was that generally most parents want to see their kid play. Therefore costs change to Air - $700-$1000
Hotel (minimum of 3 nights) - $300+ Transportation (rental cars/parking) - mimumum of $60
Food - $50+/day on average
But, what price is you son or daughter worth????
11:12 - agreed, especially at the younger ages. Most parents tend to pick and choose a bit as the kids get older, but then others might have never missed a game (which is cool unless they then complain about how expensive things are - and unfortunately there are those parents out there).
You say what DKT did (with their coaching director coaching the team that would benefit from a non 3 goal game) is not the same as the MTA PK issue? To me they BOTH go against the spirit of the game. Both games were played with the betterment of one team in their club's in mind. DKT2 played the game? Yeah, right. Seems to me that the MTA 12s took their PKs too and "played" the game.
What will MYSA do here, that is the question. They come down hard on MTA and MA, will DKT slide through this unscathed?
Smurf, where are you? You going to come on here and say DKT2 didn't try to keep the game close for the benefit of your top team? I heard the losing girls were celebrating like they won a huge tournament.
I don't like where youth soccer is going in this state.
all i know is if the roles had been reversed this blog would have lit up.....and even tomASS would have climbed on board.
Anonymous said...
11:05 Nicely done. The only thing I think you forgot was that generally most parents want to see their kid play. Therefore costs change to Air - $700-$1000
Hotel (minimum of 3 nights) - $300+ Transportation (rental cars/parking) - mimumum of $60
Food - $50+/day on average
But, what price is you son or daughter worth????
14/7/09 11:12 AM
Question is, who is this training for? You or your child?? Traveling by themselves is part of the growing side of elite soccer. Mommy and Daddy shouldnt be traveling to all tournaments. Stay home and mow the yard, shovel the neighbors walk, ask the club if you can wash the DOC's laundry while they are away.
Anonymous said...
Can anyone from MTA provide information on the estimated price tag for a player for a year (u15 - 19) in ECNL? Has an overview on the commitment (travel and financial) been laid out? My guess with training, coaches fees, league fees, travel it will be in the $5k - $7k range but I could be a mile off. Please no stupid comments.
14/7/09 8:36 AM
5-10k is the range, if you or mamma do not go to every out of state event it will be much cheaper.
12:01 - I agree, but try telling that to all the parents who watch every practice, talk to the coach 3-4 times/week, go to every game, etc... I believe the optimal terminology is "helicopter".
Anon 11:21--There is absolutely no comparison...This game last night was not like a Dak02 vs Dak01 game in which the Daok02 team went through the steps of PK's but didn't play to win...This was a Dakota Rev vs MTA game. Shame on MTA for not having their other teams at the game to support MTA. This just shows that the teams within MTA don't support each other. There is no gray area here. MTA should have scored 3 goals for a fair win. There were several attempts to score goals by the Dak02 team-this was a clean game and a fair win.
LOL - not having other teams there? I think Dak01 had a bit of interest in the game.
The one comment that I have (and I don't have a U13 child) is that if the roles had been reversed we would have read quite a few comments from not just DREV folks but others about MTA "ethics & morality".
i asked the question on the costs. thanks for the response. the two things I gleaned are it is not much more than normal costs and not much more than if an cc premier team did the same thing (naturally). the only drawback I see is that there are less 'local' chances to see your own kid play. i think it is a great program (ECNL) for the truly elite player but to be honest, i would guarantee most of the players will be really good but not elite. again, the fact that not a single MN team really had any success at regionals shows that 'elite' is a relative term. this may be the best situation to play the highest level available competition but that alone doesn't make the player or team elite. i am bashing it for those people it is appropriate for but it seems a whole lot easier and accessible to just follow the mn premierr/state cup route. really do ep, burnsville, wayzata, woodbury really not have access to the same level of tournaments and competition as state cup champs? there may be a few instances but in the grand scheme it seems like this would appeal to a small select audience. thanks for the info I hope the program is a success and that MN can produce some competitive teams
Another take could simply be congratulations to Dakota Rev for building enough depth in their CC program to have 2 competitive teams at the same age group. I vaguely recall that this vaunted blue team was '3 goals better than anyone else in the state'. sounds like they are only 2 goals better than the kids that couldn't make the Rev top team when it was formed. 'it ain't braggin if you can back it up, but if you can't back it up, you're nothing but a fool'
i always love it when a blogger takes one comment from one person and turns it into someone else's club wide motto.....you can't make this stuff up.
Sounds like the fair thing for DREV to do was to lose by 3. Shame on you, DREV, for keeping it close.
Sheesh. MTA folks will come up with the craziest explanations to deflect the blame. DREV was a .500 team...GO SCORE THREE GOALS AGAINST THEM!
A lot of talk about MTA DKT game, but I bet none of the bloggers has a daughter on the MTA teams being spoken about, except maybe the person who reported that the "losing" DKT team cheered like they won.
Sounds odd. Is that what DKT is teaching their "second" team? Are they just paying the bills for the "first" team. Yep, I think you are hypocrits. If MTA did this it would be a scandal that should be penalized. If MTA had their white team cheer on a loss, they would be accused of poor sportsmanship, and not accomplishing their goals of winning, hmmm
What's the scoop on the Athena Futbol Club? I looked at their website and they're promoting C1 teams at U14 and above. Don't those have to be earned?
DKT teaches their 2nd,3rd ect..teams to play their best at each game which is what DKT02 did last night. Maybe they should have sat back and let MTA win by 3. It makes no sense. Stop crying about your "win" by 2 goals.
Nobody is crying about a win. You are avoiding the issue- OK for DKT or any other CC, but not OK for MTA.
Cheering a loss? Come on.
It was the Rev 1 team who was cheering (the team watching the game). They were happy because they just earned Premier. Not sure the crime in that?
Not apples to apples. Do you not get it??? Dakota Rev did not play it's "sister" team in a game and throw it... Dakota Rev played a completely different club and played their hardest. MTA had so many shots on goal it was hard to keep track of. It is no ones fault but their own that they could not score 3 goals on this team, they had many, many chances.
MTA Parents... you need to get over it! Quit making excuses for the game and except what it is. The whining is getting old.
12:01,12:09
Supporting your kid and their team,coach etc, is a parents responsibility. Who are you sending your kids off with for 3-4 days? I have met alot of parents, coaches , who dont necessarily have my kids best interest in mind. Read the papers. Soccer weekends are many families "cabin up north". Whats wrong with attending your kids away college games. Grand kids soccer matches. Its a cynical world.
FSU just hired the Eclipse Goal Keeper coach. Bristol was hired to coach keepers and defenders.
12:52 Athena Futbol club was created by the former EP U16 Premier Girls coach and since they are a new club, they are only forming C1 teams at the age groups in which MYSA allows self selection.
Who in there right mind would go to a club that has a clown like that for coaching director.
2:33 - no one would disagree with you. I guess where many parents cross the line (IMO) is defining "supportive" as being over-involved. Too many parents are over night soccer "experts". How many parents go to their kids school to monitor their history class to insure little landon/mia is learning properly?
Interesting News
MTA U17 has called a meeting to stop players from leaving or start recruiting on June 16 8:30 pm.
The night the ODP bus returns at St Thomas University.
Run by MC & DS Now Let talk ethics and Morals
5:14 - sounds more like desperation...
The shake out at the upcoming year's girls U17 over the next few weeks should really be interesting with lots of potential scenarios playing out. Who's coaching what team? Who's going where?, etc.... The key will be if the Inferno kid plays U17 next year. If she goes with JE to EP, expect others to follow.
12/7/09 10:13 PM
2:33
Overnight soccer experts, start coaching their dds team for a couple years, get into board positions,become grand pubbas(club presidents) ,snowballing mini-power. Its really too bad that parents can t get more comfortable just watching good soccer, learn to appreciate good coaches,players,without trying to manipulate things they know nothing about.
I heard from a reliable source that the ENCL fees for the tournaments the teams will be attending are more than the usual cost for these tournaments. They have to make money somehow.
Can't decide if 1013/533 is moronic enough to believe anyone cares where a player goes or is just trying to embarrass someone (other than himself)
8:07 sounds like a MTA parent watching his little U17 world crumble around him........
You really can't make this stuff up.
At U17 NOTHING of importance will happen.
Hey, when will the U15 Girls Premier playoff be happening???
No decision yet??
What is wrong with MTA having a information meeting? I dont get it? EP is having one right? Is that wrong too?
I think we should look at the two coaching resumes
Can anyone help get it started?
I think they both have USSF A Lic
Julie is a women and Danny is a man
That is all I know.
I know they have worked together so I assume they are friends
Danny told me, seems to be an honest guy, that the id2 program was going to include u17 and today they decided its not. He told me he had told people that it was going to but he said it changed and he stands corrected. Just the younger ones but what an amazing program it will be. We all know ODP is dying and dying quickly. The states do not send all of their best kids, numbers are down in Region II. And the cost to be the MN # 6 player and never get a look. It cracks me up that all the ODP coaches stand around and pat themselves on the back for what a great camp and the kids HATE it. At least my kids does. LOL
LOL 813 you are 100% wrong, both re MTA and U17. Can't make this stuff up.
Why is JE leaving the Inferno? They still have one very important year left. Who is going to replace her?
i was watching the rev,mta,u13 game and have read some of the comments.yes,the rev team was a .500 team, they cheered because holding the mta team to 2 goals was a good accomplishment and they did not give up during the game like certain other teams.if you saw the goals that went in,the first won was a simple goalie error through the hands,wasnt even a hard shot,the second goal was a earned goal for mta.if the keeper hadnt made an error the game would of ended 1 to 1.sounds like mta is mad that they didnt get the premier spot,but thats thier own fault for underestimating another teams chances.arogance got the best of them.nothing wrong for cheering a loss.if you are a 500 team and hold that mta to 2 goals,one a gaolie error,and have the game they did,thats good improvement.somtimes you cheer the way the girls play and not the outcome, make a positive out of a negative somtimes.mta has nothing to blame but themselves. they thought they would put the game away, the other team new they were the underdogs, and mta failed to do what they needed,they will have to wait another year to move out of c1 and maybee next time they wont underestimate their opponent.really mta only "earned 1 goal" in that game, the first was a goalie error on a week ball that should of been a routine catch. as some one stated earlier in the comments, mta did not have that many shots on net.rev goalie made about 5 good saves, 7 shots on net and a few that missed the net alltogether.rev defense did really well.mta outskilled the rev,rev mostly outhustled mta,and towards the end a rew mta defenders fell on their own due to fatigue.sounds like that if mta doesnt get their way its everybody elses fault.if you dont get what you want,you probably didnt due what you needed to do and thats only their fault.
last comment meant to say ended 1to o not 1 to 1. had a few spelling errors, oh well.
why would the mta coach during the recent mta,rev game" this conversation was over heard" tell the refs at halftime that he wants them to watch the rev because they may stall and waste time in the second half? mta was the ones constantly defensively sending ball out of bounds all game.the rev kept pressing, if mta cant due what they need why do they always try to bend rules or infuence outcomes or decisions during a match, just for once please shut the up and let your team play and if it doesnt go your way,take it like a man" or woman" just like thousands of other coaches.
There is no controversy. MTA will earn their Premier spot going through district/regional play.
MYSA had a director at the Rev2 vs MTA game because they thought they would have to talk to the MTA coach about a shootout with REV1 (to determine district champion). Obviously this conversation wasn't needed because of the outcome of the game.
The Rev girls played their hearts out and the MTA girls had "one of those games". If you are around the sport long enough you know what I mean. Sometimes one team has many scoring chances but just can't close the deal.
Also this REV2 team only gave up 3 goals twice all season (Prior Lake and REV1) they are a very good defensive team.
Now who gets the final two Premier spots? MTA Blue (13), MTE Blue (12's), North Metro, or Edina?
if i understand the draw correctly, mta lue 13 and blue 12 can't both get it they play each other as 'league' winners and only one of the 2 can make it to the state tournament. i could be wrong because this new mysa system is confusing (go figure)
Both can get in if Edina and North Metro lose in the "league playoffs" and do not advance to the "Regional playoffs". The Two MTA teams would then be the highest finishing second place teams in the Playoff series.
Why wouldn't the top girl playes at U15,U16 and U17 not want to play in the ECNL?
Think about it.
please enlighten us 8:13.
ECNL will have all the top girls teams and if you are in the ECNL the top 40 clubs with the exception of just a few will be the teams you play. If you are not in the ECNL you do not get to play any of those clubs. The few that are missing are coming on board for 2010.
The finals event in Seattle will be an awesome place for recruiting all the teams will be at the event. Every team goes and some will play for promotion some to not get relegated and some for the Natl Championship.
Plus id2, now just for younger as someone mentioned DS told them now its just younger and it was going to be all of them.
It is like the academy for the boys the ECNL.
8:33 - I've looked at the club list (very solid) and also looked at who the MTA teams are scheduled to play (IMO the most important part and the info is all available) and except for the current U15's (MA's old team-now MC's team), I'm not overly impressed. Here's the U17 schedule for next year:
http://www.usclubsoccer.org/Files/ECNL%202009-10%20-%20Master%20schedules%20and%20flights-opponents.xls
Here's the GotSoccer rankings for the teams that next year's U17 MTA's will be playing (as always please take any rankings for what they are worth).
#17 Albertson Fury (a very good team)
#84 Birmingham United
#100 FC Virginia
#173 Pleasonton Rage
#198 FSA Soccer Plus
#231 CESA Premier
#348 Freestate
#371 Virginia Rush
#605 Atlanta Fire
If these are all the "top" girls teams then I would hate to see the "bottom" girls teams.
Bottom line - "A" bracket=very good teams, "B" bracket=not so good (MRL Premier is actually stronger).
Sounds like MTA is making a hard push, to the point of crossing ethical boundries, to get the top u17s to be from WZA and EP, amongst others.
Time for the current MTA u16 blues who aren't on the ODP state team to start looking for tryouts at other clubs, as MTA is working hard to replace them. Current white team players need not apply.
10:31PM aka Smurf, why didn't you sign your post? =)
And why would any talented player want to move to a CC team at the 17 age group? That club (regardless of what you think of the coach) cannot hope to give the collegiate exposure to the girls that ECNL can give. And let's face it - exposure is key for this type of player at this age group.
From what I can determine, I believe the ECNL will be a good program/league/format (key words are "will be"). It will be very good for the current U14's & U15's and for the even younger ages when they hit the first year of eligibility.
IMO, if 8:59 is accurate, not a good program for the current U16's due to competiton level.
10:08 - you might want to look at where the WDB Inferno players have committed to, and BTW, EP will also be at all the same tournaments (as well as Disney).
where is the state tournament predictions now that league play is over? For each age group?
SS here did not writte the 10:31 post did not even watch the game had a scrimmage with the u12 REV team.
SS
1015 I believe that is the point as the team you mention traveled extensively. They are a CC team in name only with as varied a roster geographically as any MTA team.
EP will be at all the same tournaments? LMAO. I'll have some of what you're smoking...
11:22 - I agree, however, from what the rumors are, the EP team could potentially be rostered that same way.
11:32 - smoke on this...
EP went to CASL last year and will be attending Final Four this fall (as will MTA)
EP went to Disney last year and will be attending Disney again this fall (MTA will not - ??).
EP will be applying for LV, etc... and has a very strong chance of acceptance due to the coaches background/accomplishments.
In all honesty, for a U17, any tournament after Disney is almost too late as most top level scholarships have already been offered, etc....
Going to PDA in May (even LV in March to some extent) will mean zero to college recruiting at that point.
Don't forget to exhale...
Shocking Fact:
9 out of the top 10 teams in the U17 age group next year (according to NSR ) are NOT in the ECNL. 70% of the top 50 teams nationally (by NSR) are NOT in the ECNL.
EP has a better shot of playing quality teams by not being the league out of pure luck.
MTA is locked into the poor teams they are playing. Kind of sad to pay all that money for a guarenteed poor schedule.
EP will be more like Inferno (core of players from EP supplemented by outside talent) in composition and less like a CC.
Oh and their coach will be able to coach at regionals. And they won't be investigated by USYS and MYSA for unethical recruiting which is currently in motion. The last time USYS addressed this (recruiting at ODP) the Chicago Magic coach got a 1-year suspension from ALL coaching.
EP will have more regional/national players on their roster and a higher state cup finish. They will be able to get into any event they want.
Why believe the propaganda when you can look at the facts that paint a much different picture than the one you are being sold?
And MTA can fly all the way to Seattle for a National Championship ...of the Top 4 teams in the A Bracket.
All others teams will play 2 games to prevent relegation or elimination from the league. Have fun paying for that one as well.
I thought Wayzata was the top team at U16. Why are they not in the discussion as a destination for top players that are willing to dump their current teammates?
LOL 12:06 - how many "regional/national players" are even at that age group here in MN?
Just a non political question -- there is a young player, LM, who was playing up with the 93 and 94 ODP's, plays on the U15MTA team - quite a player. She is not listed in any of the ODP pools. Injured?
Anonymous said...
At U17 NOTHING of importance will happen.
14/7/09 8:51 PM
it would appear the quantity of posts might tend to disagree with your comment.
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