EP 2 Tonka 0 MTA White 2 Burnsville 0 Rev 5 Woodbury 0 MTA 12s 4 Eagan 0 MTA Blue 3 SCV 1 PSA 2 Edina 1 (not sure) Prior Lake 3 NLS 2 (not sure) Sibley ? Cottage Grove ?
Only the first games are over for the u13s so it's too early to predict, so here are my predictons-"A" MTA eBlue97 vs "D" MTA 96Blue. "B" Rev vs "C" Cottage Grove. I openly root for MTA 96White even though CTG was my granddaughter's first team.
I was surprised by the margin in the CTG-SAS game. SAS played MTA e97Blue close last week. Should make a match with Rev more interesting. I was also surprised how slow the MTA 96Blue team started. St Croix is well coached and has a lot of talent. They packed it in, looked like a 5-4-1 and had a 1-0 lead a half. 96Blue adjusted and came away with a favorable result.
Only the first games are over for the u13s so it's too early to predict, so here are my predictons-"A" MTA eBlue97 vs "D" MTA 96Blue. "B" Rev vs "C" Cottage Grove. I openly root for MTA 96White even though CTG was my granddaughter's first team.
I was surprised by the margin in the CTG-SAS game. SAS played MTA e97Blue close last week. Should make a match with Rev more interesting. I was also surprised how slow the MTA 96Blue team started. St Croix is well coached and has a lot of talent. They packed it in, looked like a 5-4-1 and had a 1-0 lead a half. 96Blue adjusted and came away with a favorable result.
Larry, are you willing to come off of your earlier prediction that MTA 96 Blue is "three goals better than anyone else in the tournament"? Only two better than St Croix. An improving team for sure but hardly the strength of this tournament.
I think anyone that saw the game would agree that MTA was clearly 3 goals better than SCV. Credit to SCV though, they gave a good account of themselves. I was surprised at their size and pace.
@Larry, Cottage Grove is very athletic. On the wide fields out at LWB I can see how they would take apart a team like Sibley. I think they are favored in their group. They won't get by Rev though but they stand a better than average change of earning Premier status in the east, though now I also throw SCV into the mix out there.
Isn't the actual score a pretty good indication if a team is "three goals better than" another team? 3-1 equals 2 goals better. No doubt MTA owned the play, but still only won by 2 :)
@8:18, you haven't been around the game long enough if you think a particular game score is any indication of the actual talent discrepancy between two teams. So I still hold MTA is 3 goals better than SCV.
Oh yeah, but you said three and they only won by two, so I'm right and you're wrong. And if they had won by four, you still would have been wrong as you said three.
Hey, the Vikings were at least 2 touchdowns better than every team they played last year. The fact that they didn't win every game by two touchdowns was just because the scores were not an accurate indication of the what score could have been - BS.
Bottom line- everyone is entitled to their own opinion (I think MTA could be 3 goals better than all teams), but not everyone is entitled to their own facts (MTA only won by two, regardless of your opinion).
Any updates on Sunday's games? Are they playing with lightning possible and all this rain and cold? Good day for some upsets if they are playing in wet, cold and muddy conditions.
I went down early to watch a u13 boys match, Thunder West vs Woodbury. The rain that had been promised showed and brought a cold wind with it. I decided to "tough it out" and watch the game anyway. It was raining hard enough that I had to turn the windshield wipers once a minute. The game was very entertaining though. Evenly matched teams playing hard with a 1-1 draw for a result. I don't get to watch many boys matches so this was a treat for me. I saw an incredibly talented player on the MTW team. I will be curious to see if he develops into a regional prospect.
Back to the girls-MTA 96Blue, Rev and Cottage Grove dominated their games. MTA e97Blue still looks like the team to beat in "A". MTA 96 White won 3-0 and haven't given up a goal in either game. They play Cottage Grove in two weeks and that game should decide "C".
The big surprise to me was St Croix losing 6-0 to Edina. All these games are played at the same time so I didn't get to watch any of that match. I don't know if the reversal in the 2nd half of their MTA 96Blue took their spirit or girls players didn't show up in the rain or scary, is Edina that good?
I did get out of the truck to watch my granddaughter so I'm wet and chilled. Got me a space heater and a blanket to warm these old bones and the cat naps have taken over.
Burnsville tying Cottage Grove was a surprise though. I think MTAN in that bracket would be seen as surprise since it is basically their leftover players that couldn't make the top teams. It does show MTA's strength. Still on track for 2 MTA, plus Dak Rev and then either Cottage or MTAN. Disappointed in North Metro a little.
Edina tying PSA and then crushing St Croix was a surprise only because St Croix held MTA to only 3 goals and was able to generate one. MTA much better than Edina and PSA but if MTA can't generate more offense than they did against St Croix ,who knows, add in some rain and mud, alittle luck or lack of it for MTA and a surprise isn't out of the realm of possibilities.
If I were REV I wouldn't be overly confident with their two wins either. Both Lakeville and Woodbury are relatively soft competition. EP and Tonka should present a far more organized attack.
Cottage Grove tying Burnsville was a big surprise, Thought CG would win this bracket, they still may but it looks like MTAN won't go down without a fight.
MTAN played well this weekend and will give CG all they can handle if they continue to play at that level. The match against CG will determine who moves on. Still think it will be MTA vs. Dak Rev in the final with MTA winning a close game.
8:56 All parents, regardless of team, are the same. I was at yesterday's MTA 13 Blue game and was standing next to Coon Rapids parents and they were more vocal (and not in a postive way) than the MTA parents standing next to me. So, I can make the same statement that the Coon Rapids' parents are a nasty bunch.
11:29. I noted in an earlier comment that the MTA Whites had a lot of talented players. MTA is aware that kids don't mature at the same age, but they can continue to develop skills as they mature. Maybe half the team could have gone to either team. There are some players on the White team that I thought were better players than some of the ones that went Blue. When the season started I picked them to be either 2nd or 3rd in the state. If they had worked on the attacking defense that AK implemented on the Blues, I would be picking them over the Rev.
Disregard all of Larry's comments . He has clearly lost all of his sense of objectivity. The white team is about a top 10 team in MN once the MYSA season ends. They are/will have some success in State Cup at U-13 for three reasons. Good players, Training all winter, They played 11v11 longer than most other teams. As the season moves on other teams will become much more organized and the athletisism of those players will be recognized resulting in a stronger team effort.
Top teams by end of the season:
MTA Blue REV Edina MTA U12 EP Cottage Grove MTA White
in a few more weeks we will know who is who amongst the U13's. i believe CG and MTA White are in the same pool. 7:21 - being that state cup is the most important youth tournament that MN holds during the year shouldn't all the teams target it as their main seasonal goal (unless you feel summer state is more important)?
First, Larry stop the constant sucking up tp AK. Your relative will get to play. He is the beneficiary of pooled talent, if you swapped coaches with any of the other teams in that age group the results would be the same.
8:24 - you've got to be kidding me LOL, what you are saying is that every coach in the U13 age group is equal. it's always nice to start the day off with a chuckle.
7:21 - Your assessment of the u13age group is accurate. The two best teams are MTA Blue and REV. Then there is a group of 6-8 teams behind them. It will be interesting to see which team make the greatest improvements. As a parent of player on one of the 6-8 teams chasing REV/MTA it is great to see the depth and competitiveness at the age group. It will make for a fun spring/summer.
And one more perspective, unfortunately, likely none of them will be relevant when they get to Region play. it is more palatable to hear the never ending team bragging when people temper it with the acknowledgment that we are talking MN only. i love it when people are proud of their kid/team, gracious in their comments and grounded in the fact that the top MN team is average from a regional perspective. This is nothing to apologize for, but let's also be sincere. MTAW for example has nice kids I am sure that work hard. But let's no be naive to think they are better than the top 250 teams in Region 2 alone
This whole thing started with Larry's overwhelming bias to MTA. The Blue team and MA's U12 are the real deal, the other teams are teams that have significantly less talent, but have had more experience playing the 11v11 game and have benefited from a solid off season training program. Remember for several teams at U-13 this is the first they have played on the full sized field. The majority of the U-13 teams will get better at a faster rate than the teams who have played at the U-13 level last year.
7:57 I agree State Cup is the most important Tournament of the year and am not begrudging the teams that practiced all winter, to the contrary I applaud them, but also caution them to not take some very early season success out of perspective. Others in this age group will develop and become more competitive than they appear right now. 9:14 I assure you it is not only the Rev parents who believe it is between them and MTA Blue. If you have watched either/both of these two teams play you would realize that this state has two very good U-13 girls teams. Will they compete regionally? time will tell. BTW whats with the "Me thinks" stuff? anyone else think it's annoying?
7:21 & 8:24- I have already stated that I am biased toward MTA in general and AK and MA in particular. They've earned my respect. Having a pooled team of top players does help. Too bad AK had to coach this team before they were pooled. I felt sorry for him with the old team. He had to struggle to win u13 State Cup with this team when they were u12's. But as you said, any u13 coach in the state could do that...except they didn't.
9:50 makes a good point regarding the later season results. Larry explain why that team and great coach had such a late season collapse. Did not even manage to win their lowly mysa league (a weak one) or gain premier status through state tournament play.
9:50 I'll answer your question. This is my explanation, not excuse. This team is an average to under sized team. They were playing up an age group and never matched up size wise. They had finished winning State Cup playing up, winning the top flight at Schwan's USA Cup playing up, competing in Region II, playing up, against the #1 team from each state. They were beat up. At Region, they were so over matched in size (and they don't back down) and with play as physical as it is at they level, I don't know of a single player that was battered or bruised when it was over. Then they had to come back and win a spot, playing up, to play in the state title tourney--they did. Several key players parents had re-arranged vacations because of the unexpected trip to Regions and said enough is enough and went on vacation. The remaining girls played ok, but that was all. Flashes of their normal selves but unable to sustain their regular level of play. They lost.
Larry, 9:50 here. I agree the Blue team is very good and deserves all of their accolades. I agree the U-12 blue team is also very good and deserves all of it's accolades.
I think however beyond those two MTA teams who are playing U-13 this year no other MTA team is better than average.
You stated about the white team:"When the season started I picked them to be either 2nd or 3rd in the state. If they had worked on the attacking defense that AK implemented on the Blues, I would be picking them over the Rev." . I would predict, as I indicated earlier that other teams will gain on this group as the season progresses because the balance of the soccer community at this age is currently unfamiliar with the 11v11 game and over the next month or so those teams will become much more organized which will allow those kids athletisism to be realized as a team. White has good athletes and right now a better understanding of the 11v11 game which should help them have success against more athletic teams who just haven't learned the tactics of the bigger field. This advantage will neutralize over the near future. Larry time will tell if they can hold on as an upper tier team but realistically they don't have near the level of athletes that are on either of the Blue teams referenced or the Dakota Rev team. Your support of your grandaughters club is admirable and I am quite sure appreciated by MA and AK but I believe you are missing the above variables when evaluating the current MTA teams.
give it up Larry!!!! Life is too short!!!! For every positive you will be hit with 5 negatives. They will rip MTA, the coaches (not just AK/MA - but all of them), the parents (for swallowing the "marketing"), and now you've opened up the grandparent category. Be afraid, be very afraid....
9:54, it sounds a little like the NIT for those men's hooops teams that don't get invited to the NCAA tournament. "Let's make sure EVERYONE gets a trophy!"
Seriously, people. Cut and paste 9:54's link in your browser and read it. Do you think they'll turn away clubs/teams that are too good? "Sorry, MTA. We need to give someone else a chance."
I actually think the concept of the "Presidents Cup" sounds like a great idea. Kind of a consolation bracket for State Cup runners up. I say this of course assuming that all State Cup Runners up are invited regardless of what Club those teams belong to. Truth is I if my Daughters team doesn't win her State Cup I wouldn't mind finding a tournament that would have other teams of similar quality. Reality is only one team wins State Cup at each age, that certainly doesn't mean their aren't other quality teams at the same age group and if someone can run a tournament to bring all of those teams together I would say they would have one of the highest rated tournaments in the country. You have all been to tournaments where due to poor registrations you get a few C2 teams in your bracket that get blown out. Neither team wins in that situation. At least this brings teams together who are serious enough to enter State Cup. Still hope to win the "real state cup" and not even have to consider this.
Larry's grandaughter plays for mta? He's only posted that tidbit 600 times here sandwiched between platitudes for her spectacular coach. Let's do it one more time Larry's grandaughter plays for mta 13's
Is that Curly's team? Wait, maybe it's Shemp. I love the crying about not playing well at the State Tourney from being beat up at Regions. Let's see, 5 weeks between events...Maybe those girls need Shemp to explain to them (with lots of slapstick as is befitting the organization) how to recover from serious ass-whoopings at Regions in 5 weeks or less (and avoid more ass-whoopings by inferior cc teams at the State Tourney). Vacations are tough for Shemp to coach through, too. No other state tournament teams at U13 had any vacations, I'm sure. No, I don't coach or have a daughter in that age group and the bangubers have never cut my kid. They are a bunch of self-important, excuse-mongering clowns though. Instead of excuses, maybe you should say you were playing for excellence and not results (LOL!!!!)...that would be double secret failure.
Hey! I've got an idea.....let's talk about Girl's State Cup on the Girl's State Cup thread:
U18 scores (no big shocks)
MTW (old Wings) beat the MTA white team 5-0 SSM beat WBL 4-0 WDB beat BHK's 6-1
Semi's are SSM vs WDB and MTA (old Stars) vs. MTW (old Wings).
Both winners earn regional bids due to MN having the wild card plus there is an outside shot of a third team getting an invite if MRL shakes out the right way.
I will start drinking if you continue to flirt with AK in here. I don't even know if you're his type. I'm starting to feel bad for AK and all I know about you is that you're a dimwit who insists on polluting the State Cup thread with pointless reminiscinces about the shortcomings of a bunch of 12-year olds last summer. They're going to lose to DR at State Cup, but the good news is that it will be explained away on Road to Self-Glorification by absences, vacations, injuries, weather and tagzyes weighing down their backpacks and wearing them out on the way to the game. Eins, zwei, gzuffa!
4:33 I too agree that the Presidents Cup tournament might end up being one of the best tournaments in the region this year. Obviously each states top team won't be able to attend due to their state cup win , but the best of the rest still makes a strong tournament.
Interesting State Cup issue....Burnsville u17 girls premier is now coached by Jeff Dennehy who was just announced to be the Burnsville High School Girls Varsity Coach next fall. The MSHSL has stated that one's coaching tenure begins when the hiring is announced (the announcement of his hiring was made and the Pioneer Press covered it). The u17 club team has many members of the Burnsville varsity squad on it...and the MSHSL states that coaches cannot coach their varsity players (except from june 1st to july 31st.) According to the MSHSL, if Dennehy coaches his team from now until June 1st, he will be in violation and will have to be suspended for the first two weeks of games next fall (the 2 weeks begin wth the first game).
7:44 I believe that MN High School coaches can be granted a waiver for this rule so they can coach club teams. At least that was the norm in years past.
FYI- it is worth looking into for both the coach and the players. In other surrounding states not only does the coach serve a stiff penalty (not able to participate at all in high school play) but the players are also penalized in the same way. If it a team is found to be in violation, the entire team's season is void.
Just a friendly reminder that it is good to find out for sure. Don't take everything you read on a blog as gospel. Find the real answers yourself (research it).
yes, and its not a hard waiver to get. Your AD just has to sign off on it, I don't even thing MSHSL requests a copy unless for some reason they want to see proof that you've done the paperwork. Coach D will be just fine.
MTA Blue and EP U16s played to a 0-0 tie last night in MRL. Can anyone give an account of how play was? Is the score reflective of the game, etc?
Curious to know as I have seen many things posted here as to how much better the MTA side was than EP. There have been lots of "what makes you think that EP (who has never beaten MTA) can do it this year in State Cup?" Looks to me like the gap may be smaller than everyone thought? But wanted to give MTA the ability to crow about how this isn't the case, and MTA was clearly superior on the night-- just couldn't score.
Interesting discussion. I am an A.D. at a Twin Cites high shool and the MSHSL has made it easy and appropriate to get a waiver signed off for a coach who wants to coach a team in the summer (6/1-7/31). The MSHSL is very clear (conference call yesterday) that no waivers are granted for any other months of the season. I do not know Coach D, or much about Burnsville, but it sounds like no waiver can/will be granted for that situation.
9:30 - can't say much about the game last night, but if I recall most of the "what makes you think that EP....." comments where a rebuttal to a few posts from people claimng that EP was going to win that age group and that they were the big favorites. IMO, those teams are very even based on last years games (1-1 tie in MRL and BNG's 2-1 State Cup win).
Obviously your post was looking for a response so here's a pretty mild one. You might have to try harder to stir things up a bit more.
Sorry for the long post, but this has to hurt clubs that try to compete with MTA on the girls' side:
MILWAUKEE, Wisc. - On Tuesday, April 28, 2009, the Elite Clubs National League ("ECNL") announced the inaugural member clubs for the 2009- 2010 season. The ECNL will kick-off its inaugural season at the Eclipse Select Challenge Cup August 14-16, 2009, in Chicago and will continue with year-long competition in conjunction with multiple national showcase events that culminates in the ECNL National Championship in Seattle in July 2010. In addition, the ECNL will provide a subsidized player identification program for players to be scouted for youth national teams in conjunction with US Club Soccer's id2 Program.
In 2009-2010, the ECNL season will feature 40 of the top youth girls clubs in the United States in the U15-U17 age groups competing in a 12-game season. Teams in the ECNL will compete for individual age group ECNL National Championships and an overall ECNL Club National Championship.
In each age group, teams will be placed in two flights of 20 teams each, (Challenge A and Challenge B), based on team strength. The ECNL will host stand- alone events and partner with existing national showcase events for completion of a 10-game regular season. Upon completion of a 10-game regular season, multiple four team playoff groups in each flight will be established based on the regular season standings. The top four teams in each age group in the Challenge A division will compete for the ECNL National Championship and the winner will be crowned the age group ECNL National Champion. The bottom four teams in the Challenge A division will compete in a relegation playoff where the winning team will remain in the Challenge A division for the next season and the remaining three teams will be relegated to the Challenge B division. The top four teams in the Challenge B division will compete for the promotion playoff where the top three teams will be promoted to the Challenge A division for the next season.
"The ECNL is a great step for elite girls youth players in this country," said ECNL President Christian Lavers (FC Milwaukee). "The ECNL is founded on the concept that elite female player development in the United States needs a structure that will reduce the total number of games on the schedule and increase the number of meaningful, quality games. The ECNL sets forth a vision that gives us a clear path to that goal-a national competition schedule and a national identification program linked to that competition."
"A great deal of work has gone into making the ECNL a reality. That, coupled with the commitment of the clubs involved, provides very exciting prospects for us all moving forward. This league is going to be something very special," said ECNL Vice President, Doug Bracken (Ohio Elite Soccer Academy).
2009-2010 ECNL clubs include some of the most accomplished girls youth clubs in the United States: Albertson Fury, New York; Arsenal FC, California; Atlanta Fire, Georgia; Bethesda SC, Maryland; Birmingham United, Alabama; CASL, North Carolina; CESA Premier, South Carolina; Challenge SC, Texas; Charlotte Soccer Academy, North Carolina; Colorado Rush, Colorado; Concorde Fire, Georgia; Connecticut FC, Connecticut; Crossfire Premier, Washington; Dallas Sting, Texas; D'Feeters, Texas; Eclipse Select, Illinois; FC Dallas, Texas; FC DELCO, Pennsylvania; FC Milwaukee, Wisconsin; FC Stars of Mass, Massachusetts; FC Virginia, Virginia; Freestate Soccer Alliance, Maryland; FSA SoccerPlus, Connecticut; Irvine Strikers, California; Lonestar SC, Texas; Minnesota Thunder, Minnesota; Mustang SC, California; Neusport FC, Nevada; Ohio Elite Soccer Academy, Ohio; Ohio Premier, Ohio; PDA, New Jersey; Pleasanton Rage, California; Real Colorado, Colorado; San Juan SC, California; SC Del Sol, Arizona; Sereno SC, Arizona; Solar, Texas; St. Louis Scott Gallagher, Missouri; Virginia Rush, Virginia; West Coast FC, California.
The ECNL is incorporated as a not-for-profit organization and will apply for 501(c)(3) status. The ECNL is operated and managed by a Board of Directors elected by the member clubs. The member clubs will also vote on admission of new clubs, the competitive format of the league, and all league rules and policies.
For more information about Elite Clubs National League contact Christian Lavers at Christian@fcmilwaukee.com or Doug Bracken at dbracken@ohioelite.com.
I coach in the U17P league and know about the B-ville situation. This is a non-starter for all of the alarmists out there. Dennehy stopped coaching his team in our league when his hiring was announced. They have an assistant coach for that team that will coach them until the waiver comes into effect at the end of next month. Hilarious effort to cause trouble though "A.D." - I bet lots of a.d.'s read the blog because they don't get enough crap in their every day lives from insane parents.
New Top Drawer article this morning. Seems the five year plan is on hold for the new girl's league. It will also compete directly with an expanding national league. Probably a reason Texans, Surf, Slammers, Vardar did not get involved.
B'ville girls will pay for mixing the club/high school pot. Nothing is worse for them than having club play held over your head in h.s. Two should be separate...but it never works that way.
this is a post from the other thread. not sure how accurate..
"The ECNL clubs will play each other at 5 events(10games total), Eclipse, Final Four, Disney, Vegas and PDA. They will also have a stand alone National finals that will be played this year in Seattle in July. Each team must attend 3 events(their choice) and the finals.
All ECNL teams will drop out of USYSA National League immediatly. It is optional to drop out of region league and some will. The goal is to have establish the league so that in two years all ECNL teams will not longer partcipate in USYSA events, including state cup and regionals.
This league will not be gone in two years, two many great clubs and solid leadership. You will see this league expand in time and be the future of elite girls soccer in the US.
Great move by the MN Thunder to get involved, this clearly seperates them from any other MN club when it comes to elite girls teams. No other MN club will be able to establish the exposure and level of play that the Thunder teams are going to see each year by playing in the ECNL.
29/4/09 9:09 AM"
if true, the national league won't have much to expand with. eventually this is going to turn into a USYS vs. US Club Soccer war which will make the MYSA-NSC tiff look like child's play.
Both c1 Teams the tonka team was a loss away at state last year a tie would have done it from going premier. Not sure if they added or lost players but if they kept the once they had and maybe added one or two they will be very competetive with Eagan and EP in gropup play.
I am ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE WAIVER right now... it allows a coach to work with his payers "from the day following the fourth friday in May through July 31st 2009." Not my words, that's the actual language on the form.
As long as the other post is true and JD really has someone else coaching that team until that date there is no problem. Next subject please.
Gee, 3:59, who could you be? Only a handful of wack jobs who care enough about Burnsville high school soccer to come in here and wax about Dennehy's hiring. The attempt to masquerade as an a.d. by this same parent was priceless, by the way. Let's face it, that program hasn't been relevant for years and Dennehy will have his hands full trying to make something useful there. Good Luck to him. Reminder people: State Cup thread.
This comment from an earlier post: You stated about the white team:"When the season started I picked them to be either 2nd or 3rd in the state. If they had worked on the attacking defense that AK implemented on the Blues" This I believe is one of the problems that MTA/Bangu has unless they have corrected. There is no consistent coaching philosphy throughout their program, if indeed they recognize that some players mature quicker than others, why don't they teach the same techniques to blue and white team. This way when some of the white team players have matured they can easily step up to the higher level without having to learn something different. I had been associated with this program for numerous years as a parent and always wondered why there was no consistency. Numerous turnover in the white coaching staff as well.
12:00 that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard and possibly the WORST model for player development ever suggested....
Lets train the blue and white team the exact same even though they are are at dramatically different developmental stages because one day they may be at the same level. Numerous turnover with white teams is unavoidable in any club, people don't want to coach B teams unless they are being paid a fortune, and none of them get paid that much. These are part time jobs for most coaches.
This discussion provides emphasis for the simple observation that athletes should find TEAMS that best fit their wants and needs and ignore CLUBS that consitently prattle on about how many state cups they have won, or how many former players have played D1 in college.
There may be valid reasons why an individual chooses to play for an MTA white, or MTW team...I just hope it is not because of how well the blue teams have done, or some misguided hope that playing on a white team increases your chances of playing for a blue team.
The good teams there are simply a concentration of good atheletes, there is no magic coaching done. most kids would benefit by being elswhere that are now on the white teams.
Im not a MTA parent, player or coach, however, I think everyone needs to give this club some room to grow. Its a new setup, there will be growing pains. I think over the years they will get it right. Look at Eclipse, they started with only 3 teams, now they are one of the biggest in the land. They have numerous teams at each age group. As for coaching the teams the same way, no way. Parents cannot beleive that just because your child is on a club team, no matter what color the team is, you cannot expect miracles to happen. You should not hold back the better players waiting for the less developed to catch up.
1:56, maybe, maybe not. If these players are happy where they are at, then whos say is it to say otherwise?? people forget what the players are feeling in all of this. And I bet that most players do not spend half the time debating and thinking of all this stuff like you parents do..
3:28, yes, kids want to play and some KIDS want to be great hence MTA, Eclipse, Texans, Sting, Slammers, So Cal Blues, MI Hawks, PDA, Carmel U, St Louis SC, FC Milwaukee, OH Premier, CASL, D'Feeters, Solar, Soreno, and on and on.......To each his own. Don't bash someone else's choice just because it's different from yours.
3:37 gets a gold star...right on. bigger clubs arent for everyone, places like SSM and IMG arent for everyone. But its easy to slam and spew rage against these programs isnt it??
My daughters play for MTA. I agree with the post re: inconsistent coaching philosopy. Granted players develop differently and that needs to be taken into consideration. I would like to see an assessment of each team at the beginning of each season and then a game plan developed to develop/improve the whole team. Maybe the coaches have a plan for the teams but I do not think those plans (if they exist) are communicated very well.
1:56 Quote 'ummm...EVERYONE wants to play on a BLUE team. That's the world we live in.' Unquote
Nope - only the players and parents of the BLUE teams think EVERYONE else wants to be them. Sort of like the joke about the Catholics (Methodists, Baptists, insert favorite here) in heaven: "Shhhh!" says St. Peter, "they think they're the only ones here!"
Most parents want their kids to be happy regardless of what level they play at. Kind of twisted to be otherwise, don't you think?
The problem 3:59 (and the reason I am recinding your gold star) is that playing with MTA DOES NOT make you great. Playing with MTA Blue might, but definitely NOT playing with MTA White or WEST or whatever they call themselves.
There is no such thing as greatness by association. Yet, that is exactly what MTA is trying to sell to those MTW (is the W for wannabe???) players/parents.
C'mon folks....any kid who's any good wants to play with the best against the best.Never heard of a really good player who wants to play down.Show me one and I'll show you somebody who's afraid to compete.
A nice show of respect for MTA being named an inaugural club for the new nationwide girls league, the Elite Clubs National League. Several top clubs chose not to join but the 40 that did are top level competitors. I am curious what this means for MYSA clubs. The ECNL teams are allowed to openly recruit players. These ECNL club teams seem to be encouraged to not belong to USYSA organizations like MYSA. If MTA ECNL teams pull out, this should give a lot of lesser clubs a chance to compete for State Cup. This could be the break the local clubs need.
Larry, I wish you would have had the chance to play soccer, instead of trying to live it through your grand daughter. I helped build Bangu/MTA and your lack of understanding of the competative landscape is a bit embarassing. I'm glad that your grand daughter has the opportunity to benefit from the hard work of many dozens of other parents, administrators, trainers and coaches. I hope you find a nice volunteer opportunity to help youth soccer continue to grow.
I've been around youth soccer for 25+ years. MTA teams will not pull out of USYSA. They will focus on MRL, versus state leagues though. USYSA is, by far, the most competative youth soccer organization, from a nation wide perspective. US Club will continue to grow, which is great, but USYSA will be around for some time. What is more likely to happen is that MYSA will loose their strangle hold on USYSA league sanctioning in MN. Which would also be outstanding. At this point MYSA has no competition for state wide leagues, which leads to the the existing lack of leadership, poor decision making and bad policies that currently exist.
7:44 - has someone from MTA confirmed that they will never pull out of USYSA or is that just your conjecture? Do you know who will be sanctioning the new ECNL?
By the way, are you still involved with MTA and if not, when were you last "helping to build it"?
"ECNL encourages clubs to recruit..." OMG the Goobers have found a flipping home. Maybe ECNL will encourage the Goobers to recruit themselves a new place to call home...like Antarctica.
7:44 First, notice that I am not anonymous. I take ownership of my comments. Thank you for caring enough to be embarrassed for me. I wish you had been caring enough to educate me on the competitive landscape. Also, remember ECNL is for girls only, specifically u15, u16 and u17. I shall share with you my embarrassing understanding of the competitive landscape for girls soccer in Minnesota. It's not very competitive. MTA dominates in almost every age group. One exception is MA's first academy team. Other than that, the MTA teams have to play up, play themselves or travel to find real competition. They constantly seek out the chance to play top teams. One of the MTA coaches noted that if his team had an even won/lost record then they were playing the right mix of competition. I have also heard MTA coaches talking about their desire for more clubs in Minnesota to get competitive so that could attract top teams to come here to play.
I said I was curious what this meant for the ECNL teams with regard to MYSA. Open recruiting vs recruiting prohibitions do not seem to be compatible. I agree that MYSA State Cups are the prize. Without them, why would any team want belong to MYSA?
You are right though, I wish I was a gifted athlete capable of playing at the level MTA teams play, or any level. I am not, so I shall continue to support and cheer on my granddaughter and her team. Thanks for your Bangu/MTA work. I do not have 25+ years experience with youth soccer. I only had 15 years-all as an unpaid volunteer
Larry - You once asked why there was so much animosity towards MTA. I think if you go back and read your last two posts, you will understand why. MTA parents, athletes, and (good grief) grandparents are full of an arrogance that breeds animosity like dung breeds flies. A pretty good analogy actually.
How about, "boy, won't all the other poor MYSA teams be happy when they finally have a chance to win" or "we're so good, there is no competition for us" as nice examples of MTA arrogance.
If AK had any sense (and I know he does), he would pull you aside after a game and ask you to help out with a cease and desist when it comes to this blog.
No longer involved with MTA. I was never paid. I don't know for sure what MTA will do regarding USYSA. I do know their history of good decision making and leadership. Sure there a few tools in the organziation, but for the most part, they are quality soccer people. Leaving USYSA now would be a mistake.
I do believe they are headed in the right direction. I was also involved with 4 or 5 other clubs during the 25 years. MTA was, by far, the most dedicated, least arrogant and most reasonable group of administrators and parents.
As Larry accidently pointed out, the strength of MTA as a club is multiple strong teams at every age group (still working to get 2 MRL caliber teams at each age group.)It allows scrimmaging/training situations against older and younger teams. Everyone benefits. Obviously, club strength also benefits tournament-entry, training with the best players in your age group, attention from college coaches, etc.
Larry is incorrect that MTA has to travel for competition. There are currently competative teams at every age group and both genders that are not MTA teams. But few other clubs have more than 1 or 2 teams that can consistently compete. The issue with playing the MYSA state league is that about 1/2 of the age groups/genders have 2-4 soft or very soft teams in the premier group. That makes 4-8 wasted games.
I'm very excited that SSM has stepped up the quality of their teams. That makes 16s, 17s and 18s for boys and 17s and 18s for girls much more exciting. SSM and MTA both benefit from having each other close by.
Not every MTA and SSM team will win state cup this year. I would predict they will win 10 or 11 of the 14 available. I would predict that 2 years from now, they could sweep MN State Cup. I am not trying to slam the CCs here. The WDB 18s and REV 13s are both very good girls teams. Boys 17s should be very interesting. I would be very suprised if the REV team stays intact if MTA wins state cup. They do have 4 girls that stand out, and they will probably migrate to MTA.
10:07 - I respect both yours and Larry's comments as they are stated in a "this is my opinion, I'm not trying to slam the other guys" way. You both also must have very thick skin as your comments point out the good and bad of MTA. Each side will pick out the comments that buttress their argument and counter. Not sure it was a good idea to bring REV U13 into the mix (at least this thread won't get stale). Also, WDB18's or WDB17's?
The other thing wrong with Larry's post, is that while there are strong teams for MTA to play within MN, MTA ducks them. I have yet to see a blue team travel to Faribault- even when asked.
Don't cry "there's no good competition in MN" when you really don't want t go up against what there is. If it hadn't been for State Cup last year, the two entities would still never have met.
Doesn't SSM only have two teams? How much ducking can there be? You make it sound like every MTA team from U9 to U19 is running and hiding. Nice try at attempting to turn what is your perception of the "exception into the norm". You'd make a good radio political talk show host.
yea, it's a SSM parent. so what's new. they make MTA parents look like a bunch of wallflowers. i guess the more committed or the more you push your kid the more you tend to sound off.
To say there is not good enough competition in MN is one thing, but if what the poster says is true- then the excuse is no good. If MTA feels they are so much more superior to everyone in MN, then why would they avoid SSM? Is it true that MTA refuses to play SSM, or isn't it?
Good question 6:09. If it is true, then we need some kind of factual evidence other than one parent claiming so. And if they are refusing to play them, what is their rationale (I know on the girls side they aren't exactly "friendly").
And again, who is it that cares who is playing who? Seems like teams should have the right to make their own schedule. Or should it be submitted to the blog for approval?
No, schedules don't need to be submitted for approval. However, seems like it is kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth if you make the claims that MTA makes yet they aren't willing to play against what would be good competition for them.
The best programs want to play the best. The best want to develop players by allowing them to play against the best. Now, how do you reconcile avoiding teams who could give you a good game? I'd say that last year's State Cup game 1-0 was a good game.
The only excuse is that you don't really want this because you don't want the curtain to be pulled back showing the man pulling the levers?
the only way 3 will get into Regionals is the winner of SSM/ Woodbury and if MTA Blue would get beat in the State Cup semi.That would be 3 teams. SSM/Woodbury winner MTA Blue loosing in Semi, they would go with the MRL Runner Up and the the team that beats Blue in the State Cup semis.
That is clear as mud. Can you please explain it a little better?
1) I get that MTA Blue can get in as the MRL Premier runner-up because the MRL Premier winner will probably win Ohio South State Cup.
2) Then, whomever wins MN State Cup outside of MTA gets the State Cup winner pass.
3) Where does the third pass come from? I don't believe that MN has the second automatic bid again this year, do they? If so, how? They had it last year which is how Valley United got to attend.
They had two bids last year as well MTA and North Metro went. No idea why MN keep getting extra spots at this age group.
If MTA west beats blue than they will go to regionals along with the winner of SSM and Woodbury,
MTA blue will get in even if they lose to the West team if the MRL premier winner wins the OH S State Cup. if they do nto win the OH S state cup than they are out.
If MTA Blue beats MTA west than they will go to regionals along with the winner of SSM and Woodbury.
Only the Blue team can get in even if they lose in the semi.
If I were MTA I would not play SSM. The play by different rules. MTA can only recruit during a certain window while SSM can recruit at any time. SSM can have players from outside MN that can play at State Cup and MTA can't. A lot of clubs around the region are upset that Shattuck can play in USYSA Natinonal Championship series. It really does not matter because MTA will be leaving the state cup format and playing in the National League. Within a year or two the MTA teams will not particpate. It will be like the Shattuck boys going to the National Championship minus about 60 of the top teams in the country. They would not have been close if they had to play all the top teams.
7;41, please explain to the masses on why others within the Region is upset because SSM plays in the USYSA Natl Championship series?? Your proving a point that it IS ALL about winning. It doesnt matter about the development. So, what your saying is SSM cant play any games then?? Cant go to Disney, cant go to CASL, cant go to Vegas, cant go to MRL, cant do not much huh?? how freaking selfish. Another point your making, its all about the greenbacks as well. You win, you get more players which in turn turn into cha$ching$
LOL at 741/824. Same song, second verse from the earlier attempt to stir up a tussle between MTA and SSM. The need to use SSM as their proxy to vent at MTA is laughable.
914 please just let him/them go. That act is so transparent, I sometimes wonder if the occasional "bite" from a supposed SSM parent isn't the same person. Great entertainment as long as nobody really believes it.
I am a real SSM parent. I don't care what anyone thinks of how things are done at SSM. If there were actual rule breaking taking place, it would be punished. I have heard the whining from MN parents for three years about this "it's not fair" issue.
Grow up. Grab a set. Take medication. Do whatever it is you do to make yourself feel better because no one is listening or assisting you in your cause. If anyone in the Region is upset about SSM it is something like the bumper sticker that says "the government hates thieves, they don't like the competition".
SSM is not going to go away, and your crying about the equity isn't going to do any good. It also isn't fair that in the US a kid whose parents are in a low economic class can't typically afford to be successful in soccer.
Actually a rule exists. SSM does not have to follow the rule because they bring them into a school. MTA can't have players from outside MN, the rule does exist. If you are denying that then you do not know what you are talking about and that ends this conversation. SSM will not be let into the new league because Rory Dames, Christian Leavers, and Doug Braken will not allow them in so they can play in the Tier II leagues where they belong. SSM will not continue to get the kids. Look out for WDBY, they may be more than you think.
The others in the region like Dames at Eclipse, Braken at Ohio Elite, and Leavers at FC Milwaukee don't like SSM becasue they can go after their players at anytime, while all the other teams can only talk to players during the recruiting window. Dames has already been to the Regions and USYSA, changes might be coming, but the clubs mentioned above will be leaving playing in the Natl league and will not be playing for the old USYSA Natl Championship by 2011.
SSM boys runner up finish is a joke. Almost everyone of the top teams is in the US DEV Academy. Its like the old tier II MN HS hockey championship, who cares!!!!!
9:56- Now you have jumped into my arena. I have been reading and lurking without much to say.
But, you seem to be a person who KNOWS the rules. You state that a rule exists, can you please state that rule for me and tell me where I can find a copy of it to read on my own (or you can post it here if you like).
I have been asking this question for the two years I have had a horse in this race.....finally! A person who wants to discuss this because he KNOWS what he's talking about. Go ahead, I'll be right here waiting.
Unless ofcourse, you in fact are just another person who says they know the rules but doesn't? If that is the case, then just ignore me calling you out and try and jump someone else about "rules" that they are ignorant of.
Please don't let me down, I am looking for great, stimulating debate on this and all issues "soccer rules" related.
Call MYSA up and ask if an MTA team can have a player form outside MN. They will say its against the rules for MN teams to do this unless they are part of MYSA like western WI. I don't know where the rule is we just called and talked to MYSA.
The recruiting rule exists and i am fine with the rule but everyone should have to follow it during the same time and SSM does not because they recurit for the school and that is fine but then you have to give the other clubs the chance to do the same or you have to say they cant play at State cup.
Here you go, SSM breaks this rule everytime they send an email to any MYSA player, which happens on a regular basis with the MYSA turning a blind eye to it.
Updated: 01/29/2009] 1.3.4 Player Transfer and Release 1.3.4.1 PLAYERS BOUND TO MEMBER CLUB
a. A player is registered to an Affiliate Member or Extraterritorial Member the moment the player (or for a player less than 18 years of age, the player’s parent or guardian) personally or electronically signs the Affiliate Members or Extraterritorial Members registration form and submits a portion of, or the full amount of the fees required by the Affiliate Member or Extraterritorial Member, subject to 1.3.4.1.b. Affiliate Members or Extraterritorial Members may collect a separate tryout or evaluation fee and may require completion of a separate tryout or evaluation registration form solely for the purposes or tryouts, evaluations or other similar events. Completion of only a separate tryout or evaluation form does not bind either party to the Affiliate or Extraterritorial Member.
b. The open period for registered players who are considering playing for any Affiliate Member or Extraterritorial Member in the following season begins on August 1 of each year (or following completion of the final match of the MYSA State Tournament – whichever is later). Affiliate Members and Extraterritorial Members, their administrators, board members, coaches (paid or unpaid), parents, independent contractors and/or entities used for purposes of administering tryouts, evaluations or other similar events used to form teams for the following soccer season may not schedule such an event until August 1 at the earliest (or following completion of the final match of the MYSA State Tournament – whichever is later). Tryouts or evaluations are allowed for U9 and U10 teams once league play is completed since there is no State Tournament for U9 and U10 teams. Advertisements, emails or other forms of communication announcing tryouts, evaluations or other similar events by any Affiliate or Extraterritorial Member are not subject to the August 1 restriction. An Affiliate or Extraterritorial Member found in violation of this rule will be fined in accordance to the MYSA Fees & Fines schedule set by the Board of Directors. Individuals involved in the organization and/or running an event in violation of this rule are subject to sanctions: verbal or written reprimand, game(s) suspension, partial or full season suspension, temporary or permanent suspension. Recruiting a player who is bound to a club is also prohibited.
It's more simple than that. Having kids down to SSM to guest play is an ethical skirting of the intention of the rules. Guest play is done and certainly allowed but SSM is not in need of players to fill rosters, they are a boarding school. While guest players are there, discussing financial aid options and school start dates is a clear violation.
The last two posts are hilarious on a number of levels. First, if the former bangu jacks are going to point fingers at SSM, they must have etch-a-sketch memory patterns. For years these people have been using "guest" players as tryouts over the course of the season, and have been calling and e-mailing people ('You've been i.d.'ed' - as better than someone on a gu roster!), and now they're busy calling out SSM for recruiting violations! Too funny. As far as MYSA goes, did you notice the heavy fine MTA paid for the e-mail violations last summer and fall? A coach was "fired"...and then rehired, it seems, and some paper warnings fired off. MYSA will not get involved in policing recruiting to an extent that anyone will be deterred. The simple reality is that this is a pot and kettle analogy. They can't get along because they understand one-another. SSM is shameless...and so is MTA. Everyone else needs to understand that while the level of soccer is rising here, the ethical threshhold, such as it was, has been lowered considerably by both of these organizations.
hey MTAers, did you notice this past weekend when you were playing Ohio Elite, mmmmm OHIO?? With a girl from Chicago, CHICAGO on that team. Now, how can that be?? Yea, this player will be heading to Santa Clara, look it up. She left Eclipse for Ohio Elite, Oh yea, what about the girl from Vegas playing with the Slammers, and another girl from Edmond in OK playing with Texans, you want more, just ask.
Oh look, I forgot, IMG. Kinda looks like SSM in a way doesnt it.
As for the ECNL, SSM is not a club, its a school. They can have the Elite Club scene. Maybe then MTA might scrimmage SSM?
10:17 Nice try, however MYSA has a rule that prohibits players from other states. IL, NEV, CA do not, just ask that team that played Ohio this weekend, they tried to roster a girl from Nebraska several years ago and were denied. Nice try but know your facts.
MTA does not need to scrimmage you, they will be getting top competition at the best events while you are playing in second rate events elsewhere.
Playing 2nd rate, and getting great educations and going on to play at major universities. Got it.
Like it says, ECNL stands for Elitism at its finest, your proof positive on that. So there are ONLY 40 top notch clubs in the US? lets see, Texans, Hawks, Slammers, Surf, and the list goes on and on deciding not to play in the Elitism league, 2nd rate huh?? Nice try, but know YOUR facts. Just one more question, Does being involved in this new league mean that EVERY team in your club taking part is a elite team?? Think NOT!! Look at the Eclipse 15s, they arent any good, but by name only are the allowed to play. 2nd rate, got it.
12:09 There is a whole new generation of anti-anxiety drugs. As you take them over the first weeks you will see a diminishing of your need to feel so anxious all the time and hopefully the outlandish response statements will extinguish too. I wish you luck but more importantly, good mental health especially towards a children's activity.
Ever notice how someone always posts a minute after Shekki does? Methinks they're the same schizophrenic person. Or maybe someone has a lot of time on their hands, waiting for Shekki to post.
I find it laughable about Eclipse, Ohio Elite and FC that a person would actually think they would not play SSM because they recruit...These guys make SSM and the goobers seem like puff cakes when it comes to taking whole teams and whole programs...
yes you are right those state allow it but MN does not allow it. Make sure the rules are the same for everyone and i have no problem with SSM having players from outside MN, but other clubs should have the same opportunity.
How about the parents who send their kids away to a boarding school. Really nice ship your kid off. Why have kids then??? As for the education its not that great. Trust me I know. You have been taken. As for the soccer its good not great. Big deal your kid goes to SSM. They have a couple of special players and that is it. I am looking forward to one of the MTA teams vs SSM.
Never trust anyone who says "trust me, I know". Anyone who is worth listening to will present an argument based on facts, and not just say something stupid like "trust me, I know". Oh wait, I am misquoting. The person we are supposed to trust on education, doesn't know the proper use of a comma.
The education at SSM (like anywhere) is what you make of it.
For those who pursue the more challenging options, they offer as much as any school in the area, and a good deal more than most. In fact, when they open their new STEM center in the next couple of years, I can confidently say they will be offering more than ANY school in Minnesota.
It's true, some soccer/hockey centric students do not pursue the more challening options, but some do. This is true of any group of athletes at any school.
I love the "why have a kid then?" aspect of your post. Are you suggesting that the only reason for having a kid is to keep them on a shelf in your living room? You sound like a classic helicopter parent.
Children of today are our next generation. We need to do what is best for them, not for ourselves. What is best for them needs to be decided on a case by case basis.
What most on this board is forgetting, ask the kids what they feel, what they would like to do, how they feel after they are done at their highschools etc.
Just got done reading UNC's incoming 09 class (finally) and oh look, they have a player that lives in NV but plays club with Arizona Sereno. Boy, these players that are playing outside there own state(s) is just a never ending story. Any by the way, now that MTA will be doing the Elitism league, US Club has zero rules on recruiting. Better get to work then.
MTA can recruit nationally just like anyone else, including SSM.
Apparently they have to convince their recruits to live in MN, due to a MYSA (but not USYS) rule, but they can recruit anyone from any state (or country). SSM students live in MN and satisfy the residency rule.
Does SSM have an advantage over MN clubs because they can recruit nationally? OF COURSE. Is this fair? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. Is it illegal or breaking some rule? NO, SSM STUDENTS ARE TECHNICALLY MN RESIDENTS. It is really quite simple.
Group B has the two best team(IMO). I think Burnsville has a shot but it would be a slight upset if they beat MTA west (wings). I think TC Fire will win a semi-final game over Maplebrook.
The U-14 age group is one of the weaker age groups in MN soccer. That said the MTAW team and Burnsville are the two standouts.
You really both think the Fire will come out of group A?
How can you count out an MTA team that won their MRL league and out scored their competition 18 - 3? MTA will win group B.
Group B is a toss-up between Burnsville and MTW.
Tonka should come out of group C.
Not sure about group D, maybe a toss up between Woodbury and Maplebrook.
MTA is the clear favorite in this age group. I watched them play their MRL game against Tonka and they look like a completely different team from last year.
I’m not saying (like others on this blog) that they’re 3 goals better than everyone else, but they should come out on top.
I coach in this age group and have seen most of the teams. Here it is:
Group A: MTA Blue (easy). Group B: B-ville or MTAW (don't know anything about MTAW - have they played anywhere this Spring?) Group C: Tonka (easy). Group D: Maplebrook or Woodbury.
Semis: MTA Blue over Mpbrk/Wdbry; Tonka over B-ville or MTAW.
Congrats to MTA U15G blue for getting a MRL premier wildcard bid to regionals. They finished second in the division but the Michigan Hawks have already won their state cup last fall.They have the tie breaker over the Internationals and the last place team beat the only team that could have passed them up for second place.
This is not an attempt to make an accusation, but just a question. If the MTA 15 blue team plays the MTA 15 white team in the finals at state cup (they have the past couple of years) what is their incentive to win?
I mean could they rest some key players to avoid injury and help their white team make it to regionals?
I'm not saying the MC would throw the game, but he has no reason to play the game like he otherwise would.
When pro baseball, football, hockey and basketball teams have clinched making the playoffs etc we see them rest their starters and sit players to let injuries heal. That's all part of sports. If I was a soccer coach with my ticket punched for regionals I would rest players and give subs some valuable time in case they're needed at regionals. I'd also rest players with any injuries if needed. That's the luxury of being successful in MWL.
I believe you are correct. I'm not sure what that means for the white team. I do believe it makes the blue team that much better and the clear favorite. If they got a half dozen of the best players off the summer state champion, that can only make them stronger.
We will know who will come out of group B for the U14s after the game between Burnsville and MTW at noon on Saturday.
My Guess is, Burnsville should have the edge based on their play in MRL. They still have an outside chance (okay, maybe a long shot) at winning their MRL division. 2-0-2 11 goalss for 1 goal against.
Sorry for not yet addressing the post regarding the rules and how SSM is breaking them. I will get to it, work has kept me pretty busy. I promise, I am not hiding.
for that person who said 'they coach in u14 and know it' (9:32). i'd like some of your Kool-Aid! Did you notice tonka in MRL? 0-4-2 2 goals for 12 against? I agree on MTA Blue, they are a lock for the final but you are in the clouds on the other. Lets hope it Burnsville/MTA Blue in the final, that would be the best game hands down (see Burnsville 5 - Woodbury 0 in MRL)
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Only the first games are over for the u13s so it's too early to predict, so here are my predictons-"A" MTA eBlue97 vs "D" MTA 96Blue. "B" Rev vs "C" Cottage Grove. I openly root for MTA 96White even though CTG was my granddaughter's first team.
I was surprised by the margin in the CTG-SAS game. SAS played MTA e97Blue close last week. Should make a match with Rev more interesting. I was also surprised how slow the MTA 96Blue team started. St Croix is well coached and has a lot of talent. They packed it in, looked like a 5-4-1 and had a 1-0 lead a half. 96Blue adjusted and came away with a favorable result.
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Only the first games are over for the u13s so it's too early to predict, so here are my predictons-"A" MTA eBlue97 vs "D" MTA 96Blue. "B" Rev vs "C" Cottage Grove. I openly root for MTA 96White even though CTG was my granddaughter's first team.
I was surprised by the margin in the CTG-SAS game. SAS played MTA e97Blue close last week. Should make a match with Rev more interesting. I was also surprised how slow the MTA 96Blue team started. St Croix is well coached and has a lot of talent. They packed it in, looked like a 5-4-1 and had a 1-0 lead a half. 96Blue adjusted and came away with a favorable result.
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Larry, are you willing to come off of your earlier prediction that MTA 96 Blue is "three goals better than anyone else in the tournament"? Only two better than St Croix. An improving team for sure but hardly the strength of this tournament.
I think anyone that saw the game would agree that MTA was clearly 3 goals better than SCV. Credit to SCV though, they gave a good account of themselves. I was surprised at their size and pace.
@Larry, Cottage Grove is very athletic. On the wide fields out at LWB I can see how they would take apart a team like Sibley. I think they are favored in their group. They won't get by Rev though but they stand a better than average change of earning Premier status in the east, though now I also throw SCV into the mix out there.
Good come back from Edina. They were down 2-0.
Wet one today, anything can happen
Isn't the actual score a pretty good indication if a team is "three goals better than" another team? 3-1 equals 2 goals better. No doubt MTA owned the play, but still only won by 2 :)
@8:18, you haven't been around the game long enough if you think a particular game score is any indication of the actual talent discrepancy between two teams. So I still hold MTA is 3 goals better than SCV.
Oh yeah, but you said three and they only won by two, so I'm right and you're wrong. And if they had won by four, you still would have been wrong as you said three.
Hey, the Vikings were at least 2 touchdowns better than every team they played last year. The fact that they didn't win every game by two touchdowns was just because the scores were not an accurate indication of the what score could have been - BS.
Bottom line- everyone is entitled to their own opinion (I think MTA could be 3 goals better than all teams), but not everyone is entitled to their own facts (MTA only won by two, regardless of your opinion).
By end of State Cup this year MTA/Bangu will once again have won 4-5 girls State Cup championships. Maybe 6.
Some things don't change.
me thinks it is quite childish to be arguing over whether a team won by 2 goals or 3..........
me also thinks if that is what is important to a few folks then those folks need to find a new hobby........
Any updates on Sunday's games?
Are they playing with lightning possible and all this rain and cold?
Good day for some upsets if they are playing in wet, cold and muddy conditions.
wrong again Larry, you said they were three goals better than anyone else and they won 5-0.
a 5-0 and a 2-0 game, when combined statistically, come pretty close to a 3 goal average win. Well, 3.5 to be exact.....
I'm rubber and you are glue............
I went down early to watch a u13 boys match, Thunder West vs Woodbury. The rain that had been promised showed and brought a cold wind with it. I decided to "tough it out" and watch the game anyway. It was raining hard enough that I had to turn the windshield wipers once a minute. The game was very entertaining though. Evenly matched teams playing hard with a 1-1 draw for a result. I don't get to watch many boys matches so this was a treat for me. I saw an incredibly talented player on the MTW team. I will be curious to see if he develops into a regional prospect.
Back to the girls-MTA 96Blue, Rev and Cottage Grove dominated their games. MTA e97Blue still looks like the team to beat in "A". MTA 96 White won 3-0 and haven't given up a goal in either game. They play Cottage Grove in two weeks and that game should decide "C".
The big surprise to me was St Croix losing 6-0 to Edina. All these games are played at the same time so I didn't get to watch any of that match. I don't know if the reversal in the 2nd half of their MTA 96Blue took their spirit or girls players didn't show up in the rain or scary, is Edina that good?
I did get out of the truck to watch my granddaughter so I'm wet and chilled. Got me a space heater and a blanket to warm these old bones and the cat naps have taken over.
Is anyone able to open the results for U-13 from the MYSA site?
i got through. maybe you can open this link:
http://www.mnyouthsoccer.org/events/09statecup/13girls.pdf
It's monday after the 1st weekend of state cup, let's start by stirring the pot........
You need to pace yourself 8:29 as there still a month to go.
you mean it will get WORSE?
No upsets to note at U13 age group this 1st weekend.
Burnsville tying Cottage Grove was a surprise though. I think MTAN in that bracket would be seen as surprise since it is basically their leftover players that couldn't make the top teams. It does show MTA's strength. Still on track for 2 MTA, plus Dak Rev and then either Cottage or MTAN. Disappointed in North Metro a little.
Edina tying PSA and then crushing St Croix was a surprise only because St Croix held MTA to only 3 goals and was able to generate one. MTA much better than Edina and PSA but if MTA can't generate more offense than they did against St Croix ,who knows, add in some rain and mud, alittle luck or lack of it for MTA and a surprise isn't out of the realm of possibilities.
If I were REV I wouldn't be overly confident with their two wins either. Both Lakeville and Woodbury are relatively soft competition. EP and Tonka should present a far more organized attack.
Cottage Grove tying Burnsville was a big surprise, Thought CG would win this bracket, they still may but it looks like MTAN won't go down without a fight.
MTAN played well this weekend and will give CG all they can handle if they continue to play at that level. The match against CG will determine who moves on. Still think it will be MTA vs. Dak Rev in the final with MTA winning a close game.
8:56 All parents, regardless of team, are the same. I was at yesterday's MTA 13 Blue game and was standing next to Coon Rapids parents and they were more vocal (and not in a postive way) than the MTA parents standing next to me. So, I can make the same statement that the Coon Rapids' parents are a nasty bunch.
I was the ref for the 13 MTA, Coon Rapids game and I didn't hear a thing. I thought both sides were well behaved.
11:29. I noted in an earlier comment that the MTA Whites had a lot of talented players. MTA is aware that kids don't mature at the same age, but they can continue to develop skills as they mature. Maybe half the team could have gone to either team. There are some players on the White team that I thought were better players than some of the ones that went Blue. When the season started I picked them to be either 2nd or 3rd in the state. If they had worked on the attacking defense that AK implemented on the Blues, I would be picking them over the Rev.
Disregard all of Larry's comments . He has clearly lost all of his sense of objectivity.
The white team is about a top 10 team in MN once the MYSA season ends. They are/will have some success in State Cup at U-13 for three reasons. Good players, Training all winter, They played 11v11 longer than most other teams. As the season moves on other teams will become much more organized and the athletisism of those players will be recognized resulting in a stronger team effort.
Top teams by end of the season:
MTA Blue
REV
Edina
MTA U12
EP
Cottage Grove
MTA White
in a few more weeks we will know who is who amongst the U13's. i believe CG and MTA White are in the same pool. 7:21 - being that state cup is the most important youth tournament that MN holds during the year shouldn't all the teams target it as their main seasonal goal (unless you feel summer state is more important)?
First, Larry stop the constant sucking up tp AK. Your relative will get to play. He is the beneficiary of pooled talent, if you swapped coaches with any of the other teams in that age group the results would be the same.
8:24 - you've got to be kidding me LOL, what you are saying is that every coach in the U13 age group is equal. it's always nice to start the day off with a chuckle.
7:21 - Your assessment of the u13age group is accurate. The two best teams are MTA Blue and REV. Then there is a group of 6-8 teams behind them. It will be interesting to see which team make the greatest improvements. As a parent of player on one of the 6-8 teams chasing REV/MTA it is great to see the depth and competitiveness at the age group. It will make for a fun spring/summer.
And one more perspective, unfortunately, likely none of them will be relevant when they get to Region play. it is more palatable to hear the never ending team bragging when people temper it with the acknowledgment that we are talking MN only. i love it when people are proud of their kid/team, gracious in their comments and grounded in the fact that the top MN team is average from a regional perspective. This is nothing to apologize for, but let's also be sincere. MTAW for example has nice kids I am sure that work hard. But let's no be naive to think they are better than the top 250 teams in Region 2 alone
9:07 - why go through all of that just to knock one team? who woke up this am and said...."hey let's all pick on the U13 MTA white team"?
me thinks it's just REV parents who think it's only between them and MTA Blue.
This whole thing started with Larry's overwhelming bias to MTA. The Blue team and MA's U12 are the real deal, the other teams are teams that have significantly less talent, but have had more experience playing the 11v11 game and have benefited from a solid off season training program. Remember for several teams at U-13 this is the first they have played on the full sized field. The majority of the U-13 teams will get better at a faster rate than the teams who have played at the U-13 level last year.
7:57 I agree State Cup is the most important Tournament of the year and am not begrudging the teams that practiced all winter, to the contrary I applaud them, but also caution them to not take some very early season success out of perspective. Others in this age group will develop and become more competitive than they appear right now.
9:14 I assure you it is not only the Rev parents who believe it is between them and MTA Blue. If you have watched either/both of these two teams play you would realize that this state has two very good U-13 girls teams. Will they compete regionally? time will tell. BTW whats with the "Me thinks" stuff? anyone else think it's annoying?
me thinks it's annoying too.
7:21 & 8:24- I have already stated that I am biased toward MTA in general and AK and MA in particular. They've earned my respect. Having a pooled team of top players does help. Too bad AK had to coach this team before they were pooled. I felt sorry for him with the old team. He had to struggle to win u13 State Cup with this team when they were u12's. But as you said, any u13 coach in the state could do that...except they didn't.
9:50 makes a good point regarding the later season results. Larry explain why that team and great coach had such a late season collapse. Did not even manage to win their lowly mysa league (a weak one) or gain premier status through state tournament play.
9:50 I'll answer your question. This is my explanation, not excuse. This team is an average to under sized team. They were playing up an age group and never matched up size wise. They had finished winning State Cup playing up, winning the top flight at Schwan's USA Cup playing up, competing in Region II, playing up, against the #1 team from each state. They were beat up. At Region, they were so over matched in size (and they don't back down) and with play as physical as it is at they level, I don't know of a single player that was battered or bruised when it was over. Then they had to come back and win a spot, playing up, to play in the state title tourney--they did. Several key players parents had re-arranged vacations because of the unexpected trip to Regions and said enough is enough and went on vacation. The remaining girls played ok, but that was all. Flashes of their normal selves but unable to sustain their regular level of play. They lost.
Please overlook the typo's in my post above. I was rushing.
Larry - give it up. I am a MTA parent as well, and you will never win against this crowd. Let the girls prove themselves on the field.
7:36 Quite right, when a gasbag gets on here bloviating endlessly about his team, the one thing they are above is anyone pointing out the facts!
Larry, 9:50 here. I agree the Blue team is very good and deserves all of their accolades. I agree the U-12 blue team is also very good and deserves all of it's accolades.
I think however beyond those two MTA teams who are playing U-13 this year no other MTA team is better than average.
You stated about the white team:"When the season started I picked them to be either 2nd or 3rd in the state. If they had worked on the attacking defense that AK implemented on the Blues, I would be picking them over the Rev." . I would predict, as I indicated earlier that other teams will gain on this group as the season progresses because the balance of the soccer community at this age is currently unfamiliar with the 11v11 game and over the next month or so those teams will become much more organized which will allow those kids athletisism to be realized as a team. White has good athletes and right now a better understanding of the 11v11 game which should help them have success against more athletic teams who just haven't learned the tactics of the bigger field. This advantage will neutralize over the near future. Larry time will tell if they can hold on as an upper tier team but realistically they don't have near the level of athletes that are on either of the Blue teams referenced or the Dakota Rev team. Your support of your grandaughters club is admirable and I am quite sure appreciated by MA and AK but I believe you are missing the above variables when evaluating the current MTA teams.
give it up Larry!!!! Life is too short!!!! For every positive you will be hit with 5 negatives. They will rip MTA, the coaches (not just AK/MA - but all of them), the parents (for swallowing the "marketing"), and now you've opened up the grandparent category.
Be afraid, be very afraid....
Here you go, an event for the CC's that have no chance at state cup.
http://www.region2.com/AssetFactory.aspx?did=7707
Wet weather for U18G tonight. Bad conditions may give the underdogs a chance.
9:54, it sounds a little like the NIT for those men's hooops teams that don't get invited to the NCAA tournament. "Let's make sure EVERYONE gets a trophy!"
Seriously, people. Cut and paste 9:54's link in your browser and read it. Do you think they'll turn away clubs/teams that are too good? "Sorry, MTA. We need to give someone else a chance."
I actually think the concept of the "Presidents Cup" sounds like a great idea. Kind of a consolation bracket for State Cup runners up. I say this of course assuming that all State Cup Runners up are invited regardless of what Club those teams belong to. Truth is I if my Daughters team doesn't win her State Cup I wouldn't mind finding a tournament that would have other teams of similar quality. Reality is only one team wins State Cup at each age, that certainly doesn't mean their aren't other quality teams at the same age group and if someone can run a tournament to bring all of those teams together I would say they would have one of the highest rated tournaments in the country. You have all been to tournaments where due to poor registrations you get a few C2 teams in your bracket that get blown out. Neither team wins in that situation. At least this brings teams together who are serious enough to enter State Cup. Still hope to win the "real state cup" and not even have to consider this.
Larry, Mark and Andy...kind of like Larry, Moe and Curly it seems to me.
8:19 You do know my granddaughter is on the 96Blue team, don't you?
Yea Larry I get that, I was responding to your thoughts that the white team is number 2or 3 in the state. Your Grandaughters team is quite good.
Larry's grandaughter plays for mta? He's only posted that tidbit 600 times here sandwiched between platitudes for her spectacular coach. Let's do it one more time Larry's grandaughter plays for mta 13's
Is that Curly's team? Wait, maybe it's Shemp. I love the crying about not playing well at the State Tourney from being beat up at Regions. Let's see, 5 weeks between events...Maybe those girls need Shemp to explain to them (with lots of slapstick as is befitting the organization) how to recover from serious ass-whoopings at Regions in 5 weeks or less (and avoid more ass-whoopings by inferior cc teams at the State Tourney). Vacations are tough for Shemp to coach through, too. No other state tournament teams at U13 had any vacations, I'm sure. No, I don't coach or have a daughter in that age group and the bangubers have never cut my kid. They are a bunch of self-important, excuse-mongering clowns though. Instead of excuses, maybe you should say you were playing for excellence and not results (LOL!!!!)...that would be double secret failure.
How about just leave at "they got beat by better teams" sounds good to me.
Can anybody report on tonights state cup games.
I always wondered what time the drunks woke up.
Sorry, that was mean spirited of me. I slipped.
Looks like they woke up at 9:27 tonight
Touche.
Hey! I've got an idea.....let's talk about Girl's State Cup on the Girl's State Cup thread:
U18 scores (no big shocks)
MTW (old Wings) beat the MTA white team 5-0
SSM beat WBL 4-0
WDB beat BHK's 6-1
Semi's are SSM vs WDB and MTA (old Stars) vs. MTW (old Wings).
Both winners earn regional bids due to MN having the wild card plus there is an outside shot of a third team getting an invite if MRL shakes out the right way.
Larry,
I will start drinking if you continue to flirt with AK in here. I don't even know if you're his type. I'm starting to feel bad for AK and all I know about you is that you're a dimwit who insists on polluting the State Cup thread with pointless reminiscinces about the shortcomings of a bunch of 12-year olds last summer. They're going to lose to DR at State Cup, but the good news is that it will be explained away on Road to Self-Glorification by absences, vacations, injuries, weather and tagzyes weighing down their backpacks and wearing them out on the way to the game. Eins, zwei, gzuffa!
man, reading all the different threads there's an awful lot of MTA hating going on this evening. state cup must have kicked in.
10:34 settle down. If your daughter read your post, would she be proud of you? If yes, you taught her well.
4:33 I too agree that the Presidents Cup tournament might end up being one of the best tournaments in the region this year. Obviously each states top team won't be able to attend due to their state cup win , but the best of the rest still makes a strong tournament.
Interesting State Cup issue....Burnsville u17 girls premier is now coached by Jeff Dennehy who was just announced to be the Burnsville High School Girls Varsity Coach next fall. The MSHSL has stated that one's coaching tenure begins when the hiring is announced (the announcement of his hiring was made and the Pioneer Press covered it). The u17 club team has many members of the Burnsville varsity squad on it...and the MSHSL states that coaches cannot coach their varsity players (except from june 1st to july 31st.) According to the MSHSL, if Dennehy coaches his team from now until June 1st, he will be in violation and will have to be suspended for the first two weeks of games next fall (the 2 weeks begin wth the first game).
7:44 I believe that MN High School coaches can be granted a waiver for this rule so they can coach club teams. At least that was the norm in years past.
Has anyone spotted the german girls? State Cup begins they will have an impact.
FYI- it is worth looking into for both the coach and the players. In other surrounding states not only does the coach serve a stiff penalty (not able to participate at all in high school play) but the players are also penalized in the same way. If it a team is found to be in violation, the entire team's season is void.
Just a friendly reminder that it is good to find out for sure. Don't take everything you read on a blog as gospel. Find the real answers yourself (research it).
yes, and its not a hard waiver to get. Your AD just has to sign off on it, I don't even thing MSHSL requests a copy unless for some reason they want to see proof that you've done the paperwork. Coach D will be just fine.
MTA Blue and EP U16s played to a 0-0 tie last night in MRL. Can anyone give an account of how play was? Is the score reflective of the game, etc?
Curious to know as I have seen many things posted here as to how much better the MTA side was than EP. There have been lots of "what makes you think that EP (who has never beaten MTA) can do it this year in State Cup?" Looks to me like the gap may be smaller than everyone thought? But wanted to give MTA the ability to crow about how this isn't the case, and MTA was clearly superior on the night-- just couldn't score.
SO, let's hear it?
Interesting discussion. I am an A.D. at a Twin Cites high shool and the MSHSL has made it easy and appropriate to get a waiver signed off for a coach who wants to coach a team in the summer (6/1-7/31). The MSHSL is very clear (conference call yesterday) that no waivers are granted for any other months of the season. I do not know Coach D, or much about Burnsville, but it sounds like no waiver can/will be granted for that situation.
9:30 - can't say much about the game last night, but if I recall most of the "what makes you think that EP....." comments where a rebuttal to a few posts from people claimng that EP was going to win that age group and that they were the big favorites. IMO, those teams are very even based on last years games (1-1 tie in MRL and BNG's 2-1 State Cup win).
Obviously your post was looking for a response so here's a pretty mild one. You might have to try harder to stir things up a bit more.
Sorry for the long post, but this has to hurt clubs that try to compete with MTA on the girls' side:
MILWAUKEE, Wisc. - On Tuesday, April 28, 2009, the Elite Clubs National League ("ECNL") announced the inaugural member clubs for the 2009- 2010 season. The ECNL will kick-off its inaugural season at the Eclipse Select Challenge Cup August 14-16, 2009, in Chicago and will continue with year-long competition in conjunction with multiple national showcase events that culminates in the ECNL National Championship in Seattle in July 2010. In addition, the ECNL will provide a subsidized player identification program for players to be scouted for youth national teams in conjunction with US Club Soccer's id2 Program.
In 2009-2010, the ECNL season will feature 40 of the top youth girls clubs in the United States in the U15-U17 age groups competing in a 12-game season. Teams in the ECNL will compete for individual age group ECNL National Championships and an overall ECNL Club National Championship.
In each age group, teams will be placed in two flights of 20 teams each, (Challenge A and Challenge B), based on team strength. The ECNL will host stand- alone events and partner with existing national showcase events for completion of a 10-game regular season. Upon completion of a 10-game regular season, multiple four team playoff groups in each flight will be established based on the regular season standings. The top four teams in each age group in the Challenge A division will compete for the ECNL National Championship and the winner will be crowned the age group ECNL National Champion. The bottom four teams in the Challenge A division will compete in a relegation playoff where the winning team will remain in the Challenge A division for the next season and the remaining three teams will be relegated to the Challenge B division. The top four teams in the Challenge B division will compete for the promotion playoff where the top three teams will be promoted to the Challenge A division for the next season.
"The ECNL is a great step for elite girls youth players in this country," said ECNL President Christian Lavers (FC Milwaukee). "The ECNL is founded on the concept that elite female player development in the United States needs a structure that will reduce the total number of games on the schedule and increase the number of meaningful, quality games. The ECNL sets forth a vision that gives us a clear path to that goal-a national competition schedule and a national identification program linked to that competition."
"A great deal of work has gone into making the ECNL a reality. That, coupled with the commitment of the clubs involved, provides very exciting prospects for us all moving forward. This league is going to be something very special," said ECNL Vice President, Doug Bracken (Ohio Elite Soccer Academy).
2009-2010 ECNL clubs include some of the most accomplished girls youth clubs in the United States: Albertson Fury, New York; Arsenal FC, California; Atlanta Fire, Georgia; Bethesda SC, Maryland; Birmingham United, Alabama; CASL, North Carolina; CESA Premier, South Carolina; Challenge SC, Texas; Charlotte Soccer Academy, North Carolina; Colorado Rush, Colorado; Concorde Fire, Georgia; Connecticut FC, Connecticut; Crossfire Premier, Washington; Dallas Sting, Texas; D'Feeters, Texas; Eclipse Select, Illinois; FC Dallas, Texas; FC DELCO, Pennsylvania; FC Milwaukee, Wisconsin; FC Stars of Mass, Massachusetts; FC Virginia, Virginia; Freestate Soccer Alliance, Maryland; FSA SoccerPlus, Connecticut; Irvine Strikers, California; Lonestar SC, Texas; Minnesota Thunder, Minnesota; Mustang SC, California; Neusport FC, Nevada; Ohio Elite Soccer Academy, Ohio; Ohio Premier, Ohio; PDA, New Jersey; Pleasanton Rage, California; Real Colorado, Colorado; San Juan SC, California; SC Del Sol, Arizona; Sereno SC, Arizona; Solar, Texas; St. Louis Scott Gallagher, Missouri; Virginia Rush, Virginia; West Coast FC, California.
The ECNL is incorporated as a not-for-profit organization and will apply for 501(c)(3) status. The ECNL is operated and managed by a Board of Directors elected by the member clubs. The member clubs will also vote on admission of new clubs, the competitive format of the league, and all league rules and policies.
For more information about Elite Clubs National League contact Christian Lavers at Christian@fcmilwaukee.com or Doug Bracken at dbracken@ohioelite.com.
already been discussed on the club thread......
I coach in the U17P league and know about the B-ville situation. This is a non-starter for all of the alarmists out there. Dennehy stopped coaching his team in our league when his hiring was announced. They have an assistant coach for that team that will coach them until the waiver comes into effect at the end of next month. Hilarious effort to cause trouble though "A.D." - I bet lots of a.d.'s read the blog because they don't get enough crap in their every day lives from insane parents.
New Top Drawer article this morning. Seems the five year plan is on hold for the new girl's league. It will also compete directly with an expanding national league. Probably a reason Texans, Surf, Slammers, Vardar did not get involved.
B'ville girls will pay for mixing the club/high school pot. Nothing is worse for them than having club play held over your head in h.s. Two should be separate...but it never works that way.
B-ville girls are smoking pot?
Both MTA and EP girls played very flat. Field was wet. Game was a draw...
Nice try. You are smoking, not them.
this is a post from the other thread. not sure how accurate..
"The ECNL clubs will play each other at 5 events(10games total), Eclipse, Final Four, Disney, Vegas and PDA. They will also have a stand alone National finals that will be played this year in Seattle in July. Each team must attend 3 events(their choice) and the finals.
All ECNL teams will drop out of USYSA National League immediatly. It is optional to drop out of region league and some will. The goal is to have establish the league so that in two years all ECNL teams will not longer partcipate in USYSA events, including state cup and regionals.
This league will not be gone in two years, two many great clubs and solid leadership. You will see this league expand in time and be the future of elite girls soccer in the US.
Great move by the MN Thunder to get involved, this clearly seperates them from any other MN club when it comes to elite girls teams. No other MN club will be able to establish the exposure and level of play that the Thunder teams are going to see each year by playing in the ECNL.
29/4/09 9:09 AM"
if true, the national league won't have much to expand with. eventually this is going to turn into a USYS vs. US Club Soccer war which will make the MYSA-NSC tiff look like child's play.
It was on the other thread because it was relevant over there. Not a State Cup issue.
Anyone see the U15 girls play in game tonight? Tonka 4-0 over MTW
What level is each team at, that might matter, no?
Both c1 Teams the tonka team was a loss away at state last year a tie would have done it from going premier. Not sure if they added or lost players but if they kept the once they had and maybe added one or two they will be very competetive with Eagan and EP in gropup play.
I am ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE WAIVER right now... it allows a coach to work with his payers "from the day following the fourth friday in May through July 31st 2009." Not my words, that's the actual language on the form.
As long as the other post is true and JD really has someone else coaching that team until that date there is no problem. Next subject please.
Gee, 3:59, who could you be? Only a handful of wack jobs who care enough about Burnsville high school soccer to come in here and wax about Dennehy's hiring. The attempt to masquerade as an a.d. by this same parent was priceless, by the way. Let's face it, that program hasn't been relevant for years and Dennehy will have his hands full trying to make something useful there. Good Luck to him. Reminder people: State Cup thread.
Wow! Why would anyone be so negative about a high school soccer program? Do your kids go there?
What games this weekend will be relevant ?
This comment from an earlier post:
You stated about the white team:"When the season started I picked them to be either 2nd or 3rd in the state. If they had worked on the attacking defense that AK implemented on the Blues"
This I believe is one of the problems that MTA/Bangu has unless they have corrected. There is no consistent coaching philosphy throughout their program, if indeed they recognize that some players mature quicker than others, why don't they teach the same techniques to blue and white team. This way when some of the white team players have matured they can easily step up to the higher level without having to learn something different.
I had been associated with this program for numerous years as a parent and always wondered why there was no consistency.
Numerous turnover in the white coaching staff as well.
12:00 that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard and possibly the WORST model for player development ever suggested....
Lets train the blue and white team the exact same even though they are are at dramatically different developmental stages because one day they may be at the same level. Numerous turnover with white teams is unavoidable in any club, people don't want to coach B teams unless they are being paid a fortune, and none of them get paid that much. These are part time jobs for most coaches.
wow.
The issue with MTA is that they are a bunch of teams, not a club. There are far too many egos involved for a single philosophy to emerge.
This discussion provides emphasis for the simple observation that athletes should find TEAMS that best fit their wants and needs and ignore CLUBS that consitently prattle on about how many state cups they have won, or how many former players have played D1 in college.
There may be valid reasons why an individual chooses to play for an MTA white, or MTW team...I just hope it is not because of how well the blue teams have done, or some misguided hope that playing on a white team increases your chances of playing for a blue team.
ummm...EVERYONE wants to play on a BLUE team. That's the world we live in.
The good teams there are simply a concentration of good atheletes, there is no magic coaching done. most kids would benefit by being elswhere that are now on the white teams.
Im not a MTA parent, player or coach, however, I think everyone needs to give this club some room to grow. Its a new setup, there will be growing pains. I think over the years they will get it right. Look at Eclipse, they started with only 3 teams, now they are one of the biggest in the land. They have numerous teams at each age group. As for coaching the teams the same way, no way. Parents cannot beleive that just because your child is on a club team, no matter what color the team is, you cannot expect miracles to happen. You should not hold back the better players waiting for the less developed to catch up.
1:56, maybe, maybe not. If these players are happy where they are at, then whos say is it to say otherwise?? people forget what the players are feeling in all of this. And I bet that most players do not spend half the time debating and thinking of all this stuff like you parents do..
2:46, that's the problem. Kids want to play, and parents want them to be great. Hence, the MTAs of the world.
3:28, yes, kids want to play and some KIDS want to be great hence MTA, Eclipse, Texans, Sting, Slammers, So Cal Blues, MI Hawks, PDA, Carmel U, St Louis SC, FC Milwaukee, OH Premier, CASL, D'Feeters, Solar, Soreno, and on and on.......To each his own. Don't bash someone else's choice just because it's different from yours.
3:37 gets a gold star...right on. bigger clubs arent for everyone, places like SSM and IMG arent for everyone. But its easy to slam and spew rage against these programs isnt it??
My daughters play for MTA. I agree with the post re: inconsistent coaching philosopy. Granted players develop differently and that needs to be taken into consideration. I would like to see an assessment of each team at the beginning of each season and then a game plan developed to develop/improve the whole team. Maybe the coaches have a plan for the teams but I do not think those plans (if they exist) are communicated very well.
1:56 Quote 'ummm...EVERYONE wants to play on a BLUE team. That's the world we live in.' Unquote
Nope - only the players and parents of the BLUE teams think EVERYONE else wants to be them. Sort of like the joke about the Catholics (Methodists, Baptists, insert favorite here) in heaven: "Shhhh!" says St. Peter, "they think they're the only ones here!"
Most parents want their kids to be happy regardless of what level they play at. Kind of twisted to be otherwise, don't you think?
3:59,
I'm sorry.
(About the fact your daughters play for MTA, that is).
The problem 3:59 (and the reason I am recinding your gold star) is that playing with MTA DOES NOT make you great. Playing with MTA Blue might, but definitely NOT playing with MTA White or WEST or whatever they call themselves.
There is no such thing as greatness by association. Yet, that is exactly what MTA is trying to sell to those MTW (is the W for wannabe???) players/parents.
C'mon folks....any kid who's any good wants to play with the best against the best.Never heard of a really good player who wants to play down.Show me one and I'll show you somebody who's afraid to compete.
A nice show of respect for MTA being named an inaugural club for the new nationwide girls league, the Elite Clubs National League. Several top clubs chose not to join but the 40 that did are top level competitors. I am curious what this means for MYSA clubs. The ECNL teams are allowed to openly recruit players. These ECNL club teams seem to be encouraged to not belong to USYSA organizations like MYSA. If MTA ECNL teams pull out, this should give a lot of lesser clubs a chance to compete for State Cup. This could be the break the local clubs need.
Kids will play where they want to play and where they can afford to play. Nothing has changed.
Larry, I wish you would have had the chance to play soccer, instead of trying to live it through your grand daughter. I helped build Bangu/MTA and your lack of understanding of the competative landscape is a bit embarassing. I'm glad that your grand daughter has the opportunity to benefit from the hard work of many dozens of other parents, administrators, trainers and coaches. I hope you find a nice volunteer opportunity to help youth soccer continue to grow.
I've been around youth soccer for 25+ years. MTA teams will not pull out of USYSA. They will focus on MRL, versus state leagues though. USYSA is, by far, the most competative youth soccer organization, from a nation wide perspective. US Club will continue to grow, which is great, but USYSA will be around for some time. What is more likely to happen is that MYSA will loose their strangle hold on USYSA league sanctioning in MN. Which would also be outstanding. At this point MYSA has no competition for state wide leagues, which leads to the the existing lack of leadership, poor decision making and bad policies that currently exist.
7:44 - has someone from MTA confirmed that they will never pull out of USYSA or is that just your conjecture? Do you know who will be sanctioning the new ECNL?
By the way, are you still involved with MTA and if not, when were you last "helping to build it"?
"ECNL encourages clubs to recruit..." OMG the Goobers have found a flipping home. Maybe ECNL will encourage the Goobers to recruit themselves a new place to call home...like Antarctica.
7:44 First, notice that I am not anonymous. I take ownership of my comments. Thank you for caring enough to be embarrassed for me. I wish you had been caring enough to educate me on the competitive landscape. Also, remember ECNL is for girls only, specifically u15, u16 and u17. I shall share with you my embarrassing understanding of the competitive landscape for girls soccer in Minnesota. It's not very competitive. MTA dominates in almost every age group. One exception is MA's first academy team. Other than that, the MTA teams have to play up, play themselves or travel to find real competition. They constantly seek out the chance to play top teams. One of the MTA coaches noted that if his team had an even won/lost record then they were playing the right mix of competition. I have also heard MTA coaches talking about their desire for more clubs in Minnesota to get competitive so that could attract top teams to come here to play.
I said I was curious what this meant for the ECNL teams with regard to MYSA. Open recruiting vs recruiting prohibitions do not seem to be compatible. I agree that MYSA State Cups are the prize. Without them, why would any team want belong to MYSA?
You are right though, I wish I was a gifted athlete capable of playing at the level MTA teams play, or any level. I am not, so I shall continue to support and cheer on my granddaughter and her team. Thanks for your Bangu/MTA work. I do not have 25+ years experience with youth soccer. I only had 15 years-all as an unpaid volunteer
Larry - You once asked why there was so much animosity towards MTA. I think if you go back and read your last two posts, you will understand why. MTA parents, athletes, and (good grief) grandparents are full of an arrogance that breeds animosity like dung breeds flies. A pretty good analogy actually.
How about, "boy, won't all the other poor MYSA teams be happy when they finally have a chance to win" or "we're so good, there is no competition for us" as nice examples of MTA arrogance.
If AK had any sense (and I know he does), he would pull you aside after a game and ask you to help out with a cease and desist when it comes to this blog.
me thinks sometimes the truth hurts....on both sides.
No longer involved with MTA. I was never paid. I don't know for sure what MTA will do regarding USYSA. I do know their history of good decision making and leadership. Sure there a few tools in the organziation, but for the most part, they are quality soccer people. Leaving USYSA now would be a mistake.
I do believe they are headed in the right direction. I was also involved with 4 or 5 other clubs during the 25 years. MTA was, by far, the most dedicated, least arrogant and most reasonable group of administrators and parents.
As Larry accidently pointed out, the strength of MTA as a club is multiple strong teams at every age group (still working to get 2 MRL caliber teams at each age group.)It allows scrimmaging/training situations against older and younger teams. Everyone benefits. Obviously, club strength also benefits tournament-entry, training with the best players in your age group, attention from college coaches, etc.
Larry is incorrect that MTA has to travel for competition. There are currently competative teams at every age group and both genders that are not MTA teams. But few other clubs have more than 1 or 2 teams that can consistently compete. The issue with playing the MYSA state league is that about 1/2 of the age groups/genders have 2-4 soft or very soft teams in the premier group. That makes 4-8 wasted games.
I'm very excited that SSM has stepped up the quality of their teams. That makes 16s, 17s and 18s for boys and 17s and 18s for girls much more exciting. SSM and MTA both benefit from having each other close by.
Not every MTA and SSM team will win state cup this year. I would predict they will win 10 or 11 of the 14 available. I would predict that 2 years from now, they could sweep MN State Cup. I am not trying to slam the CCs here. The WDB 18s and REV 13s are both very good girls teams. Boys 17s should be very interesting. I would be very suprised if the REV team stays intact if MTA wins state cup. They do have 4 girls that stand out, and they will probably migrate to MTA.
10:07 - I respect both yours and Larry's comments as they are stated in a "this is my opinion, I'm not trying to slam the other guys" way. You both also must have very thick skin as your comments point out the good and bad of MTA. Each side will pick out the comments that buttress their argument and counter. Not sure it was a good idea to bring REV U13 into the mix (at least this thread won't get stale). Also, WDB18's or WDB17's?
The other thing wrong with Larry's post, is that while there are strong teams for MTA to play within MN, MTA ducks them. I have yet to see a blue team travel to Faribault- even when asked.
Don't cry "there's no good competition in MN" when you really don't want t go up against what there is. If it hadn't been for State Cup last year, the two entities would still never have met.
Doesn't SSM only have two teams? How much ducking can there be? You make it sound like every MTA team from U9 to U19 is running and hiding. Nice try at attempting to turn what is your perception of the "exception into the norm". You'd make a good radio political talk show host.
I'm ready for the exception to the Norm. When does he start, already??
Even if there are only two SSM girls teams, MTA is ducking 100% of them and has for three years.
LOL is this an SSM parent complaining? If not why do you care who teams play and who they don't?
yea, it's a SSM parent. so what's new. they make MTA parents look like a bunch of wallflowers. i guess the more committed or the more you push your kid the more you tend to sound off.
426 I was wondering about that myself. It is not like the Shattuck parents to whine so you have to wonder who else would care.
Didn't the MTA U18 boys travel to SSM and play this winter?
MTA 18 Blue Girls get a draw in MRL this weekend, It seems like they are human afterall. And they will NOT be the first MN team to win MRL Premier.
You seem almost happy 5:01.....
To say there is not good enough competition in MN is one thing, but if what the poster says is true- then the excuse is no good. If MTA feels they are so much more superior to everyone in MN, then why would they avoid SSM? Is it true that MTA refuses to play SSM, or isn't it?
Good question 6:09. If it is true, then we need some kind of factual evidence other than one parent claiming so. And if they are refusing to play them, what is their rationale (I know on the girls side they aren't exactly "friendly").
And again, who is it that cares who is playing who? Seems like teams should have the right to make their own schedule. Or should it be submitted to the blog for approval?
No, schedules don't need to be submitted for approval. However, seems like it is kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth if you make the claims that MTA makes yet they aren't willing to play against what would be good competition for them.
The best programs want to play the best. The best want to develop players by allowing them to play against the best. Now, how do you reconcile avoiding teams who could give you a good game? I'd say that last year's State Cup game 1-0 was a good game.
The only excuse is that you don't really want this because you don't want the curtain to be pulled back showing the man pulling the levers?
6:48 - didn't you get the memo....
7:11 is the judge of all things scrimmage related (as well as being the stereotypical ex-MTA now SSM parent). fortunately he has no axe to grind....
And he's probably related to the one guy who can't sleep at night because MTA calls their white teams "elite".
7:33--I'm not sleeping and the white teams are not "elite, nor are most of the blue.
SSM will probably play MTA in the very near future. As usual the rest of you wannabes will be history.
SSM 18's should win State Cup. Looking at the above credentials of the SSM players you have to give the nod to a team that recruits nationally.
Jimmy The Greek
Jimmy- that is a cop out. There is nothing automatic, we all know soccer- anything can happen and often does.
I am curious though, how can there end up being three MN U18G teams at Regionals? I can only see two possibilities, how would the third get in?
the only way 3 will get into Regionals is the winner of SSM/ Woodbury and if MTA Blue would get beat in the State Cup semi.That would be 3 teams.
SSM/Woodbury winner
MTA Blue loosing in Semi, they would go with the MRL Runner Up
and the the team that beats Blue in the State Cup semis.
That is clear as mud. Can you please explain it a little better?
1) I get that MTA Blue can get in as the MRL Premier runner-up because the MRL Premier winner will probably win Ohio South State Cup.
2) Then, whomever wins MN State Cup outside of MTA gets the State Cup winner pass.
3) Where does the third pass come from? I don't believe that MN has the second automatic bid again this year, do they? If so, how? They had it last year which is how Valley United got to attend.
Mn has two spots at 18
They had two bids last year as well MTA and North Metro went. No idea why MN keep getting extra spots at this age group.
If MTA west beats blue than they will go to regionals along with the winner of SSM and Woodbury,
MTA blue will get in even if they lose to the West team if the MRL premier winner wins the OH S State Cup. if they do nto win the OH S state cup than they are out.
If MTA Blue beats MTA west than they will go to regionals along with the winner of SSM and Woodbury.
Only the Blue team can get in even if they lose in the semi.
Its a random draw for the Wild Card. No reason why they keep getting it.
If I were MTA I would not play SSM. The play by different rules. MTA can only recruit during a certain window while SSM can recruit at any time. SSM can have players from outside MN that can play at State Cup and MTA can't. A lot of clubs around the region are upset that Shattuck can play in USYSA Natinonal Championship series. It really does not matter because MTA will be leaving the state cup format and playing in the National League. Within a year or two the MTA teams will not particpate. It will be like the Shattuck boys going to the National Championship minus about 60 of the top teams in the country. They would not have been close if they had to play all the top teams.
7;41, please explain to the masses on why others within the Region is upset because SSM plays in the USYSA Natl Championship series?? Your proving a point that it IS ALL about winning. It doesnt matter about the development. So, what your saying is SSM cant play any games then?? Cant go to Disney, cant go to CASL, cant go to Vegas, cant go to MRL, cant do not much huh?? how freaking selfish. Another point your making, its all about the greenbacks as well. You win, you get more players which in turn turn into cha$ching$
Nothing more ironic than goobers crying foul about ssm recruiting,should be a great spring.
LOL at 741/824. Same song, second verse from the earlier attempt to stir up a tussle between MTA and SSM. The need to use SSM as their proxy to vent at MTA is laughable.
Doesn't MTA have the german girls? They are recruiting internationally, so what's the issue?
914 please just let him/them go. That act is so transparent, I sometimes wonder if the occasional "bite" from a supposed SSM parent isn't the same person. Great entertainment as long as nobody really believes it.
I am a real SSM parent. I don't care what anyone thinks of how things are done at SSM. If there were actual rule breaking taking place, it would be punished. I have heard the whining from MN parents for three years about this "it's not fair" issue.
Grow up. Grab a set. Take medication. Do whatever it is you do to make yourself feel better because no one is listening or assisting you in your cause. If anyone in the Region is upset about SSM it is something like the bumper sticker that says "the government hates thieves, they don't like the competition".
SSM is not going to go away, and your crying about the equity isn't going to do any good. It also isn't fair that in the US a kid whose parents are in a low economic class can't typically afford to be successful in soccer.
Actually a rule exists. SSM does not have to follow the rule because they bring them into a school. MTA can't have players from outside MN, the rule does exist. If you are denying that then you do not know what you are talking about and that ends this conversation. SSM will not be let into the new league because Rory Dames, Christian Leavers, and Doug Braken will not allow them in so they can play in the Tier II leagues where they belong. SSM will not continue to get the kids. Look out for WDBY, they may be more than you think.
The others in the region like Dames at Eclipse, Braken at Ohio Elite, and Leavers at FC Milwaukee don't like SSM becasue they can go after their players at anytime, while all the other teams can only talk to players during the recruiting window. Dames has already been to the Regions and USYSA, changes might be coming, but
the clubs mentioned above will be leaving playing in the Natl league and will not be playing for the old USYSA Natl Championship by 2011.
What is the point in having kids if you send them away to boarding school.
I know maybe they will play in the new WPS for MILLIONS.
SSM boys runner up finish is a joke. Almost everyone of the top teams is in the US DEV Academy. Its like the old tier II MN HS hockey championship, who cares!!!!!
9:56- Now you have jumped into my arena. I have been reading and lurking without much to say.
But, you seem to be a person who KNOWS the rules. You state that a rule exists, can you please state that rule for me and tell me where I can find a copy of it to read on my own (or you can post it here if you like).
I have been asking this question for the two years I have had a horse in this race.....finally! A person who wants to discuss this because he KNOWS what he's talking about. Go ahead, I'll be right here waiting.
Unless ofcourse, you in fact are just another person who says they know the rules but doesn't? If that is the case, then just ignore me calling you out and try and jump someone else about "rules" that they are ignorant of.
Please don't let me down, I am looking for great, stimulating debate on this and all issues "soccer rules" related.
956 now you have gone and asked for it. Man up or shut up.
1004 this is the girls thread, but your opinion on the boys side is noted.
SSM-SC pouncing on him in with both feet? I have seen this one before, not sure they know what they're in for.
Call MYSA up and ask if an MTA team can have a player form outside MN. They will say its against the rules for MN teams to do this unless they are part of MYSA like western WI. I don't know where the rule is we just called and talked to MYSA.
The recruiting rule exists and i am fine with the rule but everyone should have to follow it during the same time and SSM does not because they recurit for the school and that is fine but then you have to give the other clubs the chance to do the same or you have to say they cant play at State cup.
How come the germans can play for MTA then?
SSM-South
Here you go, SSM breaks this rule everytime they send an email to any MYSA player, which happens on a regular basis with the MYSA turning a blind eye to it.
Updated: 01/29/2009]
1.3.4 Player Transfer and Release
1.3.4.1 PLAYERS BOUND TO MEMBER CLUB
a. A player is registered to an Affiliate Member or Extraterritorial Member the moment the player (or for a player less than 18 years of age, the player’s parent or guardian) personally or electronically signs the Affiliate Members or Extraterritorial Members registration form and submits a portion of, or the full amount of the fees required by the Affiliate Member or Extraterritorial Member, subject to 1.3.4.1.b. Affiliate Members or Extraterritorial Members may collect a separate tryout or evaluation fee and may require completion of a separate tryout or evaluation registration form solely for the purposes or tryouts, evaluations or other similar events. Completion of only a separate tryout or evaluation form does not bind either party to the Affiliate or Extraterritorial Member.
b. The open period for registered players who are considering playing for any Affiliate Member or Extraterritorial Member in the following season begins on August 1 of each year (or following completion of the final match of the MYSA State Tournament – whichever is later). Affiliate Members and Extraterritorial Members, their administrators, board members, coaches (paid or unpaid), parents, independent contractors and/or entities used for purposes of administering tryouts, evaluations or other similar events used to form teams for the following soccer season may not schedule such an event until August 1 at the earliest (or following completion of the final match of the MYSA State Tournament – whichever is later). Tryouts or evaluations are allowed for U9 and U10 teams once league play is completed since there is no State Tournament for U9 and U10 teams. Advertisements, emails or other forms of communication announcing tryouts, evaluations or other similar events by any Affiliate or Extraterritorial Member are not subject to the August 1 restriction. An Affiliate or Extraterritorial Member found in violation of this rule will be fined in accordance to the MYSA Fees & Fines schedule set by the Board of Directors. Individuals involved in the organization and/or running an event in violation of this rule are subject to sanctions: verbal or written reprimand, game(s) suspension, partial or full season suspension, temporary or permanent suspension. Recruiting a player who is bound to a club is also prohibited.
It's more simple than that. Having kids down to SSM to guest play is an ethical skirting of the intention of the rules. Guest play is done and certainly allowed but SSM is not in need of players to fill rosters, they are a boarding school. While guest players are there, discussing financial aid options and school start dates is a clear violation.
The last two posts are hilarious on a number of levels. First, if the former bangu jacks are going to point fingers at SSM, they must have etch-a-sketch memory patterns. For years these people have been using "guest" players as tryouts over the course of the season, and have been calling and e-mailing people ('You've been i.d.'ed' - as better than someone on a gu roster!), and now they're busy calling out SSM for recruiting violations! Too funny. As far as MYSA goes, did you notice the heavy fine MTA paid for the e-mail violations last summer and fall? A coach was "fired"...and then rehired, it seems, and some paper warnings fired off. MYSA will not get involved in policing recruiting to an extent that anyone will be deterred.
The simple reality is that this is a pot and kettle analogy. They can't get along because they understand one-another. SSM is shameless...and so is MTA. Everyone else needs to understand that while the level of soccer is rising here, the ethical threshhold, such as it was, has been lowered considerably by both of these organizations.
Amen 10:03 spot on!
hey MTAers, did you notice this past weekend when you were playing Ohio Elite, mmmmm OHIO?? With a girl from Chicago, CHICAGO on that team. Now, how can that be?? Yea, this player will be heading to Santa Clara, look it up. She left Eclipse for Ohio Elite, Oh yea, what about the girl from Vegas playing with the Slammers, and another girl from Edmond in OK playing with Texans, you want more, just ask.
Oh look, I forgot, IMG. Kinda looks like SSM in a way doesnt it.
As for the ECNL, SSM is not a club, its a school. They can have the Elite Club scene. Maybe then MTA might scrimmage SSM?
10:17 Nice try, however MYSA has a rule that prohibits players from other states. IL, NEV, CA do not, just ask that team that played Ohio this weekend, they tried to roster a girl from Nebraska several years ago and were denied. Nice try but know your facts.
MTA does not need to scrimmage you, they will be getting top competition at the best events while you are playing in second rate events elsewhere.
Playing 2nd rate, and getting great educations and going on to play at major universities. Got it.
Like it says, ECNL stands for Elitism at its finest, your proof positive on that. So there are ONLY 40 top notch clubs in the US? lets see, Texans, Hawks, Slammers, Surf, and the list goes on and on deciding not to play in the Elitism league, 2nd rate huh?? Nice try, but know YOUR facts. Just one more question, Does being involved in this new league mean that EVERY team in your club taking part is a elite team?? Think NOT!! Look at the Eclipse 15s, they arent any good, but by name only are the allowed to play. 2nd rate, got it.
Drooling goobers vs. Crazed ssmers. I'm lovin' it!
Keep on hatin' haters. The goobers have just taken the soccer in this state to a whole other level and you guys are left sniffing tail.
12:09 There is a whole new generation of anti-anxiety drugs. As you take them over the first weeks you will see a diminishing of your need to feel so anxious all the time and hopefully the outlandish response statements will extinguish too. I wish you luck but more importantly, good mental health especially towards a children's activity.
Wow. The stink is so strong in here that you don't even need me.
Shekki
Scoot bigot...get out of here!
What does any of this have to do with state cup?
Ever notice how someone always posts a minute after Shekki does? Methinks they're the same schizophrenic person. Or maybe someone has a lot of time on their hands, waiting for Shekki to post.
I find it laughable about Eclipse, Ohio Elite and FC that a person would actually think they would not play SSM because they recruit...These guys make SSM and the goobers seem like puff cakes when it comes to taking whole teams and whole programs...
yes you are right those state allow it but MN does not allow it. Make sure the rules are the same for everyone and i have no problem with SSM having players from outside MN, but other clubs should have the same opportunity.
How about the parents who send their kids away to a boarding school. Really nice ship your kid off. Why have kids then??? As for the education its not that great. Trust me I know. You have been taken. As for the soccer its good not great. Big deal your kid goes to SSM. They have a couple of special players and that is it. I am looking forward to one of the MTA teams vs SSM.
Never trust anyone who says "trust me, I know". Anyone who is worth listening to will present an argument based on facts, and not just say something stupid like "trust me, I know". Oh wait, I am misquoting. The person we are supposed to trust on education, doesn't know the proper use of a comma.
The education at SSM (like anywhere) is what you make of it.
For those who pursue the more challenging options, they offer as much as any school in the area, and a good deal more than most. In fact, when they open their new STEM center in the next couple of years, I can confidently say they will be offering more than ANY school in Minnesota.
It's true, some soccer/hockey centric students do not pursue the more challening options, but some do. This is true of any group of athletes at any school.
I love the "why have a kid then?" aspect of your post. Are you suggesting that the only reason for having a kid is to keep them on a shelf in your living room? You sound like a classic helicopter parent.
Children of today are our next generation. We need to do what is best for them, not for ourselves. What is best for them needs to be decided on a case by case basis.
What most on this board is forgetting, ask the kids what they feel, what they would like to do, how they feel after they are done at their highschools etc.
Just got done reading UNC's incoming 09 class (finally) and oh look, they have a player that lives in NV but plays club with Arizona Sereno. Boy, these players that are playing outside there own state(s) is just a never ending story. Any by the way, now that MTA will be doing the Elitism league, US Club has zero rules on recruiting. Better get to work then.
MTA can recruit nationally just like anyone else, including SSM.
Apparently they have to convince their recruits to live in MN, due to a MYSA (but not USYS) rule, but they can recruit anyone from any state (or country). SSM students live in MN and satisfy the residency rule.
Enough of this stupid topic.
Does SSM have an advantage over MN clubs because they can recruit nationally? OF COURSE. Is this fair? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. Is it illegal or breaking some rule? NO, SSM STUDENTS ARE TECHNICALLY MN RESIDENTS. It is really quite simple.
I agre with 1:29 - this has nothing to do with state cup. Maybe this should be on the other thread?
The U14s start this weekend, here are my predictions...
Group A winner - Fire
Group B winner - Burnsville
Group C winner - Tonka
Group D winner - Maplebrook
Semi winners...
Maplebrook and Burnsville
Champion...
Burnsville
You heard it here first.
4:55 keep on smokin whatever you are on. It will be MTA Blue vs MTAW in the final Blue will win 3-0.
Group B has the two best team(IMO). I think Burnsville has a shot but it would be a slight upset if they beat MTA west (wings). I think TC Fire will win a semi-final game over Maplebrook.
The U-14 age group is one of the weaker age groups in MN soccer. That said the MTAW team and Burnsville are the two standouts.
4:55 and 5:15,
You really both think the Fire will come out of group A?
How can you count out an MTA team that won their MRL league and out scored their competition 18 - 3? MTA will win group B.
Group B is a toss-up between Burnsville and MTW.
Tonka should come out of group C.
Not sure about group D, maybe a toss up between Woodbury and Maplebrook.
MTA is the clear favorite in this age group. I watched them play their MRL game against Tonka and they look like a completely different team from last year.
I’m not saying (like others on this blog) that they’re 3 goals better than everyone else, but they should come out on top.
or...MTA will win group A.
I coach in this age group and have seen most of the teams. Here it is:
Group A: MTA Blue (easy).
Group B: B-ville or MTAW (don't know anything about MTAW - have they played anywhere this Spring?)
Group C: Tonka (easy).
Group D: Maplebrook or Woodbury.
Semis: MTA Blue over Mpbrk/Wdbry; Tonka over B-ville or MTAW.
Final: MTA Blue over Tonka by 2 goals.
Didn't MTAW lose a half-dozen players off the Wings team to the Blue team? Are they any good?
Congrats to MTA U15G blue for getting a MRL premier wildcard bid to regionals. They finished second in the division but the Michigan Hawks have already won their state cup last fall.They have the tie breaker over the Internationals and the last place team beat the only team that could have passed them up for second place.
This is not an attempt to make an accusation, but just a question. If the MTA 15 blue team plays the MTA 15 white team in the finals at state cup (they have the past couple of years) what is their incentive to win?
I mean could they rest some key players to avoid injury and help their white team make it to regionals?
I'm not saying the MC would throw the game, but he has no reason to play the game like he otherwise would.
Stranger things have happened........
When pro baseball, football, hockey and basketball teams have clinched making the playoffs etc we see them rest their starters and sit players to let injuries heal. That's all part of sports.
If I was a soccer coach with my ticket punched for regionals I would rest players and give subs some valuable time in case they're needed at regionals.
I'd also rest players with any injuries if needed.
That's the luxury of being successful in MWL.
9:03,
I believe you are correct. I'm not sure what that means for the white team. I do believe it makes the blue team that much better and the clear favorite. If they got a half dozen of the best players off the summer state champion, that can only make them stronger.
well said 712
We will know who will come out of group B for the U14s after the game between Burnsville and MTW at noon on Saturday.
My Guess is, Burnsville should have the edge based on their play in MRL. They still have an outside chance (okay, maybe a long shot) at winning their MRL division. 2-0-2 11 goalss for 1 goal against.
Sorry for not yet addressing the post regarding the rules and how SSM is breaking them. I will get to it, work has kept me pretty busy. I promise, I am not hiding.
SSMSouthCampus
Good for MN soccer to have a chance to send two teams at U15 but pretty sure Blue will win it unless they play white in semi or final =)
For U14 it will be MTA Blue vs Burnsville in final and Blue will win by atleast two.
for that person who said 'they coach in u14 and know it' (9:32). i'd like some of your Kool-Aid! Did you notice tonka in MRL? 0-4-2 2 goals for 12 against? I agree on MTA Blue, they are a lock for the final but you are in the clouds on the other. Lets hope it Burnsville/MTA Blue in the final, that would be the best game hands down (see Burnsville 5 - Woodbury 0 in MRL)
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