anon 12:14. Let me think... Didn't the Bangu U18 girls beat SSM U18's at State Cup last April 30th? Bangu did this with players from Minnesota only while SSM is recruiting nationally. Just a friendly reminder.
Gee aren't we lucky. Now we can have two clubs with players from other states and countries playing in the MN state cup. I hope MTA and SSM are very proud of their hard earned victories using these players they have developed from U-little on up.
1:07, read the earlier posts, mta is bringing in players from Germany. Guess your kid may be looking for a new team soon. You will join the legions who are better off away from there I promise!
Abboudians? Funny, but someone has some personal issues obviously... All the anon hate by the handful of cowards. Someone/some group must be doing something very successful to generate these posts. You guys will all be forgotten in a matter of a few years. The Thunder will continue on as they have for the last 15+ years, now replicating what all the MLS teams are doing with the youth. SSM will continue on and build a soccer program to rival their hockey one. You guys can't see that? And you are on here pretending like you have a clue about high level youth development? At least someone is looking our for our state's top players. Moreover when SSM and MTA have US Development Academy all the top boys will be playing under their banners regardless of what people like you think. With change there are always those who are left behind. The sad thing is watching people like you attempt to hold back elite programs like SSM or MTA. The sadder thing is that you think you'll do it by posting here. lol Yes I'm a parent with a kid in one of the above programs. We enjoyed and valued our time with our CC and now look somewhere outside for further development. Do I think my kid has talent? Of course, and I'm trying to help him/her find the tools needed for continued success. The hate from those somehow fearful of SSM/MTA just makes me laugh sometimes. The hate from CC coaching directors is the worst. They are supposed to be here for the players not for themselves.
The only director frequently posting here is from your club. Check your facts first. I question where you get the idea that because your child is talented, that you have more insight into what you call elite soccer, or are you parroting the mta pitch. Enjoy your child's success and more important the effort they expend.
2:55 - maybe you should take some of your own advice and do what you state in your last sentence instead of being so consumed about what other people do......
I'm a frequent poster here and have always maintained that there is room for Bangu/MTA in MN soccer and that MTA is a great place for the "elite" players to come together to compete regionally/nationally if they cannot be a part of a team at the community club level which can compete at that level. God knows there arne't many CC teams which can. My only "beef" with MTA, is that their second and third level teams (formerly white/green) can't compete even regionally, just check the MRL standings from the past couple of years. Sadly, many of these players/parents are being led down the path, wheras, if you play nfor MTA, you will reach the apex of soccer. As MN soccer people know, that simply is not true. As for the coaching at MTA, some are great coaches, but some are seriouly lacking any real ability to develop players. All of that said, to each his own. Would my kid ever play at MTA? I would never say never, but the oldest one plays on a much better club team than any MTA offering at that age group and the younger one is still young enough so as not yet have to make a decision. I do believe we can all make our own choices about where our kids do play. I also know that top level players from outside MTA are frequently asked to "guest" play with MTA teams and that all in all, MTA has been quite good for "raising the bar" ion MN soccer.
yea, the Bangu girls beat SSM last Spring, but lets remember, the colleges are the ones that are getting the final product. And lets see where what players are where in a few yrs when it REALLY matters. You keep count of the youth wins. In the mean time, see ya at state cup.
Oh yea, I can hear it already, the Stars will be crying all the way IF they lose State Cup that they lost some of there better players. Shattuck played State Cup last yr without 2 starters that were at the Canadian Natl team tryouts. But you didnt hear the cry me a river back then did you??
anon 5:04, Don't you think a team that recruits nationally and internationally should be able to beat a team with players from 1 metro area? That's like sending the USC football team up against Gustavus or some other MIAC school? If you want to brag about being able to beat a Minnesota club team after recruiting nationally go ahead but you look mighty silly.
It appears some folks are taking the bait on the 2 new players supposedly coming here from "Germany"? Does anyone even know if these players are boys players or girls players? It appears to me someone is yanking our chain.
514 you are exactly right. It is pathetic to hear people who recruit nationally brag about being able to beat teams with players from one metro area. Almost as pathetic as hearing people who recruit an entire metro area bragging about beating teams with players from one community.
When I stated the Inferno would beat the Stars I didn't realize the Stars were losing some players. No doubt that now the Stars would get blown out by the Inferno. Maybe JE will again try to invite the Stars into their lair.
Someone is trying to stir something up between the Stars and Inferno and I'll put money on it being someone not associated with either team. Many of the girls play on the 1991 ODP team together and the coaches work together with the Minnesota Lightning. There is a healthy respect and admiration between both teams. Best wishes to both of them as I am sure they will begin training soon.
Why is there an incessant need to chop people/teams down and stir things up?
What I don't understand is why Inferno hasn't played up in State Cup all these years. They go to regions every year at their own age group and get whipped, 1-10-1 or something like that. If they can beat the Stars, who do moderately well at their age group, wouldn't it make sense for Inferno to play up at what must be the weaker age group at regionals?
738 don't take the bait. Nobody thinks WDB 17 is better than MTA 18. There are many years of results that indicate differently, regionals in particular. 731 could be correct or possibly there actually is an over the top WDB parent. Or possibly just someone trying to embarrass the Inferno for some reason. Or maybe JE is trying to bait DS into giving her a game.
I saw the German players working out last weekend at the EP dome. They are a couple of the best players I've seen in the last Seven years.They have their own personal trainer who has relocated to MPLS. from Germany. Their family got most of their wealth in the fourties from their aircraft company which has since been sold for gazillions.
OK I'll bite. Even if true, these players will not be eligible for state cup as they do not live in MN. SSM gets away with this because of the boarding school exception. Not going to work MTA.
just think what this blog would be like if everyone had to use a moniker.........the posts would probably drop by 80% as some folks wouldn't want everyone to see so many of the various anonymous comments are coming from only the same people......
Just in from MTA: Now you get a bucket of sauerkraut and an English-German Dictionary with every registration. The inside word is that Bayern Munich and the Thunder will be forming an alliance. This means everyone should just go home and cry - in German.
I will preface this post by saying I am a MTA coach though new to the group of Bangu people involved. I will also say that I am posting on here to try and provide another side of the story, without the arrogance and self-righteousness that some of you have come to blanket associate with all MTA personnel. I like this blog as through anon postings true feelings come out as people can post without fear of repercussion. 5:34’s post was a good one. People may be surprised to know that at our club coaches meeting a few weeks back MA publicly confronted two of our more well-known elite coaches when they were looking to mandate no MTA teams going down to play SSM teams. These coaches believed that SSM doesn’t play by the same rules as all other MYSA clubs play by in terms of recruiting and they felt that because of this we shouldn’t bring our players to the jackals, so to speak. MA stood up against this attempted mandate stating (I’ll paraphrase here) that this is the same argument that CCs have against our club. We have players from multiple areas and tout our State Cup wins after we've beat teams that draw from a single community. It’s hypocritical. He said MTA cannot preach one thing about being an option for kids then turn around and prevent what could potentially be an even better option to families should they make a choice to pursue SSM. 5:34’s post I think echoes this and it is nice to see similar feelings from BOTH sides. I realize that the MAters will probably choose not to process what I’m saying here but I do believe that there are many very good people involved with MTA along with those perceived as aholes. Same in every club. MA has been pretty up front with his thoughts about stuff like this. I think some people get pissed at him mainly because he calls people out and speaks his mind. Check out his recent Blogs, Brit’s, and Board Rooms rant on r2r: http://www.roadtoregionals.com/97-journal/. Doesn't sound like an evil mastermind if you ask me. And no, I haven’t been brainwashed by the MA-speak. I’m an adult and make my own decisions as to what I believe in and what stances I choose to take. I simply feel it is important to know that people can be painted in one light on this blog without their true being captured. There are many other good people in this club as I know there are many good people in every other club. Everyone has differing opinions and it would be far better for the kids if we would all just shut up and agree to disagree rather than slinging jibes and mud at other peoples’ choices. The chaos in the current youth sports market is sickening sometimes and EVERYONE who contributes on either side is to blame.
The two germans are not coming and they are not playing for MTA 16's. The 16's already have 17 players on their roster. You can not roster more than 18 at this age.
Here is the key statement in the well written post from above
"I am a MTA coach though new to the group of Bangu people involved."
Give him/her time and they will get a better feel of the history involved with some of the ill will generated from this group.
Congrats too MTA for hiring what appears to be a level headed coach. Lets hope this coach keeps his/her perspective and doesn't get sucked into the negativity surrounding so many peoples thoughts of this group of individuals.
Hats off to MA if he did stand up to the protectionist coaches who wanted to boycott scrimmages with SSM.
remember that the 16's roster size is the same as the 17's now. It was anounced at the AGM that this would be changing for next year. There have be other internationals playing for MYSA team. It just takes FIFA paper work if they live for over 6 months in MN....
I think its sad to not allow MTA teams to play SSM teams. Either gender. Its a friendly, bring younger players with you, let them play, Shattuck plays younger players all the time. Both genders.
Thank you for getting that FACT out. I'm sure the reponse will be that the blue teams are too busy to bother with trivial things like scrimmages at SSM. The coaches are not willing to risk losing there.
10:48- You may be right. The games I have seen Bangu White teams at have all been in the very busy USYSA Club months of December through February. On the other hand, I have seen the Inferno come to play and other quality teams from surrounding States(even as far as Indiana and Ohio).
Why is any team required to play any other one? Not taking a side here as have no connection, but curious why anyone cares? Aren't teams allowed to determine their own schedule?
I guess its a good thing for SSM that there are other quality club teams for them to play U16-U18. It's all about options whether for a team or a player.
I would think it would be a win-win situation to scrimmage against some solid competition and depending upon the weekend get some exposure to college coaches.
SSMSC or 10's Dad How often to coaches attend the scrimmages there?
10's Dad can probably answer better than I. I have not seen a lot of Coaches come by for the "little girls", but do know that some of the "big time" programs have sent Coaches to SSM. Heard that just last weekend there was another major conference D1 coach in Illinois watching particular U18 players.
10:10- You are right, each team has a right to set up whatever games they want. But, it would be a big warning in my mind if my kid's team coaches weren't taking all offers to play every competitive game they could. ESPECIALLY in the winter months to keep the players match-fit against good competition. You are waayyyy ahead if you can stay match-fit year round!
SSMSC during the first year of SSM's program Bangu held a showcase tournament at SSM in cooperation with them. Plans were to make it an annual event but the following year SSM decided to go it alone in holding the event and Bangu had to relocate to St. Cloud which caused some difficulties. Some tensions arose from this and thus there has been limited play between the two clubs. Both sides could have handled it better. The older Bangu teams also very seldom play friendlies. The showcase tournaments and MRL gain them all the exposure they need. Really not a major issue, not sure why it is being discussed here other than there are some who will always find a reason to criticize MTA for some reason or another.
I thought the "blue" teams were the top teams ready to play the highest level of competition. Correct, nobody is required to play I would ask as a parent of a player on those teams why we are ducking SSM.
Well, we went down to Ctown this past weekend for 2 games, and the Univ of Miami-ACC (FL) head coach was there scouting one of our players. She came and watched us play both Sat and Sun. I joked with her about why didnt she come up and watch us play in a controlled enviorment in the dome instead of watching us play in the freezing cold last w/end. She told us that she really liked watching the team play. This is the 2nd player that Miami is interested in. EH from SSM will be attending Miami next yr. Some of the coaches that have visited SSM are Iowa, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Boston University, Minnesota to name just a few.
The yearly Shattuck Adidas Showcase held every Jan is a very good event. Iv seen the table full of the teams profiles (from all the clubs attending) filled on Saturday morning, and by the end of the tournament, most of the profiles are gone. I think the ODP weekend also is a big hit in the winter months as well. Heck, club teams from IND, StL, WI and Ctown have come up for the showcase every year.
My take, who cares who wins in Jan, they are games, games the coaching staff can work from in training in the following weeks after the games.
1131 Can't speak for all the Blue teams but ours plays enough games over the winter months with 3-4 tourneys and then MRL early in the spring. When we do have a scrimmage it is usually with the Lightning. Don't see any need to drive to Faribault. No ducks or even geese involved. Hope our coach is reading this.
Pathetic excuses. What about the good of the game, isn't Bangu/MTA about raising the level of soccer here? Of course, it is all those people out to get us our patented fall back plan.
I'm with 12:31. Why do any of you people care who plays who? You all need to get a life of your own. Who cares about MTA or SSM. There is good soccer beyond those two. Are any teams traveling to Texas Cup, CASL or Disney this early winter?
SSM does not develop players. They collect players from all over the country who were developed by their local clubs. The cream of the crop get free rides while the mediocre players pick up the tab. SSM is afraid to play a national schedule for fear of damaging their marketing strategy.
How many of SSM's players got D1 athletic scholarships this year?
Why would any NORMAL kid want to go and live in Fairbault. There is absolutely nothing to do there.
If a kid was really good they'd be going to the top acadamies in Florida where you train out doors year around. SSM is just a wannabe and can't compete with the elite soccer acadamies in Florida or Texas.Parents spending a lot of money just to boost their egos and get the kid out of the house.
12:46..Easy one, go to the CASL website and look at what teams will be attending..by the way, the CASL Final Four tickets are sold out if anyone was planning on attending.
1:05..Ah, Im sure you know first hand that SSM doesnt develop players right?? First hand knowledge?? Free rides, LOL..right!! I think you have stink all over your comment. How many players will be attending D1 next yr..go to BigSoccer.com and go to the spreadsheet and pull up any club and look for yourself. And as for the Natl schedule, what do you mean by that? RedBull is for U15/16s, that is the only girls Natl League that Im aware of. MRL (fall/spring), CASL, Vegas, Nomads, what more are you looking for?
1:21..Do you know what your kid is doing most nites away from home? I thought so. My kid is living at Shattuck, not Faribo. By the way, IMG is more expensive than Shattuck, and the school down there is 1/2 of what the kids at Shattuck are getting. As for if a kid was that good they would be in Florida etc..Im sure you have read the ESPN Top 50 players list and seen what team/club these players are from right? For each their own.
Hey, if MTA wants to play Shattuck, great, if not, no big deal. Im sure if Shattuck 18G's are promoted to MRL Premier, which they should, then the teams will play then and again at State Cup. So there you have it.
I have nothing against MTA or any club in MN. Its not personal. I can say thou, that you dont know how good you have it up here compared to where we are from. You guys have alot more choices to make for your players.
I believe an earlier post about Bangu playing Faribault many times was a tongue in cheek comment about the fact that Bangu teams play the actual Faribault club teams in south district league play. They have for years. The reality is the SSM teams aren't open to everyone like all other MYSA clubs are. You must attend school at SSM to play on those particular teams.
In regards to actually playing the SSM teams many coaches prefer not to play their primary competitors and show them what they have prior to State Cup. I'm not sure thats the reason but I know for a fact last year the Bangu U19 boys scrimmaged SSM U18's as my son played for the Bangu U19's. I think it's an individual coach decision nothing being pushed down from the Bangu/MTA board.
Here is the link to the 09/10 recruiting class....Spare me the SSM MTA banter...let them play...heck last year if I remeber right, the U-18 semis for the girls was a close exciting game...well hyped on the old blog..not sure why any MTA coach or SSM coach would not want to play each other in Jan or Feb..makes no sense...especially if you are preaching development..
And for the ignorant folk out there..this is my daughters third year at SSM..if we wanted to collect hardware she would have stayed where she was...I find it quite amusing how serious folk here YOUTH SOCCER.....The 17's and 18's are just starting to understand the game...sorry all you U-5 to U-16 parents....
SSM and future programs like it are a threat to the possessions of MTA. Prepare for being attacked for your success. Even with the shadow of State Cup over them, the best teams need to play friendlies as we are a bit geographically isolated.
Prefer to play friendlies with the Minnesota Lightning. Top competition and local field.Why travel to the Twin City baja Fairbault and play some wannabes.
How many SSM players were offered athletic scholarships to D1 schools last year? I'm sure the know it all SSM experts would have that info on the tip of their tounges.
Never mind. The number is so low they won't respond.
Did the kid who went to UCLA get one or was she a walk on.
SHATTUCK-ST. MARY'S . 2009 . Ainsworth, Gabby D Coralville, IA IOWA . Cline, Chelsea M Des Moines, IA UCLA 2006 U-16 NT Player Pool 2006 January U-16 NT Camp 2006 Nike Premier 50 Camp 2007 U-17 NT Player Pool 2007 February U-17 NT Camp 2007 adidas ESP Camp 2007 Nike Premier 50 Camp 2007 NSCAA Youth All-American 2008 U-18 NT Player Pool 2008 PARADE All-American
. Harrison, Amy D Winnipeg, MB TENNESSEE 2007 Canadian U-17 Player Pool 2008 March U-17 Canadian NT Camp 2008 April U-17 Canadian NT Camp 2008 July U-17 Canadian NT Camp 2008 Team Canada - U-17 WC Qualifying Team Canada - U-17 World Cup - NZL . Huser, Emilie M Fort Wayne, IN MIAMI (FLORIDA) 2006 U-16 NT Women's Nike Friendlies 2006 NSCAA Youth All-American 2007 U-17 NT Player Pool 2007 January U-17 NT Camp 2007 adidas ESP Camp 2008 U-18 NT Player Pool . Levin, Sloane F Hamburg, MI VIRGINIA TECH . Ochs, Taylor D Omaha, NE SEATTLE PACIFIC . Rhoades, CJ M Plainfield, IN VANDERBILT 2007 Region II ODP 2008 Region II France Trip
MINNESOTA THUNDER ACADEMY . 2009 . Bagnall, Olivia M Lakeville, MN MINNESOTA . Crocker, Kelsey D Eden Prairie, MN CREIGHTON . Crowell, Megan F Minnetonka, MN CORNELL 2007 Region II ODP . Gleich, Kelsey M Cottage Grove, MN CLARKE COLLEGE . Godfrey, Devahn F St. Paul, MN UW-GREEN BAY . Hoaglin, Rachel M Lakeville, MN VALPARAISO
. Koller, Alex M Bloomington, MN ILLINOIS STATE . Marier, Delaney D Hastings, MN SOUTH CAROLINA STATE . North, Kelsey M Apple Valley, MN UW-GREEN BAY . Phillips, Allie M Vadnais Heights, MN MINNESOTA 2007 Region II ODP 2007 adidas ESP Camp 2008 Region II ODP . Price, Marissa M Apple Valley, MN MINNESOTA . Reinhardt, Chelsea F Lakeville, MN NORTH DAKOTA STATE . Russell, Madeline M Lakeville, MN IOWA STATE . Spicher, Allison GK Eden Prairie, MN UW-MILWAUKEE 2008 Region II ODP . Stapf, Sheri D Lakeville, MN NORTH DAKOTA . Sturchio, Jennifer GK Rochester, MN UW-GREEN BAY . Westlund, Briana D Cottage Grove, MN NORTHWESTERN 2007 Region II ODP 2007 NSCAA High School All-American
One advantage the Bangu/MTA girls have is the depth of their club. Their U16's can scrimmage their own U15 and U17 teams etc. They really don't need to travel to play/scrimmage other top flight competition. They also have the luxury of scrimmaging the Minnesota Lightning team as well as training with them. I also agree with another earlier post about not tipping your hand to primary opponents prior to State Cup.
I 'll bet big money that 6:06 AM,6:32 AM, and 6:37 AM are all the same person. If no one else will compliment you , what the heck compliment yourself.
Congratulatins to all of the girls listed, clearly Bangu had a significantly more competitive program when these girls were in their early developmental stages. Bangu did a great job of seeking out the best players from surrounding CC's and put together some nice "All Star Teams" . Give them credit, they have "raised the bar: but, although they will still have some good top teams other clubs have now decided to fight back and offer comparable training options for the high level athlete.
Mn soccer is really on a significant up tick. Good work to all who are involved in the recently broadened escalation of play.
7:23, Me again... Last spring Bangu entered teams into State Cup at 6 different girl's age levels. (no entry at U19) They won championships in 5 of the 6 ages. (btw, at U13 and U14 Bangu teams played each other in State Cup final) How much more competitive do they need to be to match that of when the current U17's were in their "development stages"? I'm sure many will be interested in your answer.
Amusing that now some who dislike MTA are trying to stir things up with SSM and use them as a proxy for their barbs against MTA. Don't take the bait SSM'ers. I and most other MTA people have nothing but respect for your program and what you are trying to accomplish. Don't let the anon blog posters get your goat.
7:41 Bangu was clearly the choice for the top player who desired year around training in the past. You are correct about the State Cup results. Bangu entered more teams and won more championships than any other club. They "set the bar". Sincerely: Congratulations and Thank you. What I was saying is in the past they would have the pick of the litter for that player who desired year around training opportunities. Today several other clubs are offering that same type of training for their top teams which takes away the need for the top players from those clubs to leave and play for Bangu/MTA. There are still top players in clubs not offering the serious player an equally serious training opportunity, however , There are now others offering an alternative to the Bangu/MTA program. Many for a significantly lower cost.
7:41 Bangu was clearly the choice for the top player who desired year around training in the past. You are correct about the State Cup results. Bangu entered more teams and won more championships than any other club. They "set the bar". Sincerely: Congratulations and Thank you. What I was saying is in the past they would have the pick of the litter for that player who desired year around training opportunities. Today several other clubs are offering that same type of training for their top teams which takes away the need for the top players from those clubs to leave and play for Bangu/MTA. There are still top players in clubs not offering the serious player an equally serious training opportunity, however , There are now others offering an alternative to the Bangu/MTA program. Many for a significantly lower cost.
Well said 741. That is one of the biggest problems (among many) with this blog. People will present themselves as members of a group and say things to entice a backlash against that group. Often the original post and the backlash come from the same person. Unless someone identifies themself I would not take seriously anything they say. It is amusing though.
Fact check here. The whole MTA not playing SSM was brought on here by a post from an MTA coach. Not people out to get MTA. Think before you post the paranoid stuff.
Agree that Bangu is responsible for much of the success on the girls side. Agree also that this success has inspired other clubs to step up their offering to match Bangu/MTA. Agree also that some top players have taken advantage of this and MTA does not have a monopoly on top players, particularly at younger ages. It is all good, some people are so binded by jealousy or envy on both sides that they can't see it. Agree also that SSM is a fine program. They will never be a big alternative for MN kids though IMO as you are required to attend school there. Also the SSM program is a national one and spots for MN players will always be limited if they are successful. I question if SSM will last though on the girls side. As someone (10's dad?)noted earlier females are much more reluctant than males to leave home. If they are from a metro area with a successful proven club program such as Eclipse, Slammers, Texans, SLSC etc it is a tough sell to get them to Faribault. Once the current excellent crop of U18's move on will be the test. Time will tell.
The fact remains many Bangu/MTA coaches have played SSM teams. Some Bangu/MTA coaches won't just as in past they refused to play stong SCV or WNG (or fill in the blank) teams prior to State Cup. This is a coach's prerogative and not a dicate by the club to avoid SSM.
I have been affiliated with 3 youth teams, some Bangu, some not. None of them has ever scrimmaged teams that they could eventually play in State Cup. I also am not aware of other teams in our age groups playing each other in friendlies. Why is this surprising to people?
if you are from ssm and are disappointed that a scrimmage with a specific mta team can not be arranged, then you might have a legitimate gripe. however, if you are from EVERY OTHER club other than ssm, they why would you even care (other than to cast stones at mta)?
I'd like to know what the scholarship levels are that players are recieving. I have a strong suspicion that many of the names on the MN players list are not recieving significant scholarship dollars. Just because you make a list telling the World that you signed with a program at a University doesn't mean that you are on scholarship.
In my opinion, I think that to find the highly sought after recruits one must go to:
This will show you the Top 100 recruits. Can someone please show me a non-SSM player from Minnesota who made the list? Also, how many SSM players are listed here? Where is your representation on the Top 100 MTA?
9:41 - please confirm if you are a ssm parent. if so, you should be proud of your daughter's school. if not, then the only plausible explanation for your post is to sling a few arrows.
anon 9:41, Are any of the players listed from SSM actually Minnesotans or are they just attending school at SSM? I really wouldn't call players who are at SSM true Minnesotans unless they came up through a Minnesota club.
Man!! I go to bed last nite and this site was at 887 or something like that, then this morning I pull it up and all hell has broken loose. Some people need to stop posting who is going to what school, awards etc..Big stinking deal. Its great that ALL players are going to college isnt it? I can tell you right now that my player and a Bangu player that will be attending UWGB that will be exchanging college tshirts. You know, 6:06am, I think you posting that list is downright sad. The links are posted, let anyone go read it on there own, what is the purpose of that?? To brag?? Well, good for you!! Hope your player is on that list. Because, that is all it is, is a list.
By the way, the US U17s won last night in World Cup, coming from behind to beat Germany 2-1, they are in the finals v NKorea. DiMartino from the US has scored in every game, oh, and by the way, she will be attending Boston College. Big deal huh??
Despite all of the imbicilic posts above, I really don't think there should be a rivalry between SSM and MTA.
MTA attracts players mostly from the Twin Cities suburban area that mostly have well funded school districts and quality educations, and a reasonable drive to a quality training environment.
SSM attracts players mostly from rural areas that don't have the same educational opportunities and that require unreasable drives to the nearest quality training environment.
1020 there really is no rivalry, other than obvious competition at ages where SSM fields state cup teams as there is between any two clubs who compete. Most of what you see are barbs being tossed by people who are not part of either club who feel they can further their cause or maybe just feel better if SSM and MTA are after each other. Use others to accomplish what you cannot yourself.
11/11 at 2:32 A self described MTA coach has the following as part of his post:
5:34’s post was a good one. People may be surprised to know that at our club coaches meeting a few weeks back MA publicly confronted two of our more well-known elite coaches when they were looking to mandate no MTA teams going down to play SSM teams. These coaches believed that SSM doesn’t play by the same rules as all other MYSA clubs play by in terms of recruiting and they felt that because of this we shouldn’t bring our players to the jackals, so to speak.
Clear up for me how this is the work of outside trouble makers?
10:36 - i guess the bigger question is unless you are in someway connected to either ssm or mta, why would you care what the mta coach had to say on 11/11 at 2:32?
10:20...Well said!! And to justify it, we played with Eclipse as many on here know, won a Natl Championship etc..she went to a tournament with Eclipse and the coach told her she was lacking on the field (prior to coming to Shattuck), why? cuz she wasnt getting the right training, or training with the same type of caliber, so it was easy for us, Shattuck!! havent looked back since. Hey, Im not trying to say Shattuck is better than MTA, Eclipse or Joe Blow SC, for each there own. We think Shattuck has helped, and she will be much more ready for college next summer!! One other thing I would like to add, she played with Lightning this past summer, and again, she did that to help herself for college. You cant find that anywhere. And she is thinking of coming back for the Lightning tryout again in the spring. So, is it wrong of her to play with Lightning if the final outcome is all the same as playing for Shattuck? Its all helping her to gain her goals. There isnt any feelings that we feel like we are better than anyone else. This is just the route SHE wanted to do.
Exactly 1040. The 1036 post and others like it are a perfect example of the type of person 1025 refers to. Make a big issue out of 1-2 peoples' opinion and go way beyond what they said in order to attempt to cause friction among others. Or in some cases fabricate completely. Sad.
1036, 10:40pm. 11/11 2:32, wtf? Why can't this site force monikers? I don't want to wait until the end of a post to find out who is writing it. This whole chaotic blog site is very representative of the current MN soccer scene. Want more productive banter for the good of the game? Step up and force people to take a name and sign in to post. All others can read. Might actually get some credible posters posting thoughts. Minimize all this other crap.
Attack-counter attack...everybody wants to be a factor. Everbody wants to be a winner #1. We're talking kid soccer. No wonder our country is blue vs red and can't get a damned thing done. Didn't your parents ever tell you "if you don't have anything good to say then just shut up".
SSM, in hopes of some constructive banter that I promise I will give (can't say the same for others), do you feel it's fair that SSM competes in the MN State Cup?
It is well within the rules of USYS. Where else can they try and make it through the National Championship Series? The rules are very, very clear that it is allowed and special provisions have been made for Boarding Schools. This provision was in place long before the SSM program came to be.
The short answer to your question is....yes. I feel it is fair and within the rules.
Let me turn the same question around and ask you.....if you don't feel it is fair for SSM to compete in MN State Cup, what route should they take through the USYS National Championship Series?
Is it fair for SSM hockey teams to compete in Nationals? Same thing....
Would it be fair to the players to not be able to try and compete for a National Championship?
Believe me, if there was something even remotely wrong with it.....Minnesota Youth Soccer would put a stop to it. Something would have been done during Nationals last year.
Funny thing is, I never heard of anyone at Nationals complaining that they had to play SSM? What about programs like IMG? Should IMG be allowed to play in Florida State Cup? Why aren't the same complaints being heard out of Florida about them?
I have no problem with competition. I simply asked if SSM thought it was fair. To me it's not. Regardless of what the rules say it's not right to have players who live in MN for 8 months during the year, players recruited outside of MYSA rules from across the entire nation, to be allowed to compete in a local state cup. I'd say the same for IMG in Florida.
Should SSM be allowed to compete for a National title? Sure. But earn it through MRL, not through a state cup tournament.
Disagree? You can. But for all the rules trying to get SSM players into MYSA state cup through Faribaul SC, why do they call the U18B SSM at Regionals/Nationals? Why not Faribault SC?
I don't think U of MN grads should be allowed to leave the state to work in NY or, let's say FL. For that matter, why are UW grads allowed to work at General Mills. The point is, why is MTA allowed to absorb players from all over the metro and even outstate. It's a free market, at least until Obama gets in office, then he will disallow all competition and MTA will have to turn all CC players back to their respective CC's.
I say, let's encourage BSM and AHA to start their own academies. Matter of fact, also SW Christian and CDH and Totino. That would really give both MTA and SSM a run for their money--no pun intented. Gosh, I almost forgot Blake and Breck.
I say good for SSM for bringing more competition to the state. Our CC players are getting better every year and because of SSM and MTA, more of them will have a chance to play someday at ELR on a day like today, where about 1/3 of the players on the field were from Minnesota's various clubs. Granted, the majority of them at one time played at Bangu, but they ALL grew up in MN's CC's and learned their basic skills from our CC's. Truly a very good night for the roots of MN soccer.
Today's results is the best thing to ever happen to the younger soccer players in MN, as college coaches around the Midwest have to be wondering why they don't recruit more MN kids. Rayfield? Wilkins? You out there?
Has another former bangu tsunami team imploded. Heard several U-18 players migrating elsewhere to c.c. and that womens U-18 coach resigned. Is this going to be the eventual outcome of all the MTA multi-teams in one age bracket. Look what all those fee paying parents of U8-12 parents and players have to look forward to. And what do those migrating players have to show for it, gratitude and admiration for what they gave up playing with their friends and developing lasting relationship with high school teammates. And thank your parents for all the additional driving and overpriced training they received.
Actually the vast majority (I would probably put the number at 100%) play for the University of Minnesota. Does it really matter who spent one year here, two years there, etc.... The important thing is that they are all Gophers and we should be supporting them. The people who should be commended are the girls themselves, their coaches along the way (from house league when they were young, cc traveling, to club soccer) and their parents who supported them every step of the way.
I'm 8:47 and my point was that MN girl's soccer is on a major upswing thanks to their developmental coaches, the domes (winter training). Whether MTA, Shattuck or whoever survives will be determined by market forces. I am not an MTA fan, but their actions of taking the better CC players over the years has improved the trainiong of the "awake" CC clubs. So, I say thanks to both MTA and Shattuck and any other clubs which have supported high level "elite" travel teams. Didn't AO, KP and MR all also play at PSA? And yes. the St. Croix Eclectic has put out a bunch of solid D-1 players. We should all be proud of both Minny and SDSU for where they both are with more than a healthy dose of MN's best. The good thing is that you will begin to see more and more of MN players achieving higher and higher status as we move forward.
Speaking of the "U" Women's team it's great to see MDW's first recruiting class having such great success as seniors. Obviously MDW had a better handle of the situation than all the bloggers who were trashing her. Considering all the bashing she's taken on this blog the past 2-3 years I think it's time we give her the congratualtions she's earned for taking this program to the NCAA for the 1st time in over a decade.
I say let them play. But I also admitt it cetainly stretches the boundries of "normal" club play. I remember several years ago a boy from Southern Canada played a season for Bangu, can't remember the details but he was not an exchange student. I think his dad had an airplane and they were looking to play on a team of like ability players, they chose Bangu. Many complain about Bangu/MTA recruiting from the metro area now "recruiting" is done by all clubs that have a high level team ie: Premier or very good C1 teams.
Clubs that I know recruit to some degree now (this is a statement of fact NOT a rip) MTA Edina MTKA Burnsville Dakota Rev Lakeville Woodbury Cottage Grove St Croix Blackhawks MU
This list could go on and on.
Bangu brought the recruitment game to a new level, and was rewarded with some great teams. Others are following and are also producing some very good teams. SSM is now moving to another level due to their unique arrangement as a boarding school, good for them,not my cup of tea, but for each his/her own. Someone raises the bar others work harder to attain the bar. Its like the way America used to work. (sorry had to get my bailout rip in).
The future of soccer in MN (IMO) is fewer but stronger clubs. I see it starting to develop with some not community based but more area based clubs emerging ie:St Croix, Dakota Rev, North Metro. No one is forced to be part of any of the clubs mentioned but people are CHOOSING to attend because they see Value in the product offered. Just my opinion.
mn state cup- What does "...players recruited outside of MYSA rules from across the entire nation..." mean?
If you are saying that SSM is violating Minnesota Youth Soccer Rules on recruiting/poaching... could you please elaborate on what rule is being broken and how? No need for specific examples yet, just specifics on the rule they are breaking.
It really IS interesting how the same discussions happen over and over again. Maybe this time I'll get the answers I have been looking for over the past year or so.
One other interesting happening this weekend.....the SSM U16s are playing an EP team tomorrow. Not sure if it is the (as reported here) U16 State Cup favorites or not? Anyone have any insight on which team is going to SSM tomorrow?
From the comments here regarding player movements and such....it seems to be the general feeling that EP U16s are favored. Obviously not to those who have kids on the MTA U16 Blue, but there HAS been a fairly significant change to that team. Hard to lose National Pool player and say you haven't lost strength, isn't it?
SSM-SC, I think you're forgetting to take one factor into consideration when evaluating the two teams...one has "professional" coaches, while the other does not.
The only factor I am taking into consideration are the ones that count....results. Look, again, I am not trying to start a fight. Sorry I made the "favorites" comment- FORGET ABOUT IT. IT MATTERS NOT WHAT ANY OF US THINKS.
Is there anyone here who can tell me what team is traveling to SSM tomorrow? EP people? Where are you?
the EP team is last year's U15 state cup runners up.
until someone beats MTA, they are still the favorites in my book. they've added some nice pieces and still have a talent edge and definitely an edge in depth.
ssm, your soccer program recruits year round under the banner of the school and not as Faribault SC, your MYSA wig. Don't you think that violates MYSA policy? Again all this is said in semi-constructive banter. I have no problem with what SSM stands for and am impressed with the talent they've assembled to date. I believe programs like SSM are GREAT for the game. I am only trying to find out if you truly believe it is FAIR for MYSA to allow your school to participate in the MN state cup. Your school should be allowed their national run without taking a MN slot. Then again when you win Region 2 I guess the R2 states will then complain that a place at nationals should belong to a R2 team and that SSM is taking one of their spots :-)
Guess the elite can never win but I do believe that the elite should have a chance to prove themselves the best. Just not at the expense of a local team made up of kids from this state. Hope you can see and respect where I am coming from.
As for EP's 16s they have one player to watch out for. Other than her they are just a decent U16 team but will give you a far, far better game than a Dakota REC U15 team. Interesting to hear about the game tomorrow so let us know how it ends up.
One player? I believe they have another midfielder who use to play for bangu but left. I also think they have a couple all state high school players. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
What will be your excuse if MTA loses to EP in state cup? Very interested to hear about that.
5:05- Calling ES a professional coach is a joke! Last year's state cup he focused on one girl (man marking) for the entire game and left an entire flank wide open for over 15 minutes before being approached by other BANGU coaches who had to help him out. He is lucky for the OWN goal by EP.
They can't be playing for MTA 16 Blue if the story is true.
Go to Mnthunder.com Youth development Minnesota Thunder Academy
It will bring you to the tryout results. Bangu 16s blue already have 17 players and the two Germans would make 19. You can not have more than 18 on the roster for this age group.
More hater idiots. I'm not MC. I'm simply asking south campus what he believes is fair.
As for EP, take their forward away from them and they are still a good team. But MN All State doesn't hold much weight regionally or nationally. Could they beat MTA's 16s in state cup? Of course they could. It's sure to be a tight match up if they meet up. But I'd man mark on a team that I believed only had one player who could hurt us. Most coaches at this level would as well. That team has 1/3 of the success they've had if that player isn't with them. Great CC, many players short from a regional powerhouse. I call it like I see it. Interested in south campus' take on them after this weekend.
@12:20AM Where in my above posts did you read that I thought MTA was a lock for State Cup or even a lock over the EP team? I heard MTA had a player leave for the Woodbury team but from what I saw last year that player did not account for 90% of the team's goals like a certain other player does for EP. It's good to have two competitive teams at this age group. Makes for some tense and exciting times next May. If the top players at this age group come together though we'll have a fine and true (right south campus?) MN representative at Regionals.
1220 if that player is a "superstar" then there are at least 4 other "superstars" at this age group. Not saying there are not, but you can't possibly follow that age group and think one player is better than all the others.
MN State Cup- I still don't understand what MYSA rule you think has been broken? You did say "...your soccer program recruits year round under the banner of the school and not as Faribault SC, your MYSA wig. Don't you think that violates MYSA policy?" Short answer-- NO. It doesn't violate MYSA policy. If it did, don't you think that someone would have put a stop to it? It isn't as if SSM has any "political" power within MYSA.
You then go on to say that "Your school should be allowed their national run without taking a MN slot." USYS doesn't care about anything other than simply where the team resides as a whole within boundaries (and Faribault IS within MN borders).
Bottom line: These kids reside for more than 9 months inside MN borders. They could vote in MN legally if they were 18, and would pay MN income tax if employed. Just because they didn't begin thier soccer career in MN doesn't change anything.
So, yes. Yes I do believe it is fair. There is no charity in the USYS National Championship Series. Each State Cup (first stop in the USYS NCS) has its own geographical area it serves. SSM happens to be located in the geography represented by the MN State Cup. Sorry. It is what it is.
Not sure what "fair" means. Does SSM have a huge advantage over MN clubs because they can recruit nationally? Of course. Is it fair? Doesn't matter, because it is perfectly legal as SSMSC states. This is a dead issue.
11:06- I don't understand either your logic or what you are complaining about. Please help me to understand?
All I am saying is that there have been no rules broken. This is evidenced by two things in my mind.
1) No one has been able to cite, show, produce even a quotation of any specific MYSA or USYS rule which has been broken by SSM. I have been asking for this for well over a year.....no production.
2) There has been no formal protest, sanction, or issue (other than with grumpy parents who THINK they know what the rules are). The non-relevance of the "it isn't fair" complaint is absolutely obvious to anyone who has put effort into understanding the rules regarding these issues (and what the spirit/intent of these rules is/was).
It doesn't matter. Until MTA or SCV or WDB or EP or anyone else sets up a boarding school they cannot bring in players from other states or countries to play. They can recruit all they want. It is what it is. It is unfortunate if MN kids lose opportunities because of this whether in USYSA or ODP or whatever but those are the breaks. Life is hard and things don't always work out the way you want. There are more important things than soccer.
Maybe the kids don't have to "lose" opportunities? They have every opportunity to be a part of the program at SSM. While I do understand the thoughts behind why some feel it is morally wrong (even though within the rules)-- I disagree with this stance.
If the program was closed to MN kids and was not one of the choices a MN player has.....then I would agree that it would be unfair to take up a "MN slot". But, the only thing that is stopping a MN player from attending SSM is themselves.
SSMSC I agree with you 100% except for your presumption as to the "spirit and intent" of the rules. The boarding school exception exists to allow the occasional boarding school student who happens to be a soccer player thoe opportunity to play. It did not countenance a school bringing in a whole team of players for the main purpose of playing soccer. A good rule that has been taken advantage of. That said SSM is as you say absolutely entitled under the rules to do this. Those who think they are not need to check the rule book.
11:39- I somewhat disagree with you about the boarding school rule. The intent was atleast partially to allow exactly this type of situation for the likes of IMG/Bradenton.
1051 CASL is still a good tournament, who you play all depends on your flight. The issue is from U15-U17 all the best teams, National league members, play each other in League games. That thins out the quality for the other flights. At U18 and above a lot of teams cut back their schedules and soccer is not as serious as it was. Therefore all the showcase tournaments are not as difficult at that age as they are from 15-17.
Watching the webcast of the SSM U16 game. Score late in the second half is SSM 1 whoever from EP 0. The EP team has two players I have been very impressed with, one is a tall, blonde mid #21 the other is a girl up top whose name starts with an "L" and is #2.
the reason ssmsc is hung up on the ruling is it's between the lines. talking so much about bending a rule so far is revealing the shame and the guilt. no one here will approve. competition is equal footing.
2:10- The reason I am so hung up on the "ruling" is that I am tired of accusations of rules being broken or bent. To date NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO POINT ME TO THE RULE YOU SPEAK OF.
Many people parrott things that others say, not bothering to research the truth. That is the case with many here. I have researched these rules you are claiming have been broken or bent (in EVERY State Association) and the claims are not valid in ANY of them.
i don't think anyone says it is illegal or breaking any rules. most of the complaints have more to do with it being "fair" or "within the spirit". some things can be legal but not fair.....
CASL is a joke. A bunch of unranked and lower ranked regional teams. Tournament is a waste of time and money. Stay home and preactice. Where are all the nationally ranked teams???
8:14- That was the confirmation I got from my daughter this evening as well.
As far as the CASL discussion goes...
CASL draws many college coaches from high-end Division 1 schools. These coaches are coming to for the opportunity to see quality players in thier game.
The players/teams aren't there to win a title or hardware, they are there to be seen.
So....I believe that the investment to attend CASL (in particular) is appropriate. It may not be for all levels of teams, players, or clubs. Depends on what you are looking for from your club.
The teams listed above are average at best. Wasting their time. If your team is not Elite your going just to catch a few rays and give your club something to market. If your team isn't Elite you won't be seen by anybody.
Been to the Final Four event 3 yrs running, last yr it was in College Station, I can say that numerous scouts were at every game. And SSMSC is correct, Final Four Showcase is not about the hardware, its about playing in front of the scouts. Why are you so hooked on winning?? Thats part of the problem.
10s Dad
ps. USA U17s lost in the World Cup final 2-1 in OT. North Korea scored a own goal in first 3 mins, it stood till the 73rd min win NK put one past the US. Now, this level IS about winning. There is a difference.
10:18- I disagree with you with regard to "not being seen by anybody". I can tell you that there will be atleast 5 large conference D-1 coaches (SEC, Big Ten, Big Twelve x2, and C-USA)at the SSM U16 games. Those are the ones I know for sure.
If you were to sit back and wait for coaches to "find your kid"...you're right. Don't waste your time. Have the player do a little marketing/networking and they will show up. Key lessons that can only be learned from those who have been down the road (thanks, 10s Dad).
See, that is what everyone is missing here. There is a TON of knowledge and experience represented right here on this blog. Instead of arguing about the meaningless stuff....why not talk about actual productive stuff that people can benefit from? Instead, we just want to alienate everyone who doesn't choose the same path as we do. That doesn't really foster an environment where people want to share knowledge. But, it must be more fun to try and put people down than try to learn anything?
College coaches primarily come to see the players who have contacted them and that they are interested in. It does not matter what flight you are in. They will come to your game and see you play. It is true they would prefer you play for as good a team as possible and against other excellent teams so as to get a better read on your ability. This is not a must however.
SSMSC is correct, you have too in most cases, make the first move, YOU have to call the coaches of these schools and let THEM know your interested in them. The bad thing about this thou, is when the coach(s) come to watch, and your player doesnt show well, then, you might not hear back from them. Kinda a 1 and done sort of thing. Look at Notre Dame's roster, they arent all from Eclipse or Texans..Same way with UNC's roster. There is no rule saying kids from Minnesota cant play at UNC, Portland, Clemson, Texas Tech. CASL is a HUGE showcase (not tournament). Most D1 coaches are there anyway watching the NCAA final four. There are like 24 brackets of 4 in the U19 division. That is alot of teams. Which means alot of scouts. Who cares if you win or lose, the scouts are not recruiting/scouting teams, they are recruiting/scouting players.
10s Dad
ps. Congrates to the Gopher Ladies!! Good luck v Notre Dame. Notre Dame is not 100%. The best player in the US, Brittani Bock has not played the last 2 games, knee injury during the Big East tournament, and Kerri Hanks played in a knee brace. Plus their best defender was called up for the U20 World Cup. Minnesota has a chance!!
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anon 12:14.
Let me think...
Didn't the Bangu U18 girls beat SSM U18's at State Cup last April 30th?
Bangu did this with players from Minnesota only while SSM is recruiting nationally.
Just a friendly reminder.
Gee aren't we lucky. Now we can have two clubs with players from other states and countries playing in the MN state cup. I hope MTA and SSM are very proud of their hard earned victories using these players they have developed from U-little on up.
I smell fear eminating from 1:07. Really rich reading a Goober complaining about recruiting. The audacity of.....?
1:07 if you saw that game you know that SSM dominated play and was unlucky to lose. That's soccer. Don't try to say that Bangu was the better team.
1:07, read the earlier posts, mta is bringing in players from Germany. Guess your kid may be looking for a new team soon. You will join the legions who are better off away from there I promise!
that's funny!....I can't wait until spring!
Abboudians? Funny, but someone has some personal issues obviously...
All the anon hate by the handful of cowards. Someone/some group must be doing something very successful to generate these posts. You guys will all be forgotten in a matter of a few years. The Thunder will continue on as they have for the last 15+ years, now replicating what all the MLS teams are doing with the youth. SSM will continue on and build a soccer program to rival their hockey one. You guys can't see that? And you are on here pretending like you have a clue about high level youth development? At least someone is looking our for our state's top players.
Moreover when SSM and MTA have US Development Academy all the top boys will be playing under their banners regardless of what people like you think. With change there are always those who are left behind.
The sad thing is watching people like you attempt to hold back elite programs like SSM or MTA. The sadder thing is that you think you'll do it by posting here. lol
Yes I'm a parent with a kid in one of the above programs. We enjoyed and valued our time with our CC and now look somewhere outside for further development. Do I think my kid has talent? Of course, and I'm trying to help him/her find the tools needed for continued success. The hate from those somehow fearful of SSM/MTA just makes me laugh sometimes. The hate from CC coaching directors is the worst. They are supposed to be here for the players not for themselves.
The only director frequently posting here is from your club. Check your facts first. I question where you get the idea that because your child is talented, that you have more insight into what you call elite soccer, or are you parroting the mta pitch. Enjoy your child's success and more important the effort they expend.
2:55 - maybe you should take some of your own advice and do what you state in your last sentence instead of being so consumed about what other people do......
I'm a frequent poster here and have always maintained that there is room for Bangu/MTA in MN soccer and that MTA is a great place for the "elite" players to come together to compete regionally/nationally if they cannot be a part of a team at the community club level which can compete at that level. God knows there arne't many CC teams which can. My only "beef" with MTA, is that their second and third level teams (formerly white/green) can't compete even regionally, just check the MRL standings from the past couple of years. Sadly, many of these players/parents are being led down the path, wheras, if you play nfor MTA, you will reach the apex of soccer. As MN soccer people know, that simply is not true. As for the coaching at MTA, some are great coaches, but some are seriouly lacking any real ability to develop players. All of that said, to each his own. Would my kid ever play at MTA? I would never say never, but the oldest one plays on a much better club team than any MTA offering at that age group and the younger one is still young enough so as not yet have to make a decision. I do believe we can all make our own choices about where our kids do play. I also know that top level players from outside MTA are frequently asked to "guest" play with MTA teams and that all in all, MTA has been quite good for "raising the bar" ion MN soccer.
yea, the Bangu girls beat SSM last Spring, but lets remember, the colleges are the ones that are getting the final product. And lets see where what players are where in a few yrs when it REALLY matters. You keep count of the youth wins. In the mean time, see ya at state cup.
Oh yea, I can hear it already, the Stars will be crying all the way IF they lose State Cup that they lost some of there better players. Shattuck played State Cup last yr without 2 starters that were at the Canadian Natl team tryouts. But you didnt hear the cry me a river back then did you??
anon 5:04,
Don't you think a team that recruits nationally and internationally should be able to beat a team with players from 1 metro area?
That's like sending the USC football team up against Gustavus or some other MIAC school?
If you want to brag about being able to beat a Minnesota club team after recruiting nationally go ahead but you look mighty silly.
It appears some folks are taking the bait on the 2 new players supposedly coming here from "Germany"?
Does anyone even know if these players are boys players or girls players?
It appears to me someone is yanking our chain.
514 you are exactly right. It is pathetic to hear people who recruit nationally brag about being able to beat teams with players from one metro area. Almost as pathetic as hearing people who recruit an entire metro area bragging about beating teams with players from one community.
534-
That is, without a doubt, the greatest post in the history of this blog.
Anonymous said...
There may be a few teams like the Stars or this years u18 MTA team that would not benefit from playing premier league
What is the reasoning of the Stars not playing Premier this Spring?
5:34 DITTO !!! Well said.
When I stated the Inferno would beat the Stars I didn't realize the Stars were losing some players. No doubt that now the Stars would get blown out by the Inferno. Maybe JE will again try to invite the Stars into their lair.
Someone is trying to stir something up between the Stars and Inferno and I'll put money on it being someone not associated with either team. Many of the girls play on the 1991 ODP team together and the coaches work together with the Minnesota Lightning. There is a healthy respect and admiration between both teams. Best wishes to both of them as I am sure they will begin training soon.
Why is there an incessant need to chop people/teams down and stir things up?
What I don't understand is why Inferno hasn't played up in State Cup all these years. They go to regions every year at their own age group and get whipped, 1-10-1 or something like that. If they can beat the Stars, who do moderately well at their age group, wouldn't it make sense for Inferno to play up at what must be the weaker age group at regionals?
I heard Stars got the two German players.
738 don't take the bait. Nobody thinks WDB 17 is better than MTA 18. There are many years of results that indicate differently, regionals in particular. 731 could be correct or possibly there actually is an over the top WDB parent. Or possibly just someone trying to embarrass the Inferno for some reason. Or maybe JE is trying to bait DS into giving her a game.
The German players are playing for the MTA U16 team.
I heard it was Stars.
I saw the German players working out last weekend at the EP dome. They are a couple of the best players I've seen in the last Seven years.They have their own personal trainer who has relocated to MPLS. from Germany. Their family got most of their wealth in the fourties from their aircraft company which has since been sold for gazillions.
We talkin Inferno? We talkin Inferno? Whatcha snorton....
Who the heck is the inferno.Never heard of em. I assume they are a real team.Where are they located.
I guess the story on MTA and the Germans will be on Ch. 11 tomorrow at 6pm.
OK I'll bite. Even if true, these players will not be eligible for state cup as they do not live in MN. SSM gets away with this because of the boarding school exception. Not going to work MTA.
There is an exception for foreign-exchange students. I know it affects my daughter.
Is the big story that MTA lost another director? Tod H took a full time job in politics instead of heading up the MTA Urban Academy.
Rumor has it that more MTA faithful are on the outs as well as there is some inner turmoil.
Names will come out soon.
I think the Thunder will fold in 2 years due to lack of interest. It's a marketing mess. Camps & Blue only teams remain.
Too many big egos with conflicting agendas.
I hear the Germans are going to Inferno as they have the superior coach in JE.
Are you sure they are German? I thought I heard somewhere that they were Austrian. Put another shrimp on the barbie!
Where is Shekki these days? I miss the insightful posts.
MTA will then take credit for these girls' entire development even though they came to the club at age 16.
They are so strong, their influence could extend to Germany, especially if it helped them recruit here.
I heard Austria was the new shrimp capital of the world. I think they capture them in the Alps. Australia ???
just think what this blog would be like if everyone had to use a moniker.........the posts would probably drop by 80% as some folks wouldn't want everyone to see so many of the various anonymous comments are coming from only the same people......
Would it be any fun though?
Henceforth I will be known as The Scarlet Pimpernel!
I have a moniker it's anonymous. Is someone else using it too? I bet it's a hater trying to be me.
8:24 you'd be left wondering how your directors have any time to coach what with all their posting here to recruit parents and such.
Just in from MTA: Now you get a bucket of sauerkraut and an English-German Dictionary with every registration. The inside word is that Bayern Munich and the Thunder will be forming an alliance. This means everyone should just go home and cry - in German.
Does that mean Col. Klink is the new metro director?
Schu-u-u-ultz!!!!!!!
(from the Scarlet Pimpernel)
Keep it coming haters! lol
I will preface this post by saying I am a MTA coach though new to the group of Bangu people involved. I will also say that I am posting on here to try and provide another side of the story, without the arrogance and self-righteousness that some of you have come to blanket associate with all MTA personnel. I like this blog as through anon postings true feelings come out as people can post without fear of repercussion.
5:34’s post was a good one. People may be surprised to know that at our club coaches meeting a few weeks back MA publicly confronted two of our more well-known elite coaches when they were looking to mandate no MTA teams going down to play SSM teams. These coaches believed that SSM doesn’t play by the same rules as all other MYSA clubs play by in terms of recruiting and they felt that because of this we shouldn’t bring our players to the jackals, so to speak. MA stood up against this attempted mandate stating (I’ll paraphrase here) that this is the same argument that CCs have against our club. We have players from multiple areas and tout our State Cup wins after we've beat teams that draw from a single community. It’s hypocritical. He said MTA cannot preach one thing about being an option for kids then turn around and prevent what could potentially be an even better option to families should they make a choice to pursue SSM. 5:34’s post I think echoes this and it is nice to see similar feelings from BOTH sides.
I realize that the MAters will probably choose not to process what I’m saying here but I do believe that there are many very good people involved with MTA along with those perceived as aholes. Same in every club.
MA has been pretty up front with his thoughts about stuff like this. I think some people get pissed at him mainly because he calls people out and speaks his mind. Check out his recent Blogs, Brit’s, and Board Rooms rant on r2r: http://www.roadtoregionals.com/97-journal/. Doesn't sound like an evil mastermind if you ask me.
And no, I haven’t been brainwashed by the MA-speak. I’m an adult and make my own decisions as to what I believe in and what stances I choose to take. I simply feel it is important to know that people can be painted in one light on this blog without their true being captured. There are many other good people in this club as I know there are many good people in every other club. Everyone has differing opinions and it would be far better for the kids if we would all just shut up and agree to disagree rather than slinging jibes and mud at other peoples’ choices. The chaos in the current youth sports market is sickening sometimes and EVERYONE who contributes on either side is to blame.
The two germans are not coming and they are not playing for MTA 16's. The 16's already have 17 players on their roster. You can not roster more than 18 at this age.
Good try MTA!
2:32:
Well put.
2:32 - I am sorry to inform you that you must stop posting here as your comments where much too succint, thought out, and communicated.
Why would coaches not play anyone who wants to play them is that not cheating the kids for your own agenda?
SS
Here is the key statement in the well written post from above
"I am a MTA coach though new to the group of Bangu people involved."
Give him/her time and they will get a better feel of the history involved with some of the ill will generated from this group.
Congrats too MTA for hiring what appears to be a level headed coach. Lets hope this coach keeps his/her perspective and doesn't get sucked into the negativity surrounding so many peoples thoughts of this group of individuals.
Hats off to MA if he did stand up to the protectionist coaches who wanted to boycott scrimmages with SSM.
8:24... Great post. You can tell that the haters are undereducated and uninformed.
The 7:43 anon brainiac is a Palin relative who can see Austria from their roof.
Anon 7:43 has officially been nominated as president of the "Hate MTA Club".
2:32 and 3:03 spell check!
remember that the 16's roster size is the same as the 17's now. It was anounced at the AGM that this would be changing for next year. There have be other internationals playing for MYSA team. It just takes FIFA paper work if they live for over 6 months in MN....
I think its sad to not allow MTA teams to play SSM teams. Either gender. Its a friendly, bring younger players with you, let them play, Shattuck plays younger players all the time. Both genders.
Let em play Coach!!
Bangu/MTA teams have played the Faribault club's teams many times over the years.
6:04-
White teams. I have not seen a Blue team come for a game in two years. Nor have I seen a girls team younger than U17/U18 in two years.
SSMSouthCampus
Thank you for getting that FACT out. I'm sure the reponse will be that the blue teams are too busy to bother with trivial things like scrimmages at SSM. The coaches are not willing to risk losing there.
10:48-
You may be right. The games I have seen Bangu White teams at have all been in the very busy USYSA Club months of December through February. On the other hand, I have seen the Inferno come to play and other quality teams from surrounding States(even as far as Indiana and Ohio).
SSMSouthCampus
Why is any team required to play any other one? Not taking a side here as have no connection, but curious why anyone cares? Aren't teams allowed to determine their own schedule?
I guess its a good thing for SSM that there are other quality club teams for them to play U16-U18. It's all about options whether for a team or a player.
I would think it would be a win-win situation to scrimmage against some solid competition and depending upon the weekend get some exposure to college coaches.
SSMSC or 10's Dad How often to coaches attend the scrimmages there?
10's Dad can probably answer better than I. I have not seen a lot of Coaches come by for the "little girls", but do know that some of the "big time" programs have sent Coaches to SSM. Heard that just last weekend there was another major conference D1 coach in Illinois watching particular U18 players.
10:10-
You are right, each team has a right to set up whatever games they want. But, it would be a big warning in my mind if my kid's team coaches weren't taking all offers to play every competitive game they could. ESPECIALLY in the winter months to keep the players match-fit against good competition. You are waayyyy ahead if you can stay match-fit year round!
SSMSouthCampus
SSMSC during the first year of SSM's program Bangu held a showcase tournament at SSM in cooperation with them. Plans were to make it an annual event but the following year SSM decided to go it alone in holding the event and Bangu had to relocate to St. Cloud which caused some difficulties. Some tensions arose from this and thus there has been limited play between the two clubs. Both sides could have handled it better. The older Bangu teams also very seldom play friendlies. The showcase tournaments and MRL gain them all the exposure they need. Really not a major issue, not sure why it is being discussed here other than there are some who will always find a reason to criticize MTA for some reason or another.
I thought the "blue" teams were the top teams ready to play the highest level of competition. Correct, nobody is required to play I would ask as a parent of a player on those teams why we are ducking SSM.
Well, we went down to Ctown this past weekend for 2 games, and the Univ of Miami-ACC (FL) head coach was there scouting one of our players. She came and watched us play both Sat and Sun. I joked with her about why didnt she come up and watch us play in a controlled enviorment in the dome instead of watching us play in the freezing cold last w/end. She told us that she really liked watching the team play. This is the 2nd player that Miami is interested in. EH from SSM will be attending Miami next yr.
Some of the coaches that have visited SSM are Iowa, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Boston University, Minnesota to name just a few.
The yearly Shattuck Adidas Showcase held every Jan is a very good event. Iv seen the table full of the teams profiles (from all the clubs attending) filled on Saturday morning, and by the end of the tournament, most of the profiles are gone. I think the ODP weekend also is a big hit in the winter months as well. Heck, club teams from IND, StL, WI and Ctown have come up for the showcase every year.
My take, who cares who wins in Jan, they are games, games the coaching staff can work from in training in the following weeks after the games.
10s Dad
1131 Can't speak for all the Blue teams but ours plays enough games over the winter months with 3-4 tourneys and then MRL early in the spring. When we do have a scrimmage it is usually with the Lightning. Don't see any need to drive to Faribault. No ducks or even geese involved. Hope our coach is reading this.
except for those who might have ulterior motives, can we all say "mountain out of a molehill?" and i could care less about either mta or ssm.
Pathetic excuses. What about the good of the game, isn't Bangu/MTA about raising the level of soccer here? Of course, it is all those people out to get us our patented fall back plan.
I'm with 12:31. Why do any of you people care who plays who? You all need to get a life of your own. Who cares about MTA or SSM. There is good soccer beyond those two.
Are any teams traveling to Texas Cup, CASL or Disney this early winter?
SSM does not develop players. They collect players from all over the country who were developed by their local clubs. The cream of the crop get free rides while the mediocre players pick up the tab.
SSM is afraid to play a national schedule for fear of damaging their marketing strategy.
How many of SSM's players got D1 athletic scholarships this year?
Why would any NORMAL kid want to go and live in Fairbault. There is absolutely nothing to do there.
If a kid was really good they'd be going to the top acadamies in Florida where you train out doors year around. SSM is just a wannabe and can't compete with the elite soccer acadamies in Florida or Texas.Parents spending a lot of money just to boost their egos and get the kid out of the house.
Lot's of talk about nothing. SSM will probably be closed down in a year or two.
12:46,
Good point!
Woodbury Inferno, SSM 16s & Eden Praire 16s are in CASL.
MTA 15, MTA 16s, MTA 18s, Eden Prairie 16s & Woodbury Inferno are all doing the disney tournament.
I think that was everyone. I could be wrong. Accepted teams are on the two websites.
12:46..Easy one, go to the CASL website and look at what teams will be attending..by the way, the CASL Final Four tickets are sold out if anyone was planning on attending.
1:05..Ah, Im sure you know first hand that SSM doesnt develop players right?? First hand knowledge?? Free rides, LOL..right!! I think you have stink all over your comment. How many players will be attending D1 next yr..go to BigSoccer.com and go to the spreadsheet and pull up any club and look for yourself.
And as for the Natl schedule, what do you mean by that? RedBull is for U15/16s, that is the only girls Natl League that Im aware of. MRL (fall/spring), CASL, Vegas, Nomads, what more are you looking for?
1:21..Do you know what your kid is doing most nites away from home? I thought so. My kid is living at Shattuck, not Faribo.
By the way, IMG is more expensive than Shattuck, and the school down there is 1/2 of what the kids at Shattuck are getting. As for if a kid was that good they would be in Florida etc..Im sure you have read the ESPN Top 50 players list and seen what team/club these players are from right? For each their own.
Hey, if MTA wants to play Shattuck, great, if not, no big deal. Im sure if Shattuck 18G's are promoted to MRL Premier, which they should, then the teams will play then and again at State Cup. So there you have it.
I have nothing against MTA or any club in MN. Its not personal. I can say thou, that you dont know how good you have it up here compared to where we are from. You guys have alot more choices to make for your players.
10s Dad
I believe an earlier post about Bangu playing Faribault many times was a tongue in cheek comment about the fact that Bangu teams play the actual Faribault club teams in south district league play. They have for years.
The reality is the SSM teams aren't open to everyone like all other MYSA clubs are.
You must attend school at SSM to play on those particular teams.
In regards to actually playing the SSM teams many coaches prefer not to play their primary competitors and show them what they have prior to State Cup.
I'm not sure thats the reason but I know for a fact last year the Bangu U19 boys scrimmaged SSM U18's as my son played for the Bangu U19's.
I think it's an individual coach decision nothing being pushed down from the Bangu/MTA board.
Great point 4:36..that is how it is back home in Iowa with some clubs, but others want to play prior to State Cup.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=poknaL_RaORDOMcyz_riBDA&gid=6
Here is the link to the 09/10 recruiting class....Spare me the SSM MTA banter...let them play...heck last year if I remeber right, the U-18 semis for the girls was a close exciting game...well hyped on the old blog..not sure why any MTA coach or SSM coach would not want to play each other in Jan or Feb..makes no sense...especially if you are preaching development..
And for the ignorant folk out there..this is my daughters third year at SSM..if we wanted to collect hardware she would have stayed where she was...I find it quite amusing how serious folk here YOUTH SOCCER.....The 17's and 18's are just starting to understand the game...sorry all you U-5 to U-16 parents....
7's Dad
SSM and future programs like it are a threat to the possessions of MTA. Prepare for being attacked for your success. Even with the shadow of State Cup over them, the best teams need to play friendlies as we are a bit geographically isolated.
Prefer to play friendlies with the Minnesota Lightning. Top competition and local field.Why travel to the Twin City baja Fairbault and play some wannabes.
How many SSM players were offered athletic scholarships to D1 schools last year? I'm sure the know it all SSM experts would have that info on the tip of their tounges.
Never mind. The number is so low they won't respond.
Did the kid who went to UCLA get one or was she a walk on.
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Ainsworth, Gabby D Coralville, IA IOWA
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Cline, Chelsea M Des Moines, IA UCLA 2006 U-16 NT Player Pool
2006 January U-16 NT Camp
2006 Nike Premier 50 Camp
2007 U-17 NT Player Pool
2007 February U-17 NT Camp
2007 adidas ESP Camp
2007 Nike Premier 50 Camp
2007 NSCAA Youth All-American
2008 U-18 NT Player Pool
2008 PARADE All-American
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Harrison, Amy D Winnipeg, MB TENNESSEE 2007 Canadian U-17 Player Pool
2008 March U-17 Canadian NT Camp
2008 April U-17 Canadian NT Camp
2008 July U-17 Canadian NT Camp
2008 Team Canada - U-17 WC Qualifying
Team Canada - U-17 World Cup - NZL
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Huser, Emilie M Fort Wayne, IN MIAMI (FLORIDA) 2006 U-16 NT Women's Nike Friendlies
2006 NSCAA Youth All-American
2007 U-17 NT Player Pool
2007 January U-17 NT Camp
2007 adidas ESP Camp
2008 U-18 NT Player Pool
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Levin, Sloane F Hamburg, MI VIRGINIA TECH
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Ochs, Taylor D Omaha, NE SEATTLE PACIFIC
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Rhoades, CJ M Plainfield, IN VANDERBILT 2007 Region II ODP
2008 Region II France Trip
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Bagnall, Olivia M Lakeville, MN MINNESOTA
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Crocker, Kelsey D Eden Prairie, MN CREIGHTON
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Crowell, Megan F Minnetonka, MN CORNELL 2007 Region II ODP
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Gleich, Kelsey M Cottage Grove, MN CLARKE COLLEGE
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Godfrey, Devahn F St. Paul, MN UW-GREEN BAY
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Hoaglin, Rachel M Lakeville, MN VALPARAISO
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Koller, Alex M Bloomington, MN ILLINOIS STATE
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Marier, Delaney D Hastings, MN SOUTH CAROLINA STATE
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North, Kelsey M Apple Valley, MN UW-GREEN BAY
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Phillips, Allie M Vadnais Heights, MN MINNESOTA 2007 Region II ODP
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Price, Marissa M Apple Valley, MN MINNESOTA
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Reinhardt, Chelsea F Lakeville, MN NORTH DAKOTA STATE
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Russell, Madeline M Lakeville, MN IOWA STATE
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Spicher, Allison GK Eden Prairie, MN UW-MILWAUKEE 2008 Region II ODP
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Stapf, Sheri D Lakeville, MN NORTH DAKOTA
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Sturchio, Jennifer GK Rochester, MN UW-GREEN BAY
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Westlund, Briana D Cottage Grove, MN NORTHWESTERN 2007 Region II ODP
2007 NSCAA High School All-American
anon 6:06,
Thanks for that recap.
Are all those girls from the Tsunami Stars team?
If so that's very impressive.
One advantage the Bangu/MTA girls have is the depth of their club.
Their U16's can scrimmage their own U15 and U17 teams etc.
They really don't need to travel to play/scrimmage other top flight competition.
They also have the luxury of scrimmaging the Minnesota Lightning team as well as training with them.
I also agree with another earlier post about not tipping your hand to primary opponents prior to State Cup.
I 'll bet big money that 6:06 AM,6:32 AM, and 6:37 AM are all the same person. If no one else will compliment you , what the heck compliment yourself.
Congratulatins to all of the girls listed, clearly Bangu had a significantly more competitive program when these girls were in their early developmental stages. Bangu did a great job of seeking out the best players from surrounding CC's and put together some nice "All Star Teams" .
Give them credit, they have "raised the bar: but, although they will still have some good top teams other clubs have now decided to fight back and offer comparable training options for the high level athlete.
Mn soccer is really on a significant up tick. Good work to all who are involved in the recently broadened escalation of play.
7:23,
I posted the comments at 6:32 AM, and 6:37 AM.
I did not make the earlier post.
Don't try to be a mind reader.
7:23,
Me again...
Last spring Bangu entered teams into State Cup at 6 different girl's age levels. (no entry at U19)
They won championships in 5 of the 6 ages. (btw, at U13 and U14 Bangu teams played each other in State Cup final)
How much more competitive do they need to be to match that of when the current U17's were in their "development stages"?
I'm sure many will be interested in your answer.
Amusing that now some who dislike MTA are trying to stir things up with SSM and use them as a proxy for their barbs against MTA. Don't take the bait SSM'ers. I and most other MTA people have nothing but respect for your program and what you are trying to accomplish. Don't let the anon blog posters get your goat.
Respect yes,, but we will not risk playing a game or two this winter as we are afraid.
7:41 Bangu was clearly the choice for the top player who desired year around training in the past. You are correct about the State Cup results. Bangu entered more teams and won more championships than any other club. They "set the bar". Sincerely:
Congratulations and Thank you.
What I was saying is in the past they would have the pick of the litter for that player who desired year around training opportunities. Today several other clubs are offering that same type of training for their top teams which takes away the need for the top players from those clubs to leave and play for Bangu/MTA. There are still top players in clubs not offering the serious player an equally serious training opportunity, however , There are now others offering an alternative to the Bangu/MTA program. Many for a significantly lower cost.
7:41 Does the MTA whining persecution complex ever end?
OPPS I meant 7:37:
7:41 Bangu was clearly the choice for the top player who desired year around training in the past. You are correct about the State Cup results. Bangu entered more teams and won more championships than any other club. They "set the bar". Sincerely:
Congratulations and Thank you.
What I was saying is in the past they would have the pick of the litter for that player who desired year around training opportunities. Today several other clubs are offering that same type of training for their top teams which takes away the need for the top players from those clubs to leave and play for Bangu/MTA. There are still top players in clubs not offering the serious player an equally serious training opportunity, however , There are now others offering an alternative to the Bangu/MTA program. Many for a significantly lower cost.
Well said 741. That is one of the biggest problems (among many) with this blog. People will present themselves as members of a group and say things to entice a backlash against that group. Often the original post and the backlash come from the same person. Unless someone identifies themself I would not take seriously anything they say. It is amusing though.
Fact check here. The whole MTA not playing SSM was brought on here by a post from an MTA coach. Not people out to get MTA. Think before you post the paranoid stuff.
Agree that Bangu is responsible for much of the success on the girls side. Agree also that this success has inspired other clubs to step up their offering to match Bangu/MTA. Agree also that some top players have taken advantage of this and MTA does not have a monopoly on top players, particularly at younger ages. It is all good, some people are so binded by jealousy or envy on both sides that they can't see it.
Agree also that SSM is a fine program. They will never be a big alternative for MN kids though IMO as you are required to attend school there. Also the SSM program is a national one and spots for MN players will always be limited if they are successful. I question if SSM will last though on the girls side. As someone (10's dad?)noted earlier females are much more reluctant than males to leave home. If they are from a metro area with a successful proven club program such as Eclipse, Slammers, Texans, SLSC etc it is a tough sell to get them to Faribault. Once the current excellent crop of U18's move on will be the test. Time will tell.
The fact remains many Bangu/MTA coaches have played SSM teams.
Some Bangu/MTA coaches won't just as in past they refused to play stong SCV or WNG (or fill in the blank) teams prior to State Cup.
This is a coach's prerogative and not a dicate by the club to avoid SSM.
I have been affiliated with 3 youth teams, some Bangu, some not. None of them has ever scrimmaged teams that they could eventually play in State Cup. I also am not aware of other teams in our age groups playing each other in friendlies. Why is this surprising to people?
if you are from ssm and are disappointed that a scrimmage with a specific mta team can not be arranged, then you might have a legitimate gripe. however, if you are from EVERY OTHER club other than ssm, they why would you even care (other than to cast stones at mta)?
I'd like to know what the scholarship levels are that players are recieving. I have a strong suspicion that many of the names on the MN players list are not recieving significant scholarship dollars. Just because you make a list telling the World that you signed with a program at a University doesn't mean that you are on scholarship.
In my opinion, I think that to find the highly sought after recruits one must go to:
http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/component/option,com_topdrawer/Itemid,289/gender,f/year,2009/
This will show you the Top 100 recruits. Can someone please show me a non-SSM player from Minnesota who made the list? Also, how many SSM players are listed here? Where is your representation on the Top 100 MTA?
9:41 - please confirm if you are a ssm parent. if so, you should be proud of your daughter's school. if not, then the only plausible explanation for your post is to sling a few arrows.
anon 9:41,
Are any of the players listed from SSM actually Minnesotans or are they just attending school at SSM?
I really wouldn't call players who are at SSM true Minnesotans unless they came up through a Minnesota club.
Man!! I go to bed last nite and this site was at 887 or something like that, then this morning I pull it up and all hell has broken loose. Some people need to stop posting who is going to what school, awards etc..Big stinking deal. Its great that ALL players are going to college isnt it? I can tell you right now that my player and a Bangu player that will be attending UWGB that will be exchanging college tshirts.
You know, 6:06am, I think you posting that list is downright sad. The links are posted, let anyone go read it on there own, what is the purpose of that?? To brag?? Well, good for you!! Hope your player is on that list. Because, that is all it is, is a list.
By the way, the US U17s won last night in World Cup, coming from behind to beat Germany 2-1, they are in the finals v NKorea. DiMartino from the US has scored in every game, oh, and by the way, she will be attending Boston College. Big deal huh??
10s Dad
9:52..Im a SSM parent and it was not I who posted the 9:41 post. heck, I was posting my 9:58 at the time.
I do put my 10s dad signature down when I do post.
10s Dad
10's dad - we would all assume that posting the 6:04am list was also sad. i agree - why should anyone care.
Despite all of the imbicilic posts above, I really don't think there should be a rivalry between SSM and MTA.
MTA attracts players mostly from the Twin Cities suburban area that mostly have well funded school districts and quality educations, and a reasonable drive to a quality training environment.
SSM attracts players mostly from rural areas that don't have the same educational opportunities and that require unreasable drives to the nearest quality training environment.
A different niche, so play nice.
1020 there really is no rivalry, other than obvious competition at ages where SSM fields state cup teams as there is between any two clubs who compete. Most of what you see are barbs being tossed by people who are not part of either club who feel they can further their cause or maybe just feel better if SSM and MTA are after each other. Use others to accomplish what you cannot yourself.
me thinks 10:25 hit it right on the head...
11/11 at 2:32 A self described MTA coach has the following as part of his post:
5:34’s post was a good one. People may be surprised to know that at our club coaches meeting a few weeks back MA publicly confronted two of our more well-known elite coaches when they were looking to mandate no MTA teams going down to play SSM teams. These coaches believed that SSM doesn’t play by the same rules as all other MYSA clubs play by in terms of recruiting and they felt that because of this we shouldn’t bring our players to the jackals, so to speak.
Clear up for me how this is the work of outside trouble makers?
10:36 - i guess the bigger question is unless you are in someway connected to either ssm or mta, why would you care what the mta coach had to say on 11/11 at 2:32?
10:20...Well said!! And to justify it, we played with Eclipse as many on here know, won a Natl Championship etc..she went to a tournament with Eclipse and the coach told her she was lacking on the field (prior to coming to Shattuck), why? cuz she wasnt getting the right training, or training with the same type of caliber, so it was easy for us, Shattuck!! havent looked back since. Hey, Im not trying to say Shattuck is better than MTA, Eclipse or Joe Blow SC, for each there own. We think Shattuck has helped, and she will be much more ready for college next summer!! One other thing I would like to add, she played with Lightning this past summer, and again, she did that to help herself for college. You cant find that anywhere. And she is thinking of coming back for the Lightning tryout again in the spring. So, is it wrong of her to play with Lightning if the final outcome is all the same as playing for Shattuck? Its all helping her to gain her goals. There isnt any feelings that we feel like we are better than anyone else. This is just the route SHE wanted to do.
10s Dad
Exactly 1040. The 1036 post and others like it are a perfect example of the type of person 1025 refers to. Make a big issue out of 1-2 peoples' opinion and go way beyond what they said in order to attempt to cause friction among others. Or in some cases fabricate completely. Sad.
1036, 10:40pm. 11/11 2:32, wtf? Why can't this site force monikers? I don't want to wait until the end of a post to find out who is writing it. This whole chaotic blog site is very representative of the current MN soccer scene. Want more productive banter for the good of the game? Step up and force people to take a name and sign in to post. All others can read. Might actually get some credible posters posting thoughts. Minimize all this other crap.
i always love it when an "anon' rips others for being an "anon" (did i kind of just rip myself as well?).
As I've posred before, my moniker is anonymous and I demand all others stop using it!
Attack-counter attack...everybody wants to be a factor. Everbody wants to be a winner #1. We're talking kid soccer. No wonder our country is blue vs red and can't get a damned thing done. Didn't your parents ever tell you "if you don't have anything good to say then just shut up".
Northsider
Welcome Northsider...10s Dad!
I come here almost every day hoping to read constructive banter and not hate mail. But, to no avail.
SSMSouthCampus
SSM, in hopes of some constructive banter that I promise I will give (can't say the same for others), do you feel it's fair that SSM competes in the MN State Cup?
It is well within the rules of USYS. Where else can they try and make it through the National Championship Series? The rules are very, very clear that it is allowed and special provisions have been made for Boarding Schools. This provision was in place long before the SSM program came to be.
The short answer to your question is....yes. I feel it is fair and within the rules.
Let me turn the same question around and ask you.....if you don't feel it is fair for SSM to compete in MN State Cup, what route should they take through the USYS National Championship Series?
Is it fair for SSM hockey teams to compete in Nationals? Same thing....
SSMSouthCampus
Would it be fair to the players to not be able to try and compete for a National Championship?
Believe me, if there was something even remotely wrong with it.....Minnesota Youth Soccer would put a stop to it. Something would have been done during Nationals last year.
Funny thing is, I never heard of anyone at Nationals complaining that they had to play SSM? What about programs like IMG? Should IMG be allowed to play in Florida State Cup? Why aren't the same complaints being heard out of Florida about them?
SSMSouthCampus
LOL the bait was tossed and quickly snapped up. A very persistent fellow.
11/14 5:52
SSM should compete in state cup. Competition is good. Those who don't want to compete step aside.
Northsider
I have no problem with competition. I simply asked if SSM thought it was fair. To me it's not. Regardless of what the rules say it's not right to have players who live in MN for 8 months during the year, players recruited outside of MYSA rules from across the entire nation, to be allowed to compete in a local state cup. I'd say the same for IMG in Florida.
Should SSM be allowed to compete for a National title? Sure. But earn it through MRL, not through a state cup tournament.
Disagree? You can. But for all the rules trying to get SSM players into MYSA state cup through Faribaul SC, why do they call the U18B SSM at Regionals/Nationals? Why not Faribault SC?
I don't think U of MN grads should be allowed to leave the state to work in NY or, let's say FL. For that matter, why are UW grads allowed to work at General Mills. The point is, why is MTA allowed to absorb players from all over the metro and even outstate. It's a free market, at least until Obama gets in office, then he will disallow all competition and MTA will have to turn all CC players back to their respective CC's.
I say, let's encourage BSM and AHA to start their own academies. Matter of fact, also SW Christian and CDH and Totino. That would really give both MTA and SSM a run for their money--no pun intented. Gosh, I almost forgot Blake and Breck.
I say good for SSM for bringing more competition to the state. Our CC players are getting better every year and because of SSM and MTA, more of them will have a chance to play someday at ELR on a day like today, where about 1/3 of the players on the field were from Minnesota's various clubs. Granted, the majority of them at one time played at Bangu, but they ALL grew up in MN's CC's and learned their basic skills from our CC's. Truly a very good night for the roots of MN soccer.
Today's results is the best thing to ever happen to the younger soccer players in MN, as college coaches around the Midwest have to be wondering why they don't recruit more MN kids. Rayfield? Wilkins? You out there?
"...where about 1/3 of the players on the field were from Minnesota's various clubs. Granted, the majority of them at one time played at Bangu..."
Majority? Does that mean 7 of 23? with Bethke and Rezac also playing at St. Croix.
I think the majority of the players played at St. Croix (11 of 23) at some point.
8:47 - huh?
Has another former bangu tsunami team imploded. Heard several U-18 players migrating elsewhere to c.c. and that womens U-18 coach resigned. Is this going to be the eventual outcome of all the MTA multi-teams in one age bracket. Look what all those fee paying parents of U8-12 parents and players have to look forward to. And what do those migrating players have to show for it, gratitude and admiration for what they gave up playing with their friends and developing lasting relationship with high school teammates. And thank your parents for all the additional driving and overpriced training they received.
Actually the vast majority (I would probably put the number at 100%) play for the University of Minnesota. Does it really matter who spent one year here, two years there, etc.... The important thing is that they are all Gophers and we should be supporting them. The people who should be commended are the girls themselves, their coaches along the way (from house league when they were young, cc traveling, to club soccer) and their parents who supported them every step of the way.
Good luck hopefully on your way to the sweet 16.
10:17 - if true, sorry to hear your daughter was caught up in this.
If your daughter was not on this team, I think the bigger questions are a)why do you care and b)why did you feel compelled to post about it here???
I'm 8:47 and my point was that MN girl's soccer is on a major upswing thanks to their developmental coaches, the domes (winter training). Whether MTA, Shattuck or whoever survives will be determined by market forces. I am not an MTA fan, but their actions of taking the better CC players over the years has improved the trainiong of the "awake" CC clubs. So, I say thanks to both MTA and Shattuck and any other clubs which have supported high level "elite" travel teams. Didn't AO, KP and MR all also play at PSA? And yes. the St. Croix Eclectic has put out a bunch of solid D-1 players. We should all be proud of both Minny and SDSU for where they both are with more than a healthy dose of MN's best. The good thing is that you will begin to see more and more of MN players achieving higher and higher status as we move forward.
Speaking of the "U" Women's team it's great to see MDW's first recruiting class having such great success as seniors.
Obviously MDW had a better handle of the situation than all the bloggers who were trashing her.
Considering all the bashing she's taken on this blog the past 2-3 years I think it's time we give her the congratualtions she's earned for taking this program to the NCAA for the 1st time in over a decade.
I say let them play. But I also admitt it cetainly stretches the boundries of "normal" club play. I remember several years ago a boy from Southern Canada played a season for Bangu, can't remember the details but he was not an exchange student. I think his dad had an airplane and they were looking to play on a team of like ability players, they chose Bangu. Many complain about Bangu/MTA recruiting from the metro area now "recruiting" is done by all clubs that have a high level team ie: Premier or very good C1 teams.
Clubs that I know recruit to some degree now (this is a statement of fact NOT a rip)
MTA
Edina
MTKA
Burnsville
Dakota Rev
Lakeville
Woodbury
Cottage Grove
St Croix
Blackhawks
MU
This list could go on and on.
Bangu brought the recruitment game to a new level, and was rewarded with some great teams. Others are following and are also producing some very good teams.
SSM is now moving to another level due to their unique arrangement as a boarding school, good for them,not my cup of tea, but for each his/her own. Someone raises the bar others work harder to attain the bar. Its like the way America used to work. (sorry had to get my bailout rip in).
The future of soccer in MN (IMO) is fewer but stronger clubs. I see it starting to develop with some not community based but more area based clubs emerging ie:St Croix, Dakota Rev, North Metro. No one is forced to be part of any of the clubs mentioned but people are CHOOSING to attend because they see Value in the product offered. Just my opinion.
10:28 - EP left off of your list for any apparent reason.....
mn state cup-
What does "...players recruited outside of MYSA rules from across the entire nation..." mean?
If you are saying that SSM is violating Minnesota Youth Soccer Rules on recruiting/poaching... could you please elaborate on what rule is being broken and how? No need for specific examples yet, just specifics on the rule they are breaking.
It really IS interesting how the same discussions happen over and over again. Maybe this time I'll get the answers I have been looking for over the past year or so.
SSMSouthCampus
One other interesting happening this weekend.....the SSM U16s are playing an EP team tomorrow. Not sure if it is the (as reported here) U16 State Cup favorites or not? Anyone have any insight on which team is going to SSM tomorrow?
SSMSouthCampus
Wouldn't last year's U15 State Cup champion be this year's U16 favorite?
From the comments here regarding player movements and such....it seems to be the general feeling that EP U16s are favored. Obviously not to those who have kids on the MTA U16 Blue, but there HAS been a fairly significant change to that team. Hard to lose National Pool player and say you haven't lost strength, isn't it?
SSMSouthCampus
Not trying to start a fight here...just trying to figure out which EP team will be at SSM tomorrow.
BTW, the game will be webcast also. So if anyone is interested, I am sure you can find info about how to watch it.
SSMSouthCampus
SSM-SC,
I think you're forgetting to take one factor into consideration when evaluating the two teams...one has "professional" coaches, while the other does not.
The only factor I am taking into consideration are the ones that count....results. Look, again, I am not trying to start a fight. Sorry I made the "favorites" comment- FORGET ABOUT IT. IT MATTERS NOT WHAT ANY OF US THINKS.
Is there anyone here who can tell me what team is traveling to SSM tomorrow? EP people? Where are you?
SSMSouthCampus
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
the EP team is last year's U15 state cup runners up.
until someone beats MTA, they are still the favorites in my book. they've added some nice pieces and still have a talent edge and definitely an edge in depth.
5:05,
Just because your coach coaches for Lightning means he is that much better than the other teams coach?
I am not from EP or MTA but I have heard that both teams have very good head coaches.
SSM,
I think it is the EP 15's Premier team that is coming
ssm, your soccer program recruits year round under the banner of the school and not as Faribault SC, your MYSA wig. Don't you think that violates MYSA policy? Again all this is said in semi-constructive banter. I have no problem with what SSM stands for and am impressed with the talent they've assembled to date. I believe programs like SSM are GREAT for the game. I am only trying to find out if you truly believe it is FAIR for MYSA to allow your school to participate in the MN state cup. Your school should be allowed their national run without taking a MN slot. Then again when you win Region 2 I guess the R2 states will then complain that a place at nationals should belong to a R2 team and that SSM is taking one of their spots :-)
Guess the elite can never win but I do believe that the elite should have a chance to prove themselves the best. Just not at the expense of a local team made up of kids from this state. Hope you can see and respect where I am coming from.
As for EP's 16s they have one player to watch out for. Other than her they are just a decent U16 team but will give you a far, far better game than a Dakota REC U15 team. Interesting to hear about the game tomorrow so let us know how it ends up.
I meant REV... seriously.
all you will ever hear is that it is legal and within the rules......
7:50,
Sure you did. You are just hating on EP.
One player? I believe they have another midfielder who use to play for bangu but left. I also think they have a couple all state high school players. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
What will be your excuse if MTA loses to EP in state cup? Very interested to hear about that.
5:05- Calling ES a professional coach is a joke! Last year's state cup he focused on one girl (man marking) for the entire game and left an entire flank wide open for over 15 minutes before being approached by other BANGU coaches who had to help him out. He is lucky for the OWN goal by EP.
7:50 Sounds just like MC.
5:05 is most likely ES.
And all the other haters are from MTA.
I was trying to make fun of the fact that they actually label themselves as professional coaches, hence the quotations around the word professional
anon 505
I think most people caught the sarcasm. Some like 902 are a little slow.
Wait until the Burkhardt kids start playing. Then you'll hear whining from all four cormers of Minnesota.
Boogeyman
I love this story of the Burkhardt Germans! hahahaha.
Who are they playing for again?
Lot of dead wood cut lose. Decision made to focus only on the kids with the potential to be IMPACT players.
10:35,
They can't be playing for MTA 16 Blue if the story is true.
Go to Mnthunder.com
Youth development
Minnesota Thunder Academy
It will bring you to the tryout results. Bangu 16s blue already have 17 players and the two Germans would make 19. You can not have more than 18 on the roster for this age group.
Case Closed!
Anonymous 10:28-How do you know all those clubs recruit? Also, quit using my moniker (anonymous)
More hater idiots. I'm not MC. I'm simply asking south campus what he believes is fair.
As for EP, take their forward away from them and they are still a good team. But MN All State doesn't hold much weight regionally or nationally. Could they beat MTA's 16s in state cup? Of course they could. It's sure to be a tight match up if they meet up. But I'd man mark on a team that I believed only had one player who could hurt us. Most coaches at this level would as well. That team has 1/3 of the success they've had if that player isn't with them. Great CC, many players short from a regional powerhouse. I call it like I see it. Interested in south campus' take on them after this weekend.
12:03,
MTA is not the same either without their super star national player. I also call it like I see it.
Time will only tell how successful they are without her.
What does MN high school All-State have to do with club soccer.....you're kidding me right?..?
@12:20AM
Where in my above posts did you read that I thought MTA was a lock for State Cup or even a lock over the EP team? I heard MTA had a player leave for the Woodbury team but from what I saw last year that player did not account for 90% of the team's goals like a certain other player does for EP. It's good to have two competitive teams at this age group. Makes for some tense and exciting times next May. If the top players at this age group come together though we'll have a fine and true (right south campus?) MN representative at Regionals.
Individual awards and contributions to a team are different things.
8:46,
You are correct! MTA players should come over to EP next season =)
1220 if that player is a "superstar" then there are at least 4 other "superstars" at this age group. Not saying there are not, but you can't possibly follow that age group and think one player is better than all the others.
CASL matchups are out
SSM U18's
Freestate MD Unranked
Ohio Elite Gold OS Unranked
Va Rush Nike VA #33 R1
WDB Inferno U17's
CRUSA FC Bucks PA #27 R1
KUFC Premier Knockouts IL #20 R2
Cincy Soccer Alliance OS Unranked
15's and 16's not posted yet.
MN State Cup-
I still don't understand what MYSA rule you think has been broken? You did say "...your soccer program recruits year round under the banner of the school and not as Faribault SC, your MYSA wig. Don't you think that violates MYSA policy?" Short answer-- NO. It doesn't violate MYSA policy. If it did, don't you think that someone would have put a stop to it? It isn't as if SSM has any "political" power within MYSA.
You then go on to say that "Your school should be allowed their national run without taking a MN slot." USYS doesn't care about anything other than simply where the team resides as a whole within boundaries (and Faribault IS within MN borders).
Bottom line: These kids reside for more than 9 months inside MN borders. They could vote in MN legally if they were 18, and would pay MN income tax if employed. Just because they didn't begin thier soccer career in MN doesn't change anything.
So, yes. Yes I do believe it is fair. There is no charity in the USYS National Championship Series. Each State Cup (first stop in the USYS NCS) has its own geographical area it serves. SSM happens to be located in the geography represented by the MN State Cup. Sorry. It is what it is.
SSMSouthCampus
Not sure what "fair" means. Does SSM have a huge advantage over MN clubs because they can recruit nationally? Of course. Is it fair? Doesn't matter, because it is perfectly legal as SSMSC states. This is a dead issue.
Re 10:24 has CASL declined? That is a long way to travel to play mediocre teams.
So by south campus logic...
The Thunder and Lightning organization, not the MYSA affiliate club MTA, can go out and recruit year round for MTA? Look out.
11:06- I don't understand either your logic or what you are complaining about. Please help me to understand?
All I am saying is that there have been no rules broken. This is evidenced by two things in my mind.
1) No one has been able to cite, show, produce even a quotation of any specific MYSA or USYS rule which has been broken by SSM. I have been asking for this for well over a year.....no production.
2) There has been no formal protest, sanction, or issue (other than with grumpy parents who THINK they know what the rules are). The non-relevance of the "it isn't fair" complaint is absolutely obvious to anyone who has put effort into understanding the rules regarding these issues (and what the spirit/intent of these rules is/was).
SSMSouthCampus
It doesn't matter. Until MTA or SCV or WDB or EP or anyone else sets up a boarding school they cannot bring in players from other states or countries to play. They can recruit all they want. It is what it is. It is unfortunate if MN kids lose opportunities because of this whether in USYSA or ODP or whatever but those are the breaks. Life is hard and things don't always work out the way you want. There are more important things than soccer.
Maybe the kids don't have to "lose" opportunities? They have every opportunity to be a part of the program at SSM. While I do understand the thoughts behind why some feel it is morally wrong (even though within the rules)-- I disagree with this stance.
If the program was closed to MN kids and was not one of the choices a MN player has.....then I would agree that it would be unfair to take up a "MN slot". But, the only thing that is stopping a MN player from attending SSM is themselves.
SSMSouthCampus
SSMSC I agree with you 100% except for your presumption as to the "spirit and intent" of the rules. The boarding school exception exists to allow the occasional boarding school student who happens to be a soccer player thoe opportunity to play. It did not countenance a school bringing in a whole team of players for the main purpose of playing soccer. A good rule that has been taken advantage of. That said SSM is as you say absolutely entitled under the rules to do this. Those who think they are not need to check the rule book.
11:39-
I somewhat disagree with you about the boarding school rule. The intent was atleast partially to allow exactly this type of situation for the likes of IMG/Bradenton.
SSMSouthCampus
1051 CASL is still a good tournament, who you play all depends on your flight. The issue is from U15-U17 all the best teams, National league members, play each other in League games. That thins out the quality for the other flights. At U18 and above a lot of teams cut back their schedules and soccer is not as serious as it was. Therefore all the showcase tournaments are not as difficult at that age as they are from 15-17.
Watching the webcast of the SSM U16 game. Score late in the second half is SSM 1 whoever from EP 0. The EP team has two players I have been very impressed with, one is a tall, blonde mid #21 the other is a girl up top whose name starts with an "L" and is #2.
SSMSouthCampus
Game over. Ends 1-0. EP Coach is a very young looking, thin man with dark hair?
SSMSouthCampus
Sounds like the EP U15 Premier team.
the reason ssmsc is hung up on the ruling is it's between the lines. talking so much about bending a rule so far is revealing the shame and the guilt. no one here will approve. competition is equal footing.
2:10-
The reason I am so hung up on the "ruling" is that I am tired of accusations of rules being broken or bent. To date NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO POINT ME TO THE RULE YOU SPEAK OF.
Many people parrott things that others say, not bothering to research the truth. That is the case with many here. I have researched these rules you are claiming have been broken or bent (in EVERY State Association) and the claims are not valid in ANY of them.
SSMSouthCampus
i don't think anyone says it is illegal or breaking any rules. most of the complaints have more to do with it being "fair" or "within the spirit". some things can be legal but not fair.....
ssmsc, what st croix team did the 18s play yesterday? what was the score?
CASL is a joke. A bunch of unranked and lower ranked regional teams. Tournament is a waste of time and money. Stay home and preactice. Where are all the nationally ranked teams???
almost every team at U17 and u19 in an elite bracket on the girls side is ranked
At U17 most of the best teams are in the Red Bull National league bracket.
that was the epu16 mrl team @ssm today.
So should Woodbury inferno win all three games?
How do I find the U15-17 Casl draw?
8:14- That was the confirmation I got from my daughter this evening as well.
As far as the CASL discussion goes...
CASL draws many college coaches from high-end Division 1 schools. These coaches are coming to for the opportunity to see quality players in thier game.
The players/teams aren't there to win a title or hardware, they are there to be seen.
So....I believe that the investment to attend CASL (in particular) is appropriate. It may not be for all levels of teams, players, or clubs. Depends on what you are looking for from your club.
SSMSouthCampus
The teams listed above are average at best. Wasting their time. If your team is not Elite your going just to catch a few rays and give your club something to market. If your team isn't Elite you won't be seen by anybody.
Been to the Final Four event 3 yrs running, last yr it was in College Station, I can say that numerous scouts were at every game. And SSMSC is correct, Final Four Showcase is not about the hardware, its about playing in front of the scouts. Why are you so hooked on winning?? Thats part of the problem.
10s Dad
ps. USA U17s lost in the World Cup final 2-1 in OT. North Korea scored a own goal in first 3 mins, it stood till the 73rd min win NK put one past the US. Now, this level IS about winning. There is a difference.
10:18-
I disagree with you with regard to "not being seen by anybody". I can tell you that there will be atleast 5 large conference D-1 coaches (SEC, Big Ten, Big Twelve x2, and C-USA)at the SSM U16 games. Those are the ones I know for sure.
If you were to sit back and wait for coaches to "find your kid"...you're right. Don't waste your time. Have the player do a little marketing/networking and they will show up. Key lessons that can only be learned from those who have been down the road (thanks, 10s Dad).
See, that is what everyone is missing here. There is a TON of knowledge and experience represented right here on this blog. Instead of arguing about the meaningless stuff....why not talk about actual productive stuff that people can benefit from? Instead, we just want to alienate everyone who doesn't choose the same path as we do. That doesn't really foster an environment where people want to share knowledge. But, it must be more fun to try and put people down than try to learn anything?
SSMSouthCampus
SSM,
Do you know who your 16s are playing at CASL yet?
Nope. They are being somewhat slow at brackets/schedules for the U16 and below ages. Not sure what the deal is with that, but should be soon.
SSMSouthCampus
College coaches primarily come to see the players who have contacted them and that they are interested in. It does not matter what flight you are in. They will come to your game and see you play. It is true they would prefer you play for as good a team as possible and against other excellent teams so as to get a better read on your ability. This is not a must however.
Been there
Right on Been There!!
SSMSC is correct, you have too in most cases, make the first move, YOU have to call the coaches of these schools and let THEM know your interested in them. The bad thing about this thou, is when the coach(s) come to watch, and your player doesnt show well, then, you might not hear back from them. Kinda a 1 and done sort of thing.
Look at Notre Dame's roster, they arent all from Eclipse or Texans..Same way with UNC's roster. There is no rule saying kids from Minnesota cant play at UNC, Portland, Clemson, Texas Tech. CASL is a HUGE showcase (not tournament). Most D1 coaches are there anyway watching the NCAA final four. There are like 24 brackets of 4 in the U19 division. That is alot of teams. Which means alot of scouts. Who cares if you win or lose, the scouts are not recruiting/scouting teams, they are recruiting/scouting players.
10s Dad
ps. Congrates to the Gopher Ladies!! Good luck v Notre Dame. Notre Dame is not 100%. The best player in the US, Brittani Bock has not played the last 2 games, knee injury during the Big East tournament, and Kerri Hanks played in a knee brace. Plus their best defender was called up for the U20 World Cup. Minnesota has a chance!!
Latest update on CASL. Website now shows that brackets are being updated and schedules should be posted later today (girls).
SSMSouthCampus
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