One more thing, about the U17 World Cup, #9 on the Canadian team, she attended Shattuck last year. Never returned this year thou. Will be attending the Univ of Tennessee next year.
@9:34am. What? Nothing to say when asked to provide facts? Par for the course. Once again the ignorant throw out unsubstantiated claims trying to build cracks in a program their kid has no interest in being a part of. Why the hate? Look deep inside. Why the hate?
That is an excellent question. Why must those who coach, direct, or take their children to MTA (formerly Bangu) spew hate in the form of derisive comments towards the other clubs? Go there, coach there, recruit for them but stop the hating.
1043 are you new in town? Changing the name does not change the warts. M(T)A, Bangu, whatever, these meatheads are the same people who have spewed venom (did you forget about RTR already?) at other area clubs for years. Do it your way, but own it.
Hey SSM - No amount of MN/Iowa jokes can deflect people here from being annoyed with your inane pronouncements. The hypocritical "I won't take the bait" followed by "coward," and "provincial mentality" (that's hurtful coming from the piggy mudpen, where you're probably envious of any patch of civilization) quagmire you wallow in is off-putting, and your command of the English language is distinctly Iowan as well ("effect" is a verb there and is spelled "affect"). I would have thought some of that Shattuck education would stick to you by osmosis, but it was probably driven away by the smell. Seriously, though, the point isn't my anonymity or your Iowan nature. It's letting you know that you're not very interesting. Just a PSA, no need to tell me not to read, as I come here to read others' posts and it's impossible to miss your thoughtful contributions.
11:43, I've been reading this blog for several months and haven't seen anyone from Bangu or MTA bashing other clubs. Can you give us a specific where we can read this "bashing?"
Anonymous said... Hey SSM - No amount of MN/Iowa jokes can deflect people here from being annoyed with your inane pronouncements. The hypocritical "I won't take the bait" followed by "coward," and "provincial mentality" (that's hurtful coming from the piggy mudpen, where you're probably envious of any patch of civilization) quagmire you wallow in is off-putting, and your command of the English language is distinctly Iowan as well ("effect" is a verb there and is spelled "affect"). I would have thought some of that Shattuck education would stick to you by osmosis, but it was probably driven away by the smell. Seriously, though, the point isn't my anonymity or your Iowan nature. It's letting you know that you're not very interesting. Just a PSA, no need to tell me not to read, as I come here to read others' posts and it's impossible to miss your thoughtful contributions.
29/10/08 11:53 PM
This one is easy..If you do not like reading SSMSC post's, then skip them. Everyone can tell its him when they see his Igloo picture attached.
IMHO, a year ago SSMSC had something to add on here Lately he's become another shill for MTA think and has lost credibility. Hiding behind the "many options" blah blah shows an ignorance of the facts related to how the animosity created by them has tainted the soccer atmosphere here in Mn.
SSMSC has nothing to gain from being a "shill" for MTA. He is an outside observer with a decent grasp of youth soccer and offers a valued opinion to many on this blog.
i've met ssmsc and he is a stand up guy. he is not a shill for mta (in fact his daughter played mysa for a competitive club). he believes in offering any elite player out there as many options as possible and then letting them decide what path they want to take. want to play rec soccer - cool, want to play for a true cc - cool, want to play for a larger cc which might have more extensive training - cool, want to play for mta - cool, want to play for ssm or img - cool. i've never heard him bash another club or team. he's got more courage out there than this anon as anyone with any investigative schools can search him out.
10:23- I am no more a shill for MTA than for Woodbury, Blackhawks, or Gitchi Gummi. I don't care where you're from, I am just happy that people are open minded enoughto let thier kids play soccer. It isn't so down here in my "hog lot".
To my anonymous friend....way to prove how much more you have to offer these discussions than me. All I have seen from you is peprsonal attacks on me. But, since you won't take a moniker we can't tell exactly what posts are yours....can we?
10s dad is right....I am the big, ugly one on the sidelines. Thanks for the confidence builder. That's what buddies are for, right?
A "goober" is a term used by haters who just can't get over the fact that when at the top of their game, Bangu Tsunami made a huge change to merge with Wings and form the MTA, and will now continue to lead elite player development in MN.
Wouldn't that make the "haters" the "Goobers?" And why would they hate the merger of two clubs? It just makes sense to get bigger and pool players and form better doesn't it? Do people hate that they're getting better?
CC's are fine for the kids that just want to boot the ball around with their friends and eat treats after the games. Nothing wrong with that.But if your kid is a real competitor thanit's MTA for them.
Just like there are real D1s and and a slew of colleges who pretend to be D1.
If your kid doesn't strive to be the best and compete with the best they will probably end up at the bottom of the food chain later in life. In todays global economy it's all about survival of the fittest.
Well said! thats why in the U-17 age group Woodbury is the best team and not bangu. What about the U-16 age? that one is getting harder and harder for MTA. BTW, Shattuck will take the 18's.
9:33 Sums up the reason there is a fair amount of animosity toward MTA. That post did not come from one idiot. That is representative (not a representative) of the manner in which the people who day to day run that club denigrate the competition. They use that type of code to make people think the club their child is in has no chance of developing them as a player. There is in fact a too high percentage of idiots like that concentrated at MTA. It is difficult to imagine they were allowed to have children.
7:02. Please show an example on this blog where anyone from MTA has attacked another club. What do you base this claim on? Which representative from the MTA club have you heard denigrate other clubs? People keep making accusations but fail to substantiate their allegations.
11:36, Bangu/MTA won 8 State Cup championships in 2008, 8 in 2007 and 7 in 2006. In 2008 no other club won more than 1 championship. Until another club rises up and begins developing highly successful teams at multiple age groups your claim is rather hollow. I am happy to see a few clubs realizing they need to pool talent from across the metro to be able to compete with Bangu. Competition makes everyone better. And now with Bangu/MTA aligning with the the Minnesota Thunder and having access to the like of Manny Lagos, Amos Magee and other Thunder personnel they will only get better. Not to mention having access to the top talent that was at the Wings club. Other programs are getting better as they've been forced to train indoors and compete in regional tournaments to try to keep pace. The Woodbury U17 girls are a perfect example of following the path set by the Bangu club. SCV has also done this from time to time. They have pooled the top talent at a particular age group from players from all across the Twin Cities. This is what is necessary to compete with top states from Region 2 and nationally. While I'm not involved with the Thunder organization or MTA I am avid soccer fan and give credit where credit is due. They have elevated the quality of soccer here in Minnesota and raised the bar for all other clubs which has over the past 5 years seen Minnesota have respectable results at Region 2 championships. Some of you newbies might not know this but until recent years many of the teams Minnesota sent to Region 2 championships were just lucky to score a goal. There were exceptions (Blackhawks boys from long ago and MVSC Tsunami Sota girls) but these were the rare exception rather than the rule. Sorry for the long and windy ramble but we should be celebrating the overall improvement of the level of play here in our state rather than attacking each other. Now I'm heading to church. Amen.
Miac fan is exactly right. It is not necessary to belong to MTA but you do need to follow the model that they and St. Croix have done over the years. The current U17 WDB team is a good example of that. Until the MVSC Tsunami Sota at older ages and MVSC (later Bangu) Stars at young ages came along MN teams were patsies at regions and other out of state events. Our state cup champs as a group now are as good as any R2 state except IL and MI.
I agree 8:54. People bash what Bangu has done in terms of pursuing their vision for elite players and ruffling feathers along the way. Feathers need to be ruffled sometimes for the game to develop. Everyone can speak til their blue in the face about how they WOULD have supported MTA if the Thunder had approached all the club directors together. Get real. Everyone talks a big game. Some people walk it.
Sorry kool-aid drinkers, youth sports were and are on a trajectory that would have happened here even if Bangu/MTA never had existed. The specialization of younger and younger kids in sports was going on elsewhere long before. To keep the LIE going that Bangu is responsible for all the good players and teams here directly or indirectly is foolish, to be generous. The fools who feed into this nonsense are to be ptied for their ignorance.
anon 10:34, Nobody has claimed that Bangu is responsible for all the good players. Many are acknowledging that Bangu/MTA was the 1st club to mimic the model that was so successful in other states and in doing so have raised the bar for other clubs if they wish to compete. There's no doubt they've led the way here and others are now following. Bangu has some sharp minds in their organization and with their latest move of affiliating with the Minnesota Thunder and Wings they've taken another big step to keep themselves ahead of the rest of the pack pack. The sooner more clubs follow that model the sooner they'll be competitive and we'll then see Bangu/MTA become less dominant. This won't happen overnight but over the course of several years. If all that is done is continued whining, name calling and bashing then Bangu/MTA will continue to be the dominating force they are today. Tearing them down isn't going to work. We've seen that going on for years and they keep getting better. What will work is making your own club a better place for players and give them less incentive to sign on with Bangu/MTA.
LOL at 1034. Probably one of the same type of people who fought against AAU basketball entering the state. Then when it brought about a greatly increased level of play said the players would have become better anyway. Now THAT is strong kool aid.
10:34, typical mediocre ignorance. No idea of high level soccer. I'm sure you're knowledgeable in some field, but leave the elite soccer development to the pros in MTA and other high level clubs. Thanks
I've watched lots of that high level soccer lately, must be the altittude that is causing the phone calls and talks from parents looking to leave the MTA promiseland.
2:40, When State Cup ends in 2009 MTA will once again have won 7-8 State Cup championships. Funny how every year we hear how they "won't win that many again" yet it continues to happen. It must be hard for you to continue to lose to the same teams over and over again.
When they have a National Champion team like the Blackhawks you can brag, until then get to work and stop annoying the rest of us with the goober braying.
2:56, When your club can win more than 1 State Cup championship a year you may have some credibility. Until then you're just a whiner and a wannabe. I suggest instead of wasting your time in here you devote that much time to improving your own club. If you had done that for the last few years by now maybe you would be making some headway.
We have one more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP than the pretenders. And if you can be honest with yourself, the common practice of club shopping makes it easier to win State Cup now than it was 10 years ago. Bangu, now MTA do a very good job of pooling the existing talent at certain age groups. Let's see them tranlate that into more success at the regional and national level instead of running their mouth on blogs.
MTA girls have had much success at regional and national tournaments. Are they Eclipse or Hawks? No, but on a par with anyone else in region 2. They are ranked #19 in country among girls clubs. Do some research before running your mouth and build instead of criticize. Or is that too much work?
So 3:20 is from the Blackhawks... When was the last time you had a team win regionals? Storlien's Tsunami Sota girls went 2 years in a row in 2002 and 2003. Abbouds girls won regions in 2007. The game has changed a lot since Lagos and gang won it all in 1990. In looking at results the last 2 years the Blackhawks haven't won a single state cup championship. No wonder you're a bit cranky. Maybe you guys should have hooked up with the Thunder when you had the chance.
The sheer idiocy on this blog is laughable. MTA, you do not corner the market on elite players. Blackhawks lover, you eat your show preaching about the Nat Champs with Lagos, Magee, Gramenz, etc. Aren't they the ones leading MTA now???? CC board members and DOCs, your hate due to loss of possessions is what is wrong with this sport in MN.
6:50 To date, it appears the only decision those guys have made is to stay out of the way of the "directors". I assume you mean they will replicate their astounding success with the Thunder?
Talk about treating them as possessions, How is that pooling of players working out? Keep them there prevent them from exploring other options then put them on the white (cash cow) team when they are out of options.
Keep in mind what a scholarship may be. Getting $2000.00 at a school that might have tuition of $30,000 or more is overblown. Most students can get that with slightly above average academics so it is an athletic scholarship in name only. It does feed the parent's ego however.
9:35, Whats the phrase? "Ignorance is bliss?" You're obviously unaware that they field white level teams at several age groups. You really should become more informed before making such uninformed posts.
On a positive note, I had a good face-to-face meeting with the REV U15 girls coach (aka- Swedish Smurf)this weekend. Was nice to get to meet someone from the blogs in person. Nice guy, thanks for the chat.
I can say these things from my perspective:
1) REV players were a class act, as were their parents/coaches. No issues whatsoever regarding dirty play or trash talking, that is a nice change of pace!
2) Some bright spots seen on both sides of the ball with both teams still needing some work before Spring. I am excited to have the two teams meet again in the Winter to gauge how far both have come.
3) Great weekend for soccer outdoors, not sure how many more of these we have left?
As far as the rest of the discussion on here.....nasty, hateful, and very childish. I guess that if this is the kind of banter that my previous detractor prefers-- I am NOT qualified to take part here? Interesting though.....positivity and open-mindedness gets you name calling. The current crap seems to be what people are interested in.
Pleasure was all mine and the girls really appreciated the opoortunity to play a very good team on a great field on a lovely day.
In the long run saturdays game will help them. We are already looking forward to the game in January by then we will be better prepared and hopefully healthier,
Yes, I think it was only $385 or some such thing for three days. What a deal! My daughter was IDENTIFIED by them (God-like soccer experts that they are) as a highly skilled player. Whe-e-e-ee!!
I actually see a big difference between Shattuck and MTA. Anyone can tryout and play for MTA if they make the team but Shattuck won't even let you tryout unless you fork over $35K a year and attend their school.
Over the next few years truly dedicated and the true top talent will only be at residential programs similar to SSM. This will end most of the drivel that goes on with pretenders such as MTA. There will always be very good club teams but the sport will be dominated at the top level by programs like SSM. Part of the natural progression.
8:52..I wouldnt say it like that about the boys and girls sides. I think a better way of putting it is, more on the boys side, not as much on the girls side. Look at some of the girls that are going to play for TOP D1 programs from IMG and SSM. Not all the players, but a fair amount will be attending major D1 programs. Just depends on the player. Now, if you look at Eclipse, same can be said, Some of the top players are going to TOP D1 programs, but not ALL Eclipse girls are going to the TOP programs. And, what none of us really knows is, how much $ did each player get on a soccer scholarship?? 2k$ for a 30k a yr school..If that makes you feel like your getting a great deal, then sure. I think almost any player can go to UNC as a walk on, or maybe get 2k a yr, but will they play?? But as for girls attending full time academies, I think they will always be there, but not in the numbers as the boys, and surely not in the % of skill level as well.
3 yrs ago, I think I shared this earlier, at a Natl Camp (90's), they asked the girls if anyone would be interested in leaving home for a year to train for the U17/20 World Cup (17s going on now, 20s next month), the vote and results surprised me. Most (not all) of the girls did not want to leave home. This was at the highest level. These are the facts that I know of, not just my opinion without basic facts.
10s Dad
And for 8:35, this has been beaten down for a long time, 35K a year to attend SSM. Come on!! Keep spewing the hate. Unless you have another motive?? I would sure like to hear the facts on this comment??
9:53, Most kids would rather go to their local HS and play with their own club rather than be at a boarding school. There will be a handful of Minnesota players who may end up at SSM but most of the players will be from out of state. It's not really a threat to any Minnesota clubs including MTA.
Any currently top team who loses their top 2 players would be hurt. SSM will not be the only option in 2-3 years. There will be a change that merges full time soccer with truly elite players. One thing here, the term elite is way overused. Winning MN State Cup with a pooling of talent is not truly elite soccer.
Hopefully a thoughful process will rule out MTA for the academy. We need more than the ability to fool parents and pool talent then call it development by pro coaches. The decision makers hopefully will have a long view big picture mentality for this project.
Thank you for that unbiased view, but the decision has been made. Hopefully the decision makers are more knowledgeable than the average anonymous blog poster.
It is not biased...I don't see the academy choosing just mta for all of MN...heck..TX has there own division...this is a question of cost...teams are not going to come here for just one game..hence, it would be natural to have ssm and mta come into the league together.. and really..there are only two true academies in the US..one being ssm..if you look at the standings you will notice that the great lakes division has yet to play a game..you want to know why?........High School.
The problem will still be the same money who will and can afford to send ther children to soccer academies a very few percentage a even smaller percentage will have children that are good enough
USSF will select MTA and Shattuck so teams who travel here can play 2 games on the trip. My guess is because SSM doesn't really have a developmental program that will fall under MTA's umbrella. SSM will be included just to provide another game on the trip to Minnesota. This will be a great thing to further player development in our state.
MTA will be able to compete at State Cup in all age groups not involved in the Academy. So they won't have boys teams in State Cup at 16 and 18. And why would a kid jump ship when they could be in the USSF Academy?
Anonymous said... Hopefully a thoughful process will rule out MTA for the academy. We need more than the ability to fool parents and pool talent then call it development by pro coaches. The decision makers hopefully will have a long view big picture mentality for this project.
4/11/08 11:55 AM
This guy is a complete idiot. A complete selfish rec minded parent. What agenda do really have. 50-50 playing time, no contact involved, parent coaching.
I think he/she is saying that most people would prefer things to be done with integrity, however that is not possible with mta as most of their leadership lack that quality.
In my experience the parent coaches my daughter had were far superior to the "professional" coaches she had. My experience may be the exception but I've seen it other places as well. What soccer calls licensing is a joke. B license this, that whatever. Many "licensed" coaches are poor at best. Baseball develops huge numbers of college and major league athletes and for most baseball players most of their development comes from parent coaches.
9:37 Why the hateful talk? Where in that post do you read equal play time and parent coaches? Take your meds soon. The academy program is huge for the state and the way of the future for true elite soccer. The point is, the MTA guys have way too much negative baggage and we all want this to succeed.
Not saying I agree totally with 7:14, but I've had high school and college coaches in various sports that knew less about the sport they were coaching than did the majority of my teammates on those teams. A license means little if the person behind that license is an idiot or can't control player emotions.
8:35- You're wrong. Basic timeline shown below to show that you are making assumptions, not talking reality.
December 2006- Daughter comes to guest play with SSM to see if she can contribute to the program (read as try-out). Daughter was sick, didn't play great. Saw potential, wanted her to come back in Feb for better look (read as second try-out).
February 2007- Daughter comes back, is healthy. Plays well and we talk about specifics of scholarship and basics of financial (need based) aid, entrance requirements, grades, etc.
Late July 2007- Specific offer given regarding total cost after financial aid. Decision made to attend.
August 2007- Dropped her off at school, tuition and fees paid at this time.
SO- Not only did we not have to pay $35k before her try-out (it was paid 8 months later), but the final amount with need based financial aid was not much more than the cost of feeding, housing, paying for gas to get her to training (50 miles each way x 3days/week), and club fees in Iowa.
Trade-offs- 1) I don't get to see her everyday. But, I do talk to her much more than I did when she was at home. And we talk about everything....we are much closer now as she has become more responsible (almost an adult).
2) I don't get to attend all her games. Her previous team was in MRL also, and we traveled all over before. I see as many as I did before.
3) She had to leave some friends behind. Interesting, but once she left this didn't bother her much. When she comes home, she visits those she has stayed close to...those she doesn't weren't that great of friends anyway. Kind of sounds like what happens after graduation, doesn't it?
4) She doesn't get to play soccer for her community high school. She played as an 8th grader and HATED HS soccer in Iowa. So, no big loss in her opinion.
5) She doesn't get to play other sports. This might be a big one...she was a ranked 400m, 800m, and High Jumper in AAU. Was slated to be a varsity starter in basketball as a freshman. I think this bothers me more than her, as I would have like to see her win a Track and Field State Championship (she would have last year with previous year's times).
9:57-- You talk about only outside MN players being interested in programs like SSM. I don't understand that at all (not saying I'm right, just don't understand).
If you live in the cities, your kid could be a "day student" and be at home at night with you. And, that decreases the base tuition. So- lower cost, kid's at home at night, gets a great training atmosphere, and lots of intangibles in the way of education/contacts. What exactly is the downside that makes SSM more attractive to parents who have to give thier kids up to attend?
ssm south, So my son players for a team in south metro and wants to improve his soccer ability. He made varsity this year as a freshman at his HS. He's the top player on his club team. When can he try out for the Faribault club to see if he can play on their U16 team? When does the Faribault club hold tryouts? And can he play on that Faribault team if he stays at his current High School?
I'm very glad to hear that. I can't believe people snivel about driving to games. Another example "I'm involved with my kids, aren't I a good parent, until it gets inconvenient" Then I want a rule change so I'm home in time for tv.
SSMSC, Great Post and your Right On!! I really liked the bit from Para 1) How True!
10s Dad
By the way, I watched the 18s State Cup final this past weekend, ASC won 2-1 v WDM..however this sport is cruel. It was all WDM. Heard that ASC will be attending the SSM-Adidas winter showcase in Jan. Oh yea, MVD will be visiting in 2 weeks.
Man, the Iowans are trying to take over in here. WDM choked? Is that news? SSM that's a wonderful post on how your daughter graduated from her Iowa friends (some) and Iowa high school soccer. I bet she loves the fact that you come on here and blabber about her life. I personally find it touching that you miss her, though. If she were an MTA girl, you could get a special dispensation to stay at a 4-star hotel all week to see all of her games and training. Check it out.
Whats wrong with SSMSC's post?? I see nothing but facts here. He isnt braggin on his kid. Its for all the miscommunication that is spewed on this site. Ah, your kid probley wouldnt make the program anywho so what the heck. Its easier to complain and cry about a program than it is to give it a try.
Glad to see 4:00 being a nut as well for being in this blog site.
Gee, should we bite on that 7:44? More apt is something like this "I am a mindless goober mta zombie, my masters, the directors told me to go on the blog and stir up trouble, I must do as MAster says....."
Very good, now name one good college player currently or previous to now that was developed by Bangu/MTA. Fact is, they are a collection of previously CC developed players. From here forward (the current U-14's), we shall see the finished product of the MTA.
10:57- To have an opportunity, all you have to do is contact the coaching staff. The wesite is easy enough to find. If you contact them, they will invite him to guest sometime this winter. Once the line of communication is opened up, everything else falls into place.
He must attend the school to participate in the soccer program. Just the way it is.......
3:33- After re-reading my post, I will admit that #5 probably went a little far and the last part wasn't necessary. But, like the poster said after your comment-- the post was made to clear up inaccurate claims made by a previous poster. Wish I could tell you who, but can't tell one anon from another.
I can tell you, however, that my daughter does read this site on occasion to laugh at all of us. She can't believe how stupid we all act sometimes....and we're the "adults". She finds it humorous and a great way to kill brain cells.
Show me a kid who doesn't want to play with the best against the best and I'll show you someone who someday will be at the bottom of the food chain. Today it's all about competition in the global economy.
8:03am...Nope, MVD is still playing for the Heat, she just helped them win State Cup last weekend. Where on earth did you hear she quit the sport? She is one of the most gun-ho players you will find.
Very good, now name one good college player currently or previous to now that was developed by Bangu/MTA. Fact is, they are a collection of previously CC developed players. From here forward (the current U-14's), we shall see the finished product of the MTA.
You can also say that the same thing happened with Eclipse. A few yrs back, when Eclipse only had 3 teams, all the players came from smaller clubs, now, look at them. They have numerous teams from U9 all the way up. I think the current U15G team was the first young team that started with Eclipse at U12. Eclipse has boys teams now and from what Im hearing, they are starting to make a name for themselves in Ctown v the Sockers, Magic and Fire Jrs.
10's Dad, Many of the Tsunami Stars ahve been on that team for 6-7 years or more. Most of them have received D1 scholarships and will be entering college fall 2009. Kelsey Bertamus from that team is already at Northwestern but was injured again this year.
5:47..I have nothing negative about Bangu/MTA or its history or where the players came from prior to playing with the current club. I respect the Stars, as my dd trained with them at times this last summer while playing with Lightning. We were on a visit last fall at a school and one of the Star players were there the same time. Had a nice time speaking with the mom. Matter of fact, one of her best friends was the keeper on the Stars, JS. I was just debating the person (7:44) who was complaining that players came to Bangu from CC's. I think the over all objective of MTA is kinda like what has happened with Eclipse and how it has mophed within Region II and the US. Sorry if it came across as negative.
Hey, at least you know who I am and IM not hiding behind a anon :)
there is one team who played them evenly last yr, another one in ssm who is probably better than them...both of those teams have added quality players, while stars have lost couple to college (one who won't play state cup because of injury)...its a pretty legit question.
The Stars have won far more impressive national tournaments than the Inferno. I think thats a measure of which of these 2 teams is the more successful and better overall. I think you're aware of that bit of reality.
311 is correct but only because Inferno has won nothing of significance at regional or national level and is 1-9-2 at regions. Stars have won nothing since Vegas years ago and are barely above 500 at regions. Neither of these teams scares anyone but they are by far the best we have at their age groups other than SSM at U18. I also am curious what MTA did to replace Stars graduated players, 4 of them I believe? Surely a great development program like theirs provided players to step in and they did not have to raid other teams.
Above 500 at Regions is excellent for Minnesota team. And winning the LV Tourney an incredible feat for a Minnesota team. Those accomplishments dwarf the results Inferno has had at Regions or any out of state tournament. No contest.
The U18 age group is much weaker at the regional level than the U17's with Inferno. That is why Inferno has had little success there compared to other teams at weaker age groups. Re Wings JE does not focus on Premier league to win, those games are for development. If she wanted Inferno could handle Wings/MTA or whatever they are called now.
realistically the inferno probably do have better talent across the board, however je's incompetence as a coach will continue to hold them back in terms of success...Sad but true
Gullible idiots abound. Like anyone in the know at MTA would drop a teaser on this site. Just another person bored at work and trying to stir the pot probably. Why do you care anyway? Doesn't sound like you're even part of that club. Try focusing on your own business for a change. I know it's tough.
these MTA posters are really killing MTA. If I was in any leadership position at MTA I would ask those poster to PLEASE GET OFF MY SIDE. MA and company must cringe every time they read an idiotic post supporting MTA.
It seems Inferno parents have found the kool aid fountain. 1 region win and hardly a goal scored in four trips under 2 very qualified coaches and they rip on their current coach. Reality check needed.
6:14 The manner in which the directors at MTA conduct themselves fosters this kind of idiotic behavior. Don't kid yourself, many of them are frequent contributers here too I'd bet.
When are you wannabes gonna get it. Any kid who's any good wants to play for MTA. Why would anybody settle for second best. CC's are fine for kids who just want to kick the ball around and have a treat after the game.
8:59 I'll borrow from another poster, go to bed now and try to grow up a bit. Do oyur parents know you are up this late?
Gee, should we bite on that 7:44? More apt is something like this "I am a mindless goober mta zombie, my masters, the directors told me to go on the blog and stir up trouble, I must do as MAster says....."
i could go one for hours writing the last two blogs posts over and over again.... oh wait that's what you are all doing already but doing it with more words.
Two outstanding club players from Germany will be attending HS here in MN. They have been approved to play HS and are now signed to play with an MTA team. They are now living with one of the kids grand parents. I have seen them work out. There's only one MN player who could play with them. Their Mta club is a cinch to win state cup and their HS team will probably go undefeated. Yes,they are that good.
They musty be attending WDB H.S., who will be better in '09 than they were in '08. No one will beat WDB next year, with/without these two so-called "studs". If they are goinmg to a Class A school, it wouldn't take that much to win it all anyway, unless of course, this is all fluff.
BTEW, the Inferno doesn't play in the MRL--no college coach exposure in the First Division!
547, Hate to burst your bubble, but there are about 15 players from mn on the girls side who received d1 scholarships as a result of beeing seen by coaches during mrl 1st division games last spring
I believe the German players are cousins. Their name is Burkhardt. One is an attacker and the other is a mid.They are schooling here to get a better feel for the language. What is ironic they will have to take some classes when they return to Frankfurt because our schools lag behind theirs in math and science.
Name them, by initials and club please. There is no way 15 MN girls from the '09 class who played in the First Division of the MRL are going to play D-1 next year. They would have to come from Woodbury Eclipse, which does have some very solid D-1 players, Bangu white which does have some weak D-1 program recruits, or Eden Prairie which at very best might have one or two very weak D-1 program recruits. The Stars and Wings played at MRL Premier level and had the majority of the top D-1recruits other than the aforementioned Eclipse team which in fact did have a few solid D-1 players. Wanna lie again?
As a sidenote, D-1 coaches don't waste their time on MRL First Division league games and are rarely seen at the U-17 and U-16 play-offs.
2-3 from ep 5-6 from eclipse atleast 3 from mta(bangu select)
these are the ones i know of for sure...their are a number of others from these teams who received offers from various d1 schools outside of mn, but ended up committing to d2 schools in mn to be closer to home.
2-3 from ep 5-6 from eclipse atleast 3 from mta(bangu select)
these are the ones i know of for sure...their are a number of others from these teams who received offers from various d1 schools outside of mn, but ended up committing to d2 schools in mn to be closer to home.
Put the verbals on this site. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=poknaL_RaORDOMcyz_riBDA&gid=0
It is interesting to see where everyone is going. 2009's are almost done as well as the top 2010's. Not a good thing that soccer commits happen so early but that is the way it is.
822- the post reads "about 15". in other words approximately or in the neighborhood of 15..so the 10-12 that i know of for sure is a number that is around or near 15. I hope that makes sense.
Their are minimum of minimum of 2 and 5 on ep and wsc respectively. I'm not putting names on this site. if those individuals want their names on here they can post them.
TO ALL, for clarity's sake please B or G the gender please standard 3 letter SCV EDP style club names please HS schools MTA-G 16 W name teams like WILDCATS or STARS while iffy , are at least specific thanks OFT CONFUSED
There are a few 09s from SSM that are going to some big time conference schools as well. Spreadsheet shows Pac-10/1 ACC/2 Big 10/1 SEC/1 D2 Seattle Pacific
The Thunder plan to build a new stadium/complex in St Paul complete with 3 training fields and a residential dorm. Don't know if this is the news people are posting about?
Here's the scoop, and remember you heard it here first. MTA is starting a franchise business that will replicate their astounding success here and become a revenue stream to support their extensive operation. They will be selling MTA franchises nationwide, a package deal like "No money down Carleton Sheets" complete with a video! How to have the best coaches, the best training, the best players, Blog templates for the truly superstar coach/director to share wisdom with the great unwashed masses. This is a true soccer revolution!
I heard there is required reading when you register your precious at MtA now. Specifically, parents are required to memorize Abboudians, chapters 1-3. There is a test at the end to assure that both talking with sweeping physical gestures and hurling insults at all heretics have been properly programmed into each drone. The children receive extra training, as they are apparently more resistant to the master's message. It seems the more resistant types are given extra equipment (worn about the the head for several years) that transmits special messages and serves as a symbol of obedience to help the message become permanent.
MTA boys, bangu, wings, clubs in twenty plus years of existence have yet to accomplish anything close to what SSM did in just 3 years. Am sure this is just another stunt to to deflect on where top flight talent should go here in minnesota. MTA will belly flop against SSM now that they are in state cup. Look at SSM U-18 schedule and compare it to any high school soccer and MTA schedule. Men against boys. But this gimmick IS certainly good promotion to spend money on second best boys team and club syStem in state.
Wow, with home grown Germans. Actually, what has changed. Now they recruit from another country, vs. the lowly CC's. How impressive is that? Watch out Goober parents, if this is true, you're son/daughter may be relegated back to the lowly CC's for further development!
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10s Dad
Hey! You're not allowed on here...you are another Iowan polluting this fine MN blog! What do you know about MN Futbol?
Excuse us while we speak our native Iowa dialect....
oink, oinken, oinker. Snort, sniff, oink?
3:05:
He know infinitely more than you do.
Hey what's the best thing coming out of Iowa? I35!!
Why did they put turf on an outside stadium field? To keep the cheerleaders from grazing!
SSM, Please stop speaking PIG LATIN, Most Minnesotans only speak Norwegian or spanish!!
3:15- Know why all the trees in Iowa lean North? Because Minnesota sucks.
I LOVED the IA/MN joke war of the 80s!
3:28- Uff da! Du er rett , beklager.
Do you realize if MN ceded the lower tier of counties to Iowa it would raise the collective IQ of both states? JK
You could just drain the lakes and send the rest of the State to Florida in a shoebox.....
Hey! Did you guys hear about the fire in the U of MN football dorm that destroyed 20 books?
Wait for it......
Wait for it...........
The real tragedy of the whole deal was that 15 hadn't even been colored in yet.
@9:34am. What? Nothing to say when asked to provide facts? Par for the course. Once again the ignorant throw out unsubstantiated claims trying to build cracks in a program their kid has no interest in being a part of. Why the hate? Look deep inside. Why the hate?
That is an excellent question. Why must those who coach, direct, or take their children to MTA (formerly Bangu) spew hate in the form of derisive comments towards the other clubs? Go there, coach there, recruit for them but stop the hating.
USA 17s go down in defeat tonight
USA 2
Japan 3
www.fifa.com
Who from Bangu/MTA is "hating" other clubs?
Can you show us the posts here on this blog?
1043 are you new in town? Changing the name does not change the warts. M(T)A, Bangu, whatever, these meatheads are the same people who have spewed venom (did you forget about RTR already?) at other area clubs for years. Do it your way, but own it.
Hey SSM - No amount of MN/Iowa jokes can deflect people here from being annoyed with your inane pronouncements. The hypocritical "I won't take the bait" followed by "coward," and "provincial mentality" (that's hurtful coming from the piggy mudpen, where you're probably envious of any patch of civilization) quagmire you wallow in is off-putting, and your command of the English language is distinctly Iowan as well ("effect" is a verb there and is spelled "affect"). I would have thought some of that Shattuck education would stick to you by osmosis, but it was probably driven away by the smell.
Seriously, though, the point isn't my anonymity or your Iowan nature. It's letting you know that you're not very interesting. Just a PSA, no need to tell me not to read, as I come here to read others' posts and it's impossible to miss your thoughtful contributions.
11:43,
I've been reading this blog for several months and haven't seen anyone from Bangu or MTA bashing other clubs.
Can you give us a specific where we can read this "bashing?"
MTA U16Girls Premier open tryouts Sat 8 Nov 10:30am at AHA Dome
Anonymous said...
Hey SSM - No amount of MN/Iowa jokes can deflect people here from being annoyed with your inane pronouncements. The hypocritical "I won't take the bait" followed by "coward," and "provincial mentality" (that's hurtful coming from the piggy mudpen, where you're probably envious of any patch of civilization) quagmire you wallow in is off-putting, and your command of the English language is distinctly Iowan as well ("effect" is a verb there and is spelled "affect"). I would have thought some of that Shattuck education would stick to you by osmosis, but it was probably driven away by the smell.
Seriously, though, the point isn't my anonymity or your Iowan nature. It's letting you know that you're not very interesting. Just a PSA, no need to tell me not to read, as I come here to read others' posts and it's impossible to miss your thoughtful contributions.
29/10/08 11:53 PM
This one is easy..If you do not like reading SSMSC post's, then skip them. Everyone can tell its him when they see his Igloo picture attached.
IMHO, a year ago SSMSC had something to add on here Lately he's become another shill for MTA think and has lost credibility. Hiding behind the "many options" blah blah shows an ignorance of the facts related to how the animosity created by them has tainted the soccer atmosphere here in Mn.
SSMSC has nothing to gain from being a "shill" for MTA.
He is an outside observer with a decent grasp of youth soccer and offers a valued opinion to many on this blog.
Agree with 2:20 actually hoping to meet the guy this weekend.
SSMSC is a big ugly dude!!
10s Dad
ps. If u hook up this w/end, ask him what the best words of wisdom was shared w/him when his dd was first introduced to select soccer
Does anyone know if there is a blog site like this one on MN highschool basketball??
Thanks!!
10s Dad
i've met ssmsc and he is a stand up guy. he is not a shill for mta (in fact his daughter played mysa for a competitive club). he believes in offering any elite player out there as many options as possible and then letting them decide what path they want to take. want to play rec soccer - cool, want to play for a true cc - cool, want to play for a larger cc which might have more extensive training - cool, want to play for mta - cool, want to play for ssm or img - cool. i've never heard him bash another club or team. he's got more courage out there than this anon as anyone with any investigative schools can search him out.
not exactly a blog but information on Minnesota girls basketball
http://www.gbbrecruit.blogspot.com/
10:23- I am no more a shill for MTA than for Woodbury, Blackhawks, or Gitchi Gummi. I don't care where you're from, I am just happy that people are open minded enoughto let thier kids play soccer. It isn't so down here in my "hog lot".
To my anonymous friend....way to prove how much more you have to offer these discussions than me. All I have seen from you is peprsonal attacks on me. But, since you won't take a moniker we can't tell exactly what posts are yours....can we?
10s dad is right....I am the big, ugly one on the sidelines. Thanks for the confidence builder. That's what buddies are for, right?
Wonder if a few teams will lose players to teh U16 MTA premier team team that will get the blog going =)
3:22,
Why would they lose players to U16 MTA? I hear MTA is the one losing their players to other teams like Woodbury and Eden Prairie.
MTA 16's will not win state cup anymore =)
That post is from one of their directors trying to stir up trouble. Like any child ignore them
That post is from one of their directors trying to stir up trouble. Like any child ignore them
Anon 6:14
Why do all your posts double up?
Do you stutter?
who did they lose to EP?
9:40,
Oh so you DON'T KNOW =) hahaha. Well you will find out soon enough
My guess is that poster doubles up as he/she knows Goobers are so blinded by their hate they need to read things twice.
Whats a goober?
When all the jawing is done MTA will dominate yet again.That's just the way it is. You wannabes should be used to it by now.
#14's Mom
#14's Mom,
And which team does your daughter play for?
A "goober" is a term used by haters who just can't get over the fact that when at the top of their game, Bangu Tsunami made a huge change to merge with Wings and form the MTA, and will now continue to lead elite player development in MN.
Wouldn't that make the "haters" the "Goobers?"
And why would they hate the merger of two clubs? It just makes sense to get bigger and pool players and form better doesn't it?
Do people hate that they're getting better?
CC's are fine for the kids that just want to boot the ball around with their friends and eat treats after the games. Nothing wrong with that.But if your kid is a real competitor thanit's MTA for them.
Just like there are real D1s and and a slew of colleges who pretend to be D1.
If your kid doesn't strive to be the best and compete with the best they will probably end up at the bottom of the food chain later in life. In todays global economy it's all about survival of the fittest.
9:33,
Well said! thats why in the U-17 age group Woodbury is the best team and not bangu. What about the U-16 age? that one is getting harder and harder for MTA. BTW, Shattuck will take the 18's.
So MTA is the best option for these girls?
I THINK NOT!
9:33 Sums up the reason there is a fair amount of animosity toward MTA. That post did not come from one idiot. That is representative (not a representative) of the manner in which the people who day to day run that club denigrate the competition. They use that type of code to make people think the club their child is in has no chance of developing them as a player. There is in fact a too high percentage of idiots like that concentrated at MTA. It is difficult to imagine they were allowed to have children.
7:02.
Please show an example on this blog where anyone from MTA has attacked another club.
What do you base this claim on?
Which representative from the MTA club have you heard denigrate other clubs?
People keep making accusations but fail to substantiate their allegations.
11:36,
Bangu/MTA won 8 State Cup championships in 2008, 8 in 2007 and 7 in 2006.
In 2008 no other club won more than 1 championship.
Until another club rises up and begins developing highly successful teams at multiple age groups your claim is rather hollow. I am happy to see a few clubs realizing they need to pool talent from across the metro to be able to compete with Bangu. Competition makes everyone better.
And now with Bangu/MTA aligning with the the Minnesota Thunder and having access to the like of Manny Lagos, Amos Magee and other Thunder personnel they will only get better. Not to mention having access to the top talent that was at the Wings club.
Other programs are getting better as they've been forced to train indoors and compete in regional tournaments to try to keep pace.
The Woodbury U17 girls are a perfect example of following the path set by the Bangu club. SCV has also done this from time to time.
They have pooled the top talent at a particular age group from players from all across the Twin Cities. This is what is necessary to compete with top states from Region 2 and nationally.
While I'm not involved with the Thunder organization or MTA I am avid soccer fan and give credit where credit is due.
They have elevated the quality of soccer here in Minnesota and raised the bar for all other clubs which has over the past 5 years seen Minnesota have respectable results at Region 2 championships. Some of you newbies might not know this but until recent years many of the teams Minnesota sent to Region 2 championships were just lucky to score a goal.
There were exceptions (Blackhawks boys from long ago and MVSC Tsunami Sota girls) but these were the rare exception rather than the rule.
Sorry for the long and windy ramble but we should be celebrating the overall improvement of the level of play here in our state rather than attacking each other.
Now I'm heading to church.
Amen.
Miac fan is exactly right. It is not necessary to belong to MTA but you do need to follow the model that they and St. Croix have done over the years. The current U17 WDB team is a good example of that. Until the MVSC Tsunami Sota at older ages and MVSC (later Bangu) Stars at young ages came along MN teams were patsies at regions and other out of state events. Our state cup champs as a group now are as good as any R2 state except IL and MI.
I agree 8:54. People bash what Bangu has done in terms of pursuing their vision for elite players and ruffling feathers along the way. Feathers need to be ruffled sometimes for the game to develop. Everyone can speak til their blue in the face about how they WOULD have supported MTA if the Thunder had approached all the club directors together. Get real. Everyone talks a big game. Some people walk it.
Sorry kool-aid drinkers, youth sports were and are on a trajectory that would have happened here even if Bangu/MTA never had existed. The specialization of younger and younger kids in sports was going on elsewhere long before. To keep the LIE going that Bangu is responsible for all the good players and teams here directly or indirectly is foolish, to be generous. The fools who feed into this nonsense are to be ptied for their ignorance.
anon 10:34,
Nobody has claimed that Bangu is responsible for all the good players.
Many are acknowledging that Bangu/MTA was the 1st club to mimic the model that was so successful in other states and in doing so have raised the bar for other clubs if they wish to compete.
There's no doubt they've led the way here and others are now following.
Bangu has some sharp minds in their organization and with their latest move of affiliating with the Minnesota Thunder and Wings they've taken another big step to keep themselves ahead of the rest of the pack pack.
The sooner more clubs follow that model the sooner they'll be competitive and we'll then see Bangu/MTA become less dominant.
This won't happen overnight but over the course of several years.
If all that is done is continued whining, name calling and bashing then Bangu/MTA will continue to be the dominating force they are today.
Tearing them down isn't going to work. We've seen that going on for years and they keep getting better.
What will work is making your own club a better place for players and give them less incentive to sign on with Bangu/MTA.
LOL at 1034. Probably one of the same type of people who fought against AAU basketball entering the state. Then when it brought about a greatly increased level of play said the players would have become better anyway. Now THAT is strong kool aid.
Did you guys know that Bangu/MTA directors are the ones ALWAYS posting on this site? =)
IT IS TRUE
Is the MTA U14 Girls White team that lost 0-1 to Wayzata at NSC fall cup the old Wings team that won State?
10:34, typical mediocre ignorance. No idea of high level soccer. I'm sure you're knowledgeable in some field, but leave the elite soccer development to the pros in MTA and other high level clubs. Thanks
I've watched lots of that high level soccer lately, must be the altittude that is causing the phone calls and talks from parents looking to leave the MTA promiseland.
2:40,
When State Cup ends in 2009 MTA will once again have won 7-8 State Cup championships.
Funny how every year we hear how they "won't win that many again" yet it continues to happen.
It must be hard for you to continue to lose to the same teams over and over again.
When they have a National Champion team like the Blackhawks you can brag, until then get to work and stop annoying the rest of us with the goober braying.
2:56,
When your club can win more than 1 State Cup championship a year you may have some credibility.
Until then you're just a whiner and a wannabe.
I suggest instead of wasting your time in here you devote that much time to improving your own club.
If you had done that for the last few years by now maybe you would be making some headway.
We have one more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP than the pretenders. And if you can be honest with yourself, the common practice of club shopping makes it easier to win State Cup now than it was 10 years ago. Bangu, now MTA do a very good job of pooling the existing talent at certain age groups. Let's see them tranlate that into more success at the regional and national level instead of running their mouth on blogs.
MTA girls have had much success at regional and national tournaments. Are they Eclipse or Hawks? No, but on a par with anyone else in region 2. They are ranked #19 in country among girls clubs. Do some research before running your mouth and build instead of criticize. Or is that too much work?
So 3:20 is from the Blackhawks...
When was the last time you had a team win regionals?
Storlien's Tsunami Sota girls went 2 years in a row in 2002 and 2003.
Abbouds girls won regions in 2007.
The game has changed a lot since Lagos and gang won it all in 1990.
In looking at results the last 2 years the Blackhawks haven't won a single state cup championship. No wonder you're a bit cranky.
Maybe you guys should have hooked up with the Thunder when you had the chance.
Something must be ascue in MTA-ville they seem to be hyperdefensive these days.
I don't see any hyperdefensiveness. I do see the usual responses to the usual attacks. Kind of like watching political commercials.
At agm yesterday I overheard two guys talking about being contacted by MTA teams looking to jump ship, that might by why they are defensive.
Ooooh, scary 5:30PM.
The sheer idiocy on this blog is laughable. MTA, you do not corner the market on elite players. Blackhawks lover, you eat your show preaching about the Nat Champs with Lagos, Magee, Gramenz, etc. Aren't they the ones leading MTA now???? CC board members and DOCs, your hate due to loss of possessions is what is wrong with this sport in MN.
I heard the Blackhawks lost a few of their prized possessions.
Maybe that's why there are some "ruffled hawk feathers" on this blog???
6:50 To date, it appears the only decision those guys have made is to stay out of the way of the "directors". I assume you mean they will replicate their astounding success with the Thunder?
players are neither possessions nor products
Talk about treating them as possessions, How is that pooling of players working out? Keep them there prevent them from exploring other options then put them on the white (cash cow) team when they are out of options.
8:53,
Did you know several girls on the white team received college scholarships?
14 year olds receive scholarships? Keep up the pr machine, you are doing as your masters have trained you.
Keep in mind what a scholarship may be. Getting $2000.00 at a school that might have tuition of $30,000 or more is overblown. Most students can get that with slightly above average academics so it is an athletic scholarship in name only. It does feed the parent's ego however.
9:35,
Whats the phrase? "Ignorance is bliss?"
You're obviously unaware that they field white level teams at several age groups.
You really should become more informed before making such uninformed posts.
On a positive note, I had a good face-to-face meeting with the REV U15 girls coach (aka- Swedish Smurf)this weekend. Was nice to get to meet someone from the blogs in person. Nice guy, thanks for the chat.
I can say these things from my perspective:
1) REV players were a class act, as were their parents/coaches. No issues whatsoever regarding dirty play or trash talking, that is a nice change of pace!
2) Some bright spots seen on both sides of the ball with both teams still needing some work before Spring. I am excited to have the two teams meet again in the Winter to gauge how far both have come.
3) Great weekend for soccer outdoors, not sure how many more of these we have left?
As far as the rest of the discussion on here.....nasty, hateful, and very childish. I guess that if this is the kind of banter that my previous detractor prefers-- I am NOT qualified to take part here? Interesting though.....positivity and open-mindedness gets you name calling. The current crap seems to be what people are interested in.
I think that the red m&ms are a lot better than the blue m&ms although the blue m&ms are much more scarce and probably more valuable.
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SSM!
Pleasure was all mine and the girls really appreciated the opoortunity to play a very good team on a great field on a lovely day.
In the long run saturdays game will help them. We are already looking forward to the game in January by then we will be better
prepared and hopefully healthier,
good luck at CASL.
Will the Shattuck team play State cup at U16?
SS
Ahhhh... Love is in the air.
KUM BY YAH!! Spelling?
Just wondering,
has anyone's daughter received a letter from Shattuck St-Mary's asking to go to an overnight camp over winter break?
Just wondering,
has anyone's daughter received a letter from Shattuck St-Mary's asking to go to an overnight camp over winter break?
4:02, you gotta do something about your bipolar disorder. Or stop clicking the "Publish Your Comment" twice.
Did our lil marathon runner participate in the N Y Marathon or did he skip it so somebody else could win.
boy 14 got one
ssm camp
Yes, I think it was only $385 or some such thing for three days. What a deal! My daughter was IDENTIFIED by them (God-like soccer experts that they are) as a highly skilled player. Whe-e-e-ee!!
Hey Whe-e-e-ee!! Good for your dd, if you dont think its worth a look then throw the letter away. But I sure hope you/her wont regret it yrs later!!
can anyone explain what is
Watch Kare 11 Wednesday or Thursday for a big announcement regarding MTA.
Another moneymaker camp.
No, you're kid is the only player in MN to receive the Top Talent invite. Go for it.
SSM/MTA twin sons of different mothers. Only difference is one recruits MN and the other recruits the nation.
I actually see a big difference between Shattuck and MTA.
Anyone can tryout and play for MTA if they make the team but Shattuck won't even let you tryout unless you fork over $35K a year and attend their school.
Over the next few years truly dedicated and the true top talent will only be at residential programs similar to SSM. This will end most of the drivel that goes on with pretenders such as MTA. There will always be very good club teams but the sport will be dominated at the top level by programs like SSM. Part of the natural progression.
Maybe on the boys side, not on the girls.
8:52..I wouldnt say it like that about the boys and girls sides. I think a better way of putting it is, more on the boys side, not as much on the girls side. Look at some of the girls that are going to play for TOP D1 programs from IMG and SSM. Not all the players, but a fair amount will be attending major D1 programs. Just depends on the player. Now, if you look at Eclipse, same can be said, Some of the top players are going to TOP D1 programs, but not ALL Eclipse girls are going to the TOP programs. And, what none of us really knows is, how much $ did each player get on a soccer scholarship?? 2k$ for a 30k a yr school..If that makes you feel like your getting a great deal, then sure. I think almost any player can go to UNC as a walk on, or maybe get 2k a yr, but will they play?? But as for girls attending full time academies, I think they will always be there, but not in the numbers as the boys, and surely not in the % of skill level as well.
3 yrs ago, I think I shared this earlier, at a Natl Camp (90's), they asked the girls if anyone would be interested in leaving home for a year to train for the U17/20 World Cup (17s going on now, 20s next month), the vote and results surprised me. Most (not all) of the girls did not want to leave home. This was at the highest level. These are the facts that I know of, not just my opinion without basic facts.
10s Dad
And for 8:35, this has been beaten down for a long time, 35K a year to attend SSM. Come on!! Keep spewing the hate. Unless you have another motive?? I would sure like to hear the facts on this comment??
They spew that as the SSM model is a threat to their MTA possessions. The future is here and it scares those with a stake in the status quo.
9:53,
Most kids would rather go to their local HS and play with their own club rather than be at a boarding school.
There will be a handful of Minnesota players who may end up at SSM but most of the players will be from out of state.
It's not really a threat to any Minnesota clubs including MTA.
Any hints on the big Kare 11 story?
If MTA gets USSF Academy status as rumor has it there will be even less incentive for Minnesota players to choose Shattuck.
Any currently top team who loses their top 2 players would be hurt. SSM will not be the only option in 2-3 years. There will be a change that merges full time soccer with truly elite players. One thing here, the term elite is way overused. Winning MN State Cup with a pooling of talent is not truly elite soccer.
Can't give it away, sworn to secrecy but it's big,, way big!
Get serious.
No single team will lose 2 top players to Shattuck.
How many clubs in Minnesota have lost 2 players from 1 age group/team to them?
Go back and read s l o w l y there will be progams similar to SSM and truly motivated elite kids will go.
again as previously noted, boys yes, girls not so much.
MTA boys get USSF Academy status...thats the news...ask any talkative mta director/"professional" coach
that's funny!...do you think the development academy would only choose the thunder...
Hopefully a thoughful process will rule out MTA for the academy. We need more than the ability to fool parents and pool talent then call it development by pro coaches. The decision makers hopefully will have a long view big picture mentality for this project.
Thank you for that unbiased view, but the decision has been made. Hopefully the decision makers are more knowledgeable than the average anonymous blog poster.
It is not biased...I don't see the academy choosing just mta for all of MN...heck..TX has there own division...this is a question of cost...teams are not going to come here for just one game..hence, it would be natural to have ssm and mta come into the league together..
and really..there are only two true academies in the US..one being ssm..if you look at the standings you will notice that the great lakes division has yet to play a game..you want to know why?........High School.
The problem will still be the same money who will and can afford to send ther children to soccer academies a very few percentage a even smaller percentage will have children that are good enough
It's too bad they will hinder progress by giving the academy to the divisive rubes at MTA .... big mistake.
USSF will select MTA and Shattuck so teams who travel here can play 2 games on the trip.
My guess is because SSM doesn't really have a developmental program that will fall under MTA's umbrella. SSM will be included just to provide another game on the trip to Minnesota.
This will be a great thing to further player development in our state.
does this mean no more mta in state cup on the boys side? If so, I wonder how many jump ship
MTA will be able to compete at State Cup in all age groups not involved in the Academy.
So they won't have boys teams in State Cup at 16 and 18.
And why would a kid jump ship when they could be in the USSF Academy?
Anonymous said...
Hopefully a thoughful process will rule out MTA for the academy. We need more than the ability to fool parents and pool talent then call it development by pro coaches. The decision makers hopefully will have a long view big picture mentality for this project.
4/11/08 11:55 AM
This guy is a complete idiot. A complete selfish rec minded parent. What agenda do really have. 50-50 playing time, no contact involved, parent coaching.
937-
I think he/she is saying that most people would prefer things to be done with integrity, however that is not possible with mta as most of their leadership lack that quality.
In my experience the parent coaches my daughter had were far superior to the "professional" coaches she had. My experience may be the exception but I've seen it other places as well. What soccer calls licensing is a joke. B license this, that whatever. Many "licensed" coaches are poor at best. Baseball develops huge numbers of college and major league athletes and for most baseball players most of their development comes from parent coaches.
9:37 Why the hateful talk? Where in that post do you read equal play time and parent coaches? Take your meds soon. The academy program is huge for the state and the way of the future for true elite soccer. The point is, the MTA guys have way too much negative baggage and we all want this to succeed.
Not saying I agree totally with 7:14, but I've had high school and college coaches in various sports that knew less about the sport they were coaching than did the majority of my teammates on those teams. A license means little if the person behind that license is an idiot or can't control player emotions.
7:35,
Please elaborate on your "negative baggage" comment.
We'd like to know what you're including in that broad brush comment.
8:35-
You're wrong. Basic timeline shown below to show that you are making assumptions, not talking reality.
December 2006-
Daughter comes to guest play with SSM to see if she can contribute to the program (read as try-out).
Daughter was sick, didn't play great. Saw potential, wanted her to come back in Feb for better look (read as second try-out).
February 2007-
Daughter comes back, is healthy. Plays well and we talk about specifics of scholarship and basics of financial (need based) aid, entrance requirements, grades, etc.
Late July 2007-
Specific offer given regarding total cost after financial aid. Decision made to attend.
August 2007-
Dropped her off at school, tuition and fees paid at this time.
SO-
Not only did we not have to pay $35k before her try-out (it was paid 8 months later), but the final amount with need based financial aid was not much more than the cost of feeding, housing, paying for gas to get her to training (50 miles each way x 3days/week), and club fees in Iowa.
Trade-offs-
1) I don't get to see her everyday.
But, I do talk to her much more than I did when she was at home. And we talk about everything....we are much closer now as she has become more responsible (almost an adult).
2) I don't get to attend all her games. Her previous team was in MRL also, and we traveled all over before. I see as many as I did before.
3) She had to leave some friends behind. Interesting, but once she left this didn't bother her much. When she comes home, she visits those she has stayed close to...those she doesn't weren't that great of friends anyway. Kind of sounds like what happens after graduation, doesn't it?
4) She doesn't get to play soccer for her community high school. She played as an 8th grader and HATED HS soccer in Iowa. So, no big loss in her opinion.
5) She doesn't get to play other sports. This might be a big one...she was a ranked 400m, 800m, and High Jumper in AAU. Was slated to be a varsity starter in basketball as a freshman. I think this bothers me more than her, as I would have like to see her win a Track and Field State Championship (she would have last year with previous year's times).
9:57--
You talk about only outside MN players being interested in programs like SSM. I don't understand that at all (not saying I'm right, just don't understand).
If you live in the cities, your kid could be a "day student" and be at home at night with you. And, that decreases the base tuition. So- lower cost, kid's at home at night, gets a great training atmosphere, and lots of intangibles in the way of education/contacts. What exactly is the downside that makes SSM more attractive to parents who have to give thier kids up to attend?
ssm south,
So my son players for a team in south metro and wants to improve his soccer ability. He made varsity this year as a freshman at his HS. He's the top player on his club team.
When can he try out for the Faribault club to see if he can play on their U16 team?
When does the Faribault club hold tryouts?
And can he play on that Faribault team if he stays at his current High School?
Any major changes from the MYSA AGM last weekend.
Did the 30 mile limit for U12 and under fail?
The 30 mile rule was soundly defeated.
I'm very glad to hear that. I can't believe people snivel about driving to games. Another example "I'm involved with my kids, aren't I a good parent, until it gets inconvenient" Then I want a rule change so I'm home in time for tv.
SSMSC, Great Post and your Right On!! I really liked the bit from Para 1) How True!
10s Dad
By the way, I watched the 18s State Cup final this past weekend, ASC won 2-1 v WDM..however this sport is cruel. It was all WDM.
Heard that ASC will be attending the SSM-Adidas winter showcase in Jan. Oh yea, MVD will be visiting in 2 weeks.
Man, the Iowans are trying to take over in here. WDM choked? Is that news? SSM that's a wonderful post on how your daughter graduated from her Iowa friends (some) and Iowa high school soccer. I bet she loves the fact that you come on here and blabber about her life. I personally find it touching that you miss her, though.
If she were an MTA girl, you could get a special dispensation to stay at a 4-star hotel all week to see all of her games and training. Check it out.
I think you all are nuts.
Whats wrong with SSMSC's post?? I see nothing but facts here. He isnt braggin on his kid. Its for all the miscommunication that is spewed on this site. Ah, your kid probley wouldnt make the program anywho so what the heck. Its easier to complain and cry about a program than it is to give it a try.
Glad to see 4:00 being a nut as well for being in this blog site.
4:18 Are you a SSM grad? Remedial spelling please.
The cc's are an excellent feeder system to MTA much like triple a baseball is to the majors. It's good for soccer.
Gee, should we bite on that 7:44? More apt is something like this "I am a mindless goober mta zombie, my masters, the directors told me to go on the blog and stir up trouble, I must do as MAster says....."
7:44:
Very good, now name one good college player currently or previous to now that was developed by Bangu/MTA. Fact is, they are a collection of previously CC developed players. From here forward (the current U-14's), we shall see the finished product of the MTA.
10:57-
To have an opportunity, all you have to do is contact the coaching staff. The wesite is easy enough to find. If you contact them, they will invite him to guest sometime this winter. Once the line of communication is opened up, everything else falls into place.
He must attend the school to participate in the soccer program. Just the way it is.......
3:33-
After re-reading my post, I will admit that #5 probably went a little far and the last part wasn't necessary. But, like the poster said after your comment-- the post was made to clear up inaccurate claims made by a previous poster. Wish I could tell you who, but can't tell one anon from another.
I can tell you, however, that my daughter does read this site on occasion to laugh at all of us. She can't believe how stupid we all act sometimes....and we're the "adults". She finds it humorous and a great way to kill brain cells.
2:48:
You refer to MVD. Is that the MVD of the WDM Heat? I had heard she quit soccer? True?
Show me a kid who doesn't want to play with the best against the best and I'll show you someone who someday will be at the bottom of the food chain. Today it's all about competition in the global economy.
8:03am...Nope, MVD is still playing for the Heat, she just helped them win State Cup last weekend. Where on earth did you hear she quit the sport? She is one of the most gun-ho players you will find.
10s Dad
7:44:
Very good, now name one good college player currently or previous to now that was developed by Bangu/MTA. Fact is, they are a collection of previously CC developed players. From here forward (the current U-14's), we shall see the finished product of the MTA.
You can also say that the same thing happened with Eclipse. A few yrs back, when Eclipse only had 3 teams, all the players came from smaller clubs, now, look at them. They have numerous teams from U9 all the way up. I think the current U15G team was the first young team that started with Eclipse at U12. Eclipse has boys teams now and from what Im hearing, they are starting to make a name for themselves in Ctown v the Sockers, Magic and Fire Jrs.
10s Dad
10's Dad,
Many of the Tsunami Stars ahve been on that team for 6-7 years or more.
Most of them have received D1 scholarships and will be entering college fall 2009.
Kelsey Bertamus from that team is already at Northwestern but was injured again this year.
5:47..I have nothing negative about Bangu/MTA or its history or where the players came from prior to playing with the current club. I respect the Stars, as my dd trained with them at times this last summer while playing with Lightning. We were on a visit last fall at a school and one of the Star players were there the same time. Had a nice time speaking with the mom. Matter of fact, one of her best friends was the keeper on the Stars, JS. I was just debating the person
(7:44) who was complaining that players came to Bangu from CC's. I think the over all objective of MTA is kinda like what has happened with Eclipse and how it has mophed within Region II and the US. Sorry if it came across as negative.
Hey, at least you know who I am and IM not hiding behind a anon :)
10s Dad
I would say that MTA teams from 15 and down have been together for a long time. Appears a mojority of the star players has as well.
SS
3:45:
RE: MVD of WDM.
Thanks, I obviously had a bad source.
I know MTA U18 (Stars) had several players leave for college. Did they replace them with white team players or go raiding?
there is one team who played them evenly last yr, another one in ssm who is probably better than them...both of those teams have added quality players, while stars have lost couple to college (one who won't play state cup because of injury)...its a pretty legit question.
Inferno would beat the Stars in best of seven.
213, Please stop sniffing GLUE it obviously kills brain cells. Please save the little you have left!!
2:39:
I think you know the Inferno would beat the Stars.
The Stars have won far more impressive national tournaments than the Inferno.
I think thats a measure of which of these 2 teams is the more successful and better overall.
I think you're aware of that bit of reality.
311 is correct but only because Inferno has won nothing of significance at regional or national level and is 1-9-2 at regions. Stars have won nothing since Vegas years ago and are barely above 500 at regions. Neither of these teams scares anyone but they are by far the best we have at their age groups other than SSM at U18. I also am curious what MTA did to replace Stars graduated players, 4 of them I believe? Surely a great development program like theirs provided players to step in and they did not have to raid other teams.
Should Inferno not try to beat Wings Thunder west before claiming that they are better than the stars?
Above 500 at Regions is excellent for Minnesota team. And winning the LV Tourney an incredible feat for a Minnesota team.
Those accomplishments dwarf the results Inferno has had at Regions or any out of state tournament.
No contest.
The U18 age group is much weaker at the regional level than the U17's with Inferno. That is why Inferno has had little success there compared to other teams at weaker age groups. Re Wings JE does not focus on Premier league to win, those games are for development. If she wanted Inferno could handle Wings/MTA or whatever they are called now.
realistically the inferno probably do have better talent across the board, however je's incompetence as a coach will continue to hold them back in terms of success...Sad but true
What happened to the big MTA story on Kare 11?
more broken promises by mta?
Gullible idiots abound. Like anyone in the know at MTA would drop a teaser on this site. Just another person bored at work and trying to stir the pot probably. Why do you care anyway? Doesn't sound like you're even part of that club. Try focusing on your own business for a change. I know it's tough.
Actually, it sounded interesting so was just wondering if I missed it. Thanks for the "friendly" reponse.
these MTA posters are really killing MTA. If I was in any leadership position at MTA I would ask those poster to PLEASE GET OFF MY SIDE. MA and company must cringe every time they read an idiotic post supporting MTA.
6:07 Why so much anger?
It seems Inferno parents have found the kool aid fountain. 1 region win and hardly a goal scored in four trips under 2 very qualified coaches and they rip on their current coach. Reality check needed.
6:14 The manner in which the directors at MTA conduct themselves fosters this kind of idiotic behavior. Don't kid yourself, many of them are frequent contributers here too I'd bet.
Gophers in final with 1-nil win today.
When are you wannabes gonna get it. Any kid who's any good wants to play for MTA. Why would anybody settle for second best. CC's are fine for kids who just want to kick the ball around and have a treat after the game.
8:59 I'll borrow from another poster, go to bed now and try to grow up a bit. Do oyur parents know you are up this late?
Gee, should we bite on that 7:44? More apt is something like this "I am a mindless goober mta zombie, my masters, the directors told me to go on the blog and stir up trouble, I must do as MAster says....."
"this has happened before and will happen again"
every one else sucks and MTA is the best
i could go one for hours writing the last two blogs posts over and over again.... oh wait that's what you are all doing already but doing it with more words.
How did the Inferno do in the MRL.
Two outstanding club players from Germany will be attending HS here in MN. They have been approved to play HS and are now signed to play with an MTA team. They are now living with one of the kids grand parents. I have seen them work out. There's only one MN player who could play with them. Their Mta club is a cinch to win state cup and their HS team will probably go undefeated. Yes,they are that good.
518,
boys or girls?
5:18:
They musty be attending WDB H.S., who will be better in '09 than they were in '08. No one will beat WDB next year, with/without these two so-called "studs". If they are goinmg to a Class A school, it wouldn't take that much to win it all anyway, unless of course, this is all fluff.
BTEW, the Inferno doesn't play in the MRL--no college coach exposure in the First Division!
547,
Hate to burst your bubble, but
there are about 15 players from mn on the girls side who received d1 scholarships as a result of beeing seen by coaches during mrl 1st division games last spring
Really? Who? Where are they going?
I believe the German players are cousins. Their name is Burkhardt.
One is an attacker and the other is a mid.They are schooling here to get a better feel for the language. What is ironic they will have to take some classes when they return to Frankfurt because our schools lag behind theirs in math and science.
5:47:
Name them, by initials and club please. There is no way 15 MN girls from the '09 class who played in the First Division of the MRL are going to play D-1 next year. They would have to come from Woodbury Eclipse, which does have some very solid D-1 players, Bangu white which does have some weak D-1 program recruits, or Eden Prairie which at very best might have one or two very weak D-1 program recruits. The Stars and Wings played at MRL Premier level and had the majority of the top D-1recruits other than the aforementioned Eclipse team which in fact did have a few solid D-1 players. Wanna lie again?
As a sidenote, D-1 coaches don't waste their time on MRL First Division league games and are rarely seen at the U-17 and U-16 play-offs.
2-3 from ep
5-6 from eclipse
atleast 3 from mta(bangu select)
these are the ones i know of for sure...their are a number of others from these teams who received offers from various d1 schools outside of mn, but ended up committing to d2 schools in mn to be closer to home.
2-3 from ep
5-6 from eclipse
atleast 3 from mta(bangu select)
these are the ones i know of for sure...their are a number of others from these teams who received offers from various d1 schools outside of mn, but ended up committing to d2 schools in mn to be closer to home.
7:55:
Very good, I know of three from WDB, none from EDP and three from MTA White. It's not fifteen as you stated. Initials and their club pleeeeeease!
5:18,
How come you won't tell us if it is on the boys or girls side and which MTA team they will be playing for?
Could it be because you made it ALL up?
Put the verbals on this site. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=poknaL_RaORDOMcyz_riBDA&gid=0
It is interesting to see where everyone is going. 2009's are almost done as well as the top 2010's. Not a good thing that soccer commits happen so early but that is the way it is.
822-
the post reads "about 15". in other words approximately or in the neighborhood of 15..so the 10-12 that i know of for sure is a number that is around or near 15. I hope that makes sense.
Their are minimum of minimum of 2 and 5 on ep and wsc respectively. I'm not putting names on this site. if those individuals want their names on here they can post them.
TO ALL,
for clarity's sake
please B or G the gender
please standard 3 letter SCV EDP style club names
please HS schools
MTA-G 16 W
name teams like WILDCATS or STARS while iffy ,
are at least specific
thanks
OFT CONFUSED
I know of two from MTA 18G W. DG and KN are going to UWGB.
THANKS 9:52
i don't know the players
but i understand what happened
LESS CONFUSED
There are a few 09s from SSM that are going to some big time conference schools as well.
Spreadsheet shows
Pac-10/1
ACC/2
Big 10/1
SEC/1
D2 Seattle Pacific
Regarding MTA look for a BIG announcement either late today or sometime tomorrow.
It will be on Kare 11 6pm news.
I can't believe this if it is true. It's unreal-I can't wait.
Which MTA bigwig is doing the press conference?
I think someone is yanking your chain...
Actually, I was at Planet Soccer this weekend and a guy buying stuff there mentioned he heard the team owners were in town, Maybe that's something.
Can you tell us what it is about?
my guess is that they will be announcing plans for a stadium?????
Where would they put a stadium? I thought MTA and the Thunder were staying at the NSC.
The Thunder plan to build a new stadium/complex in St Paul complete with 3 training fields and a residential dorm.
Don't know if this is the news people are posting about?
That is somewhat old news. This is WAY bigger. Info to follow.
Here's the scoop, and remember you heard it here first. MTA is starting a franchise business that will replicate their astounding success here and become a revenue stream to support their extensive operation. They will be selling MTA franchises nationwide, a package deal like "No money down Carleton Sheets" complete with a video! How to have the best coaches, the best training, the best players, Blog templates for the truly superstar coach/director to share wisdom with the great unwashed masses. This is a true soccer revolution!
I heard there is required reading when you register your precious at MtA now. Specifically, parents are required to memorize Abboudians, chapters 1-3. There is a test at the end to assure that both talking with sweeping physical gestures and hurling insults at all heretics have been properly programmed into each drone. The children receive extra training, as they are apparently more resistant to the master's message. It seems the more resistant types are given extra equipment (worn about the the head for several years) that transmits special messages and serves as a symbol of obedience to help the message become permanent.
Thunder and German club affiliation. Will get to see some top German youth players and vise versa. MTA total domination.
MTA boys, bangu, wings, clubs in twenty plus years of existence have yet to accomplish anything close to what SSM did in just 3 years. Am sure this is just another stunt to to deflect on where top flight talent should go here in minnesota. MTA will belly flop against SSM now that they are in state cup. Look at SSM U-18 schedule and compare it to any high school soccer and MTA schedule. Men against boys. But this gimmick IS certainly good promotion to spend money on second best boys team and club syStem in state.
Is Vardar coming to Minn?
11:19:
Wow, with home grown Germans. Actually, what has changed. Now they recruit from another country, vs. the lowly CC's. How impressive is that? Watch out Goober parents, if this is true, you're son/daughter may be relegated back to the lowly CC's for further development!
How can players from other states and countries be allowed to play in MN State Cup?
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