ssmsc in many MRL divisions there are 10 teams. 3 games per weekend is the norm unless there are multiple teams from your state (which you can schedule at any time).
17 boys should be a very competitive league Valley, St. Croix, Blackhawks, Westside could all win the league, Arsenal and PSA should be decently competitive, depending on who Arsenal still has, Lakeville will be the whipping boy of the league
4:22- Out of 27 MRL Divisions, there are 6 that I could find with more than 8 teams in a Division. It is about one Division per age group. Maybe Fall is different than Spring, but I don't see a big issue here?
Bottom line is that the competition is very good, and in my opinion, if there are more than two games per weekend...all the better. It is better justification for taking a team a couple States away?
I don't think you can call MRL first division good competition, particularly now that there are commonly 4 leagues within it. East, West, Red, Blue and on and on.
call it what you want..The Shattuck 18s had a huge weekend with some help from the 16s..There were a few key players from the 18s that were on their official visits this weekend and the 16s stepped in big time. Good Job girls!!
I couldn't disagree with you more 9:34. It appears you may be just trying to take a shot at Shattuck but MRL First Division from top to bottom has quality teams. Sure the top teams from the region are in the Premier Division but First Division is made up of the teams just a step behind. The league has gained more popularity and credibility as quality teams throughout the region move towards First Division in an effort to find consistent challenging competition.
I don't see 934 as taking a shot at SSM at all, many clubs send teams to MRL First Division. MRL first division is not strong competition anymore. MRL is already split by season, some states fall, some in spring. Then you throw in 3-4 leagues at first division and you end up with teams whose standing in the region could be anywhere from #20-#80 or worse. It has become much to diluted. You would be much better served traveling to a couple of invitational tournaments if you have a strong team. MRL first division is useful as a stepping stone to Premier for a few teams but otherwise it is not worth it IMO.
The Premier reference is to MRL Premier not MYSA Premier, I believe. After being involved with a team that has competed in First Division the competition was very good. I felt the travel and cost was very reasonable as the events were within driving distance. I guess each team needs to decide what is best for them but it was a positive experience for this team.
I would say that the competition is pretty good when you have the top two/three teams from each R2 State playing. If the top two or three teams are good enough to play in the MRL Premier Division, then maybe it is the top three or four teams a State has to offer. In my humble opinion, #4 in Illinois or Ohio South is much more competitive than what can be found in MN this Fall. Would you not agree?
There are only a handful of tournaments each year that attract the top teams from all over the country. Even if your the State Cup Champion from Minnesota your not guaranteed entry, let alone the top flight. The competition of MRL First Division would be similar to (most of) the lower flights at those same tournaments. Keep the comments in context, travel, cost, and competition are all very good and reasonable.
There are only 10 teams in MRL Premier, all of which fall into the top 15 teams from the region. The First Division teams probably rank anywhere from 15 to 75 in the region. How much of a difference is there in the level of play from team 25 to 75? If your realistic, not much, maybe one or two great players or increased depth.
IMO, as SSMSC points out the level of play is much better than you'll find here in Minnesota.
And due to MRL, there isnt that many great fall tournaments. Best of the Midwest (which was held 2 weeks ago) has been destroyed by MRL. Gold Cup is one of the better tournys now, but its held in the beginning of the fall season in Ctown. FCMil, Eclipse are in all brackets.
Good luck to the Thunder teams any anyone else who may head out of state. Looks like the NSC cup will be pretty boring almost only MN teams. MA's group against REV U13 should be interesting
Why are the BTA & Elite girls going to Chicago? Is the tournament more advanced than NSC ? What Tournament is it? Sorry for my ignorance, it is fun to track the MN teams and some of the Tournaments do a pretty good job of keeping the web scoring up to date, others not so good.
Received this from the fargo pres. It appears that the youth council does not know what the mysa leadership (bob/candace) is doing.
"To Whom It May Concern
October 8, 2008
On August 14, 2008, the USSF found that both MYSA and NDYSA violated multiple USSF bylaws and awarded my club relief. The details are contained in the attachments. MYSA did not appeal but NDYSA did appeal. The NDYSA appeal was denied by the USSF Board of Directors in late September.
I have yet to see this crucial decision communicated to the membership of either MYSA or NDYSA. Regardless of the embarrassment, it is important information as you enter in to AGMs, annual meetings, etc. I believe certains sections of the MYSA and NDYSA bylaws, policies and rules are in violation of the USSF bylaws and policies. I would be happy to share that information with anyone interested. Most of it has to do with extraterritorial membership.
Of particular concern is the continuing bad faith efforts by certain MYSA and NDYSA executives to comply (or not) with the USSF ruling. In 2000, the RIYSA was dissolved and new leadership put in place after the second year of USSF bylaw violations. The RIYSA decision is attached to this email. This is important because the Fargo Soccer Club is contemplating a second USSF grievance against both MYSA and NDYSA. I believe it is of utmost importance to hold certain leaders within these organizations accountable - now.
The Fargo Soccer Club is a small club based in Fargo, ND which is seeking to join the MYSA NW league and to have its recreational players join the tri-city league in Fargo, Moorhead and West Fargo. We are also seeking affiliation with NDYSA for our competitive teams."
This from the NSCF this afternoon. Nice leadership in MYSA at the moment.
National Sports Center Foundation Response to MYSA Memo of 10-07-08 From Steve Olson, COO October 10, 2008
MYSA FAILURE TO RESPOND We have formally requested in writing and by phone that we meet to resolve the issues. To date, the NSC has received no response. Moreover, we were not included in the recent MYSA e-mail to club presidents and received the document only through the forwarding of many concerned recipients.
USA CUP MUST SET DATES YEARS IN ADVANCE The USA Cup is a major sporting event. Dates must be set years in advance of the event to ensure its success. Many USA Cup contracts for hotels, dormitories, foreign travel agents, support services, city services, county services, and the dates of the PGA golf event in Blaine are multi-year contracts. The NSC is not being "unilateral" but, instead, our market conditions require that we be organized and set dates on a multi-year basis as a best business practice.
The MYSA practice of setting its dates ten to twelve months in advance of the event creates a near impossible situation. The dates of the 2009 MYSA State Tournament and the format of that tournament will be voted on by the membership at the AGM on November 1, 2008. That occurs years and months after USA Cup business contracts and sanctioning are in place. The NSC cannot delay the sanctioning process and contracts of the USA Cup by nine to twelve months and, consequently, USA Cup dates are always set prior to MYSA. It is not a unilateral decision on the part of the NSC, but a necessity to sustain the event and it significant economic impact to the State of Minnesota.
THE RECENT AGREEMENT MYSA benefited from the recent agreement but did not fulfill its part of the deal. To clarify: The MYSA/NSC agreement stipulated the NSC would discount its rental rates for all MYSA events in exchange for the MYSA to avoid scheduling on top of the USA Cup. The NSC did its part, and the MYSA received over $200,000 in reduced rental fees through the length of the agreement, 2004-2008. This savings directly benefited the MYSA membership. How the MYSA did not do its part: The agreement called for MYSA to set a three year calendar so both parties could cooperate on dates. This did not happen. The agreement called for both parties to be committed to resolve scheduling conflicts. The MYSA leadership did not demonstrate any measurable effort to resolve scheduling conflicts. Instead they abdicated the duty and assigned it to the DOC. District Directors were left to deal with it on their own with little or no support or direction from MYSA leadership. MYSA representatives never requested to meet with the NSC regarding scheduling conflicts. It has always been the reverse, with the NSC initiating multiple meetings. For example, the NSC requested to attend the DOC meeting where the date for the Districts were set for 2008. The NSC request to attend was not granted
REQUEST FOR MEETING We want to restate our strong desire to meet and form a new agreement. We believe a new cooperation is in the best interests of players, coaches, referee and the economy of Minnesota.
The NSC / MYSA disagreement doesn't make sense unless some new "issue" has developed. We've had USA Cup / Districts conflicts for as long as I can remember. Something else must be going on here. I'm with 5:41, MTA might be involved. Then again, the NSC may simply have outgrown it's need / desire to cater only to soccer. Today, the stadium was filled with lacrosse fans watching West Point vs Notre Dame.
MTA has nothing to do with the NSCF and MYSA disagreement. The NSCF has been trying to resolve the conflict of USA Cup and Districts for years and MYSA is not willing to even discuss a possible solution. Again, MYSA is showing its true colors and looking out for themselves and not MN youth soccer players.
I have nothing to gain by lying. By the sound of it, it doesn't matter what I tell you. You are going to believe what you're going to believe. I'm not going to win this argument either way. My opinion only seems to matter if it is in concurrence with yours. Why do you think MTA is involved with this disagreement?
because NSC and MTA have strong ties,especially financially.MTA has a beef with MYSA,throw NSC into it to paint MYSA as the villians,in 5 years MTA can run the leagues too. Lots of little coaches with mini taches!
NSC and MTA don't have strong ties financially. I know what you're getting at...but the Minnesota Thunder Pro Soccer Team is a spearate entity from MTA financially speaking, and they rent the facility like everyone else. The Minnesota Thunder Academy was just formed a few months ago. The NSCF is a non-profit that just operates the NSC facility. Stop blaming everything on the Minnesota Thunder and its new academy.
10:36, that's the problem. MYSA cannot separate the two. Tough to do so, don't you think? Though MTA is not to blame for the MYSA/NSC debacle as MYSA had made it clear prior to MTA and prior to the Thunder moving to NSC that one week/weekend of their district tournament in more important for Minnesota youth soccer than one week of the largest international youth tournaments in the world. Real shame I say. Another indication that the leadership in MYSA is absolutely clueless sometimes.
How do we oust MYSA decision makers we believe inept? AGM? Bring our own candidate and vote? Anyone know?
Lets just have MTA take over all aspects of soccer in Mn.,then everything will be ok.I dont think its right that they dont own the leagues too,if we are going to have a monopoly then MTA should rule all.
If you view this with an unbiased eye perhaps you can then become unlightend to how Minnesota teams are doing against higher level competition in other states. This should really have nothing to do with which club EP, Woodbury, Dakota REV ventures outside the borders. If you have a team in your club that is traveling let us know. Your dislike for these kids is unhealthy.
I don't think there is an MTA website anymore. The old Wings one is for MTA West. Bangu's hasn't been updated since try-outs. RTR might have some info on those two teams 96 & 97.
The Nike cup web page is confusing,possibly not complete. Is 12:35 correct both teams won their age/class of the tournament? If so congratulations. Looks like MA's 12's went 1-1-1 at NSC (playing 13). Not a bad showing for them at all.
MA's 12's Beat Edina 1-0, tied North Metro 0-0, and lost to Dakota Rev 3-1. All three were competitive games with one of the Dakota Rev goals being an own goal.
SSM 18s won the MRL First Div this past weekend, there should be 3 or 4 MN teams in this coming Spring Premiership Division, maybe more home or close games then MN traveling for a change.
It is really academic for the U16 and older teams as all the tournaments are showcase tournaments in which no playoffs are held. U15 and below I think you need to wait and see which flight they are in before making predictions.
U11 Hard to tell teams have not played eacother much but winner should come out of the west or south, my guess Burnsville 3-4 teams can win the U12 REV should win the U13
DR proved they are the class of the U-13's at NSF last weekend by beating some of the best teams in the state. Can EDP beat them? Can EDP beat Tonka who tied them a month ago to even get to DR? Can DR even get past CG. With four of the what might be considered top eight or ten teams in Rochester, we may get a view of which of these teams could be State Cup contenders.
4:07 I would like some details also, The web site for the tournament's standings page is confusing It looks like some teams played 2 games some 3 games? Someone must have been there who can fill in the details, did it rain so things were shortened?
Arsenal FC is looking to build a superclub based off one team and by plopping down in the weakest competitive district. They may try to hang on to their top talent for one more year, but when MTA has US Soccer Dev Academy top players will seek the pro club out. Matter of time on the boys side.
Will The MTA Blue team play in MYSA this year? They are a very strong team, I imagine playing MYSA would be a waste of their time. They are clearly the top team right now and have earned the right to be called so based on their State Cup win last year.
5-0 vs REV would be unlikely however.
Looks like sopmeone wants to get the REV fans stirred up, Don't bite.
The REV team is not as deep as the MTA team and the coach gives everyobody atleast 50% playing time in all games and if they are up by 3 goals the players starts playing different positions. However this will change come State Cup. With that say MTA is still the team to beat. This weekend and last weekends results should give a good idea of who the teams are that will challange MTA, next spring if they put in the work over the winter.
I have watched the REV team play and if the MTA team is better by a 5-0 margin, and who knows maybe they are, they should not only win the State Cup, but should also be the favorite to win the region. The good news is come State Cup the better team will be determined on the FIELD, not on some blog.
Good Luck to both teams.
Lets not forget about Cottage Grove, Edina, North Metro, Eden Prairie, Tonka, Woodbury, White Bear, and any other team who focuses in on a solid winter training program. To assume this is a two horse race is short sited. This is soccer, who hasn't seen "that game" where the dominant team doesn't end up on top after the final whistle blows.
Agree with 9:26 especially EP, Edina and Tonka should be mentioned in the mix and why not the MTA white team or the u12 blue for that matter. No idea what teams like WBL and North Metro will do over the winter pretty sure all the other teams will train 2-3 times a week through the winter if not it will be a two horse raise
Anyone know of any other U-12's playing U-13 this spring? How about the Prior Lake girls or the Wayzata girls. Both very good teams at U-11 obviously depth is the key in a succesful transition to U-13. The MTA girls (U-12) are very skilled their issue will be leg strength and the ability to handle the physical play against the strongest teams, One year at this age can be a significant difference in the physical development of kids. The current MTA u-12's will have a more difficult time competing for State Cup (in my opinion) because the age group at U-13 is much stronger this year than it was last year. Not only the top teams but also the depth of teams who could be in the mix. I believe as others have mentioned the current favorites appear to be REV and MTA, also agree Edina, EP and CG could compete. (along with the MTA 12's) Don't believe the white team will be in the mix, I think the MTA 12's are better than the white team.
MTA 12 beat Edica last weekend tied North metro and lost to REV. So they are doing fine and will only get better/more competetive as they get a chance to play on the bif field through the winter and get used to the more physical play
Agree that the current U13 age bracket is much stronger than last year with much more depth. The MTA U12's and PL U12's will be very competitive but there is still a gap between the younger teams and the older teams (both size and ability). Looking back a few years even MA's team that won regionals (currently U15's) only won one pool game when they were U12's and played up as U13's at State Cup.
11:04 Not to bum you out but Edina was missing many of their girls for hockey tryouts the Saturday of NSC. I agree the MTA 12's are very skilled, it is just a big order for them to play up to the level of play at U-13 this upcoming year. It was much easier last year when the REV girls and the Bangu U-12 blue team played up to 13.
Hey, parents we have 6 months to go before State Cup, you might want to pace yourselves on here. Let's see, my dd's team is the best, but I'll try to out-excuse the other OOC parents on here. Get a grip, take your kid to training be committed to the sport and most of all let them play the game without the constant pressure.
Can it hurt playing up - no. Is there anything to prove it helps - the only thing that might come to mind is if the team is playing against superior competition (not just older - but better).
Dakota Rev dominated at U13 in Rochester. This is a team to watch in the future. Other than MTE 13's, looks like everyone like CTG, WBL, NM, EDP, PSA, TNK and Edina will be chasing these two teams in next years U-13 State Cup.
9:37 There isn't another location with enough fields to accomodate all the teams. MYSA will need to use multiple sites if they want tournament completed in similar time frame.
Why wouldn't MYSA let the top seeded teams host the pool play , then as the single elimination part of the tournament starts they could find any number of locations to host because this would remove the need for huge amounts of fields, yet all of the most serious games would be played on a "neutral" field.
Being from Lakeville, I like the idea of not having the pool play in Blaine. It is a huge hassle to have to get up there. I like the idea of having a chance to earn the right to play at home for this part of the Tournament, or at least have a designated location that might be closer than always having to go to the northern most part of the Metro area.
Multiple sites will work just fine for the state tournament, possibly even better. NSC has a history of using tiny fields particularly at the young ages. Either way it will be fine. Also, it spreads the tournament around for different communities to host which is a positive.
not until HS ends and teams move indoors as daylight ends so early this time of year. first big tournament might be CASL in early Dec for some of the older teams.
Shattuck 18Gs played MRL First Div and it looks like they will be looking at a promotion to the Premier level in the Spring. They won the division. If this is the case, then MN will have anywhere from 3-4 teams in the Premier Div, which means hopefully, more home games...They are also scheduled to attend CASL and the college cup final four.
U16s didn't fare so well. Won't bore you with it here. They were "in" most of the games....fairly significant head injury sidelined a starter which caused significant position shifting. Everything should be back to normal around CASL time.
There are some bright spots. A little over half of the team are U16, with the rest ranging from U13 to U15.
Give DRev some credit for seeking out some scrimmaging challenges. If this is the team that went from C1 as U14 upto U15 Premier then on paper they should have their hands full with the SSM U16's.
I wanted to add, there were 4 SSM 16s that were called up for duty on the 18s during a MRL weekend. They all played well. We were all glad that some of the younger players were able to play up with the 18s and get some playing time against older competition.
It will go back and forth...It will not be a blow out by any means..But who cares anyway, its a game, and all these players need games. Good luck thou..
It's interesting to see how all the clubs are now doing what Bangu started several years ago with winter training, scrimmages and tournaments. Even clubs like Dakota Rev are taking this course. They certainly accelerated the level of play and development here in Minnesota. All the clubs are now trying to do the same things in an effort to stay competitive. It's been great for all the players to spur on progress and development.
Maybe the difference is that more and more clubs are driven by soccer people and not community volunteers. Bangu did not do anything different compared to what has been done in the rest of the world for decades. As a matter of fact MN teams practice a lot less than youth teams in Europe.
What they did do was force people to wake up and provide players what they want.
REV is just one of many clubs that have decided to compete vs just hand over their players wich used to be the case. As a result they have more than doubled in size over the last three years and have many compettetive teams especially from U15 and down (14 is an exception that was the last group lost to what used to be Bangu before the current director of player development took over)
Agree with previous poster this will in the long run only help develop MN soccer since competition is what forces player and clubs to get better.
THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY GOOD SOCCER PEOPLE TO GO AROUND. TOP COACHES FOR TOP PLAYERS. MTA-NSC WILL BE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE ELITE IN ONE PLACE NOW. 7 DAY A WEEK PRACTICES FOR THOSE WHO WHO DEMAND MORE. NEW TURF INSIDE. PLENTY OF FIELDS. THERE WILL BE ENOUGH MTA TEAMS TO ONLY HAVE TO PLAY EACH OTHER & WON'T HAVE TO STOOP TO MYSA-CC STANDARDS AGAIN!
I am confident it is in the best interest of any child to play 7 days a week, especially since it is on NEW TURF, I'm sorry was I YELLING, Turn off the Caps and grow up.
BTW, Congrats to Dakota Rev on their growth and success, they do seem to have competitive teams at almost every age especially on the girls side.
I think 1:23AM is taking the piss and having a good laugh at all the haters. Who would want to go to a club where they all played their own teams? Why would a club even want that? Who in their right mind would send a kid to soccer in Blaine 7 days a week? No one I know.
Clubs like Dakota Rev will have success at the younger age groups because of numbers, a home facility, and absolutely nothing else going on in Eagan, Farmington, Apple Valley, or Inver Grove. Like the former Bangu club they also have a few quality coaches focused on the girls side of things and this has translated into competitive teams when you put everything together. However, their south east metro location will not draw in top talent from other districts and eventually their top players will move to a more centralized team at the older age groups.
3:34 Yea, Your right a nice centralized location like Blaine.?.? MTA will need to find a true centralized location to have any chance of competing for the top players in the south Metro.
Bangu/MTA will continue to play home games in Bloomington as well as other metro area locations. NSC will be just another new site for them until the new Thunder stadium and playing fields are built in St. Paul. MTA has indoor training locations at Holy Angels, Augsburg, Rosemount and now also at NSC.
If your kid isn't good enough to play for a MTA top club they are wasting their time. Try another sport and if that doesn't work get em a library card.
I'd rather have my premier soccer player / regional ODP player quit soccer than play for MTA again. You're right, I'd have them play another sport before playing for MTA.
THAT'S FOR TUNE-UPS....WHAT WITH MRL, SUPER-Y, PREMIER & MAJOR OUT OF STATE TOURNAMENTS,,, BESIDES OUR 13s WILL BE BETTER THAN YOUR 15s! DRIVING DOESN'T MATTER,THEY CAN READ ON THE WAY. IT'S ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY FINALLY RAISED THE BAR ABOVE KNEE LEVEL. BIG TIME SOCCER HAS BEEN HERE FO 30 YEARS NOW: KICKS. THERE ARE PLENTY OF CLASSES AND LICENSING UPGRADES FOR CC PEOPLE, LET'S SAY YOU GOT 3 KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO PLAY SOCCER. BE A (BETTER) COACH OR REFEREE. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. DON'T BE IGNORANT. WINNING DOESN'T MATTER,,,PARTICIPATION DOES!!!!!!!!!
Why do people always think that top talent will move? You do not have to be on what is the best team on paper to continue to develop as long as you and your team mates can play with the best in the state and surounding states and are competetetive. Ultimately it comes down to how much a team want to train.
Thing is at this point we only have one team per age group that fits that description, if that. Whether talent moves depends on their goals. Different kids look for different things and that is OK.
I'd rather have my premier soccer player / regional ODP player quit soccer than play for MTA again. You're right, I'd have them play another sport before playing for MTA.
Hey Regional Parent..This has got to be the most selfish thing Iv seen on this thread..Its all nice and dandy that your player is a regional ODP player, FOR NOW! The hard part is, staying on the Regional ODP team. I, for the sake of your player, hope she gets the BEST coaching for the next few yrs until she gets to College. It sounds like YOU have a ax to grind with a coach of the club. Why dont you listen to your player FIRST before over micromanaging her career. If your crying now about club soccer, then what are you going to do when she goes off to college and she doesnt have things handed to her on a silver platter, you gonna QUIT and never play for that school again as well?? GROW UP!! Or maybe your one of those Mommies and Daddies that sit on the sideline and TRY to coach and screams and yells because your a certitified soccer parent that has all the answers.
You know, MN has a few players on a Regional ODP team, that kind of puts pressure on the clubs back at home. Now, its all up to the Clubs to keep the players on the Regional ODP team. Guess what, 1/2will not make it in 2 yrs. If you look at other Regional teams, every year about 6-7 NEW players are put on the Regional team and 6-7 players are cut, or demoted to the Pool team and never get called into camp again. If you want your player to stay with the Regional team, then she is going to have to get the best coaching, and try to play against some of the best competition to get better instead of status-quo.
REV almost disbanded completely 3 years ago, they have responded with some pretty decent younger girls teams, but still not one of the top clubs in the state, Valley on the boys side could be considered, they have pretty consistently had premier teams in every other age group or so, 14, 17, and 19 this upcoming season and before that guys that would be 21 and 23 now, Lakeville club has been pretty good as well boys and girls, but better and more depth on the boys side
All the above clubs are good. Unfortunately for many of the ones listed above they only draw from their community. Yes I know Woodbury has the Inferno but with the changing of the landscape and the perception out there, community clubs will have an extremely hard time competing with the Thunders, St. Croix, and Dakota Revs out there. Once the inferno are done I would be very surprised to see a community club win State Cup again. I'm not saying this is good or bad just my opinion. With that being said everyone loves the underdog story.
I don't get why people think that REV is this superior private club, it is a community club just like valley, burnsville, lakeville, they are the old rosemount club and they serve rosemount and eastview kids and if you look at their teams other than a select few, same as valley, burnsville, lakeville, they are a community club and will never be at the same level as MTA, st. croix, or blackhawks
Blackhawks are yesterdays news. They don't have any competitive girls teams and boys teams are on decline also. St. Croix club has numbers but very few quality girls teams.
MTA has a few very good coaches but a lot of them are average at best. There are many very good coaches not with MTA and that is where some players (and parents) choose to stay and they will do just fine. It's garbage to say that a player won't do well in college if they don't play for MTA. Pure propaganda for those who wish to listen to it.
3:08 WRONG. Rev never was close to disbanding. They did attempt to merge with Valley United being they both serve predominantly the same community, It should have happenned, but didn't. I think they still should find a way to do this but doubt REV would have much interest now that they seem to be rolling with their winter training programs and successful younger teams (u-15 and under) Valley does have very good older teams (boys side) but isn't replacing them with strong younger teams, those kids are moving to Rev because of the more complete program( winter training,Captive summer camps, and an emphasis on quality paid coaching. ) Valleys history is so strong but they continually be challenged to compete against a stronger club that serves the same geography.
Rev does primarily serve the communities of R osemount E agan and Apple V alley but does welcome kids from neighboring communities.
I think Burnsvile has done a better job than the other south metro clubs as they too have opened their borders to kids outside Burnsville. They don't have the "inhouse training" like MTA, Rev, Blackhawks, and a few others. They "rent" their training program from Coerver.
The St Croix teams that have won State Cups titles or were finalists have had many players from outside of the Stillwater area on those teams. I know for a fact many of the elite girl's teams had players from all over the metro area, very similar to Bangu and the Woodbury girls team that has won State Cup.
It is virtually impossible to win a State Cup at U-15 or above without having a roster of recruits from outside a CC. Going forward, it will become more and more difficult to win a State Cup at even U-13 without having "outside" players.
They are all " soccer clubs". MTA uses "Community Club" like it's something evil when recruiting. Most clubs now have players from all areas, not just drawing from their geographical location. Trying to create some heirarchy with labeling is nonesense anymore.
Why would REV want to merge with valley, accept for more fields? If any mergers should occur in the south it should be REV, Lakeville and Eagan making one club.
in the long run REV being a feeder program to Thunder could benefit both parties. In order for that to have a chance to happen Thunder would need to only have one team at 13 and above. If they did that it is very posisble that other clubs would be more interested as well.
The community club thing is long gone, players will go and play where they want to and clubs will take players that are interested in their club. The last thing a club ask is where a player live.
I'll do a little research throughout the day.....first one: St Paul Blackhawks Soccer Club-- "Blackhawks works with urban organizations to draw in new players and fully represent the diverse community in which we reside. Blackhawks provides scholarships and encourages team fundraising to ensure its programs are accessible to all St. Paul youth."
Coon Rapids Soccer: "Coon Rapids Soccer Association (CRSA) is a year round non-profit youth soccer club specifically serving Coon Rapids and several suburban communities including: Andover, Anoka, Blaine, Coon Rapids, Fridley and more."
Dakota REV Soccer Club: "DAKOTA REV SOCCER CLUB is a community-based, traveling soccer program open to all residents of District #196 and the surrounding communities within Dakota County. "REV" is an acronym for Rosemount, Eagan, Apple Valley."
Eagan Traveling Soccer: "The Eagan Traveling Soccer program exists to serve the needs and interests of its present and future soccer players by providing multiple levels of competition for boys and girls in the Eagan area. Our program currently meets the needs of approximately 700 participants ages 9-19."
Edina (from By-Laws): "Section 2.2 Specific Purposes. The specific purposes of this corporation shall be: To promote, coordinate, adminstrate, and further of players, and families in Edina who wish to participate in traveling soccer."
There are five in the last 10 minutes I could find that specifically address the community they serve. Now, if they are practicing this is another story. My point is, that the "Community Club" does exist (atleast in documentation)....to try and argue otherwise is silly.
Mine is not on the U18 team, she is a U16. She will not be playing, as she is the one I described in an earlier post as having a fairly significant head injury. She is on the road to recovery, and should be playing by CASL.
I may be there this weekend, but not sure. If I come up, I'll grab you and say hi. I love to meett people from the blogs...atleast that way people can see that I am not an evil demon with horns!
Also, to be clear....I am not saying there is anything wrong with CCs. I have said it before, my daughter was given the opportunity to play with the Woodbury Springbok team last spring/summer. Best time she has ever had in soccer. Great people, great coaches. Just not the environment she would choose to train in year round. Great diversion, but she is looking for a different level of training and commitment from teammates. Soccer is all that is important to her. She'd like to be with like minded players.
The beauty of what Minnesota has going for it is that there are mulitple soccer opportunities in your State. A kid can find whatever situation fits thier needs/wants.
The ugly part of what Minnesota has is......US. The parents. We are arguing about what is the best opportunity/layout of a club. The elephant in the room is that ALL of us are correct-- for our child's situation. The faster we can all recognize that, the faster we can all agree to disagree. But, don't lose sight that those in Minnesota can have this discussion. Where we live, in Iowa, it is a soccer desert. There are no viable options for differing "levels". Think of it as having 15 MTAs in your State with no real good opportunities for anything else.
Funny thing is....soccer players have it good in Minnesota and no one realizes it! Have an open mind, no one club is "evil" and out to screw ayone over (other than possibly competing clubs). Keep an open mind and find the right level/club for YOUR kid.
Everyone really CAN win here, if we just open our minds.
She'll be alright. Just have to take the return to play a little slow. If anyone is interested, we have a pretty good article that is the "latest, greatest" regarding the accepted method of return to play following concussion/multiple concussions. Got it from a Neurology speciialist at Mayo a couple weeks ago.
Probably good info to have, whether you are a coach or parent. If so, send me an email at pm3angels@mchsi.com. How's that for not hiding behind an anon screen name?
Nice posts SSMSC. Problem is that CCs believe they can compete nationally at all age groups and are up in arms about losing their best players to another organization. Not about the kids at all, all about the club. THAT is what is wrong with MN soccer.
1:16 This "ignorant hater" has heard first hand more times than I care to count, the snide use of the term CC by Bangu coaches, parents, and directors. I used to have a player in that club and know of the truth here.
11:30 - you had a player in the club? Now you spout hate? Wonder why. Let me guess, you decided to leave all on your own. Why are you even talking about Bangu? Your post above said MTA was bashing CCs. Looks like you're living in the past on a number of fronts. Don't think all the non-Bangu people now involved with MTA think of themselves as Bangu. Just a hunch.
Word among the parents is a fair number of white team players are looking to go elsewhere too. I assume in the future players and parents will be more assertive in demanding a placement after tryouts rather than the pooling which is done to keep them captive.
1225- Many(not all) mta people play the cc card to belittle any mn soccer organization not related to mta, but it is somehow not ok for people to make that observation? give me a break.
If you don't believe that this card is played, look at the history of comments on this blog, look at r2r, look at bangu site, or listen to what your own leadership (i.e. ma) says...facts are facts, quit acting like your sh#t doesn't stink!
Stop trying to portray your club as a victim...your club could have chosen to take the high road when ma got invloved yrs ago, but the mta powers that be chose an alternate marketing route..they chose to be publicly critical of anything not mta. Whether you like it or not non-mta folks resent you, not because you are the most dominant and successful soccer club in mn, but because of the way you treat others; the golden rule means nothing to the people who run your club. if you treat people like sh#t, they will treat you like sh#t---its human nature, not many people are willing to turn the other cheek. The truth is that this is your repuation in the mn soccer community.
I know your going to say, oh their jsut jealous. But you'd be wrong. As an example, SSM has similar goals and aspirations in terms of achieving success, but they carry themselves much differently. They treat people with respect--talk to their coaches, players, or look at comments from ssm affiiliates on this blog...They are for the advancement of soccer, not belittling others...Its no surprise that the only people who have consistently talked negatively about their involvement in mn state cup are those from mta. These negative comments pertaining to ssm, if viewed in their proper context, are clearly motivated by a underlying fear of losing and not by what ssm represent.
MTA always wants to have their cake and eat it too. This is a two-way street..MTA is not respected or treated with respect because they respect no one.
Don't think 1:31 speaks for all of us. MTA and MTA folks treat our club, players and coaches with respect. Maybe because we choose to have a open dialog with them. To be hung up on how they use the word cc is pretty short sighted.
131, I don't have a kid in MTA but they don't need your respect. What is your club going to do? Boycott the Thunder? Tell your club members to do so? The Thunder attendance and group sales went up this year, even after the MTA announcement. The fact is most people don't care about MTA. Only the club officials who believe their club can be competitive at the highest levels.
You don't have a problem with SSM because you don't see them as a threat.
Are you saying that MA coming in brought all this negativity? Or are you saying that he was bringing an opportunity to take the high road? I've read through r2r. Most of the stuff he has done has been god for interested players and positive for MN soccer. He was bitter about the Woodbury stuff in the beginning right or wrong, but the program and the message have evolved.
There are many a$$holes in MTA. There are many such in other clubs. It's people like you that judge MTA through actions of the few and people on the other side of the battle lines do the same for CCs based on individuals like you. Never ending, repetitive, and fairly sickening on all accounts and on both sides.
My last post didn't show up. I wanted to commend everyone on the progress that was made today. It took almost 50 minutes for a negative post after mine. Heck, there were actually 4 non-negative posts made prior to the first "I hate you" today!
My picture is of an igloo. While I am not an official "Igloo person" (you have to have a daughter on the U18 SSM team for this), I like to think of myself as an honorary little brother. Maybe 10's dad can elaborate?
Why do any of you think of SSM as a "threat"? And if you do, why do you? Because you feel your team may get beaten by them? I think I speak for many of the SSM parents who welcome this type of "threat" because playing good competition is how your player gets better.
Yes. There IS room for another residential program in MN. There aren't many in the US, and the model seems to work. I am all for options. I kind of like going to the liquor store and being able to choose a beer from many different labels. Gives me power as a consumer, why don't people see this?
6:14- 4:29 said "dropping out", not "dropping off". I assume that he/she meant that they aren't participating in Premier league in the Spring as they will focus on MRL? Is this the case or no, 4:29?
EP and WH are dropping out but holding their spot until the last day to limit the promotion the newly promoted Prem team will be able to do. Real nice.
ssmsc nobody thinks of SSM as a threat. The poster was referring to the fact that many CC's do think of MTA as a threat, and this contributes to the animosity.
Good for the kids to get a brake and than get back to trying to play real soccer, where you are actually allowed to play the ball backwards and sideways. Know high school is agreat experience for many but that is about it.
I see CASL will be having Red Bull Flights from U15-U17. Once again this means all the other flights will start at second rate and go down from there. Why do these so called showcase tournaments have to be held as sidebars to the Red Bull games? The few other elite level teams at these tournaments get stuck playing low level competition, not what they travel there to do, which is play against the best. Have the Red Bull play on weekends of their own.
News from on high: MTA is apparently struggling to pay their coaches and trainers and I have talked with several who had enough and just went back to their original clubs. I heard the Thunder are having similar issues. I think it's beautiful that they have time to blog but not time to write checks. Quality, integrity, and customer service: The bangu and now MTA mantra!
SSM: I bet your colleagues (if you're even from there) are proud to have you speaking for them. I assume the south campus at SSM is a cornfield in Iowa. Definitely qualifies you to spout off about MN soccer. Oink.
9:35- What collegues? I don't work for the school, I have a player there. The SouthCampus is indeed near a cornfield, and I refuse to take your bait. Take a moniker or identify yourself and I'll hold a conversation with you. Otherwise, you are just another coward hiding behind a screen trying to stir a pot.
What exactly was it that I said that raised your dander? I am curious to see which part you took exception to, as I didn't really say anything negative about anyone/anything?
Hear my side of what? I just think it is kind of interesting that more local teams are opting out of MYSA at the premier level and moving to other options. For some teams this is the best possible move if they want to train/play against better players.
I'm everywhere. Unfortunately, so are you. Coward? Strong words from south of the border! For the record, SSM is near a corn field. Iowa is a corn field. You're right, you resisted the bait really well (!?). Have a nice day. I know I will now.
11:59- You're right, coward is strong word. Why don't you want to atleast identify yourself with a totally anonymous moniker, just so people can keep your comments straight? It is no secret who I am. Heck, I even gave my personal email address just a few posts ago. I have been more than forthcoming as to my identity, and everyone who frequents this board knows who I am. This keeps me from just spouting off evil hate, because I can't hide from my comments. Just wish others would take the same accountability for what they post.
If you were to read the previous posts, you would see that I probably won't be South of the border this weekend. Ball is in your court now.
All I want to know is what I said to get you riled up? I simply pointed out that MN has many more options for various level of players than most States. I don't think that takes a long-time resident to recognize that? But, your provincial mentality would like to have someone who isn't eligible to vote for Al Franken banned from this blog.
I would like to petition the blog owner AGAIN to require that people take monikers to post. It is a simple checkbox, but is well worth the time as it will decrease the amount of non-constructive posts as people will be accountable for what they write (atleast to some degree).
BTW, even though I live in Iowa I still have a player with a Minnesota Youth Soccer players card. Just like you. The things that effect your player in MN, effect mine also. Where I live has little to no relevance to this conversation.
SSM-South Campus can also be thought of, the South Campus on Shattuck-St Mary's campus, its the underclassman's dorm and classes.
And for those that care, our U17 Natl Team is playing the first World Cup game today, 6pm, you can follow it via matchtracker www.fifa.com...to see some video feeds from other games held yesterday you can click the following... http://www.fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/video/videolist.html
10s Dad aka A Igloo Parent.
Also, a top recruit from "Iowa" just committed to your Univ of Minnesota today. She is a 2010, Mackenzie Misel from the WDMSC.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 2440 Newer› Newest»9:19- Typically you only play 2 games per wekend in MRL. The only time I have seen more than that is if there is a make-up.
2:07-
Didn't the Wayzata (now U16s) also play in MRL last season?
SSMSouthCampus
ssmsc in many MRL divisions there are 10 teams. 3 games per weekend is the norm unless there are multiple teams from your state (which you can schedule at any time).
17 boys should be a very competitive league Valley, St. Croix, Blackhawks, Westside could all win the league, Arsenal and PSA should be decently competitive, depending on who Arsenal still has, Lakeville will be the whipping boy of the league
All depends on who retained players,lost players and picked up players.
Westside will probably surprise as they seem to get better every year.
4:22-
Out of 27 MRL Divisions, there are 6 that I could find with more than 8 teams in a Division. It is about one Division per age group. Maybe Fall is different than Spring, but I don't see a big issue here?
Bottom line is that the competition is very good, and in my opinion, if there are more than two games per weekend...all the better. It is better justification for taking a team a couple States away?
SSMSouthCampus
I don't think you can call MRL first division good competition, particularly now that there are commonly 4 leagues within it. East, West, Red, Blue and on and on.
call it what you want..The Shattuck 18s had a huge weekend with some help from the 16s..There were a few key players from the 18s that were on their official visits this weekend and the 16s stepped in big time. Good Job girls!!
I couldn't disagree with you more 9:34. It appears you may be just trying to take a shot at Shattuck but MRL First Division from top to bottom has quality teams. Sure the top teams from the region are in the Premier Division but First Division is made up of the teams just a step behind. The league has gained more popularity and credibility as quality teams throughout the region move towards First Division in an effort to find consistent challenging competition.
I don't see 934 as taking a shot at SSM at all, many clubs send teams to MRL First Division. MRL first division is not strong competition anymore. MRL is already split by season, some states fall, some in spring. Then you throw in 3-4 leagues at first division and you end up with teams whose standing in the region could be anywhere from #20-#80 or worse. It has become much to diluted. You would be much better served traveling to a couple of invitational tournaments if you have a strong team. MRL first division is useful as a stepping stone to Premier for a few teams but otherwise it is not worth it IMO.
So what your saying is, MRL First Division isnt as good as MN Leagues? MMMMMMMMMM? There must be some really great MN teams then huh??
The Premier reference is to MRL Premier not MYSA Premier, I believe. After being involved with a team that has competed in First Division the competition was very good. I felt the travel and cost was very reasonable as the events were within driving distance. I guess each team needs to decide what is best for them but it was a positive experience for this team.
I would say that the competition is pretty good when you have the top two/three teams from each R2 State playing. If the top two or three teams are good enough to play in the MRL Premier Division, then maybe it is the top three or four teams a State has to offer. In my humble opinion, #4 in Illinois or Ohio South is much more competitive than what can be found in MN this Fall. Would you not agree?
SSMSouthCampus
I guess if people want to convince themselves that MRL First division is "very good" competition that is their decision. To each his own.
10:15 then what is very good competition?
There are only a handful of tournaments each year that attract the top teams from all over the country. Even if your the State Cup Champion from Minnesota your not guaranteed entry, let alone the top flight. The competition of MRL First Division would be similar to (most of) the lower flights at those same tournaments. Keep the comments in context, travel, cost, and competition are all very good and reasonable.
There are only 10 teams in MRL Premier, all of which fall into the top 15 teams from the region. The First Division teams probably rank anywhere from 15 to 75 in the region. How much of a difference is there in the level of play from team 25 to 75? If your realistic, not much, maybe one or two great players or increased depth.
IMO, as SSMSC points out the level of play is much better than you'll find here in Minnesota.
And due to MRL, there isnt that many great fall tournaments. Best of the Midwest (which was held 2 weeks ago) has been destroyed by MRL. Gold Cup is one of the better tournys now, but its held in the beginning of the fall season in Ctown. FCMil, Eclipse are in all brackets.
and the point anon 1:56?
Good luck in Chicago tourney this weekend BTA & Elite girls - and anyone else that may be traveling. Let's be safe out there.
Good luck to the Thunder teams any anyone else who may head out of state. Looks like the NSC cup will be pretty boring almost only MN teams. MA's group against REV U13 should be interesting
Why are the BTA & Elite girls going to Chicago? Is the tournament more advanced than NSC ? What Tournament is it? Sorry for my ignorance, it is fun to track the MN teams and some of the Tournaments do a pretty good job of keeping the web scoring up to date, others not so good.
The Tounament is the Nike Cup, sponsored by the Chicago Sockers.
Received this from the fargo pres. It appears that the youth council does not know what the mysa leadership (bob/candace) is doing.
"To Whom It May Concern
October 8, 2008
On August 14, 2008, the USSF found that both MYSA and NDYSA violated multiple USSF bylaws and awarded my club relief. The details are contained in the attachments. MYSA did not appeal but NDYSA did appeal. The NDYSA appeal was denied by the USSF Board of Directors in late September.
I have yet to see this crucial decision communicated to the membership of either MYSA or NDYSA. Regardless of the embarrassment, it is important information as you enter in to AGMs, annual meetings, etc. I believe certains sections of the MYSA and NDYSA bylaws, policies and rules are in violation of the USSF bylaws and policies. I would be happy to share that information with anyone interested. Most of it has to do with extraterritorial membership.
Of particular concern is the continuing bad faith efforts by certain MYSA and NDYSA executives to comply (or not) with the USSF ruling. In 2000, the RIYSA was dissolved and new leadership put in place after the second year of USSF bylaw violations. The RIYSA decision is attached to this email. This is important because the Fargo Soccer Club is contemplating a second USSF grievance against both MYSA and NDYSA. I believe it is of utmost importance to hold certain leaders within these organizations accountable - now.
The Fargo Soccer Club is a small club based in Fargo, ND which is seeking to join the MYSA NW league and to have its recreational players join the tri-city league in Fargo, Moorhead and West Fargo. We are also seeking affiliation with NDYSA for our competitive teams."
This from the NSCF this afternoon. Nice leadership in MYSA at the moment.
National Sports Center Foundation
Response to MYSA Memo of 10-07-08
From Steve Olson, COO
October 10, 2008
MYSA FAILURE TO RESPOND
We have formally requested in writing and by phone that we meet to resolve the issues. To date, the NSC has received no response. Moreover, we were not included in the recent MYSA e-mail to club presidents and received the document only through the forwarding of many concerned recipients.
USA CUP MUST SET DATES YEARS IN ADVANCE
The USA Cup is a major sporting event. Dates must be set years in advance of the event to ensure its success. Many USA Cup contracts for hotels, dormitories, foreign travel agents, support services, city services, county services, and the dates of the PGA golf event in Blaine are multi-year contracts. The NSC is not being "unilateral" but, instead, our market conditions require that we be organized and set dates on a multi-year basis as a best business practice.
The MYSA practice of setting its dates ten to twelve months in advance of the event creates a near impossible situation. The dates of the 2009 MYSA State Tournament and the format of that tournament will be voted on by the membership at the AGM on November 1, 2008. That occurs years and months after USA Cup business contracts and sanctioning are in place. The NSC cannot delay the sanctioning process and contracts of the USA Cup by nine to twelve months and, consequently, USA Cup dates are always set prior to MYSA. It is not a unilateral decision on the part of the NSC, but a necessity to sustain the event and it significant economic impact to the State of Minnesota.
THE RECENT AGREEMENT
MYSA benefited from the recent agreement but did not fulfill its part of the deal. To clarify:
The MYSA/NSC agreement stipulated the NSC would discount its rental rates for all MYSA events in exchange for the MYSA to avoid scheduling on top of the USA Cup. The NSC did its part, and the MYSA received over $200,000 in reduced rental fees through the length of the agreement, 2004-2008. This savings directly benefited the MYSA membership.
How the MYSA did not do its part:
The agreement called for MYSA to set a three year calendar so both parties could cooperate on dates. This did not happen.
The agreement called for both parties to be committed to resolve scheduling conflicts. The MYSA leadership did not demonstrate any measurable effort to resolve scheduling conflicts. Instead they abdicated the duty and assigned it to the DOC. District Directors were left to deal with it on their own with little or no support or direction from MYSA leadership.
MYSA representatives never requested to meet with the NSC regarding scheduling conflicts. It has always been the reverse, with the NSC initiating multiple meetings. For example, the NSC requested to attend the DOC meeting where the date for the Districts were set for 2008. The NSC request to attend was not granted
REQUEST FOR MEETING
We want to restate our strong desire to meet and form a new agreement. We believe a new cooperation is in the best interests of players, coaches, referee and the economy of Minnesota.
How hard could it really be to solve?
SAD
The MTA political machine is slyly rolling,I think NSC/MTA are tied,especially financially.
This is the very ugly side of MTA,a sly bunch.
Right on, hater.
The NSC / MYSA disagreement doesn't make sense unless some new "issue" has developed.
We've had USA Cup / Districts conflicts for as long as I can remember.
Something else must be going on here.
I'm with 5:41, MTA might be involved.
Then again, the NSC may simply have outgrown it's need / desire to cater only to soccer.
Today, the stadium was filled with lacrosse fans watching West Point vs Notre Dame.
MTA has nothing to do with the NSCF and MYSA disagreement. The NSCF has been trying to resolve the conflict of USA Cup and Districts for years and MYSA is not willing to even discuss a possible solution. Again, MYSA is showing its true colors and looking out for themselves and not MN youth soccer players.
how do you know?
7:46 I know people in both organizations and this is simply not the case.
like you would say"yes,that is true"
I have nothing to gain by lying. By the sound of it, it doesn't matter what I tell you. You are going to believe what you're going to believe. I'm not going to win this argument either way. My opinion only seems to matter if it is in concurrence with yours. Why do you think MTA is involved with this disagreement?
because NSC and MTA have strong ties,especially financially.MTA has a beef with MYSA,throw NSC into it to paint MYSA as the villians,in 5 years MTA can run the leagues too.
Lots of little coaches with mini taches!
NSC and MTA don't have strong ties financially. I know what you're getting at...but the Minnesota Thunder Pro Soccer Team is a spearate entity from MTA financially speaking, and they rent the facility like everyone else. The Minnesota Thunder Academy was just formed a few months ago. The NSCF is a non-profit that just operates the NSC facility. Stop blaming everything on the Minnesota Thunder and its new academy.
10:36, that's the problem. MYSA cannot separate the two. Tough to do so, don't you think? Though MTA is not to blame for the MYSA/NSC debacle as MYSA had made it clear prior to MTA and prior to the Thunder moving to NSC that one week/weekend of their district tournament in more important for Minnesota youth soccer than one week of the largest international youth tournaments in the world. Real shame I say. Another indication that the leadership in MYSA is absolutely clueless sometimes.
How do we oust MYSA decision makers we believe inept? AGM? Bring our own candidate and vote? Anyone know?
Lets just have MTA take over all aspects of soccer in Mn.,then everything will be ok.I dont think its right that they dont own the leagues too,if we are going to have a monopoly then MTA should rule all.
How did the MTA girls do this weekend ? I know at least a few played out of town in tournaments.
Check their website or blog for those who care, most of us don't.
With respect to the MYSA/NSC issue does anyone know what has changed to cause a conflict? It has worked in the past, which party wants the change?
10:19 I'm not with MTA but I wouldn't mind seeing how their teams are doing, just like any other team from MN playing in an out of state Tournament.
10:19
If you view this with an unbiased eye perhaps you can then become unlightend to how Minnesota teams are doing against higher level competition in other states. This should really have nothing to do with which club EP, Woodbury, Dakota REV ventures outside the borders.
If you have a team in your club that is traveling let us know. Your dislike for these kids is unhealthy.
Heard MTA 13's did well both Blue and White won, not sure about the younger once.
The NSC scores are updated.
I don't think there is an MTA website anymore. The old Wings one is for MTA West. Bangu's hasn't been updated since try-outs. RTR might have some info on those two teams 96 & 97.
The Nike cup web page is confusing,possibly not complete. Is 12:35 correct both teams won their age/class of the tournament?
If so congratulations.
Looks like MA's 12's went 1-1-1 at NSC (playing 13). Not a bad showing for them at all.
MA's 12's
Beat Edina 1-0, tied North Metro 0-0, and lost to Dakota Rev 3-1. All three were competitive games with one of the Dakota Rev goals being an own goal.
SSM 18s won the MRL First Div this past weekend, there should be 3 or 4 MN teams in this coming Spring Premiership Division, maybe more home or close games then MN traveling for a change.
Here are the teams that are traveling out of state for tournaments in the coming months.
I was at the CASL website and these are the MN teams that have been accepted:
U-16 Girls: SSM & EP
U-17 Girls: Woodbury Inferno
U-19 Girls: SSM
The Disney Soccer Showcase has:
U-15 Girls: MTA
U-16 Girls: MTA & EP
U-17 Girls: Woodbury Inferno
how come the MTA 18 girls arent doing much??
they are 18
Now that is a good one!!
MTA 18 Blue is playing a full schedule and is playing in Disney.
Anyone have predictions on how these teams will do out of state?
If I wasn't good enough to make MTA'S top club I'd probably try another sport and quit wasting my time.
It is really academic for the U16 and older teams as all the tournaments are showcase tournaments in which no playoffs are held. U15 and below I think you need to wait and see which flight they are in before making predictions.
2:40 That's the spirit...no one should live by.
Btw, There are playoffs in CASL for 16 and under and Disney also has playoffs for the older age groups.
Not much going on out there.
Harvest Fest this weekend, any predictions? Small sampling of teams in the C1 brackets, but anyone have any thoughts?
U11 Hard to tell teams have not played eacother much but winner should come out of the west or south, my guess Burnsville
3-4 teams can win the U12
REV should win the U13
DR proved they are the class of the U-13's at NSF last weekend by beating some of the best teams in the state. Can EDP beat them? Can EDP beat Tonka who tied them a month ago to even get to DR? Can DR even get past CG. With four of the what might be considered top eight or ten teams in Rochester, we may get a view of which of these teams could be State Cup contenders.
I heard the MTA U13s and U14s won the Nike tournament last weekend in Illinois.
Can anyone provide any more details?
4:07 I would like some details also, The web site for the tournament's standings page is confusing It looks like some teams played 2 games some 3 games?
Someone must have been there who can fill in the details, did it rain so things were shortened?
Almost every other team there was from IL. Disappointing.
Arsenal FC is looking to build a superclub based off one team and by plopping down in the weakest competitive district. They may try to hang on to their top talent for one more year, but when MTA has US Soccer Dev Academy top players will seek the pro club out. Matter of time on the boys side.
6:22 disappointing in what manner? Were you hoping for more Minnesota teams - like Iowa?
It appears they play against some good youth teams.
214, Rev's U13 are a good team but are not the top U13 team in State. MTA Blue would beat them 5-0.
Will The MTA Blue team play in MYSA this year? They are a very strong team, I imagine playing MYSA would be a waste of their time.
They are clearly the top team right now and have earned the right to be called so based on their State Cup win last year.
5-0 vs REV would be unlikely however.
Looks like sopmeone wants to get the REV fans stirred up, Don't bite.
The REV team is not as deep as the MTA team and the coach gives everyobody atleast 50% playing time in all games and if they are up by 3 goals the players starts playing different positions. However this will change come State Cup. With that say MTA is still the team to beat.
This weekend and last weekends results should give a good idea of who the teams are that will challange MTA, next spring if they put in the work over the winter.
I think the U13 MTA and Dakota Rev are an equal match at this point. I give the nod to the Rev coach over MTA which will make the difference.
I have watched the REV team play and if the MTA team is better by a 5-0 margin, and who knows maybe they are, they should not only win the State Cup, but should also be the favorite to win the region.
The good news is come State Cup the better team will be determined on the FIELD, not on some blog.
Good Luck to both teams.
Lets not forget about Cottage Grove, Edina, North Metro, Eden Prairie, Tonka, Woodbury, White Bear, and any other team who focuses in on a solid winter training program. To assume this is a two horse race is short sited. This is soccer, who hasn't seen "that game" where the dominant team doesn't end up on top after the final whistle blows.
Agree with 9:26 especially EP, Edina and Tonka should be mentioned in the mix and why not the MTA white team or the u12 blue for that matter. No idea what teams like WBL and North Metro will do over the winter pretty sure all the other teams will train 2-3 times a week through the winter if not it will be a two horse raise
Anyone know of any other U-12's playing U-13 this spring? How about the Prior Lake girls or the Wayzata girls. Both very good teams at U-11 obviously depth is the key in a succesful transition to U-13. The MTA girls (U-12) are very skilled their issue will be leg strength and the ability to handle the physical play against the strongest teams, One year at this age can be a significant difference in the physical development of kids.
The current MTA u-12's will have a more difficult time competing for State Cup (in my opinion) because the age group at U-13 is much stronger this year than it was last year. Not only the top teams but also the depth of teams who could be in the mix.
I believe as others have mentioned the current favorites appear to be REV and MTA, also agree Edina, EP and CG could compete. (along with the MTA 12's) Don't believe the white team will be in the mix, I think the MTA 12's are better than the white team.
I believe the teams to beat at State Cup will be MTA Blue U13, Dakota Rev U13, and MTA Blue U12 in that order.
have the U-12's from MTA played against any physical teams like Edina or Cottage grove yet? If so , How did they do?
MTA 12 beat Edica last weekend tied North metro and lost to REV. So they are doing fine and will only get better/more competetive as they get a chance to play on the bif field through the winter and get used to the more physical play
Agree that the current U13 age bracket is much stronger than last year with much more depth. The MTA U12's and PL U12's will be very competitive but there is still a gap between the younger teams and the older teams (both size and ability). Looking back a few years even MA's team that won regionals (currently U15's) only won one pool game when they were U12's and played up as U13's at State Cup.
11:04 Not to bum you out but Edina was missing many of their girls for hockey tryouts the Saturday of NSC. I agree the MTA 12's are very skilled, it is just a big order for them to play up to the level of play at U-13 this upcoming year. It was much easier last year when the REV girls and the Bangu U-12 blue team played up to 13.
U12's are a very physical and agressive team. The beat Edina 1-0, and have wins and loses over Cottage Grove over the last two years.
11:10 - Not to bum you out, but the MTA 12's were also missing players due to hockey tryouts.
Hey, parents we have 6 months to go before State Cup, you might want to pace yourselves on here. Let's see, my dd's team is the best, but I'll try to out-excuse the other OOC parents on here. Get a grip, take your kid to training be committed to the sport and most of all let them play the game without the constant pressure.
8:44:
You are so correct!
In the immortal words of Yogi Berra, "it's deja vu all over again". Just think what it would be like if State Cup started at U10 or U11.....
WOULD MN TEAMS WIN MORE OUT OF STATE IF NO PLAYERS PLAYED UP?
CAN MYSA DO WITHOUT NSC FIELDS?
Can it hurt playing up - no. Is there anything to prove it helps - the only thing that might come to mind is if the team is playing against superior competition (not just older - but better).
Any Harvest Fest results people want to brag about? Anyone care?
MYSA State Tournament will be a real circus without NSC fields.
Why will it be circus?
Dakota Rev dominated at U13 in Rochester. This is a team to watch in the future. Other than MTE 13's, looks like everyone like CTG, WBL, NM, EDP, PSA, TNK and Edina will be chasing these two teams in next years U-13 State Cup.
9:37
There isn't another location with enough fields to accomodate all the teams.
MYSA will need to use multiple sites if they want tournament completed in similar time frame.
Dakota Rev 13's will win State Cup. They are a dominant team and I don't see anyone catching them. They pounded my kid's team on the weekend.
Why wouldn't MYSA let the top seeded teams host the pool play , then as the single elimination part of the tournament starts they could find any number of locations to host because this would remove the need for huge amounts of fields, yet all of the most serious games would be played on a "neutral" field.
Why not get along with NSC and figure it out. Maybe we should put the kids in charge bet they could sort it out in about 2 minutes
Being from Lakeville, I like the idea of not having the pool play in Blaine. It is a huge hassle to have to get up there. I like the idea of having a chance to earn the right to play at home for this part of the Tournament, or at least have a designated location that might be closer than always having to go to the northern most part of the Metro area.
903, I'm glad your confident in your team, but MTA U13's will beat them by several goals.
Multiple sites will work just fine for the state tournament, possibly even better. NSC has a history of using tiny fields particularly at the young ages. Either way it will be fine. Also, it spreads the tournament around for different communities to host which is a positive.
Not much going on in the club soccer world, anyone got any news, ideas, suggestions? any good scrimmages scheduled?
Did any teams participate in fall MRL? That should be close to wrapping up.
not until HS ends and teams move indoors as daylight ends so early this time of year. first big tournament might be CASL in early Dec for some of the older teams.
Shattuck 18Gs played MRL First Div and it looks like they will be looking at a promotion to the Premier level in the Spring. They won the division. If this is the case, then MN will have anywhere from 3-4 teams in the Premier Div, which means hopefully, more home games...They are also scheduled to attend CASL and the college cup final four.
how did the u16 team Shattuck team do. What age are the players on that roster?
U16s didn't fare so well. Won't bore you with it here. They were "in" most of the games....fairly significant head injury sidelined a starter which caused significant position shifting. Everything should be back to normal around CASL time.
There are some bright spots. A little over half of the team are U16, with the rest ranging from U13 to U15.
SSMSouthCampus
Thank you for the update. Hope the injured players recovery goes well.
REV girls play them on Sunday hopefully we will be competetive.
What age Rev girls?
15 the game is next Sunday
Give DRev some credit for seeking out some scrimmaging challenges. If this is the team that went from C1 as U14 upto U15 Premier then on paper they should have their hands full with the SSM U16's.
I wanted to add, there were 4 SSM 16s that were called up for duty on the 18s during a MRL weekend. They all played well. We were all glad that some of the younger players were able to play up with the 18s and get some playing time against older competition.
Looks like REV will get a chance to work on their D =)
It will go back and forth...It will not be a blow out by any means..But who cares anyway, its a game, and all these players need games. Good luck thou..
It's interesting to see how all the clubs are now doing what Bangu started several years ago with winter training, scrimmages and tournaments. Even clubs like Dakota Rev are taking this course.
They certainly accelerated the level of play and development here in Minnesota.
All the clubs are now trying to do the same things in an effort to stay competitive.
It's been great for all the players to spur on progress and development.
Maybe the difference is that more and more clubs are driven by soccer people and not community volunteers. Bangu did not do anything different compared to what has been done in the rest of the world for decades. As a matter of fact MN teams practice a lot less than youth teams in Europe.
What they did do was force people to wake up and provide players what they want.
REV is just one of many clubs that have decided to compete vs just hand over their players wich used to be the case. As a result they have more than doubled in size over the last three years and have many compettetive teams especially from U15 and down (14 is an exception that was the last group lost to what used to be Bangu before the current director of player development took over)
Agree with previous poster this will in the long run only help develop MN soccer since competition is what forces player and clubs to get better.
THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY GOOD SOCCER PEOPLE TO GO AROUND. TOP COACHES FOR TOP PLAYERS. MTA-NSC WILL BE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE ELITE IN ONE PLACE NOW. 7 DAY A WEEK PRACTICES FOR THOSE WHO WHO DEMAND MORE. NEW TURF INSIDE. PLENTY OF FIELDS. THERE WILL BE ENOUGH MTA TEAMS TO ONLY HAVE TO PLAY EACH OTHER & WON'T HAVE TO STOOP TO MYSA-CC STANDARDS AGAIN!
1;23 AM Have fun playing each other all year.
I am confident it is in the best interest of any child to play 7 days a week, especially since it is on NEW TURF, I'm sorry was I YELLING, Turn off the Caps and grow up.
BTW, Congrats to Dakota Rev on their growth and success, they do seem to have competitive teams at almost every age especially on the girls side.
Wow, that sounds so fun - play the same teams over and over again. And you're proud of that? Kids will get bored and leave.
I think 1:23AM is taking the piss and having a good laugh at all the haters. Who would want to go to a club where they all played their own teams? Why would a club even want that? Who in their right mind would send a kid to soccer in Blaine 7 days a week? No one I know.
Clubs like Dakota Rev will have success at the younger age groups because of numbers, a home facility, and absolutely nothing else going on in Eagan, Farmington, Apple Valley, or Inver Grove. Like the former Bangu club they also have a few quality coaches focused on the girls side of things and this has translated into competitive teams when you put everything together. However, their south east metro location will not draw in top talent from other districts and eventually their top players will move to a more centralized team at the older age groups.
3:34 Yea, Your right a nice centralized location like Blaine.?.? MTA will need to find a true centralized location to have any chance of competing for the top players in the south Metro.
Bangu/MTA will continue to play home games in Bloomington as well as other metro area locations.
NSC will be just another new site for them until the new Thunder stadium and playing fields are built in St. Paul.
MTA has indoor training locations at Holy Angels, Augsburg, Rosemount and now also at NSC.
If your kid isn't good enough to play for a MTA top club they are wasting their time. Try another sport and if that doesn't work get em a library card.
I'd rather have my premier soccer player / regional ODP player quit soccer than play for MTA again. You're right, I'd have them play another sport before playing for MTA.
THAT'S FOR TUNE-UPS....WHAT WITH MRL, SUPER-Y, PREMIER & MAJOR OUT OF STATE TOURNAMENTS,,, BESIDES OUR 13s WILL BE BETTER THAN YOUR 15s! DRIVING DOESN'T MATTER,THEY CAN READ ON THE WAY. IT'S ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY FINALLY RAISED THE BAR ABOVE KNEE LEVEL. BIG TIME SOCCER HAS BEEN HERE FO 30 YEARS NOW: KICKS. THERE ARE PLENTY OF CLASSES AND LICENSING UPGRADES FOR CC PEOPLE, LET'S SAY YOU GOT 3 KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO PLAY SOCCER. BE A (BETTER) COACH OR REFEREE. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. DON'T BE IGNORANT. WINNING DOESN'T MATTER,,,PARTICIPATION DOES!!!!!!!!!
5:26:
It's a boring Sat. night, would you share some of what you're smoking?
Why do people always think that top talent will move? You do not have to be on what is the best team on paper to continue to develop as long as you and your team mates can play with the best in the state and surounding states and are competetetive. Ultimately it comes down to how much a team want to train.
Thing is at this point we only have one team per age group that fits that description, if that. Whether talent moves depends on their goals. Different kids look for different things and that is OK.
I'd rather have my premier soccer player / regional ODP player quit soccer than play for MTA again. You're right, I'd have them play another sport before playing for MTA.
Hey Regional Parent..This has got to be the most selfish thing Iv seen on this thread..Its all nice and dandy that your player is a regional ODP player, FOR NOW! The hard part is, staying on the Regional ODP team. I, for the sake of your player, hope she gets the BEST coaching for the next few yrs until she gets to College. It sounds like YOU have a ax to grind with a coach of the club. Why dont you listen to your player FIRST before over micromanaging her career. If your crying now about club soccer, then what are you going to do when she goes off to college and she doesnt have things handed to her on a silver platter, you gonna QUIT and never play for that school again as well?? GROW UP!! Or maybe your one of those Mommies and Daddies that sit on the sideline and TRY to coach and screams and yells because your a certitified soccer parent that has all the answers.
You know, MN has a few players on a Regional ODP team, that kind of puts pressure on the clubs back at home. Now, its all up to the Clubs to keep the players on the Regional ODP team. Guess what, 1/2will not make it in 2 yrs. If you look at other Regional teams, every year about 6-7 NEW players are put on the Regional team and 6-7 players are cut, or demoted to the Pool team and never get called into camp again. If you want your player to stay with the Regional team, then she is going to have to get the best coaching, and try to play against some of the best competition to get better instead of status-quo.
All this blah blah blah doesn't change anything. MTA will dominate again as usual.
Let's get one thing clear. It's all about me, the parent. My kid wouldn't know nor care about ABC club or XYZ club.
which club is the most fun?
players only please.
ckub?Players play on teams not clubs
Top Clubs, not only based on state cup titles but overall programs.
Thunder
EP
St Croix
Woodbury
REV
Wayzatta
Not necessary in that order
I would add Burnsville also
Burnsville? lmao. Really? Bunch of wannabes there and some real a-holes on the board.
Wayzata - maybe on the girls side.
REV - maybe on the girls side.
I'd throw MU and Tonka on this list.
MU and Blackhawks on the boys side as well as the otehrs listed aboved not sure about Burnsville
REV almost disbanded completely 3 years ago, they have responded with some pretty decent younger girls teams, but still not one of the top clubs in the state, Valley on the boys side could be considered, they have pretty consistently had premier teams in every other age group or so, 14, 17, and 19 this upcoming season and before that guys that would be 21 and 23 now, Lakeville club has been pretty good as well boys and girls, but better and more depth on the boys side
All the above clubs are good. Unfortunately for many of the ones listed above they only draw from their community. Yes I know Woodbury has the Inferno but with the changing of the landscape and the perception out there, community clubs will have an extremely hard time competing with the Thunders, St. Croix, and Dakota Revs out there. Once the inferno are done I would be very surprised to see a community club win State Cup again. I'm not saying this is good or bad just my opinion. With that being said everyone loves the underdog story.
I don't get why people think that REV is this superior private club, it is a community club just like valley, burnsville, lakeville, they are the old rosemount club and they serve rosemount and eastview kids and if you look at their teams other than a select few, same as valley, burnsville, lakeville, they are a community club and will never be at the same level as MTA, st. croix, or blackhawks
Blackhawks are yesterdays news. They don't have any competitive girls teams and boys teams are on decline also. St. Croix club has numbers but very few quality girls teams.
MTA has a few very good coaches but a lot of them are average at best. There are many very good coaches not with MTA and that is where some players (and parents) choose to stay and they will do just fine. It's garbage to say that a player won't do well in college if they don't play for MTA. Pure propaganda for those who wish to listen to it.
Inferno is a community club team in name only. They have players from at least 8 different communities.
3:08 WRONG. Rev never was close to disbanding. They did attempt to merge with Valley United being they both serve predominantly the same community, It should have happenned, but didn't. I think they still should find a way to do this but doubt REV would have much interest now that they seem to be rolling with their winter training programs and successful younger teams (u-15 and under) Valley does have very good older teams (boys side) but isn't replacing them with strong younger teams, those kids are moving to Rev because of the more complete program( winter training,Captive summer camps, and an emphasis on quality paid coaching. ) Valleys history is so strong but they continually be challenged to compete against a stronger club that serves the same geography.
Rev does primarily serve the communities of R osemount E agan and Apple V alley but does welcome kids from neighboring communities.
I think Burnsvile has done a better job than the other south metro clubs as they too have opened their borders to kids outside Burnsville. They don't have the "inhouse training" like MTA, Rev, Blackhawks, and a few others. They "rent" their training program from Coerver.
A statistical look at the top clubs based on number of State Cup finalists from 2006-2008.
BNG/MTA 34
Wings 8
St Croix 7
PSA 5
EDP 4
WDB 3
BHK 3
EDI 2
TNK 2
VLY 2
CDA 2
EAG 2
MU 2
8 clubs @ 1 each
Doesn't St. Croix represent the community of Stillwater & surrounding area?
3:54,
I think you forget about the U-16 girls Eden Prairie Premier team. They will also be a community club that wins a state cup championship this season.
I think that was predicted last year also.
4:25, where is that propaganda? Please try to provide some facts if you can. Sounds like a hater propagating myth to me.
The St Croix teams that have won State Cups titles or were finalists have had many players from outside of the Stillwater area on those teams.
I know for a fact many of the elite girl's teams had players from all over the metro area, very similar to Bangu and the Woodbury girls team that has won State Cup.
It is virtually impossible to win a State Cup at U-15 or above without having a roster of recruits from outside a CC. Going forward, it will become more and more difficult to win a State Cup at even U-13 without having "outside" players.
They are all " soccer clubs". MTA uses "Community Club" like it's something evil when recruiting. Most clubs now have players from all areas, not just drawing from their geographical location. Trying to create some heirarchy with labeling is nonesense anymore.
Why would REV want to merge with valley, accept for more fields? If any mergers should occur in the south it should be REV, Lakeville and Eagan making one club.
in the long run REV being a feeder program to Thunder could benefit both parties. In order for that to have a chance to happen Thunder would need to only have one team at 13 and above. If they did that it is very posisble that other clubs would be more interested as well.
The community club thing is long gone, players will go and play where they want to and clubs will take players that are interested in their club. The last thing a club ask is where a player live.
I'll do a little research throughout the day.....first one:
St Paul Blackhawks Soccer Club--
"Blackhawks works with urban organizations to draw in new players and fully represent the diverse community in which we reside. Blackhawks provides scholarships and encourages team fundraising to ensure its programs are accessible to all St. Paul youth."
SSMSouthCampus
Burnsville:
"Article II: Purpose
Section 1. Objectives
A. To promote the development of soccer in the Burnsville, Savage, and District 191 area."
Coon Rapids Soccer:
"Coon Rapids Soccer Association (CRSA) is a year round non-profit youth soccer club specifically serving Coon Rapids and several suburban communities including: Andover, Anoka, Blaine, Coon Rapids, Fridley and more."
Dakota REV Soccer Club:
"DAKOTA REV SOCCER CLUB is a community-based, traveling soccer program open to all residents of District #196 and the surrounding communities within Dakota County. "REV" is an acronym for Rosemount, Eagan, Apple Valley."
Eagan Traveling Soccer:
"The Eagan Traveling Soccer program exists to serve the needs and interests of its present and future soccer players by providing multiple levels of competition for boys and girls in the Eagan area. Our program currently meets the needs of approximately 700 participants ages 9-19."
Edina (from By-Laws):
"Section 2.2 Specific Purposes.
The specific purposes of this corporation shall be:
To promote, coordinate, adminstrate, and further of players, and families in Edina who wish to participate in traveling soccer."
SSM will I see you Sunday if so come and say hi I am the coach for the REV U15 team. Or is your daughter on the u18 team.
There are five in the last 10 minutes I could find that specifically address the community they serve. Now, if they are practicing this is another story. My point is, that the "Community Club" does exist (atleast in documentation)....to try and argue otherwise is silly.
SSMSouthCampus
Mine is not on the U18 team, she is a U16. She will not be playing, as she is the one I described in an earlier post as having a fairly significant head injury. She is on the road to recovery, and should be playing by CASL.
I may be there this weekend, but not sure. If I come up, I'll grab you and say hi. I love to meett people from the blogs...atleast that way people can see that I am not an evil demon with horns!
SSMSouthCampus
Also, to be clear....I am not saying there is anything wrong with CCs. I have said it before, my daughter was given the opportunity to play with the Woodbury Springbok team last spring/summer. Best time she has ever had in soccer. Great people, great coaches. Just not the environment she would choose to train in year round. Great diversion, but she is looking for a different level of training and commitment from teammates. Soccer is all that is important to her. She'd like to be with like minded players.
The beauty of what Minnesota has going for it is that there are mulitple soccer opportunities in your State. A kid can find whatever situation fits thier needs/wants.
The ugly part of what Minnesota has is......US. The parents. We are arguing about what is the best opportunity/layout of a club. The elephant in the room is that ALL of us are correct-- for our child's situation. The faster we can all recognize that, the faster we can all agree to disagree. But, don't lose sight that those in Minnesota can have this discussion. Where we live, in Iowa, it is a soccer desert. There are no viable options for differing "levels". Think of it as having 15 MTAs in your State with no real good opportunities for anything else.
Funny thing is....soccer players have it good in Minnesota and no one realizes it! Have an open mind, no one club is "evil" and out to screw ayone over (other than possibly competing clubs). Keep an open mind and find the right level/club for YOUR kid.
Everyone really CAN win here, if we just open our minds.
SSMSouthCampus
Now go out there and win one for the Gippper...or something like that?
SSM agre with previous post, hope to see you Sunday. As stated before hope your daughters recover continues to go well.
She'll be alright. Just have to take the return to play a little slow. If anyone is interested, we have a pretty good article that is the "latest, greatest" regarding the accepted method of return to play following concussion/multiple concussions. Got it from a Neurology speciialist at Mayo a couple weeks ago.
Probably good info to have, whether you are a coach or parent. If so, send me an email at pm3angels@mchsi.com. How's that for not hiding behind an anon screen name?
She has a hard head, like her dad I think?? She will be back before you know it. I think it knocked some sense into her as well :)
10's dad
By the way SSMSC..What is the picture about? I still cant make it out??
8:54, where does MTA use that? Facts please rather than ignorant hater hearsay might help your cause.
Nice posts SSMSC. Problem is that CCs believe they can compete nationally at all age groups and are up in arms about losing their best players to another organization. Not about the kids at all, all about the club. THAT is what is wrong with MN soccer.
1:16 This "ignorant hater" has heard first hand more times than I care to count, the snide use of the term CC by Bangu coaches, parents, and directors. I used to have a player in that club and know of the truth here.
11:30 - you had a player in the club? Now you spout hate? Wonder why. Let me guess, you decided to leave all on your own. Why are you even talking about Bangu? Your post above said MTA was bashing CCs. Looks like you're living in the past on a number of fronts. Don't think all the non-Bangu people now involved with MTA think of themselves as Bangu. Just a hunch.
So I hear some of the U16 Girls teams are looking for players at the premier level....not enough kids to go around??
People are wising up and leaving the kool-aid for others.
Right on hater.
Trying to keep it quiet but there are some issues with a few teams with numbers.
16 is a funny age, kids get a driver license and soccer may not be as important as it once was.
What other 16 teams than MTA white are short?
Word among the parents is a fair number of white team players are looking to go elsewhere too. I assume in the future players and parents will be more assertive in demanding a placement after tryouts rather than the pooling which is done to keep them captive.
U16 at MTA do not pool players.
I think the reference was to younger teams. I have heard the same.
1225-
Many(not all) mta people play the cc card to belittle any mn soccer organization not related to mta, but it is somehow not ok for people to make that observation? give me a break.
If you don't believe that this card is played, look at the history of comments on this blog, look at r2r, look at bangu site, or listen to what your own leadership (i.e. ma) says...facts are facts, quit acting like your sh#t doesn't stink!
Stop trying to portray your club as a victim...your club could have chosen to take the high road when ma got invloved yrs ago, but the mta powers that be chose an alternate marketing route..they chose to be publicly critical of anything not mta. Whether you like it or not non-mta folks resent you, not because you are the most dominant and successful soccer club in mn, but because of the way you treat others; the golden rule means nothing to the people who run your club. if you treat people like sh#t, they will treat you like sh#t---its human nature, not many people are willing to turn the other cheek. The truth is that this is your repuation in the mn soccer community.
I know your going to say, oh their jsut jealous. But you'd be wrong. As an example, SSM has similar goals and aspirations in terms of achieving success, but they carry themselves much differently. They treat people with respect--talk to their coaches, players, or look at comments from ssm affiiliates on this blog...They are for the advancement of soccer, not belittling others...Its no surprise that the only people who have consistently talked negatively about their involvement in mn state cup are those from mta. These negative comments pertaining to ssm, if viewed in their proper context, are clearly motivated by a underlying fear of losing and not by what ssm
represent.
MTA always wants to have their cake and eat it too. This is a two-way street..MTA is not respected or treated with respect because they respect no one.
OOUCH
Don't think 1:31 speaks for all of us. MTA and MTA folks treat our club, players and coaches with respect. Maybe because we choose to have a open dialog with them. To be hung up on how they use the word cc is pretty short sighted.
Well put and agreed on by many!! Bangu/MTA could have been something special but they ruined their reputation all by themselves.
Residential programs like SSM are what serious atheletes in all sports do. The rest, ie MTA are not elite programs to anyone but the true believers.
maybe MTA will have a residential program soon? Than what will happen is the market big enough for two?
131, I don't have a kid in MTA but they don't need your respect. What is your club going to do? Boycott the Thunder? Tell your club members to do so? The Thunder attendance and group sales went up this year, even after the MTA announcement. The fact is most people don't care about MTA. Only the club officials who believe their club can be competitive at the highest levels.
You don't have a problem with SSM because you don't see them as a threat.
Are you saying that MA coming in brought all this negativity? Or are you saying that he was bringing an opportunity to take the high road? I've read through r2r. Most of the stuff he has done has been god for interested players and positive for MN soccer. He was bitter about the Woodbury stuff in the beginning right or wrong, but the program and the message have evolved.
There are many a$$holes in MTA. There are many such in other clubs. It's people like you that judge MTA through actions of the few and people on the other side of the battle lines do the same for CCs based on individuals like you. Never ending, repetitive, and fairly sickening on all accounts and on both sides.
looks like Wayzata and Woodbury will be the big competition at U16premier this year with EP dropping out.
My last post didn't show up. I wanted to commend everyone on the progress that was made today. It took almost 50 minutes for a negative post after mine. Heck, there were actually 4 non-negative posts made prior to the first "I hate you" today!
My picture is of an igloo. While I am not an official "Igloo person" (you have to have a daughter on the U18 SSM team for this), I like to think of myself as an honorary little brother. Maybe 10's dad can elaborate?
Why do any of you think of SSM as a "threat"? And if you do, why do you? Because you feel your team may get beaten by them? I think I speak for many of the SSM parents who welcome this type of "threat" because playing good competition is how your player gets better.
Yes. There IS room for another residential program in MN. There aren't many in the US, and the model seems to work. I am all for options. I kind of like going to the liquor store and being able to choose a beer from many different labels. Gives me power as a consumer, why don't people see this?
4:29,
EP U-16s dropping off?
hahahah.
Funny one!
6:14- 4:29 said "dropping out", not "dropping off". I assume that he/she meant that they aren't participating in Premier league in the Spring as they will focus on MRL? Is this the case or no, 4:29?
EP and WH are dropping out but holding their spot until the last day to limit the promotion the newly promoted Prem team will be able to do. Real nice.
ssmsc nobody thinks of SSM as a threat. The poster was referring to the fact that many CC's do think of MTA as a threat, and this contributes to the animosity.
My, is this a friendly place today! One might think that the high school season is about completed and that the club season begins this weekend.
Good for the kids to get a brake and than get back to trying to play real soccer, where you are actually allowed to play the ball backwards and sideways. Know high school is agreat experience for many but that is about it.
I see CASL will be having Red Bull Flights from U15-U17. Once again this means all the other flights will start at second rate and go down from there. Why do these so called showcase tournaments have to be held as sidebars to the Red Bull games? The few other elite level teams at these tournaments get stuck playing low level competition, not what they travel there to do, which is play against the best. Have the Red Bull play on weekends of their own.
News from on high:
MTA is apparently struggling to pay their coaches and trainers and I have talked with several who had enough and just went back to their original clubs. I heard the Thunder are having similar issues. I think it's beautiful that they have time to blog but not time to write checks.
Quality, integrity, and customer service: The bangu and now MTA mantra!
SSM: I bet your colleagues (if you're even from there) are proud to have you speaking for them. I assume the south campus at SSM is a cornfield in Iowa. Definitely qualifies you to spout off about MN soccer. Oink.
9:35- What collegues? I don't work for the school, I have a player there. The SouthCampus is indeed near a cornfield, and I refuse to take your bait. Take a moniker or identify yourself and I'll hold a conversation with you. Otherwise, you are just another coward hiding behind a screen trying to stir a pot.
What exactly was it that I said that raised your dander? I am curious to see which part you took exception to, as I didn't really say anything negative about anyone/anything?
9:34, who has left? I hope they all leave. Any facts/names?
Yes, EP is dropping out of MYSA Premier league....looking to focus on Midwest and better competition i would suppose. Good move for them.
9:35- Where are you? You started something, I'd be interested to hear your side......
Hear my side of what? I just think it is kind of interesting that more local teams are opting out of MYSA at the premier level and moving to other options. For some teams this is the best possible move if they want to train/play against better players.
ssm
I'm everywhere. Unfortunately, so are you. Coward? Strong words from south of the border! For the record, SSM is near a corn field. Iowa is a corn field. You're right, you resisted the bait really well (!?). Have a nice day. I know I will now.
11:59- You're right, coward is strong word. Why don't you want to atleast identify yourself with a totally anonymous moniker, just so people can keep your comments straight? It is no secret who I am. Heck, I even gave my personal email address just a few posts ago. I have been more than forthcoming as to my identity, and everyone who frequents this board knows who I am. This keeps me from just spouting off evil hate, because I can't hide from my comments. Just wish others would take the same accountability for what they post.
If you were to read the previous posts, you would see that I probably won't be South of the border this weekend. Ball is in your court now.
All I want to know is what I said to get you riled up? I simply pointed out that MN has many more options for various level of players than most States. I don't think that takes a long-time resident to recognize that? But, your provincial mentality would like to have someone who isn't eligible to vote for Al Franken banned from this blog.
I would like to petition the blog owner AGAIN to require that people take monikers to post. It is a simple checkbox, but is well worth the time as it will decrease the amount of non-constructive posts as people will be accountable for what they write (atleast to some degree).
BTW, even though I live in Iowa I still have a player with a Minnesota Youth Soccer players card. Just like you. The things that effect your player in MN, effect mine also. Where I live has little to no relevance to this conversation.
SSM-South Campus can also be thought of, the South Campus on Shattuck-St Mary's campus, its the underclassman's dorm and classes.
And for those that care, our U17 Natl Team is playing the first World Cup game today, 6pm, you can follow it via matchtracker www.fifa.com...to see some video feeds from other games held yesterday you can click the following...
http://www.fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/video/videolist.html
10s Dad aka A Igloo Parent.
Also, a top recruit from "Iowa" just committed to your Univ of Minnesota today. She is a 2010, Mackenzie Misel from the WDMSC.
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