With the high school season over, many MN soccer fans are turning their attention to the upcoming club season. While travel budgets may be smaller with the economic down turn, may team are still planning a full winter season of tournaments.
Should be an interesting match. Wayzata is the defending State Cup champion at that age group but lost players to both MTA & EP. Not sure what kind of team they now have. Very good keepers on both sides so don't expect a very high scoring affair.
SSM 2 Wayz 0 Good match. Evidently, SSM has a new coach and the team looks stronger. Ex-MTA player controls mid, skilled player and scored penalty kick. Ex-Dak Rev player scored other goal. Fun to watch.
4:45 It really doesn't matter. If MTA and Bville can have one win each in the respective leagues they play in they should consider the season a success. Both teams are going to spend tens of thousands of dollars in travel costs and will be lucky to win even one game. I sure hope the "experience" is worth it. neither of these teams is likely to have any significant success outside of MN. This is clearly the weakest age group in this state (for some reason, i don't honestly know why.) but it doesn't mean that the age group is weak in other states. These two teams should either combine their top talent to make one strong team or the best players on each team should try to find a quality opportunity up a year. Too many weak links on both team to be a regional success.
3:44 and 2:15- Handball in the box caused the PK. No drama. Besides, game was 1-0 at that point. PK was a moot point- no real chances for our girls (WYZ). Don't try and bring us into your "drama".
Good game by both teams, a great way to spend a cold day.
Um- ex-MTA player did NOT control the midfield. As a matter of fact, she only played about 45% time.
Secondly, the ex-Dak Rev player was NOT the one who scored the first goal. The first goal was scored by player #10 who is a So Cal native.
So while I agree with you that it was a good game to watch, your details are a bit off. Including the later addition that alludes to the fact that the PK was BS. The PK was legit- but SSM won the game without it. If you want to call it 1-0, fine.
Gee 7:16....I guess we were watching the game from different vantage points. I got there late so I may have missed some details, but from what I saw #10 did not score the goal and what does being from So Cal have to do with anything? If I'm wrong, sorry. And yes, the MTA player controlled the field in the second half... very talented player. I thought Wayzata looked strong and I enjoyed the game, well what I saw of it.
The point of bringing up that #10 is a So Cal native is that the player who scored the goal was not from Dakota Rev- she came from So Cal in 2008 and has never played at Dakota Rev (or anywhere else in MN except for SSM).
The game was, indeed, a good game and was a lot of fun to watch.
I'm sorry to say it was my daughter who scored the goal. She doesn't play on the team but she stole a jersey and just jumped on the field and scored all the goals. You are all just jealous. She even scored a hat trick at half time, She's the best.
So it appears the Thunder pro team is defunct. I know it has been stated that MTA is a seperate entity but how can anyone be sure the revenue collected back in Aug during the tryouts is still available to be paid to enter the youth teams in the spring leagues? I hope that money was not "lent" to the pro team in an effort to keep it afloat. Can anyone provide some form of conformation that the youth registration money is safe?
i would suggest you ask your mta coach or your respective mta director. they would be the only ones who would know and i sincerely doubt you would want to put much faith in any "confirmation" that someone would post here.
I am not with MTA but most clubs require full payment for the season right after the player commits. That would be the full payment for the league costs, not tournament or coaching fees. I think our clubs charge is about $280 at time of team acceptance.
EP U17 is in the Copa flight again, playing noboby for the second event in a row. Only one game at DDWS complex
MTA U16 White is in the Predator flight, playing several very good teams. Two games at DDWS Complex.
If was an EP parent paying all that money to travel I would not be happy with the teams they are playing. Maybe JE does not have as much influence as she say she does.
4:10- Let's assume that you are NOT an EP parent. Given this fact, I would request that you shut your pie-hole and not state what you feel an EP parent SHOULD feel like.
If we were all out there stating what we would feel like if we were parents in a different situation than that which we have chosen- I would say that if I weren't an EP parent, I'd be upset that I wasn't an EP parent.
JE has accomplished more than most of the active coaches in MN today. She is no slouch, and you would do well to have a coach of her caliber both as a human being and as a teacher of sports.
Give the E.P. team and their few parents who self appointed the coach some time to simmer and slowly brew. Just dont disappoint and embarass her and underacheive if you do win state cup and go to regions and belly flop. The former members from woodbury mahhhh off their....beloved coach dearest.... and truly wished her good bye.
6:25 and 9:57 --Actually I think the real point is not that a coach unethically switched clubs and took players--probably the worst a coach can do--but that she went to a club that really couldn't provide elite competition and the parents are wasting their money. Good=good coach, maybe great player--snubbed on quality competition; Bad= can't get in the elite level out of state, one or two year club deal for the coach, leaves a scar on the record for taking players from one club to another. Not a good move. If you're gonna leave, leave the players if you're that good of a coach you don't need to switch within your own age group, go build within another age group at another club and prove yourself all over again.
Once again, some folks all have their undies in a bunch. JE must be doing something right if they feel the need to devote their energy toward tearing her down. The constant tearing down of every coach out there is getting really old. The 2 players who left Woodbury for EP were playing a year up with Woodbury and went back to their own age group. Get over yourselves.
11:02 agreed, common knowledge from within that JE and JZ had coordinated the transition for Inferno over a year ago. JZ known for expertise in taking players into their college years. JE had the team since they were 14 not sure why this is a big deal. Someone just stirring the pot.
It's too bad that the Eagan team was relegated being part of the last place tie. Did MYSA make a rule for future three way last place ties to avoid having to relegate half of a Premier league?
I'll be the first to point out MYSA's company line (despite my disagreement with part of it): You are MYSA . . . if you want the change, then make the rule change. The error in that philosophy is that they do have the bully pulpit and it needs to be sold better to the membership if it's to take place. Now if that comes from a club, then the president's fall meeting would be a good forum for selling it to the other clubs.
Point 2: Agreed WTF are people getting their chests puffed up about scrimmages. They mean almost nothing as coaches are still figuring out what their new players' roles will be, what combos of new/old work best, etc. As a coach, I use scrimmages during the winter for way more experimentation than any games that mean anything in league. Most of the coaches by this time haven't even seen their HS-age players for more than a few times per week for 4 weeks.
Point 3: Since when did players become property??? Clubs don't commit to keeping a player on a specific team for more than the one-year, why should a player be expected to have more loyalty than the club does? I think we all need to review one of the last articles penned by Ian Barker in Soccer Times regarding player movement. We don't own them, they should be able to move to any club that provides them with an opportunity that fits them better (in THEIR opinion, not yours).
11:02 Not bothered at all. I think it's more of a joke that she's transfers a team to EP then they don't get any competition when they travel out of state.
11:13, how is that a joke?? Team placement isn't determined by who the new coach is. Connections help, but are no guarantee. Any tournament places teams based on the team's record primarily.
EP is not even a State Cup Champ from lowly MN. Where do you expect them to be placed in Nat'l tourneys? BTW, based on meaningless scrimmages, EP should be thankful that they have not been put in the upper flights.
what's up with all the EP hatin'? hadn't heard a peep out that team this fall. sounds like a few folks not yet into the Christmas spirit looking to stir things up. Catch the Holiday Happiness - you are running out of time!
11:12, re #3. As Herb Brooks said:"When you pull on that jersey, you represent yourself and your teammates. And the name on the front is a hell of alot more important than the one on the back! Get that through your head!"
Why is is soccer parents feel they need to showcase thier DD like a prize poodle. Parents...get a life its not about you...its about your child!
Well said 1:47...They use Club Soccer as vacations. Instead of putting your player on a plane and say good luck, you all pack the luggage and go....Give it a rest
2:21- Sorry if some of us actually enjoy watching our children participate in the activities they love.
I am sure that you practice what you preach, right? You do things like drop your children off at their school and go out to eat during their musicals, concerts, high school sporting events, etc. right? Some of us have children who are committed to a single sport, so the analogy DOES fit.
8:40- COP OUT. Can you answer the question? I am confident that my child will be just fine when it comes time to leave the roost-- considering she doesn't live in our family's roost presently. All the more reason to go to her games and watch, wherever they may be.
Now, how about an answer from you? Do you attend your child's extracurricular activities? If so, how is this different than traveling to tournaments to watch them play?
Well, I guess that answers that. Practice what you preach 2:21/8:40 or you will be called on it. Don't say stupid stuff and you won't have to cower in the corner until people stop holding you accountable.
629 If you could go to your source and get more information that would be great. I can't imagine which team would be joining that league unless one of the relegated teams is applying?
Why would a High School student want a skillzy's? Makes no sense to me at all. I think for the little kids, but come on... high school kids playing high level club soccer!?
I can just see it now, Hello Sally, This coach Anson Dorrance from North Carloina, I hear you are interested in our program. Can you tell me a little about your accomplishments, Well I play on the National team, I lead my team in Points, I have a 4.O GPA, but my most prized accomplishment is I have earned the full set of basic Skillzys tags and am currently devoting myself to mastering and collecting every Skillzy that is made. Actually I think skillzy's are a good idea for younger kids but don't quite get it for older kids at U15 and above, and I thought ECNL was U15 and above? Maybe I'm wrong about the younger ages.
The skillzy being used for the ECNL are the tournament skillzy, it just shows the tournament logo with the team name on it. This is instead of the pins you get at most of these events.
MA company is doing very well in the tournament market as it is something different from the pins and can be personalized for each participating team.
I don't think anyone that knows MA thought that MTA not renewing his contract was the end of his soccer involvement in Minnesota and the budding success of his new company highlights the fact that MTA lost arguably one of the top soccer idea generators and marketers in the country. I'm not saying MTA should have kept him but they obviously don't have anyone in the current system who can do what he did with Woobury/Bangu/MTA.
I've seen a number of local teams and clubs begin implementing the skillzys idea (my team included) and I think it's great for the younger players. I would really be surprised however if an ECNL coach is putting skillzys to use, but who knows. MA seemed to find some success with it at his HS. It will be interesting to see the extent of the partnership and if the ECNL promotes the concept to the younger teams in their member clubs or if this is just another soccer gimmick that comes and goes. I'm in the minority of bloggers on this site that have a ton of respect for the guy, thank him for his role in Minnesota girls soccer, and wish him well.
12:50 - actually I think there are a lot of folks like yourself that have a ton of respect for him, it's just that there is a very vocal minority that don't like him.
1242 - These are young adults looking to be recruited by colleges. I think it's great that you love the skillzy's. I'm not a huge fan of them for the older kids. I do think they are nice for the younger kids as it gives them something to work towards. I'm not knocking MA, but rather the idea at the older ages. My kid does not work hard for Skillzy's! I pretty sure she doesn't need that stuff hanging off her bag.
Don’t bash MTA decision makers for letting MA go. They obviously had their reasons and it was a decision that was backed by the likes of proven elite coaches like Storlien and Cook. They probably didn’t want to deal with the baggage that MA brought with him though, ironically, MTA is MTA because of him.
However I agree that MA is one of the sharpest soccer minds to ever come out of this state and he obviously can develop soccer talent. Most of MTA’s girls teams U17 and younger owe some of their success to the guy’s involvement with them as does the Infero and the “top HS team in the nation”. And though the guys is focused on the girls side of things, MN elite boys owe him a debt of gratitude as well as they would not have come together at certain age groups without the MTA banner. His own HS team didn’t fair too bad this fall either and I know from talking to a couple of the team’s parents that Skillzys were introduced and used. The company concept is pure genius for the younger age groups and I’ve seen them on the backpacks of many of my club’s (St Croix) kids. To allow coaches to focus their players on specific technique and encourage the players to try the move and combinations in games is a great idea. I see this taking off for maybe the U12s or U13s and younger. For the older kids, I don’t think it will be as effective nor do I think that is the company’s target market. We’re going to use them to some extent with our U15 boys but doubt that the excitement of earning them will be like it is with the younger teams.
Love him or hate him his ideas have helped spur Minnesota soccer to the next level.
4:45 Have nt looked at this blog for awhile.... seems more negative than ever. U15 being the weakest age in Minnesota is absurd. The fact that MTA blue elected not to play MRL premiere has nothing to do with Burnsvilles promotion. The FACT is, they were promoted because FC United (whom BVL beat)players are playing HS.Also from BVLs first div. last year FC Milwaukee blue (whom tied BVL)a region semi-finalist,players are playing HS. The fact that BVL finished third in last years MRL first div is due to a no play vs the leagues last place team. Im not stirring any pot or saying that anyone is better than anyone else,those are the facts.
There were two in that age group teams that did well in MRL last year. One team won their division the other team was at the top of their division. Both teams would be in the premiere league this year if MTA didn't opt for ECNL. They are two very competative closley matched teams. I do think one of them is a bit better than the other (I'll let you guess which one) and if they played each other 10 times one team would win 5, one team would win 3 and they'd tie twice.
If you combined the top talent on those two teams they would make a serious run at regionals and hold their own against most U15 teams.
11:44 I too think the 15 age group is weak in MN. Both Burnsville and MTA are respectible but are barely average in the regional picture.
Burnsville wins State Cup and then gets destroyed at regionals. Earns a birth into the MRL Premier league (good) but with further digging we find that they really got in as a third place finisher in the spring MRL who's highest rated team (gotsoccer) is only rated 114 with half of it's points generated by feeding off of the other weaker teams in that league.
MTA same story just a different league. the highest rated team in their league is only rated #163 with near all of their points from the league itself. Now the ECNL league- first weekend was a huge bust. Will it get better? we'll know soon.
Someone mentioned that if you combined the two teams you would have a real strong team. I agree. But really at what age group in MN wouldn't this be true? Other ages have regionally strong teams. 13 MTA 14 REV 15 --- 16 MTA 17 EP 18 Woodbury
That's the best I can do to attach "facts" to the "weak" statement (which was not mine I just agree). I really find it hard to believe either team will win a game in either MRL or ECNL this year.
Where are the facts to back up that the U17 EP team is "regionally strong"? I have seen nothing to prove this, and as a matter of fact have had it reported by atleast one college coach who attended the College Cup that there was "nothing special about the U17 EP team at all outside of a single player or two. The team does not seem to fit well together...."
Folks- I don't make up the facts, just report them.
Jury is out on the U18 Inferno team, the downhill slide began a couple years ago for them. Are they still competitive (not even sure they really were ever regionally competitive).
As far as U13 and U14- who cares. Once the other kids catch up to any "early developers"- these "regionally competitive" teams change faster than a Tiger Woods girlfriend voicemail greeting.
4:33- Before you come to any conclusions about the motivation or that I am a U16 MTA parent, I can't speak about the age group at all. I have no knowledge of whether or not they are a "regionally competitive" team or not. I gave that team a pass, because I just flat don't know.
4:48 agree Gotsoccer is not by any means perfect,,,But it is one way to quantify a teams level of play relative to the others in their age group. the difference between a team rated 200 vs 300 is nothing but as you get to the rankings of the top 50-75 in each age group the ratings actually are a pretty good benchmark of a teams comparative ability against the other top teams in the country.
Has anyone read the updated rules from the AGM? I realize I am probably way behind the times, but I have time to look at this stuff now. If I am correct, it appears as though MYSA has actually taken a step forward toward a system which makes some sense? (I am really afraid that the end of the world is coming now!)
It appears to me that MYSA has just made a loophole for teams to be placed in MYSA Premier League possible without previous year's promotion. Does anyone else read the new rule this way also? It says:
11.3 Teams Playing in the US Youth Soccer National League-Midwest Region
a. Teams that played in the US Youth Soccer National League-Midwest Region in the previous season and that finished first or second in the previous MYSA State Cup competition may apply for the MYSA Premier league by submitting their request to the MYSA Competitive Committee by the published deadline. The teams must have 50%, plus one player, returning from the previous year’s roster to compete.
Come on people, Rankings!? If you all have noticed, if your not in the ECNL anymore, then you arent going to be playing the top teams in any tournament. Just the way things are. You all can jump up and down if your team is ranked, but what good is it?? WoW, our team is ranked. Big freaking deal. Scouts dont look at rankings, they are looking at players. And right now, the ECNL league is the new hot league for scouts to go watch. GotSoccer rankings to be used to put you with other teams in the same W/L brackets dont matter anymore. ECNL Baby.
10:47- Please see my post of a few weeks ago. I was in San Diego at Surf Cup, and giving College Coaches player profiles. I would estimate that I could have thrown rocks and hit nearly 300 coaches. These coaches weren't "rabble", they ranged from USC, Penn State, North Carolina, to Community Colleges. Full gamut, all looking for players. However, I will tell you that most from D2 up were looking at 2012s not the 2011s. It seems as though the 2011 bucket is pretty empty for most schools.
And, I might add that I was NOT in attendance with an ECNL team. So puff up all you want, ECNL is a good thing but not a reason to flock to MTA. Nice try though.
someone should also add that ECNL is obviously not perfect. Sure, MTA is playing some of the best teams in the Country with no patsys. But what about the teams that have to play AGAINST MTA? They aren't getting the same deal, MTA definately is no Eclipse, PDA, Texans, Surf, etc.
How does it feel to be the patsy of a league (again)?
Patsy??? is that what they call your daughter's team? My daughter has played 3 games in ECNL and won 2 of them and tied the other. Get informed before you stick that other foot in your mouth.
Wow. Who did you play and where were they ranked? Are they REALLY National Level teams? Would you have ever have seen them playing at USYS Nationals? I didn't think so. Congratulations on beating teams ranked below 20 in thier Region. There is nothing special about the competition you have played to this point. Let's talk after you play the teams at the top of the table.
I did not stick my foot in my mouth. As a whole MTA is definately not a club anyone in ECNL is afraid to play. Keep in mind that overall, MTA has a combined record of 3-4-2.
someone sure got their undies in a bunch, I over heard someone whose daughter is a MTA player U11 or U12 refer to his daughters ECNL team. I thought ECNL was U15 and above. If so then boy are they passing out the Kool-aid with extra sugar.
You wonder why people take pot shots at MTA. The arrogance that 90% of you exude is ridiculous. Most of the kids on those teams are a little above average ability who happen to play on teams with some very talented players. Those talented players are the reasons you win not your DD's. 60 % of each team is interchangeable, but yet you think your s**t don't stink.
MTA has two girls teams that are very good (13 and 16). The balance of the teams are not even the front runners in MN. Most of the white,grey black teams etc. are barely able to even be considered average.
I love the rev at u14 is a regionally competitive team. i assume the 'region' being the south metro given they couldn't win state cup last year over an EP team that was non-competitive at actual regionals. we all know there are a great many 'rev fanatics' on this board but that one could be a topper
1:56, And you're the perfect example of a parent who wouldn't know talent if it hit you between the eyes. If it's so easy to do why don't you go out and build a team that will win at State Cup.
3:03- What does your argument have anything to do with? How can you make the assessment that 1:56 can't spot talent just because he/she pointed out the truth that there are only a few who are carrying most teams?
Funny thing is this- I have known many parents with National team, National pool, Regional Players, and State ODP players. None of the parents of the "real deal" kids are quite as defensive or arrogant as you are. The way you respond to adversity says alot. It is much like "little man syndrome".
3:03 Build a team???? How about develop players through your own training to "build" your team. the MTA way is to recruit top talent and then try to organize those top players into a competitive team. Some have had success, others , not so much. Don't preach to us about building anything. building starts with a strong foundation, that means starting from the bottom and building your way up.
3:03, Look at the talent on all the MTA young boys and girls team. You think those kids all cam from different clubs? How do you think the Eclipse, Magic, Solar etc form their teams? You have little clue how teams capable of playing regionally and hopefully nationally are formed. I suggest you do a little research. Kids on those teams aren't all from 1 or 2 zipcodes. You're the ones with the syndromes...the jealousy and envy syndromes because your kids can't make it at that level.
Happy Holidays to all you losers who get riled up on this site. It is the holiday season, sit back enjoy your family and get off this stupid blog. MTA vs the world will never change so give up and move on to more important things. Like spending time with your family over the holiday season.
Before you tell me to do the same thing, I don't read this site everyday or once a month for that matter, just bored at work and thought it would be fun to see if anything new is being discussed but who am i kidding, it is the same old tired arguments from the same old tired people.
Happy Holidays to all you losers who get riled up on this site. It is the holiday season, sit back enjoy your family and get off this stupid blog. MTA vs the world will never change so give up and move on to more important things. Like spending time with your family over the holiday season.
Before you tell me to do the same thing, I don't read this site everyday or once a month for that matter, just bored at work and thought it would be fun to see if anything new is being discussed but who am i kidding, it is the same old tired arguments from the same old tired people.
4:27 agreed. Parents of players who can play, don't take cheap shots at non MTA players/teams. The little man syndrome is again appearing here in abundance. His daughter is a "white" MTA 16 team player and yes, he does literally have "little man's syndrome" because he is a physically "little man".
7:22, And you're a "big man" whining about kid's soccer? Grow up and get on to better things in life rather than worrying about another kid's team. What's your problem? Just let the kids and parents play for the team they choose. It's their decision so why worry about what others do?
9:24, Amen! Worry about your own kid and let other parents worry about theirs. Life is too short to whine and worry about what you can't control! Merry Christmas!
Funny, I think that the same arguments were made by the Shattuck parents about a year ago. MTA parents wouldn't let it go then? Looks like the shoe is on the other foot now Goobers.
That is really great, now besides being named to an "All Tournament Team"- what does this gain anyone?
It is interesting that they discuss this on the MTA website, and then post what the "All Star Team" or whatever is all about- and I quote:
"Designed to identify players with national team potential, the ECNL Player Identification Program focuses on the 1994 and 1995 birth years for the 2009-10 season and will expand to include additional age groups in 2010-11. Over 15 ECNL scouts were in attendance at the ECNL Final Four Showcase."
Um, unless she is playing up a significant number of years (like 3-4 years) then this means nothing according to the above quote. Because a U17 player is definately not 1994-1995 birth year. Now, please don't let this feel like a slight to the player- congratulations to her. It seems like a great accomplishment.
Good on her for making this accomplishment, but it isn't a route to National Teams. Nice try MTA marketing machine.
It's great this new ECNL league give college coaches the opportunity to see so many top flight players and teams at on venue. This helps greatly when schools have seen travel budgets slashed due to the economic environment.
7:49, I'm assuming you mean travel budget for recruiting? Our team travel budget wasn't reduced but our recruiting travel budget was cut about 30%. The new ECNL will make it more efficient to see as many strong teams/players with less travel expense which is a godsend. We're happy to see this league come about.
The ECNL has an ECNL Jrs Series designed for U12-u14 to be just a competitive series: 4 guaranteed games against top competition. The St. Louis Fall Cup was to be MTA's entry for the 12's and 14's but it got canceled. Two more events in April for the ECNL Jrs. for MTA's 12's, 13's and 14's this year. So what you probably overheard was a parent referring to the 12's or 14's since they have been organized. You were wrong and the parent was right.
It looks like MTA is trying to getr their U15 team in the U16-P league. This is from the Competative Committee meeting minutes on the MYSA Web site: http://www.mnyouthsoccer.org/about/minutes/compdec09.pdf
"MTE petition – David Alberti presented MN Thunder Academy East’s request for placement of their U15 MW girl’s team at U16 premier. Minnesota Thunder Academy East petition was tabled until more clarification could be given."
Why would they allow a younger team into that league?
That would be total B.S. if it is allowed. Let them play their own age if that is what they EARNED. MN Premier league should NEVER allow a younger team to play up unless they earned the position though playing up in MYSA league or Midwest league where they qualified for the one year up based on their performance at that age.
This team alreagy tried Playing up to Premier at U-14 (they were 13) and got relegated. (Well at least the Bangu side of the team).
You said "this team already tried playing up to premier at 14..."
That is precisely why MYSA has no choice but to allow this placement. That is the last competitive level for this team and they meet all the other rule requirements (MRL and state cup finals). To me, the rule is clear and there is no choice but to place them at 16P (like it or not and I tend to come down on the not side).
It doesn't matter what the result was when they were in that league. If you read the rules that 8:46 referred to, they meet the criterea for placement in that league. Unlike, 8:46, I come down on the like it side. I think that team would be competative in that league.
Before you go all off on me, no I am not a parent of a girl on that team. My daughter does play for a team in that league, and the MTA team looked good in a scrimmage against my daughter's team over the weekend. From what I saw in that scrimmage, that team belongs at 16 premiere.
Why did they not play C1 (one year up) and try to earn their spot in Premier again? So, if this is approved, what keeps a team who is relegated from taking a year off of MYSA leagues and then petitioning to be placed back into the very status they were relegated from? IF they were relegated, they didn't belong at that competitive level- that is the purpose of relegation/promotion.
The rules, while clear I'll agree, don't specifically allow or disallow for placement of teams at one year up. Did they play a year up in State Cup? How about MRL? If not, then I don't see how they have a legal leg to stand on. The rule assumes that you are petitioning (and meet the requirements) for placement into the same age group from previous season. Doesn't it?
Another great rule from MYSA! One that can't even be clearly interpreted in its FIRST use! Great minds, I tell you.
1:32, you're right. I think the rule does make the assumption that you are petitioning for placement into the same age group, but that was the last level (this year's U-16) that team played at in Minnesota, so I'm not sure MYSA has any choice.
That said, If they are placed at U-16 premiere, they may very well be relegated after this year as well, that should solve that.
I wonder if the objections are coming from other teams in that league. Maybe they'd be the ones embarrassed if their DD lost to a team of 15 year olds.
Everyone needs to look on the BRIGHT side of th MTA U15. After this year is over we only have to listen to the obnoxious parent group of that team for 3 more years or maybe 3 plus years doesn't have a bright side. I was wondering can you please tell us how great they really are and why they deserve the Moon when they aren't even the top team at their age group in Minnesota?
So, the precocious 15s will take the spot of the 16 Grays?? Why?? if the 16P league is so weak, whats the point? What happens to the lowest 16 team? is there still a 16 Gray team? Is it now rebranded the "red" team to mirror the pro teams financial situation?
What happened to the petition from the 3 relegated teams at 15/16 to keep their Premier status?? All three of those teams are better than two of the three teams that were promoted, and better than those snotty little MTA 15s.
MTA 15's will be competitive at 16. They are a talented bunch. I do however believe they should play at their own age. The team was relegated to C1 so if they want to play up it should be at 16c1. They will be very dominant at that class. They (because of their MRL Premeir status) could play 15 Premier if my interpretation of the rules is correct. As for them being "afraid of Burnsville" I think Burnsville should be the concerned team because the MTA kids are very strong and much improved. The main issue they have is getting thier team to show up for the events. When they are all there they are very good.
MTA has got to quit trying to manipulate the system like this. Can't they see that this is a great example of just why so many have such strong negative feelings about their club. JMO.
Is it manipulating the system? Aren't they doing exactly what the rules allow and is within the rules? Clubs keep writing goofy rules to prevent other clubs from doing things and these are the unintended consequences. Next November we'll see new rules written and it will again open up another doorway to more unintended consequences. Worry about your own team and your own club and all will be fine.
Ok. Let's break this down logically- 1) MTA U15s competed in MRL last season, and was a State Cup finalist last year at U14. Is this right?
2) Last time this team played MYSA league, they competed a year up in Premier and were relegated to C1. Is this right?
Personal Conclusions based upon the Rule as written:
1) It seems clear that they are trying to use what they feel is a loophole to get back into MYSA Premier (which they were relegated from). It also seems very clear that MYSA should see through this ploy and rule in the appropriate manner.
2) IF there are open slots for teams in U16 MYSA Premier, those slots should go to U16 teams.
3) IF they are allowed to be placed in U16 MYSA Premier, then they should be forced to play U16 in State Cup. IF they are willing to do this, then it would be much more easy to pass as a just ruling.
Good points, but the only relevant points are your first two. The argument stops after the first two because according to the current rules they were a state cup finalist and they played in MRL (being promoted to MRL premier) therefore they SHALL be placed in the premier league.
The other three points you make are well thought out and probably logical, but they do not speak to the rules.
Fine place them in the U-15 premier league. That's their age right? MTA leadership stop the manipulations of the rules. This doesn't pass the "smell test". Time for MTA, the club with the most State Cup Championships to be leaders OFF the field too. Play to the spirit of the rules and cut out the underhanded manipulation of the rules. Mta will likely have to rebrand again next year due to the folding of the Pro team. Start the rebuild now by acting classy and quit trying to manipulate every situation. MTA leadership is loaded with very good soccer people but is missing so many opportunities to be true leaders of this state's soccer community. Please Stop. The 15's were relegated when they were a younger team so instead of takingg the relegation they decided not to play within the MYSA system, fine. But now they want back in due to other accomplisments. Fine. But how justification to play U-16 Premier can make sense to anyone is beyond common sense. Be true leaders and quit the "game playing". You will be rewarded far more long term by doing the right thing based on the spirit of the rules rather than the Manipulated, twisted, technicalities of the rules.
Playing in MRL is "playing within the MYSA system."
The only arguments against this placement seem to be emotional. If you look at the facts and the rules objectively, this team should be placed at U-16 P.
I don't see any "manipulation of the rules." If you don't like the rule, have it changed, oh wait, that already happened.
Bottom line is that they didn't EARN a spot to play 16P as a team. They didn't play as 15 P last year, and they didn't play 15C1 and finish at the top of that league. Three teams were relegated. All three teams beat the MTA teams when they were 13s playing up as 14P. Three new teams came in. Thats it. MTA Silver parents, if MTA takes your team's rightfully earned spot because the 15s need "development" what does that say about what they think about you and your kids?? Suckers? cash cows? If MYSA creates another 16P spot for the 15 Blues aand keeps the silver team also, shame on you.
They have achieved what was necessary to play U15 Premier in MYSA (their rightful age). There is no "right" for them to pick and choose which MYSA Premier age group they may join. Play U15 Premier for a year, and then show that you deserve consideration to be placed ahead of other deserving U16 teams.
This team has no "right" to displace teams playing in their appropriate age groups. There is no concrete proof they belong a year up, without this proof how can anyone justify to the U16 team they would displace?
Again, in my opinion MYSA Admin as a whole need to be run out of town. They can't even write a clear rule that can be interpreted concretely the first time it is challenged.
Maybe to avoid this, you could have leagues not based upon age? Maybe it should be based upon levels? Teams should have the ability within MYSA to play appropriate skill levels- age doesn't always play a part in this. That way you don't leave anyone out by all this garbage that is being discussed now.
But, the powers that be would have to give a crap enough to stop paying attention to what is best for "this club and that club" and do WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE SPORT IN MINNESOTA. That won't happen though, because the only reason anyone at MYSA volunteers for a position is to better serve THIER CLUB AGENDA. It has little, if anything to do with the players.
Everyone should switch affiliation to US Club Soccer in MN, just to send the message that we are damn tired of this joke which is MYSA. THAT will get US Youth Soccer to get off the pot and take action to protect the game/players here.
WAKE UP PEOPLE. Until we do, we deserve all we get.
Maybe to avoid this, you could have leagues not based upon age? Maybe it should be based upon levels? Teams should have the ability within MYSA to play appropriate skill levels- age doesn't always play a part in this. That way you don't leave anyone out by all this garbage that is being discussed now.
Iowa is like this, they have the Iowa Premier Soccer League (IPSL). The funny thing about it thou, there isnt any Premier teams LOL...You will see U14s Select teams playing U16 rec teams etc..
You guys think MYSA is a joke, ha, try working with Iowa.
I do not believe they will displace any teams. The league would be expanded to seven teams.
If they don't cut the mustard they will be relegated or they may have success and maintain the spot in the league. Either way this accomplishes your wish for them to prove they belong there.
229, They were already relegated from this age group previously, why do they think they get the right to go back. I'm sure other U15's and U16's teams would love to be in premier. Any of the 3 teams that got demoted from the U16 age group last year would have loved to stay premier and I'm sure several of the current u15 Premier teams in the top half would have loved to play up. If they are given a spot it wouldn't have been earned and that is wrong. I believe they earned a U15 premier spot and should take that and be happy.
But they did earn it based on the rules. The last time they played in state, they played at this age group. They were MRL league champions (although just playing MRL is the standard MYSA has in their rules) and they were state cup finalists (which is also in the rules).
It doesn't matter if a teamwas relegated two years ago. They met the criteria last year. Any team that plays MRL and is a state cup finalist is placed in premier if they apply.
The U14P (2009) did not play in the State Cup at the U15 level in 2009. Get your facts straight 4:18. They also were MRL Champions at the age 14 age group in 2009. Not 15. They were not State Cup finalists at U15 in 2009,they were U14 finalists which make them eligible for Premier status at U15. Now, if you want to argue the point some more,go ahead. You'll just continue to show what a whiny bi**h you are.
5:13 true, unfortunately it was about 18 months after the fact. the big issue there was favoritism as a board members child was on the team in question.
5:04- This is 2:10 here. You nailed exactly what I was trying to say. Fine, they have jumped through the hoops to be a U15 Premier MYSA team. They HAVE NOT earned placement into U16 MYSA Premier.
Thank you for saying what I could not find the approach to say.
I'm not involved in girls soccer...I have boys. Why would anyone care if that team plays U15 premier or U16 premier? Just have your U16 premier teams run out on the pitch and teach them a lesson by showing them how U16s play. Why all the bother with the age group they play in?
Because MYSA has put such an emphasis on "earning" the right to play at certain levels. They have, in the past, taken teams which, according to tournament results, would clearly be in the Premier status and made them play C3. That was the reason for this new ruling, to avoid this issue. NOW you have people from MTA stretching the letter of the rule, with no regard to the intent of the rule.
I don't think anyone questions the validity of them having earned the right to play U15 Premier. The rule clearly infers that by meeting the two criteria you are eligible for MYSA Premier league which is age appropriate. That is the reason for the stipulation that a team was a finalist in the previous year's State Cup. This gives MYSA the ability to make a call that the team is "good enough" to play Premier. IF the team then puts in application to play in another age group, there is no proof that the team belongs (skill wise).
And, IN FACT, there is evidence that the opposite is factual for this team. The last time they tried to play up an age at the Premier level, they were relegated. Sorry, I don't see any way that MYSA could rule any differently. When is the decision supposed to be made? I am curious to see what decision MYSA makes.
Why is it so important for the 15 blue team to get special treatment by MYSA to play up a year. MTAs blue teams dont play in the state league. The 15s have never won anything in Minnesota at their own age. If MYSA was actually in the business of challenging teams that have shown dominance in their age group, it seems Burnsville would be the choice. They dominated the state league and won state cup. It looks like they re set to play the states league again . MTA should play 15 this year.
What's at issue here? Are the U16 teams afraid of losing to this U15 bunch? Or do the U16 teams feel this team will weaken the league? What the heck does it matter if this team plays U15 or U16 premier? Or is it just political? What's the real driving issue behind all the acrimony on this topic?
1:24 The issue is the ability to read. They are a U15 team, they won a weak U14 MRL first division last spring and lost in the finals of state cup at U14 also last spring. Meeting either one of those two criteria qualifies them to play U15 prem this year. If its true that the coach applied for this position, IMO must be a parent backed idea that he did nt think through.
how much do you want to bet that 95% of those espousing opinions on this subject have no direct connection/involvement to the U16 age group in question.
Looks like some people still don't get it. We can all agree that the U15 Blues are qualified to play U15 P, not U16. Now the decision is up to the MYSA. If I was a coach of one of the three teams relegated last year, i would at least attend the meeting deciding this issue and make my feelings known. (Parents too). MTAers, where will your arrogance end? First, U15 Premier is beneath your team,you chose to play MRL and the other alphabet league. Now, you want back in to MYSA, but on your terms. If this is parent driven, parents get over yourselves, your team isn't anything special. Win at 15 then lets talk.
15 is not beneath that team. They would be more successful at 16 prem. Again....why the fear of the 15 league? Really, the state league is just a great opportunity for subs to quality playing time. Last time they played up.... they did not win 1 game.....pleeeease.
from what i'm reading sounds like a lot of worried current u16 parents or disgruntled u16 recently relegated parents. if not them, then who else, or better yet - why else?
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Any scrimmages of note going on this weekend?
SSM U17s vs. Wayzata U17s on Sunday. Will be interesting to see how they stack up against each other.
Should be an interesting match. Wayzata is the defending State Cup champion at that age group but lost players to both MTA & EP. Not sure what kind of team they now have. Very good keepers on both sides so don't expect a very high scoring affair.
A little background at U-15. The only reason Burnsville is going to play premier in MRL is because the MTA 15's let the spot go because of ECNL.
any scrimmage reviews from SSM v WAYZ?
SSM 2 Wayz 0
Good match. Evidently, SSM has a new coach and the team looks stronger. Ex-MTA player controls mid, skilled player and scored penalty kick. Ex-Dak Rev player scored other goal. Fun to watch.
4:45 It really doesn't matter. If MTA and Bville can have one win each in the respective leagues they play in they should consider the season a success. Both teams are going to spend tens of thousands of dollars in travel costs and will be lucky to win even one game. I sure hope the "experience" is worth it. neither of these teams is likely to have any significant success outside of MN. This is clearly the weakest age group in this state (for some reason, i don't honestly know why.) but it doesn't mean that the age group is weak in other states.
These two teams should either combine their top talent to make one strong team or the best players on each team should try to find a quality opportunity up a year. Too many weak links on both team to be a regional success.
A SSM PK? at home? never heard of such a thing.
2:15 That was REALLY funny. Know exactly what you mean! I think they teach drama in the soccer program there.
Other scrimmages? How about the teams going to Disney?
Thunder website down.
Did MTA website go down as well? Seems old stuff is still accessable.
3:44 and 2:15- Handball in the box caused the PK. No drama. Besides, game was 1-0 at that point. PK was a moot point- no real chances for our girls (WYZ). Don't try and bring us into your "drama".
Good game by both teams, a great way to spend a cold day.
Um- ex-MTA player did NOT control the midfield. As a matter of fact, she only played about 45% time.
Secondly, the ex-Dak Rev player was NOT the one who scored the first goal. The first goal was scored by player #10 who is a So Cal native.
So while I agree with you that it was a good game to watch, your details are a bit off. Including the later addition that alludes to the fact that the PK was BS. The PK was legit- but SSM won the game without it. If you want to call it 1-0, fine.
Gee 7:16....I guess we were watching the game from different vantage points. I got there late so I may have missed some details, but from what I saw #10 did not score the goal and what does being from So Cal have to do with anything? If I'm wrong, sorry. And yes, the MTA player controlled the field in the second half... very talented player. I thought Wayzata looked strong and I enjoyed the game, well what I saw of it.
I thought all SSM kids were classified as Minnesotans? At least that's what's been pontificated on this blog in the past.....
The point of bringing up that #10 is a So Cal native is that the player who scored the goal was not from Dakota Rev- she came from So Cal in 2008 and has never played at Dakota Rev (or anywhere else in MN except for SSM).
The game was, indeed, a good game and was a lot of fun to watch.
I'm sorry to say it was my daughter who scored the goal. She doesn't play on the team but she stole a jersey and just jumped on the field and scored all the goals. You are all just jealous. She even scored a hat trick at half time, She's the best.
No 11:37 - my daughter is.
So it appears the Thunder pro team is defunct. I know it has been stated that MTA is a seperate entity but how can anyone be sure the revenue collected back in Aug during the tryouts is still available to be paid to enter the youth teams in the spring leagues?
I hope that money was not "lent" to the pro team in an effort to keep it afloat. Can anyone provide some form of conformation that the youth registration money is safe?
i would suggest you ask your mta coach or your respective mta director. they would be the only ones who would know and i sincerely doubt you would want to put much faith in any "confirmation" that someone would post here.
Or...
Contact the members of the MTA Executive Board.
Their e-mails are posted on the "Academy" website.
3:08 pm How much $$$ was collected at tryouts? I'm guessing just the tryout fee - nothing for league play or tournaments.
I am not with MTA but most clubs require full payment for the season right after the player commits. That would be the full payment for the league costs, not tournament or coaching fees. I think our clubs charge is about $280 at time of team acceptance.
All MTA money is seperate from the Pro team, no money was lent to the pro team. You have nothing to worry about.
I was looking at the Disney Showcase brackets.
Woodbury Inferno U18, top flight, good for them.
EP U17 is in the Copa flight again, playing noboby for the second event in a row. Only one game at DDWS complex
MTA U16 White is in the Predator flight, playing several very good teams. Two games at DDWS Complex.
If was an EP parent paying all that money to travel I would not be happy with the teams they are playing. Maybe JE does not have as much influence as she say she does.
And if I were an MTA parent, I would spend my time trying to badmouth EP and JE...oh wait, that role has already been taken.
5:02PM - huh?
4:10- Let's assume that you are NOT an EP parent. Given this fact, I would request that you shut your pie-hole and not state what you feel an EP parent SHOULD feel like.
If we were all out there stating what we would feel like if we were parents in a different situation than that which we have chosen- I would say that if I weren't an EP parent, I'd be upset that I wasn't an EP parent.
JE has accomplished more than most of the active coaches in MN today. She is no slouch, and you would do well to have a coach of her caliber both as a human being and as a teacher of sports.
Well said
Oh my gosh 9:57 remember it's almost Christmas-RELAX
Give the E.P. team and their few parents who self appointed the coach some time to simmer and slowly brew. Just dont disappoint and embarass her and underacheive if you do win state cup and go to regions and belly flop. The former members from woodbury mahhhh off their....beloved coach dearest.... and truly wished her good bye.
6:25 and 9:57 --Actually I think the real point is not that a coach unethically switched clubs and took players--probably the worst a coach can do--but that she went to a club that really couldn't provide elite competition and the parents are wasting their money. Good=good coach, maybe great player--snubbed on quality competition; Bad= can't get in the elite level out of state, one or two year club deal for the coach, leaves a scar on the record for taking players from one club to another. Not a good move.
If you're gonna leave, leave the players if you're that good of a coach you don't need to switch within your own age group, go build within another age group at another club and prove yourself all over again.
Once again, some folks all have their undies in a bunch. JE must be doing something right if they feel the need to devote their energy toward tearing her down. The constant tearing down of every coach out there is getting really old. The 2 players who left Woodbury for EP were playing a year up with Woodbury and went back to their own age group. Get over yourselves.
9:02 how is switching clubs unethical? I think 9:40 already called it on the players coming over, she must be a good coach for them to follow her.
No one from Inferno was the least bit troubled by the loss of the coach or the two underage players. Why are some bloggers?
11:02 agreed, common knowledge from within that JE and JZ had coordinated the transition for Inferno over a year ago. JZ known for expertise in taking players into their college years. JE had the team since they were 14 not sure why this is a big deal. Someone just stirring the pot.
Did anyone else notice that MA was vilified when he left WDBY and now the same thing is happening to JE?
I no longer wonder where all that hate comes from in this state.
scrimmage - heard eagen u16 vs dakrev u16 premier 2-2 tie
Who cares about a scrimmage? Does any coach worth his/her salt keep track of scrimmage records?
It's too bad that the Eagan team was relegated being part of the last place tie. Did MYSA make a rule for future three way last place ties to avoid having to relegate half of a Premier league?
Even if MYSA would make a rule on this, they probably would not interpret their own rule appropriately when needed anyway.
I'll be the first to point out MYSA's company line (despite my disagreement with part of it): You are MYSA . . . if you want the change, then make the rule change. The error in that philosophy is that they do have the bully pulpit and it needs to be sold better to the membership if it's to take place. Now if that comes from a club, then the president's fall meeting would be a good forum for selling it to the other clubs.
Point 2: Agreed WTF are people getting their chests puffed up about scrimmages. They mean almost nothing as coaches are still figuring out what their new players' roles will be, what combos of new/old work best, etc. As a coach, I use scrimmages during the winter for way more experimentation than any games that mean anything in league. Most of the coaches by this time haven't even seen their HS-age players for more than a few times per week for 4 weeks.
Point 3: Since when did players become property??? Clubs don't commit to keeping a player on a specific team for more than the one-year, why should a player be expected to have more loyalty than the club does? I think we all need to review one of the last articles penned by Ian Barker in Soccer Times regarding player movement. We don't own them, they should be able to move to any club that provides them with an opportunity that fits them better (in THEIR opinion, not yours).
11:02 Not bothered at all. I think it's more of a joke that she's transfers a team to EP then they don't get any competition when they travel out of state.
11:13, how is that a joke?? Team placement isn't determined by who the new coach is. Connections help, but are no guarantee. Any tournament places teams based on the team's record primarily.
EP is not even a State Cup Champ from lowly MN. Where do you expect them to be placed in Nat'l tourneys? BTW, based on meaningless scrimmages, EP should be thankful that they have not been put in the upper flights.
what's up with all the EP hatin'? hadn't heard a peep out that team this fall. sounds like a few folks not yet into the Christmas spirit looking to stir things up. Catch the Holiday Happiness - you are running out of time!
11:12, re #3. As Herb Brooks said:"When you pull on that jersey, you represent yourself and your teammates. And the name on the front is a hell of alot more important than the one on the back! Get that through your head!"
Why is is soccer parents feel they need to showcase thier DD like a prize poodle. Parents...get a life its not about you...its about your child!
Well said 1:47...They use Club Soccer as vacations. Instead of putting your player on a plane and say good luck, you all pack the luggage and go....Give it a rest
@10:30 They did pass a new rule. It's on the rules section of the website under new rules passed at the AGM.
Why would anyone get their kid interested in soccer.It's not even an American sport.There are so many more American sports.Why soccer?
2:21- Sorry if some of us actually enjoy watching our children participate in the activities they love.
I am sure that you practice what you preach, right? You do things like drop your children off at their school and go out to eat during their musicals, concerts, high school sporting events, etc. right? Some of us have children who are committed to a single sport, so the analogy DOES fit.
3:34...right, got it. Hope they are all grown up when it comes time to leave the roost.
I think the question was how do kids get interested in soccer in the first place.
8:40- COP OUT. Can you answer the question? I am confident that my child will be just fine when it comes time to leave the roost-- considering she doesn't live in our family's roost presently. All the more reason to go to her games and watch, wherever they may be.
Now, how about an answer from you? Do you attend your child's extracurricular activities? If so, how is this different than traveling to tournaments to watch them play?
Well, I guess that answers that. Practice what you preach 2:21/8:40 or you will be called on it. Don't say stupid stuff and you won't have to cower in the corner until people stop holding you accountable.
I heard a rumor that the U16 premier league will be adding a team. Does anyone know the details?
6:29 - Details? I think you're sadly mistaken, but details?
If so my guess is that it is either the U16 Blue or the U15 Blue team, since they both qualified for MRL Premier.
Looks like MA has moved on well. Just saw the release of his company's new partnership with the ECNL.
http://eliteclubsnationalleague.com/default_css.aspx
Wonder if there will be a Tank the Game skillzy set coming out. ;) Just having some fun. MA is a really great guy and I wish him well.
629 If you could go to your source and get more information that would be great. I can't imagine which team would be joining that league unless one of the relegated teams is applying?
848 Are you referring to MTA's 15 and 16 blue?
Why would a High School student want a skillzy's? Makes no sense to me at all. I think for the little kids, but come on... high school kids playing high level club soccer!?
I can just see it now, Hello Sally, This coach Anson Dorrance from North Carloina, I hear you are interested in our program. Can you tell me a little about your accomplishments, Well I play on the National team, I lead my team in Points, I have a 4.O GPA, but my most prized accomplishment is I have earned the full set of basic Skillzys tags and am currently devoting myself to mastering and collecting every Skillzy that is made. Actually I think skillzy's are a good idea for younger kids but don't quite get it for older kids at U15 and above, and I thought ECNL was U15 and above? Maybe I'm wrong about the younger ages.
The skillzy being used for the ECNL are the tournament skillzy, it just shows the tournament logo with the team name on it. This is instead of the pins you get at most of these events.
MA company is doing very well in the tournament market as it is something different from the pins and can be personalized for each participating team.
It is still kind of juvenile. That is great that MA is doing well in the tournament market.
12:16 Juvenile?? correct, this is for kids not adults so it is supposed to be juvenile!!
I don't think anyone that knows MA thought that MTA not renewing his contract was the end of his soccer involvement in Minnesota and the budding success of his new company highlights the fact that MTA lost arguably one of the top soccer idea generators and marketers in the country. I'm not saying MTA should have kept him but they obviously don't have anyone in the current system who can do what he did with Woobury/Bangu/MTA.
I've seen a number of local teams and clubs begin implementing the skillzys idea (my team included) and I think it's great for the younger players. I would really be surprised however if an ECNL coach is putting skillzys to use, but who knows. MA seemed to find some success with it at his HS. It will be interesting to see the extent of the partnership and if the ECNL promotes the concept to the younger teams in their member clubs or if this is just another soccer gimmick that comes and goes. I'm in the minority of bloggers on this site that have a ton of respect for the guy, thank him for his role in Minnesota girls soccer, and wish him well.
12:50 - actually I think there are a lot of folks like yourself that have a ton of respect for him, it's just that there is a very vocal minority that don't like him.
Isn't Abboud still working in MTA as a coach?
1242 - These are young adults looking to be recruited by colleges. I think it's great that you love the skillzy's. I'm not a huge fan of them for the older kids. I do think they are nice for the younger kids as it gives them something to work towards. I'm not knocking MA, but rather the idea at the older ages. My kid does not work hard for Skillzy's! I pretty sure she doesn't need that stuff hanging off her bag.
Don’t bash MTA decision makers for letting MA go. They obviously had their reasons and it was a decision that was backed by the likes of proven elite coaches like Storlien and Cook. They probably didn’t want to deal with the baggage that MA brought with him though, ironically, MTA is MTA because of him.
However I agree that MA is one of the sharpest soccer minds to ever come out of this state and he obviously can develop soccer talent. Most of MTA’s girls teams U17 and younger owe some of their success to the guy’s involvement with them as does the Infero and the “top HS team in the nation”. And though the guys is focused on the girls side of things, MN elite boys owe him a debt of gratitude as well as they would not have come together at certain age groups without the MTA banner. His own HS team didn’t fair too bad this fall either and I know from talking to a couple of the team’s parents that Skillzys were introduced and used.
The company concept is pure genius for the younger age groups and I’ve seen them on the backpacks of many of my club’s (St Croix) kids. To allow coaches to focus their players on specific technique and encourage the players to try the move and combinations in games is a great idea. I see this taking off for maybe the U12s or U13s and younger. For the older kids, I don’t think it will be as effective nor do I think that is the company’s target market. We’re going to use them to some extent with our U15 boys but doubt that the excitement of earning them will be like it is with the younger teams.
Love him or hate him his ideas have helped spur Minnesota soccer to the next level.
REV's 13's and 15's used them last year at out of state tournaments as gifts for the teams they played and they where much appreciated.
"proven elite coaches like Storlien and Cook" well you got it half right. Cook can't carry Storlien's water.
4:45
Have nt looked at this blog for awhile.... seems more negative than ever.
U15 being the weakest age in Minnesota is absurd. The fact that MTA blue elected not to play MRL premiere has nothing to do with Burnsvilles promotion. The FACT is, they were promoted because FC United (whom BVL beat)players are playing HS.Also from BVLs first div. last year FC Milwaukee blue (whom tied BVL)a region semi-finalist,players are playing HS. The fact that BVL finished third in last years MRL first div is due to a no play vs the leagues last place team. Im not stirring any pot or saying that anyone is better than anyone else,those are the facts.
U-15 is clearly the weakest age group in MN. Not stirring any pot, those are just the facts.
11;31
Respectfully;
State those facts.
Both top U15 teams can't beat the two top U14 teams for starters.
1131,
That comment is so off base.
There were two in that age group teams that did well in MRL last year. One team won their division the other team was at the top of their division. Both teams would be in the premiere league this year if MTA didn't opt for ECNL. They are two very competative closley matched teams. I do think one of them is a bit better than the other (I'll let you guess which one) and if they played each other 10 times one team would win 5, one team would win 3 and they'd tie twice.
If you combined the top talent on those two teams they would make a serious run at regionals and hold their own against most U15 teams.
1217
not true
12:17 What are you talking about!
1217, please pass whatever you are on!!
11:44 I too think the 15 age group is weak in MN. Both Burnsville and MTA are respectible but are barely average in the regional picture.
Burnsville wins State Cup and then gets destroyed at regionals. Earns a birth into the MRL Premier league (good) but with further digging we find that they really got in as a third place finisher in the spring MRL who's highest rated team (gotsoccer) is only rated 114 with half of it's points generated by feeding off of the other weaker teams in that league.
MTA same story just a different league. the highest rated team in their league is only rated #163 with near all of their points from the league itself. Now the ECNL league- first weekend was a huge bust. Will it get better? we'll know soon.
Someone mentioned that if you combined the two teams you would have a real strong team. I agree. But really at what age group in MN wouldn't this be true? Other ages have regionally strong teams.
13 MTA
14 REV
15 ---
16 MTA
17 EP
18 Woodbury
That's the best I can do to attach "facts" to the "weak" statement (which was not mine I just agree). I really find it hard to believe either team will win a game in either MRL or ECNL this year.
Where are the facts to back up that the U17 EP team is "regionally strong"? I have seen nothing to prove this, and as a matter of fact have had it reported by atleast one college coach who attended the College Cup that there was "nothing special about the U17 EP team at all outside of a single player or two. The team does not seem to fit well together...."
Folks- I don't make up the facts, just report them.
Jury is out on the U18 Inferno team, the downhill slide began a couple years ago for them. Are they still competitive (not even sure they really were ever regionally competitive).
As far as U13 and U14- who cares. Once the other kids catch up to any "early developers"- these "regionally competitive" teams change faster than a Tiger Woods girlfriend voicemail greeting.
So guess 16 is it =)
318, Got soccer rankings are a joke.
4:33- Before you come to any conclusions about the motivation or that I am a U16 MTA parent, I can't speak about the age group at all. I have no knowledge of whether or not they are a "regionally competitive" team or not. I gave that team a pass, because I just flat don't know.
4:48 agree Gotsoccer is not by any means perfect,,,But it is one way to quantify a teams level of play relative to the others in their age group. the difference between a team rated 200 vs 300 is nothing but as you get to the rankings of the top 50-75 in each age group the ratings actually are a pretty good benchmark of a teams comparative ability against the other top teams in the country.
Has anyone read the updated rules from the AGM? I realize I am probably way behind the times, but I have time to look at this stuff now. If I am correct, it appears as though MYSA has actually taken a step forward toward a system which makes some sense? (I am really afraid that the end of the world is coming now!)
It appears to me that MYSA has just made a loophole for teams to be placed in MYSA Premier League possible without previous year's promotion. Does anyone else read the new rule this way also? It says:
11.3 Teams Playing in the US Youth Soccer National League-Midwest Region
a. Teams that played in the US Youth Soccer National League-Midwest Region in the previous season and that finished first or second in the previous MYSA State Cup competition may apply for the MYSA Premier league by submitting their request to the MYSA Competitive Committee by the published deadline. The teams must have 50%, plus one player, returning from the previous year’s roster to compete.
Gotsoccer is in no way accurate, its a great source to see head to head scores...thats it.
Gotsoccer is in no way accurate, its a great source to see head to head scores...thats it.
Based on that may be MTA white that want to play U16 premier
Come on people, Rankings!? If you all have noticed, if your not in the ECNL anymore, then you arent going to be playing the top teams in any tournament. Just the way things are. You all can jump up and down if your team is ranked, but what good is it?? WoW, our team is ranked. Big freaking deal. Scouts dont look at rankings, they are looking at players. And right now, the ECNL league is the new hot league for scouts to go watch. GotSoccer rankings to be used to put you with other teams in the same W/L brackets dont matter anymore. ECNL Baby.
Thanks dad!
10:47- Please see my post of a few weeks ago. I was in San Diego at Surf Cup, and giving College Coaches player profiles. I would estimate that I could have thrown rocks and hit nearly 300 coaches. These coaches weren't "rabble", they ranged from USC, Penn State, North Carolina, to Community Colleges. Full gamut, all looking for players. However, I will tell you that most from D2 up were looking at 2012s not the 2011s. It seems as though the 2011 bucket is pretty empty for most schools.
And, I might add that I was NOT in attendance with an ECNL team. So puff up all you want, ECNL is a good thing but not a reason to flock to MTA. Nice try though.
someone should also add that ECNL is obviously not perfect. Sure, MTA is playing some of the best teams in the Country with no patsys. But what about the teams that have to play AGAINST MTA? They aren't getting the same deal, MTA definately is no Eclipse, PDA, Texans, Surf, etc.
How does it feel to be the patsy of a league (again)?
Patsy??? is that what they call your daughter's team?
My daughter has played 3 games in ECNL and won 2 of them and tied the other.
Get informed before you stick that other foot in your mouth.
Wow. Who did you play and where were they ranked? Are they REALLY National Level teams? Would you have ever have seen them playing at USYS Nationals? I didn't think so. Congratulations on beating teams ranked below 20 in thier Region. There is nothing special about the competition you have played to this point. Let's talk after you play the teams at the top of the table.
I did not stick my foot in my mouth. As a whole MTA is definately not a club anyone in ECNL is afraid to play. Keep in mind that overall, MTA has a combined record of 3-4-2.
someone sure got their undies in a bunch, I over heard someone whose daughter is a MTA player U11 or U12 refer to his daughters ECNL team. I thought ECNL was U15 and above. If so then boy are they passing out the Kool-aid with extra sugar.
101,
You wonder why people take pot shots at MTA. The arrogance that 90% of you exude is ridiculous. Most of the kids on those teams are a little above average ability who happen to play on teams with some very talented players. Those talented players are the reasons you win not your DD's. 60 % of each team is interchangeable, but yet you think your s**t don't stink.
MTA has two girls teams that are very good (13 and 16). The balance of the teams are not even the front runners in MN. Most of the white,grey black teams etc. are barely able to even be considered average.
203, can you hear it? It's the angry typing of the white team parents about to respond and the U14, U15, U17, and U18.
I love the rev at u14 is a regionally competitive team. i assume the 'region' being the south metro given they couldn't win state cup last year over an EP team that was non-competitive at actual regionals. we all know there are a great many 'rev fanatics' on this board but that one could be a topper
1:56,
And you're the perfect example of a parent who wouldn't know talent if it hit you between the eyes.
If it's so easy to do why don't you go out and build a team that will win at State Cup.
3:03- What does your argument have anything to do with? How can you make the assessment that 1:56 can't spot talent just because he/she pointed out the truth that there are only a few who are carrying most teams?
Funny thing is this- I have known many parents with National team, National pool, Regional Players, and State ODP players. None of the parents of the "real deal" kids are quite as defensive or arrogant as you are. The way you respond to adversity says alot. It is much like "little man syndrome".
3:03 Build a team???? How about develop players through your own training to "build" your team. the MTA way is to recruit top talent and then try to organize those top players into a competitive team. Some have had success, others , not so much. Don't preach to us about building anything. building starts with a strong foundation, that means starting from the bottom and building your way up.
3:03,
Look at the talent on all the MTA young boys and girls team. You think those kids all cam from different clubs?
How do you think the Eclipse, Magic, Solar etc form their teams?
You have little clue how teams capable of playing regionally and hopefully nationally are formed. I suggest you do a little research. Kids on those teams aren't all from 1 or 2 zipcodes.
You're the ones with the syndromes...the jealousy and envy syndromes because your kids can't make it at that level.
Happy Holidays to all you losers who get riled up on this site. It is the holiday season, sit back enjoy your family and get off this stupid blog. MTA vs the world will never change so give up and move on to more important things. Like spending time with your family over the holiday season.
Before you tell me to do the same thing, I don't read this site everyday or once a month for that matter, just bored at work and thought it would be fun to see if anything new is being discussed but who am i kidding, it is the same old tired arguments from the same old tired people.
Happy Holidays.
Happy Holidays to all you losers who get riled up on this site. It is the holiday season, sit back enjoy your family and get off this stupid blog. MTA vs the world will never change so give up and move on to more important things. Like spending time with your family over the holiday season.
Before you tell me to do the same thing, I don't read this site everyday or once a month for that matter, just bored at work and thought it would be fun to see if anything new is being discussed but who am i kidding, it is the same old tired arguments from the same old tired people.
Happy Holidays.
4:27- And every time you do, you double post.
4:27 agreed. Parents of players who can play, don't take cheap shots at non MTA players/teams. The little man syndrome is again appearing here in abundance. His daughter is a "white" MTA 16 team player and yes, he does literally have "little man's syndrome" because he is a physically "little man".
7:22,
And you're a "big man" whining about kid's soccer?
Grow up and get on to better things in life rather than worrying about another kid's team.
What's your problem? Just let the kids and parents play for the team they choose.
It's their decision so why worry about what others do?
Because we are tired of hearing about how great it is that MTA is playing in ECNL because nothing anyone else does matters.
MTA folks, quit being tools and people wont hate on you.
merry christmas
9:24,
Amen!
Worry about your own kid and let other parents worry about theirs.
Life is too short to whine and worry about what you can't control!
Merry Christmas!
Funny, I think that the same arguments were made by the Shattuck parents about a year ago. MTA parents wouldn't let it go then? Looks like the shoe is on the other foot now Goobers.
ECNL Article:
http://www.mnthunder.com/academy/igsbase/igstemplate.cfm?SRC=MD006&SRCN=articledetails&GnavID=28&SnavID=70&TnavID=&NewsID=125&NewsCatIDdisplay=&KeywordSearch=
That is really great, now besides being named to an "All Tournament Team"- what does this gain anyone?
It is interesting that they discuss this on the MTA website, and then post what the "All Star Team" or whatever is all about- and I quote:
"Designed to identify players with national team potential, the ECNL Player Identification Program focuses on the 1994 and 1995 birth years for the 2009-10 season and will expand to include additional age groups in 2010-11. Over 15 ECNL scouts were in attendance at the ECNL Final Four Showcase."
Um, unless she is playing up a significant number of years (like 3-4 years) then this means nothing according to the above quote. Because a U17 player is definately not 1994-1995 birth year. Now, please don't let this feel like a slight to the player- congratulations to her. It seems like a great accomplishment.
Good on her for making this accomplishment, but it isn't a route to National Teams. Nice try MTA marketing machine.
It's great this new ECNL league give college coaches the opportunity to see so many top flight players and teams at on venue.
This helps greatly when schools have seen travel budgets slashed due to the economic environment.
7:49,
I'm assuming you mean travel budget for recruiting?
Our team travel budget wasn't reduced but our recruiting travel budget was cut about 30%.
The new ECNL will make it more efficient to see as many strong teams/players with less travel expense which is a godsend.
We're happy to see this league come about.
1:17- you forgot to sign your note-
Marketing/Recruitment Director, MTA
You don't expect anyone to believe that a college coach is on this site reading all this BS, do you? How stoopid do you think the rest of us be?
Wow...so many cynics. Grow up people.
23/12/09 12:56 PM
The ECNL has an ECNL Jrs Series designed for U12-u14 to be just a competitive series: 4 guaranteed games against top competition. The St. Louis Fall Cup was to be MTA's entry for the 12's and 14's but it got canceled. Two more events in April for the ECNL Jrs. for MTA's 12's, 13's and 14's this year. So what you probably overheard was a parent referring to the 12's or 14's since they have been organized. You were wrong and the parent was right.
It looks like MTA is trying to getr their U15 team in the U16-P league. This is from the Competative Committee meeting minutes on the MYSA Web site: http://www.mnyouthsoccer.org/about/minutes/compdec09.pdf
"MTE petition – David Alberti presented MN Thunder Academy East’s request for placement of their U15 MW girl’s team at U16 premier. Minnesota Thunder Academy East petition was tabled until more clarification could be given."
Why would they allow a younger team into that league?
That would be total B.S. if it is allowed. Let them play their own age if that is what they EARNED. MN Premier league should NEVER allow a younger team to play up unless they earned the position though playing up in MYSA league or Midwest league where they qualified for the one year up based on their performance at that age.
This team alreagy tried Playing up to Premier at U-14 (they were 13) and got relegated. (Well at least the Bangu side of the team).
MYSA needs to reject this proposal.
You said "this team already tried playing up to premier at 14..."
That is precisely why MYSA has no choice but to allow this placement. That is the last competitive level for this team and they meet all the other rule requirements (MRL and state cup finals). To me, the rule is clear and there is no choice but to place them at 16P (like it or not and I tend to come down on the not side).
They would be a great addition to the league.
8:46 - They were relagated as well.
9:21,
It doesn't matter what the result was when they were in that league. If you read the rules that 8:46 referred to, they meet the criterea for placement in that league. Unlike, 8:46, I come down on the like it side. I think that team would be competative in that league.
Before you go all off on me, no I am not a parent of a girl on that team. My daughter does play for a team in that league, and the MTA team looked good in a scrimmage against my daughter's team over the weekend. From what I saw in that scrimmage, that team belongs at 16 premiere.
9:35 - Where was that scrimmage? Any additional information? Any other scrimmages over the weekend? Out of State tournaments for MN teams?
The scrimmage was Saturday in Rosemount. MTA won 4-0, but it was closer than that.
what team did they play?
MTA 15's BEAT REV 16's same teams next weekend again, MTA looked good both teams where missing many players and used guest players.
Some things never change. Death,Taxes and MTA rules.
You mean some things never change for the better.
Why did they not play C1 (one year up) and try to earn their spot in Premier again? So, if this is approved, what keeps a team who is relegated from taking a year off of MYSA leagues and then petitioning to be placed back into the very status they were relegated from? IF they were relegated, they didn't belong at that competitive level- that is the purpose of relegation/promotion.
The rules, while clear I'll agree, don't specifically allow or disallow for placement of teams at one year up. Did they play a year up in State Cup? How about MRL? If not, then I don't see how they have a legal leg to stand on. The rule assumes that you are petitioning (and meet the requirements) for placement into the same age group from previous season. Doesn't it?
Another great rule from MYSA! One that can't even be clearly interpreted in its FIRST use! Great minds, I tell you.
1:32, you're right. I think the rule does make the assumption that you are petitioning for placement into the same age group, but that was the last level (this year's U-16) that team played at in Minnesota, so I'm not sure MYSA has any choice.
That said, If they are placed at U-16 premiere, they may very well be relegated after this year as well, that should solve that.
I say let them play and embarrass themselves. That will be good entertainment.
Maybe they don't want to face Burnsville again.
If they play U16 they will finish top three.
They sure could finish top three. U16 P is pretty weak.
I wonder if the objections are coming from other teams in that league. Maybe they'd be the ones embarrassed if their DD lost to a team of 15 year olds.
Everyone needs to look on the BRIGHT side of th MTA U15. After this year is over we only have to listen to the obnoxious parent group of that team for 3 more years or maybe 3 plus years doesn't have a bright side. I was wondering can you please tell us how great they really are and why they deserve the Moon when they aren't even the top team at their age group in Minnesota?
Have a team in the league would love to have the 15's in it two more good games will only help kids get better.
So, the precocious 15s will take the spot of the 16 Grays?? Why?? if the 16P league is so weak, whats the point? What happens to the lowest 16 team? is there still a 16 Gray team? Is it now rebranded the "red" team to mirror the pro teams financial situation?
What happened to the petition from the 3 relegated teams at 15/16 to keep their Premier status?? All three of those teams are better than two of the three teams that were promoted, and better than those snotty little MTA 15s.
The Grey MTA team is now the Silver team and will plat U16 premier.
Don't know if NSSA and Eagan tried to get back into league they both play MRL, think Wayzatta folded.
If 15's are accepted league will have seven teams.
The Grey MTA team is now the Silver team and will plat U16 premier.
Don't know if NSSA and Eagan tried to get back into league they both play MRL, think Wayzatta folded.
If 15's are accepted league will have seven teams.
What does it matter what the ruling is? It can always be overturned and retroactively enforced.
MTA 15's will be competitive at 16. They are a talented bunch. I do however believe they should play at their own age. The team was relegated to C1 so if they want to play up it should be at 16c1. They will be very dominant at that class. They (because of their MRL Premeir status) could play 15 Premier if my interpretation of the rules is correct. As for them being "afraid of Burnsville" I think Burnsville should be the concerned team because the MTA kids are very strong and much improved. The main issue they have is getting thier team to show up for the events. When they are all there they are very good.
MTA has got to quit trying to manipulate the system like this. Can't they see that this is a great example of just why so many have such strong negative feelings about their club. JMO.
i have an idea...why doesn't MTA get their own blog...?
but then what would everyone whine about (who's team might get relegated out of MN premier)?
Is it manipulating the system? Aren't they doing exactly what the rules allow and is within the rules?
Clubs keep writing goofy rules to prevent other clubs from doing things and these are the unintended consequences.
Next November we'll see new rules written and it will again open up another doorway to more unintended consequences.
Worry about your own team and your own club and all will be fine.
Ok. Let's break this down logically-
1) MTA U15s competed in MRL last season, and was a State Cup finalist last year at U14. Is this right?
2) Last time this team played MYSA league, they competed a year up in Premier and were relegated to C1. Is this right?
Personal Conclusions based upon the Rule as written:
1) It seems clear that they are trying to use what they feel is a loophole to get back into MYSA Premier (which they were relegated from). It also seems very clear that MYSA should see through this ploy and rule in the appropriate manner.
2) IF there are open slots for teams in U16 MYSA Premier, those slots should go to U16 teams.
3) IF they are allowed to be placed in U16 MYSA Premier, then they should be forced to play U16 in State Cup. IF they are willing to do this, then it would be much more easy to pass as a just ruling.
I guess the question is, who really cares where this team is placed? How does cause anyone any harm?
I say allow the placement and bring 'em on. I look forward to my daughter's team playing them. Let's see what, if anything, this team has.
Not allowing a team to play at their own age in State Cup/USYS National Championship Series is against the rules of that event.
12:26
Good points, but the only relevant points are your first two. The argument stops after the first two because according to the current rules they were a state cup finalist and they played in MRL (being promoted to MRL premier) therefore they SHALL be placed in the premier league.
The other three points you make are well thought out and probably logical, but they do not speak to the rules.
Fine place them in the U-15 premier league. That's their age right? MTA leadership stop the manipulations of the rules. This doesn't pass the "smell test". Time for MTA, the club with the most State Cup Championships to be leaders OFF the field too. Play to the spirit of the rules and cut out the underhanded manipulation of the rules.
Mta will likely have to rebrand again next year due to the folding of the Pro team. Start the rebuild now by acting classy and quit trying to manipulate every situation. MTA leadership is loaded with very good soccer people but is missing so many opportunities to be true leaders of this state's soccer community. Please Stop. The 15's were relegated when they were a younger team so instead of takingg the relegation they decided not to play within the MYSA system, fine. But now they want back in due to other accomplisments. Fine. But how justification to play U-16 Premier can make sense to anyone is beyond common sense. Be true leaders and quit the "game playing". You will be rewarded far more long term by doing the right thing based on the spirit of the rules rather than the Manipulated, twisted, technicalities of the rules.
YAWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
news flash 735...
Playing in MRL is "playing within the MYSA system."
The only arguments against this placement seem to be emotional. If you look at the facts and the rules objectively, this team should be placed at U-16 P.
I don't see any "manipulation of the rules." If you don't like the rule, have it changed, oh wait, that already happened.
Bottom line is that they didn't EARN a spot to play 16P as a team. They didn't play as 15 P last year, and they didn't play 15C1 and finish at the top of that league. Three teams were relegated. All three teams beat the MTA teams when they were 13s playing up as 14P. Three new teams came in. Thats it. MTA Silver parents, if MTA takes your team's rightfully earned spot because the
15s need "development" what does that say about what they think about you and your kids?? Suckers? cash cows? If MYSA creates another 16P spot for the 15 Blues aand keeps the silver team also, shame on you.
I believe the did EARN a spot by being a state cup finalist and playing MRL. Rules are rules.
They Earned the right to play as a U15 Premier team, their true age group this year. Not U16.
11:32 - objective comments based on how the rule is technically written
12:34 - subjective comments based on opinion (shared by many)
i'm surprised mysa doesn't retroactively change the rule like they did a few years ago.
I think MYSA enacted a new rule that they could no longer retroactively change rules that would hurt a team or player status.
1:40 - did they enact it retroactively.....jk
Is this for real? MYSA just keeps tripping all over themselves with these continuous rule changes on same issues.
They have achieved what was necessary to play U15 Premier in MYSA (their rightful age). There is no "right" for them to pick and choose which MYSA Premier age group they may join. Play U15 Premier for a year, and then show that you deserve consideration to be placed ahead of other deserving U16 teams.
This team has no "right" to displace teams playing in their appropriate age groups. There is no concrete proof they belong a year up, without this proof how can anyone justify to the U16 team they would displace?
Again, in my opinion MYSA Admin as a whole need to be run out of town. They can't even write a clear rule that can be interpreted concretely the first time it is challenged.
Maybe to avoid this, you could have leagues not based upon age? Maybe it should be based upon levels? Teams should have the ability within MYSA to play appropriate skill levels- age doesn't always play a part in this. That way you don't leave anyone out by all this garbage that is being discussed now.
But, the powers that be would have to give a crap enough to stop paying attention to what is best for "this club and that club" and do WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE SPORT IN MINNESOTA. That won't happen though, because the only reason anyone at MYSA volunteers for a position is to better serve THIER CLUB AGENDA. It has little, if anything to do with the players.
Everyone should switch affiliation to US Club Soccer in MN, just to send the message that we are damn tired of this joke which is MYSA. THAT will get US Youth Soccer to get off the pot and take action to protect the game/players here.
WAKE UP PEOPLE. Until we do, we deserve all we get.
Maybe to avoid this, you could have leagues not based upon age? Maybe it should be based upon levels? Teams should have the ability within MYSA to play appropriate skill levels- age doesn't always play a part in this. That way you don't leave anyone out by all this garbage that is being discussed now.
Iowa is like this, they have the Iowa Premier Soccer League (IPSL). The funny thing about it thou, there isnt any Premier teams LOL...You will see U14s Select teams playing U16 rec teams etc..
You guys think MYSA is a joke, ha, try working with Iowa.
2:10
I do not believe they will displace any teams. The league would be expanded to seven teams.
If they don't cut the mustard they will be relegated or they may have success and maintain the spot in the league. Either way this accomplishes your wish for them to prove they belong there.
OMG, what a travesty - they might add a team at U-16 P.
Really, who cares? Also, so what? Gee, maybe teams will get to play 12 games instead of 10. Maybe they'll play against six teams instead of five.
Really, who is hurt by any of any of this? Yes, that's a rhetorical question, because the obvious answer in no one.
229, They were already relegated from this age group previously, why do they think they get the right to go back. I'm sure other U15's and U16's teams would love to be in premier. Any of the 3 teams that got demoted from the U16 age group last year would have loved to stay premier and I'm sure several of the current u15 Premier teams in the top half would have loved to play up. If they are given a spot it wouldn't have been earned and that is wrong. I believe they earned a U15 premier spot and should take that and be happy.
256, The point is they didn't earn it!!!
get real. if it wasn't a mta team the backlash would be a fraction of what it currently is (there would be some, but not much).
But they did earn it based on the rules. The last time they played in state, they played at this age group. They were MRL league champions (although just playing MRL is the standard MYSA has in their rules) and they were state cup finalists (which is also in the rules).
It doesn't matter if a teamwas relegated two years ago. They met the criteria last year. Any team that plays MRL and is a state cup finalist is placed in premier if they apply.
THEY EARNED IT!
THEY EARNED IT TO PLAY IN THE U15 PREMIER LEAGUE NOT U16 WHAT PART OF AGE RELATED DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND??
The U14P (2009) did not play in the State Cup at the U15 level in 2009. Get your facts straight 4:18. They also were MRL Champions at the age 14 age group in 2009. Not 15. They were not State Cup finalists at U15 in 2009,they were U14 finalists which make them eligible for Premier status at U15. Now, if you want to argue the point some more,go ahead. You'll just continue to show what a whiny bi**h you are.
I recall a huge backlash inregard to A St. Croix team placement.
504, 418 is a parent and will never get it,especially from that team, they feel they are entitled.
5:13 true, unfortunately it was about 18 months after the fact. the big issue there was favoritism as a board members child was on the team in question.
5:04- This is 2:10 here. You nailed exactly what I was trying to say. Fine, they have jumped through the hoops to be a U15 Premier MYSA team. They HAVE NOT earned placement into U16 MYSA Premier.
Thank you for saying what I could not find the approach to say.
I see there are teams from Eden Prairie, MTA and Wayzata at Disney. Good luck to ALL Minnesota teams in Florida
I'm not involved in girls soccer...I have boys.
Why would anyone care if that team plays U15 premier or U16 premier?
Just have your U16 premier teams run out on the pitch and teach them a lesson by showing them how U16s play.
Why all the bother with the age group they play in?
Because MYSA has put such an emphasis on "earning" the right to play at certain levels. They have, in the past, taken teams which, according to tournament results, would clearly be in the Premier status and made them play C3. That was the reason for this new ruling, to avoid this issue. NOW you have people from MTA stretching the letter of the rule, with no regard to the intent of the rule.
I don't think anyone questions the validity of them having earned the right to play U15 Premier. The rule clearly infers that by meeting the two criteria you are eligible for MYSA Premier league which is age appropriate. That is the reason for the stipulation that a team was a finalist in the previous year's State Cup. This gives MYSA the ability to make a call that the team is "good enough" to play Premier. IF the team then puts in application to play in another age group, there is no proof that the team belongs (skill wise).
And, IN FACT, there is evidence that the opposite is factual for this team. The last time they tried to play up an age at the Premier level, they were relegated. Sorry, I don't see any way that MYSA could rule any differently. When is the decision supposed to be made? I am curious to see what decision MYSA makes.
What a bunch of whiners.
Why is it so important for the 15 blue team to get special treatment by MYSA to play up a year. MTAs blue teams dont play in the state league. The 15s have never won anything in Minnesota at their own age. If MYSA was actually in the business of challenging teams that have shown dominance in their age group, it seems Burnsville would be the choice. They dominated the state league and won state cup. It looks like they re set to play the states league again . MTA should play 15 this year.
What's at issue here? Are the U16 teams afraid of losing to this U15 bunch?
Or do the U16 teams feel this team will weaken the league?
What the heck does it matter if this team plays U15 or U16 premier?
Or is it just political?
What's the real driving issue behind all the acrimony on this topic?
why not put a u14 or u13 team in there as well?
JK
1:24
The issue is the ability to read. They are a U15 team, they won a weak U14 MRL first division last spring and lost in the finals of state cup at U14 also last spring. Meeting either one of those two criteria qualifies them to play U15 prem this year. If its true that the coach applied for this position, IMO must be a parent backed idea that he did nt think through.
9:25
cross blogger
how much do you want to bet that 95% of those espousing opinions on this subject have no direct connection/involvement to the U16 age group in question.
Don't think the U16 P teams care one more team = two more good games, feel bad for the trhee teams that had 40% of points and got moved down.
Looks like some people still don't get it. We can all agree that the U15 Blues are qualified to play U15 P, not U16. Now the decision is up to the MYSA. If I was a coach of one of the three teams relegated last year, i would at least attend the meeting deciding this issue and make my feelings known. (Parents too).
MTAers, where will your arrogance end? First, U15 Premier is beneath your team,you chose to play MRL and the other alphabet league. Now, you want back in to MYSA, but on your terms. If this is parent driven, parents get over yourselves, your team isn't anything special. Win at 15 then lets talk.
3:35 - part of 2:00pm's 95%
Wrong 340, more connected than you could ever be.
Love,
335
sounds like one of the relegated team's parents to me.........
15 is not beneath that team. They would be more successful at 16 prem. Again....why the fear of the 15 league? Really, the state league is just a great opportunity for subs to quality playing time. Last time they played up.... they did not win 1 game.....pleeeease.
If the mta U15s wanna play for nothin , why dont they self appoint at U19.
from what i'm reading sounds like a lot of worried current u16 parents or disgruntled u16 recently relegated parents.
if not them, then who else, or better yet - why else?
really really REALLY sick of hearing about the U15 MTA team. Start a new topic.
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