With the recent blogger discussion regarding the soon to be SCVs U18 boys team forming under suspicious circumstances back in August 2006., a blogger recently provided the meeting minutes of the infamous DOC meeting that documents the first failed attempt to allow the team an exception to policy, and to form at the C1 level. Eventually, a vote did occur that allowed the exception. See "East Boys" section.
The votes, reintroduction, and re-votes, across several meeting may certainly be considered suspicious by some, as the DOC’s son was to be on the team that was eventually given the votes to bypass MYSA rules in team formation. The same policy that has denied other teams, without parent representation on MYSA’s DOC.
What transpired to allow the exception for a team with a DOC’s member’s son on the roster? Should MYSA provide public comment and explanation? Or at a minimum, repost minutes so that all may see who voted for and who voted against the decision?
The first post on this thread is a copy of the meeting minutes as provided by a blogger. It should be noted that the meeting minutes are marked as "draft." Additionally, minutes have been edited for length.
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Meeting Minutes
Sunday, September 10, 2006
The meeting was called to order by MYSA VP of Leagues, Michael Sherrill, at approximately 9:05 a.m.
Present: Kelley Casey, Michael Sherrill, Ann Olson, Roberta Kruse, Rollin Timm, John Seipp and Peter Jarnstrom. Attending via phone: David Carter, Adolfo Reginato and Dan Rogers
Absent: Fred Bainbridge and Larry Cecchini
Guests: Candace Daley, MYSA Executive Director; Ranae Orr, MYSA Director of League Operations; Jeff Voeller, Oryx Soccer Club; Keith Cook, Oryx Soccer Club
Agenda
There were several changes to the agenda: 1) Under North Girls add: a) NSS16GC2 petition to play C2 again in 2007 and b) NSS17GC1 to play U17 C1 again in 2007; 2) Under South Girls add Oryx petition; 3) Under West Girls delete: a) MUSU13BC3 over roster request and b) SLPU14BC201 over roster request.; and 4) Under New Business add “Fines.” Sherrill moved, Olson seconded, to approve the agenda with noted changes. The motion passed.
Kruse was appointed Sergeant-at-Arms for the meeting.
Approval of Minutes
Sherrill moved, Kruse seconded, to approve the August meeting minutes as written. The motion passed.
Announcements
None.
Presentations
The DOC heard presentations from the following:
1. Jeff Voeller and Keith Cook, ORX16GPR regarding expanding the 2007 U17 Girls Premier league to seven teams.
Old Business
Consolidation of U18/U19 Age Levels and Competitive Divisions – Sherrill moved, Olson seconded, to combine the U18/19 league structure as written on Proposal to Consolidate U18 and U19 League Structure dated August 12, 2006. The motion passed.
…….
Sherrill moved, Kruse seconded, to adjust the agenda by moving New Business to the end. The motion passed.
Southwest Boys
Nothing to report.
Southwest Girls
Nothing to report.
North Boys
Nothing to report.
North Girls
Reginato moved, Kruse seconded, to approve the petition for NSS16GC1 to play C2 in 2007. The motion passed.
Rationale: Place the team at the appropriate competitive level.
Reginato moved, Casey seconded, to allow NSS17GC1 to play U17C1 again in 2007. The motion failed.
South Boys
Nothing to report.
South Girls
Olson moved, Jarnstrom seconded, to approve the petition for the Oryx U17 girls team to remain Premier and expand the league to 7 teams. The motion failed.
East Boys
Olson moved, Kruse seconded, to allow a new St. Croix Valley U15 team to be placed at C1 rather than C3. Favor: Carter. Oppose: Casey, Olson, Timm, Kruse, Jarnstrom and Seipp. Abstain: Sherrill. Not present at the time of the vote: Reginato and Rogers. The motion failed.
East Girls
Nothing to report.
West Boys
Open
West Girls
Nothing to report.
Northwest Boys
Nothing to report.
Northwest Girls
Nothing to report.
New Business
Fines – Carter led a discussion about possibly using the fines in each district to help teams pay for the State Tournament entry fee. Daley will provide fee information to the DOC. Discussion on this topic will continue at the October DOC meeting.
Seipp led a discussion regarding the 2006 proposed amendments to bylaws/rules that relate to the DOC structure, name and procedures. It was agreed to hold off on further discussion until the Youth Council meeting scheduled for later in the day.
“For the Good of Soccer”
Game reports – There was discussion regarding the process in which the game reports were handled for Summer 2006.
The meeting was adjourned at 1:20 p.m.
Submitted by
Ranae Orr, MYSA Director of League Operations
It's obviously more than coincidence that the SCV was allowed to play at C1.
Just look at other quality teams and how they were placed into C3 leagues. Bangu had a premier quality girls team at U13 or U14 a few years ago and more recently our SSM team was forced to play C3 while the VP of Leagues son's team skates into C1.
The emperor has no clothes.
why would any motion that got shot down the first time 6 no's to 1 yes even come back up for subsequent votes?
Why is this an issue still? No I am not an SCV parent. But, seriously it's done, what is the point now. Let's get on to fixing issues at MYSA not bitching about them years later.
The system of forcing newly formed teams into C3 is d-u-m-b at best. This helps no one, good teams beating up on less competitive hurts the game and no one at MYSA seems to understand that.
How about setting up a system that allows teams to show what level they can compete at. Most clubs will have an accurate understanding of the level the kids can play at. Of course, premier should be earned in most cases, but I also disagree with the club retaining the premier status when the players decide to move as a team...
As someone who is tired of the same angry wbl person bringing up the same old scv issue, I'm starting to wonder just what the mysa is doing to soccer in this state. They make bone-headed decision after bone-headed decision (dumb C3 rule for new teams, pathetic libel/slander lawsuit a few years ago, snits with local pro team, bitching with local sports complex, refusing to work with massive national tournament, idiotic new 6-team state tournament...to name a few).
Who is driving this bus and where is it giong?
Yes 8:38, former SCV parent, who is tired of WBL parent. The difference is that previously most of this was speculation as there was no evidence. I will speculate that the meeting minutes did not come from a WBL parent, or they would have been available much sooner.
If you read MYSA minutes on a regular basis…
You soon find out they have a history of arbitrarily bending their own silly rules.
This goes back beyond 2006 and has affected more than a few select clubs.
I’ve never understood why teams can’t self select (C1, C2, C3) in the first place.
I know, I know ...
Everyone will want to play C1 and I guess we’d have some sort of soccer anarchy.
There should simply be two levels. The Premier League and The Championship. Just like the EPL. If ManU has to slaughter Hull City (or MTA has to slaughter Orono), so be it. It's good for both sides to have a buttkicking every once in a while. If the schedule is unbalanced with home v. away, so be it. The top Premier teams could still play in MRL (a la Champions League).
This would be way too complicated for MYSA to grasp and way too controversial for the soccer mommies to handle.
If SCV U17C1 Boys win tomorrow, watch for something similar to happen with next year's U18 boys premier league (Assuming that the goal of that team is to be promoted. If not, then I take it all back!)
This year's U17 Boys premier had 7 teams. (Usually there are 6.) Based on MYSA rules, 3 out of 7 should be relegated. "The last place team (Lakeville) in each Premier league is automatically relegated. If two teams tie in points for last place they will both be relegated.
b. Premier teams that score 25 percent or lower of the total number of points possible for their league
(Rochester, PSA) are automatically relegated." .
SCV U17 didn't win their league, Woodbury did. These two play for the final. MYSA rules state, " U15-19: Vacancy(ies) in the U15 through U19 leagues will be filled by the C1 league winner(s)that advance the farthest in the MYSA Summer State Tournament." Therefore, win or lose, Woodbury would be promoted. Also, Eden Prairie also won its league, and I assume they would be promoted as well. If SCV wins, will they expect to go premier? They'd have to petition if I have interpreted the above rules correctly. But hey, if that is their goal, they shouldn' t worry since there is a friendly lawyer friend, VP of Leagues, who might be able to help out in a pinch. It worked before.
It was two years ago. Nothing can be done about it now.
It would seem to me the proactive thing to do is to figure out what needs to be done to keep something similar from occurring again. To that end...we could
1) Create a rule that says you only get two bites at an appeal
2) Exclude DOC members from bring or voting on anything that involves their family or the club. Which should include anything that applies to the Club their family works for or plays for.
3) Requiring all canidates to answer 5 questions from the floor before the elections at the AGM. Or having a podcasted debate or again question and answer session sponsored by MYSA before the elections. All canidates would have to participate in order to be on the election ballots. This would hopefully be a derrient to keep others from finding loop holes or also doing unethical stuff. (If your going to have to answer for your actions and know they are questionable and unethical your more likely not to do them)
Even easier way without it being a Senate Confirmation Hearing.
Did the team score 75% or higher in the total number of points possible in their previous league? If so....let them play C1. If they did not....C3.
9:03 (idiot): the MYSA minutes regarding this have been posted for several years. We did not just go from speculation to evidence. The whiner just got his platform.
where are the susequent meeting minutes where the failed motion ending up passing? those would seem to be of more interest.
Perhaps people who are dissatisfied with the direction and operations of MYSA need to be more involved in the selection/election of board of director members. I don't know that much about it myself, but the actions of MYSA have made me start paying attention.
After reading Anon 12:28 post, (cue as the World Turns Soap Opera Music) we should ask.
Will freindly SCV Lawyer abuse his power for some other teams benefit or does he only behave unethically for his families benefit?
Will the MYSA DOC allow freindly SCV lawyer to pull the same stunt as he did two years ago, or have they learned from the past experiences?
Has MYSA and MN Soccer communities learned that somethings in life should be earned? Or has nothing changed and club shopping and team hopping will continue to replace player development?
Tune in next spring for "As the Soccer World Turns" to see if evil over comes ethics.
funny thing...watch and see what happens to the SCV team in question. Can you say "ka-boom"?
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plenty of exceptions during mergers, slots become assets, where new recruits can replace entire rosters
Dead issue . . . take care of the rules now so that people don't have to play C3 when they legitimately don't belong there. Aren't there more recent events we can piss on each other about?? For whatever reason the decision doesn't pass the sniff test, I think the team has proven itself on the field, much as most of the other teams wrongly forced to play C3 would have done if properly placed. There should be a HUGE fine however for saying or advertising in any way 'Come tryout for our C1 team' when you don't have the slot. That's just outright lying to the kids and their parents. And that has also taken place.
There are two problems:
1. MYSA treats this like a soccer mommy sport.
2. Parents and coaches overvalue the importance of playing top competition all the time.
Regarding 1: Everyone needs to be equal in the eyes of MYSA. If the Gitchi Gummis and Oronos and Hudsons weren't given equal opportunity and equal treatment, stuff would hit the fan. Shouldn't be that way. Everyone is created equal, but in sports, some people are more equal.
Regarding 2: In what other youth sport (baseball, basketball, hockey, football) is there so much emphasis for 13-16 yr olds not to play against weaker competition and to travel great distances to play against equal teams?
Solution: There should be 2 levels, Class A and Class B. The 20 best clubs get into Class A at U13. The remaining are in Class B. CA plays 19 games. No playoffs. Bottom 3 relegated to CB. CB plays balanced schedule. No playoffs. Top 3 get promoted to CA. It's too easy.
Address the problem, state a solution.
MYSA, if you need help sorting out the details, you can give me some of that money you saved by not sponsoring the Thunder. Call me.
Anybody know the results of the u15b Lakeville v Blackhawks game last night. Just curious who is heading to the final, and who will get promoted to premier next year.
Please add score if available, as it looks like Blackhawks needed 10 points or 9 points and at least 4 goals scored to tie PSA...
Just to add fuel to the fire, a new girls club is forming and they were told even if the attract C1 and premier players they still have to start at C3. Why do this to kids, as past results have shown quality teams should not be playing C3, it is not good for the teams they play against and not good for the C1/Premier team as it doesn't help in their growth either. There needs to be a better way for this to work.
Ah, no. They are forming teams where they can self select their level. The exception is U16 that will be a tournament team.
what's the name of the club?
Something can be done about it. Offending MYSA officials should be terminated.
They do it so that clubs and teams don't just appear out of thin air and ask for C1 status when they haven't earned it. It's not a perfect system, but every bubble team could just move to a new club or form a new club whenever they felt like they were unjustly kept (by rule or circumstance) from getting promoted.
Why not allow new teams and clubs to form whenever they want to?
Kinda like relegating the three ties U15G premier teams with three C1 teams. Now, that make sense.
Back to the C1 exception that was made a few years ago for the SCV team.
What kind of integrity do the leaders of MYSA have if this was allowed and so many other teams denied C1 and forced to play in C3.
Are the same leaders still in place? If so, why?
"Are the leaders still in place? If so why?"
Either their 2 year terms were not up or no one ran against them. Or the majority of the clubs don't pay attention and will vote for any smooth talker who shows up. ;)
Some of these newer clubs attract/promote club jumping. Coming in as a new team at C3 (which often gets petitioned to C2)acts as a deterrent.
Youth soccer in Minnesota is broken beyond repair. The whole lot should be thrown out on their arses and start again.
Wanted: reasonable, rational adults to run very simple youth sports program for State of Minnesota. Prefer someone with no kids, but will settle for a retiree who has no family members playing soccer in Minnesota.
There's no doubt MS used his influence to sway votes when his kid's team petitioned for C1 status a few years back.
Hopefully enough folks realize this by now as they've seen other quality teams pushed in C3 leagues.
This guy must go. We don't need guys with ethical issues in these kinds of positions. It's time for change!
All of this is boring stuff!! Let me get this straight, people are crying foul because a team recruited a few yrs ago. You have got to be kidding me!? Give this stuff a rest. This isnt deserving of its own colume. What you should be doing is out recruiting yourselfs!! Your just upset because you got beat in this game of recruiting.
9:14 - this has nothing to do with recruiting (if it did please explain that to the C3 SSM U16 girls team and the recent Bangu team).
10:09,
You really want some retired old fart who is out of touch with youth sports to run MYSA? My crystal ball shows a lot the same with that idea.
To move this discussion forward, can people list specific issues in MN youth soccer that should be fixed?
10:12,
No, I want someone who doesn't put their kid's team ahead of ethics in decision making positions on MYSA borad/committees.
Sometimes, I read this blog and think to myself "careful what your wish for".
Does anyone remember who DS replaced? Cheryl Kisch. She did not have any kids in the program and everyone complained that because she did not have any kids in the program she was keeping players from reaching their full potential. (code for my kid didn't get what I want) Another complaint they had about CK was she pretty much held the line on all the rules, no exceptions, which frustrated everyone because applying the rules to others is fine, but we/club/team are an exceptions.
Having had my chuckle this morning here is what I see are the problems in this instance.
1) MYSA membership has to realize that when they make a rule, it will be a rule that is applied to themselves. No fancy school, no big buck daddy's, no superstar national team exceptions. It is a clearly stated rule that should be no surprise to anyone.
2) MYSA membership should be able to impeach DOC members for unethical behavor. From what I have seen this instance might not pass that level as he seems to have covered his butt pretty good. (he's the guy behind the curtain)
3) We should be able to create a rule that only allows two bites at the apple. In otherwords you can't keep bringing appeals for the same team to over and over again. IMHO part of the problem here was DS wouldn't go away.
3) The membership needs more information regarding the canidates they elect.
4) The membership needs to be responsible for knowing who they elect.
hey 7/28,2:44. Pls elaborate on the is-boom! They seemed to fade away in the sunset after losing in the state cup finals... Someone said they had injuries, others said dissension regarding coach...
Typo - ka-boom, not is-boom
MA fired by MTA earlier this week
coach leaving, players scattering, no one is happy.
Aboud fired by MTA??? Any more information?
Kaasa should be fired to.
Rumors!
So, Woodbury U17B won C-1, beating SCV. Wonder if that SCV team had hoped to go premier, and if so, how would MYSA handle that?
Who is going where this summer?
What will happen with the u14 premier teams that all tied for points?
Will the MTA Blue to be 15's play MYSA?
Will MTA merge the two u13 boys team to one supper team?
Will Thunder continue to have 18 or so different directors?
Can MYSA and NSC make peace?
Will State Cup be played over a five day period instead of a month?
3;17 GIVE AN OPINION , ANSWER YOUR OWN ?
1. Apparently to Hudson.
2. U15 I believe you mean, the 3 will be relegated and cause multiple player try-outs and lots of shuffling, but degradation of the premier league.
3. MRL
4. Supper team or super team, I'm hungry. Of course they will merge.
5. Yes, they need to make an "honest" living.
6. Not in our lifetime.
7. Nope, would make life too easy.
Man, someone really doesn't like SCV. His kid must have been cut by the team in question.
Just out of curiousity how would you have State Cup over a five day period? Would it be five days in a row or would it be 2 weekends? Would you have it at multiple complex's? What complex's? Would you make teams play more than 1 game a day? Would you have qualifying rounds? Or would you only make it open only to a select few? It a nice thought but so is winning the lottery.
I think you will see a rule change proposal coming out of the south district addressing this blog's topic. Twice now in the past 3 years the C3 teams in the south have been screwed over because whoever didn't like whoever. Despite having all the info needed to place teams at an appropriate level when asked, the DOC has time and again proven they cannot or will not make the decision for the kids instead of thier own bias'. Hopefully the measure will pass and we won't have to revisit these type of issues anymore.
MYSA District Operating Committee (DOC)
Meeting Minutes
Sunday, October 15, 2006
The meeting was called to order by MYSA VP of Leagues, Michael Sherrill, at approximately 9:05 a.m.
Present: Fred Bainbridge, David Carter, Kelley Casey, Larry Cecchini, Peter Jarnstrom, Roberta Kruse, Ann Olson, John Seipp and Michael Sherrill. Attending via phone: Adolfo Reginato and Dan Rogers
Absent: Rollin Timm
Guests: Candace Daley, MYSA Executive Director; Ranae Orr, MYSA Director of League Operations; Ian McCallum, Coon Rapids Soccer Association; Annette Beach, Dusty Dennis and Linda Ergen, St. Croix Soccer Club; Cal Janacek and Nathan Klonecki, St. Croix Soccer Club
Agenda
There were several changes to the agenda: 1) Under Old Business add “Team Placement Table;” 2) Under North Boys add NWC16BC2 request; 3) Under North Girls add CRA14GC# request; 4) Under South Boys add Rochester/Dakota Rev fine waiver. Sherrill moved, Rogers seconded, to approve the agenda with noted changes. The motion passed.
Cecchini was appointed Sergeant-at-Arms for the meeting.
Approval of Minutes
The September minutes will be approved at the November meeting.
Announcements
None.
Presentations
The DOC heard presentations from the following:
1. Annette Beach, Dusty Dennis and Linda Ergen presented their request for SCVU14GC2 team to remain at C2.
2. Ian McCallum was prepared to present his request for a new CRA U14 Girls Team to be placed at C1, but since Reginato had not received documentation in advance of the meeting the matter will be addressed at the next DOC meeting.
Old Business
There was a lengthy discussion regarding allegations of a coup d’etat of DOC power and authority by the VPL and MYSA Office Staff. The topics discussed included VP of Leagues’ duties and responsibilities, District Director’s duties and responsibilities, staff duties and responsibilities, and the duties and responsibilities of the Executive Committee. Specific discussions were had as to the relative roles each of these offices hold regarding Harvest Fest and hanlding of game reports.
Sherrill moved, Bainbridge seconded, to adjust the agenda to allow two new guests from SCV to make their presentation. The motion passed. Abstain: Sherrill.
Presentations (continued)
3. Nathan Klonecki and Cal Janacek presented their request for a new SCV U15 Boys Team to be placed at C1.
Old Business (continued)
Calendar for 2007 – Seipp moved, Jarnstrom seconded, to change a) team, coach and player submittal due date from August 9 to August 13; b) league formation meeting date from August 13 to August 15; c) preliminary schedules to field coordinators due date from August 22 to August 23. The motion passed. Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Carter moved, Rogers seconded, to change DOC meeting dates from September 8 to September 9 and October 13 to October 14. The motion passed. Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato.
Fines – Carter led a discussion on how fines are allocated to each District, how fines are assessed and payment of fines. Going forward, each District Director will receive a monthly report at DOC meetings informing them of how much fine money is available in their District. At the December meeting each year, the DOC will discuss how best to use this money for the upcoming year. Carter moved, Jarnstrom seconded, to change the current process of assessing fines from sending the fine to the team and copying the club, to sending the fine to the club and copying the team. The motion passed. Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. There was a brief discussion as to whether or not outstanding fines should affect just the team assessed the fine or the entire club.
Team Placement Table – Jarnstrom handed out a DOC Team Placement Decision table and led a brief discussion on the results. Jarnstrom asked the District Directors to review and be prepared to give feedback at a future DOC meeting.
New Business
Referee Discipline – Reginato and Seipp led a discussion about referee disciplinary action. Reginato said that Federation policy states that only the state association (MYSA) can discipline referees and that the Minnesota State Referee Committee (SRC) is looking to the DOC to give the SRC the power and authority to discipline referees instead. Sherrill moved, Carter seconded, to create a subcommittee to work with the SRC to address the referee discipline matter. The subcommittee members will be Jarnstrom, Rogers and Seipp. The motion passed. Abstain: Sherrill.
Dual Registration – Seipp led a brief discussion asking for clarification about what exactly constitutes dual registration. Daley, Orr and MYSA President Bob Poretti will find out more information at the upcoming Region II Meeting and report back its findings to the DOC.
Proposed Changes to the Competitive Match Report – The Education Committee would like to change some of the wording in the OATHS Evaluation box to more closely align with PACT language. Sherrill moved, Olson seconded, to approve the new language. The motion passed. Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Jarnstrom moved, Olson seconded, to reconsider the original motion. The motion failed. Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. It was agreed that a revision date should be added to the bottom of the Competitive Match Report going forward.
Harvest Fest Seeds – Sherrill led a discussion on the current process for allocating seeds for Harvest Fest. Sherrill moved, Carter seconded, that telephony-closing information should be sent to the District Directors so that they can adjust the seeds for Harvest Fest. The motion passed. Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato.
Southwest Boys
Nothing to report.
Southwest Girls
Nothing to report.
North Boys
Casey presented the NWC16BC2 request to be promoted to C1. Sherrill ruled the matter out of order as the required petition form containing the information necessary to allow the DOC to make an informed decision had not been received.
North Girls
The CRA14G## request was not presented as the required petition form containing the information necessary to allow the DOC to make an informed decision had not been received in advance of the meeting. The matter will be addressed at the next DOC meeting.
South Boys
Seipp stated for the record and Sherrill confirmed that Sherrill waived a fine assessed against Rochester and Dakota Rev for failure to play a game based upon the highly unusual circumstances in the matter (a series of events involving weather problems and the tragic death of a schoolmate) and not because an exception was being made at the U9/U10 playing level.
South Girls
Nothing to report.
East Boys
Seipp moved, Bainbridge seconded, to reconsider a previous DOC meeting motion concerning the SCVU15 Boys new team request to play at C1. The motion passed. Roll Call - Favor: Bainbridge, Carter, Casey, Cecchini, Jarnstrom, Kruse and Rogers; Oppose: Olson and Seipp; Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Bainbridge moved, Carter seconded, to grant the SCVU15 Boys new team request to play at C1. The motion failed. Roll Call – Favor: Bainbridge, Carter, Jarnstrom and Rogers; Oppose: Casey, Cecchini, Kruse, Olson and Seipp; Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Rationale: Club jumping or raiding may be a concern as some of the proposed players played for clubs other than SCV last year.
Casey moved, Carter seconded, to reconsider the original motion. The motion passed. Roll Call – Favor: Bainbridge, Carter, Casey, Jarnstrom and Rogers; Oppose: Cecchini, Kruse, Olson and Seipp; Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Casey moved, Carter seconded, to grant the SCVU15 Boys new team request to play at C1. The motion passed. Roll Call – Favor: Bainbridge, Carter, Casey, Jarnstrom and Rogers; Oppose: Cecchini, Kruse, Olson and Seipp; Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Rationale: Facts as presented, including players listed on the petition form prepared by SCV, do not suggest that an intact team was club jumping. Granting of the petition places the team at the proper competitive division while still preventing the eight players on the putative SCV roster who left a premier team from another club from effectively taking the premier berth from their old club to the new club.
East Girls
Cecchini moved, Bainbridge seconded, to allow SCVU14GC3 team to play at C2; thereby avoiding relegation. The motion failed. Abstain: Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Rationale: Based on the team’s on-field performance, relegation is appropriate. The DOC finds no overriding justification for a variance in the team’s competitive placement.
West Boys
Sherrill moved, Bainbridge seconded, to allow EDPU17BC3 team to play at C2; thereby avoiding relegation. The motion passed. Abstain: Seipp and Sherrill; Not present for the vote: Reginato. Rationale: Team finished league play with 30% of total points indicating that they were competitive within the league. The “on field” competitive nature of this team at C2 was further emphasized by the fact that one of the team’s losses was a forfeit to the second to last place team.
West Girls
Nothing to report.
Northwest Boys
Nothing to report.
Northwest Girls
Nothing to report.
“For the Good of Soccer”
It was agreed that the next DOC meeting will be held on Saturday, November 11, 2006, at the MYSA office.
The meeting was adjourned at approximately 1:00 p.m.
Submitted by
Candace Daley, MYSA Executive Director
What a crock...how do these people look in the mirror?
Talk about looking in a mirror - a REAR VIEW mirror! Who cares what happened two or three years ago? Get over it.
Just heard from a good source that MTA's golden boy MA is no longer with MTA. No Rumor!!!!
Seriously...if you want to reference past meeting minutes...use a hyperlink.
Check out the link below on the relationship Sounders FC and Washington Youth Soccer created. Glad to know at least one pro team and state association are playing nice.
http://www.soundersfc.com/Youth/Youth-Teams.aspx
Summary: Sounders FC and Washington Youth Soccer form relationship to serve as another avenue for those youth players who want to play at a elite level.
Maybe MA's Skillzys® has taken off and he realizes he can make money without the headache of coaching ...
how do these citations apply to todays situation
8:39,
Interesting article.
Nice to see that a progressive state youth soccer organization like that in Washington recognizes the value in having the top pro team in the state involved in youth soccer.
It's good to see some organizations have moved beyond the petty politics we see.
11:05- Are you serious? All of these issues give background which show how things have been handled in the past when someone in MYSA has a stake in them. Compare these situations and outcomes to today and how (for example the SSM U16G) were handled, and you might understand?
11:05- Are you serious? All of these issues give background which show how things have been handled in the past when someone in MYSA has a stake in them. Compare these situations and outcomes to today and how (for example the SSM U16G) were handled, and you might understand?
11:04PM, nice try. I know Mark and he’s not dumb enough to come on this blog, a blog that surely can track IP addresses, and tout his company. You added in his registered trademark as if you’re really him in disguise - devious.
If Mark was fired from MTA, which I have yet to confirm, that would be a real shame for elite soccer in this state. I do know he didn't resign. Was thinking about it but in the end said they'd have to fire him.
If it is tue, MTA has lost its visionary and the most knowledgeable youth coach in Minnesota at the younger age groups. Executive Board member and ex-Bangu leader Bob H resigned earlier this summer. With Mark out, that leaves only Cook and Storlien left to carry on the Bangu elite vision in the midst of ex-Wings people. That is fantastic news for the CCs if ex-Wings people are now in control of the MTA show. How long with Cook and Storlien last?
On the positive side, this might open doors for MTA to work with others - including MYSA - who have spurned the program using Mark as their excuse to do so. My hunch is that these people will now find another excuse to use, but maybe this is the start of a new era in MN elite soccer.
If Mark is gone from the youth club business, I for one say thanks for the last decade and for the memories my friend! Youth soccer in this state and this blog will never be the same.
According to the different teams websites looks like it will be nine premier teams at u16 girls next year, a lot of dissapointed kids if that is not what MYSA decides.
I think it's funny that the whole Bangu/MTA world thinks MYSA is somehow 'after' them. Play within the rules as they're set up = no problems. Also, if you look at the elected officials over the last 10 years and staff, MANY of them have had kids playing for Bangu/MTA. That doesn't mean that they should allow Bangu or any club to ride roughshod over the rules as they apply to every club. Bangu/MTA always tries to equate themself with doing what's the best for soccer and setting the example for their kids on how to do things right, yet time after time, they show that they're willing to break almost any rule if it forwards their cause. Kids aren't dumb . . . they figured out long ago that it's hypocrisy to continue claiming to be the high ground but never following it in how you conduct your business.
11:14, seems pretty clear - bottom three get relegated based on points (tied) . . . top 3 C1 (league winners since there's only 3 leagues at U15C1) get promoted.
11:17 - please detail who are the "MANY" MYSA elected officials with kids playing at MTA (elected, not volunteers, appointed regional coordinators, etc...).
The U16 girls teams that may or may not be Premier in 2010 were told to advertise their tryouts as Premier by MYSA. Even though 3 of the 9 will not be Premier.
MTA cuts all the MYSA officials' kids. Plain and simple. That's part of the problem.
11:17 your an idiot and a liar. What rules has MTA/Bangu broken? (Please spare us the MA U13 fiasco, it is over and appropriately punished.) The clubs that ride "roughshod" are those who conspire to create punative rules to punish a single team or club. This has been well documented over the year.
The four that will be premier at U16 next year for sure are MTA Grey,EP, REV and Tonka.
here is one to chew on...why doesnt all the CC's join up with MTA? Simple Yes?
You cannot hyperlink to MYSA minutes that are not public!
12 11 you have to be nieman, hopefully there are not others like you at bangu/mta calling people idiots when they voice their opinion.
12 11 , whoever you might be , you have an anger problem
this blog site is a mta puppet show
you start a thread about a team from two years ago, the team raised the bar at 91/92 and made the game better. they beat bangu in the final, that is the real issue here, does not matter that bangu were a poor team, matters that some upstarts from scv won state.
It is a sad scene when you pick on a kid from scv like you do here but can not start a usa cup thread.
mn futbol guy, you are a coward, a disgrace. you run a site that you dictate, real brave.
1 20pm here is one to chew on, how many teams does a real academy run?
mta is not a soccer academy, its a money machine feeding egos. run 2 teams at each gender from u15 to u18 and then its an academy. they can not do that as they would have to lay off coaches.
mta is more about coaching egos than players and if i am wrong then scrap about 40 of the teams.
353, the coaches would still be able to find coaching jobs they just wouldn't be able to afford all the Techical advisors and east, west , south and north directors. It's about money plain and simple. When it was Bangu it was about soccer, MTA is about making money.
Looking at the tryout schedule, it appears MTA will have about 200 teams. That's a lot of colors. Remember: Ask to see the team budget and make sure your magenta team isn't supporting all the Blue scholarships!
A Casehardened Minty Mount
It's tme for Storlien to hit the road also. He offers nothing positive for MTA. Get rid of all the old directors.
they'll start their own league
They may be able to start a US Club Soccer league using fields at NSC.
That would be a good thing I think because it would provide a little competition for MYSA.
I'm not a MTA person but I'm sick of the BS coming out of the MYSA.
Look around at other states...how many are there where the youth sanctioning body has a monopoly of USYS leagues?
We need change. Hope and change.
Storlien is not a director. He just coaches a team.
He is actually listed as a Director on their website.
Executive Board
Barry Neal (President)
John Jerabek (Vice President)
Kent Johnson (Treasurer)
Bob Hoaglin (Secretary)
Donny Gramenz
Danny Storlien
if MTA is about making money then they aren't doing a very good job...
http://www.startribune.com/templates/Print_This_Story?sid=51267487
For the umpteenth time, MTA is a non-profit, the MN Thunder professional team is for profit. Finances are separate.
Find another angle to take your rips.....
347-
The point is that MS used his position to move this team when a bunch of others were told that they could not do it.
Yeah, the 17's have done well, but that does not excuse him from abusing his position of power to do exactly what a whole bunch of others were told they could not do. And are continued to be told they cannot do.
MYSA needs a new generation of leaders, but most sane people won't do it. And I do not blame them a bit.
What about a tryout and team formation thread?
My daughter is thinking about moving clubs and we attended MTA U15 tryouts yesterday and will be back there today. The rumors about their blue team splitting up are not true. One parent there said all of their girls were at tryouts. In fact, there were somewhere between 45 and 50 girls that attended tryouts and almost half were from other clubs.
I'm hopeful my daughter will be selected for the blue team, but there was a lot of talent out there, not all of it from MTA. We will accept any slot they offer, blue or white.
11:11
Its great that MTAs U15 tryouts are over, the numbers you mention sound fantastic considering the fact that they totally screwed the wings team that merged into that age groups train wreck. Its wonderful the blue team will stay intact. The real tryouts are this week. Im guessing youll see all those numbers trying out at Twin City Fire, Woodbury or for that matter ,the state cup champs at Burnsville.
Burnsville side was a fluke winner at State Cup. Anyone who knows anything won't take their player to a club with no support system for an elite team.
Why stay for wite, when you're subsidizing all the Blue shenanigans.
Dear Mr./Mrs. "Blue-Subsidizes" (aka 12:57 and countless other posts),
For all of us to take you seriously, please provide us with more than your constant accusations. A little factual data would go a long way.
For those of us who have had our kids play on a MTA team (and I have a "white" player), we know that each team has its own budget and it's easy to see how/where the money goes.
There is obviously something deeper at work with your comments. Some deeper axe to grind.
Please, provide something other than your baseless comments.
Anyone have insight as to what is going to happen with the 18 boys age group now, with VLY winning state cup and getting to MRL premier they seem to have upped the ante and joined SCV on that level, what about BHK, MTA, WSD, ARS, do those players stick with their current clubs and try and grind it out against SCV and VLY, do some of the SCV players go over to VLY and combine into a real "super" team at this age group, or vise versa, does MTA still try and consolidate the talent even though it hasnt worked for 4 years now, anyone have any answers?
MTA won State Cup at U13, U14, U15. What they're doing with the academy concept is working.
They had the best team at U12 as well. This team played U13 and was very successful despite being a true U12 group. They will walk through State Cup easily next year at U13.
Consolidating talent works and is the only way a Minnesota team will be successful at region level or beyond.
12:22
I watched the Burnsville U14 pop 2 in early in state cup, then went to some equal playing time issues ,that Ive heard are resolved. Id like to see if my DD can find a spot with them. It may have looked like a fluke from your side, evidently the blue side. As far as flukes go .....look up the competition.
12:22
I watched the Burnsville U14 pop 2 in early in state cup, then went to some equal playing time issues ,that Ive heard are resolved. Id like to see if my DD can find a spot with them. It may have looked like a fluke from your side, evidently the blue side. As far as flukes go .....look up the competition.
If you keep telling our kids that Minnesota cant compete.....they wont. Consolidation is BS. Commitment is the real issue. Our kids are still playing multiple sports after the age of 12, others are not. You may say that MTA has a year round program.....theyre not capable of developing small pools of players into regional powers..... obviously. CC clubs or others can manage to come up with 1 or 2 outstanding teams, the dedication of these kids and coaches to buck the academy and develop kids from a very small pool into good individual as well as team players is much a more supportive enviorment. If you are saying MTA has a system....what youre talking about is coaches ,not kids.
Fluke? I'm from MTA, and it was no fluke. Both teams played very hard and the result could have gone either way. To say otherwise, you had to have missed the game. We are lucky to have two very good teams in that age group. I hope BV continues to do well, as it will push MTA to raise the bar again.
I'm not from MTA either. Did see that game. A very average team, had a good run of 2 or 3 games. They will not make the semis next year.
I'm not from MTA either and I believe the best team did NOT win at U14. MTA had more chances, hit three posts and two crossbars. I do think both teams played hard and both teams are talented, but I do believe MTA has the best team at that age group.
Starting to sound like tonka ....dominated but lost.As far as a string of games goes....They crushed my DDs team in MRL and i watched them in more than a "string of games" including a couple of league games.MTA is a nice team but has not played the kind of competition Burnsville has. Im headin down there tomorrow night even if its just for the training.
you can almost set you watch on the MTA/Burnsville battle.
roughly 15 minutes after one side makes a comment, there is the corresponding rebuttal from the other side.
kind of reminds me of DREV/MTA from before state cup.
18 boys, probably not much movement and players mostly staying where they are at. Only mta team might lose a number of players, the tryout was poorly attended and grumblings about moving on. I do know a few mta players have contacted other teams at the age.
VLY and WSD usually retain a bunch of their players, ARS may hold steady as they play well and have a good coach. BHK would be a question as the coach is leaving.
SCV have problems but should continue. If one of about four teams picks up three starters they could pull away.
I'm not from MTA either, but I can't stand MTA. Why play there if not on a blue team. The rest are expensive average teams at best.
2/8/09 7:33 Where did you hear BHK coach is leaving? Is there really anything to that?
Last I heard he was dangling pro contacts in front of kids....
Anonymous said...
MTA won State Cup at U13, U14, U15. What they're doing with the academy concept is working.
They had the best team at U12 as well. This team played U13 and was very successful despite being a true U12 group. They will walk through State Cup easily next year at U13.
Consolidating talent works and is the only way a Minnesota team will be successful at region level or beyond.
2/8/09 1:47 PM
This is the issue that is broken. Sure, MTA and other CC teams win state cup, FOR MN! But what are they doing on a Regional level and beyound?? Are any MN players making NCAA First team, Natl Callups at the OLDER ages? The U-Littles winning mean nothing!!
10:46,
What should they do differently?
Do you have a plan that might work better?
10:46
What's an NCAA First Team?
I can't find that list on NCAA website.
Look a bit harder...NCAA D1 and etc as All-Americans, First team all conference, Freshman All-American, etc etc etc...the list comes out every Fall. I can tell you dont follow college.
so 10:46/12:44, back to the comment from earlier at 10:49......
What should they do differently?
Do you have a plan that might work better?
dont put winning into the puzzle. go with the best coach instead of the best team. W's v L's are not important. The player has to put more into it away from the 3x a week training sessions.
IMHO- footskills are the main building block for a great player. There are other criteria also the I believe footskills are the key. One of the only coaches at MTA that I have seen spend time during trainings on footskills is AK.
2:08 - i agree that the coach is a key component, but another key component is who you are training with. player "a" will develop more playing with a higher level team - how else can they be challenged to improve? how do you define the "best" coach? W's & L's can be over rated as some coaches always have superior talent which translates into more wins. great questions - but not black & white answers, just everyone's humble opinions.
Anonymous said...
so 10:46/12:44, back to the comment from earlier at 10:49......
What should they do differently?
Do you have a plan that might work better?
3/8/09 12:52 PM
???? - still waiting
Focus more on skill development!!
3:30 - that's it.....I hope you weren't planning on charging for this expertise. I guess this now begs the question....define skill development. technical, tactical, how is it implemented, who's teaching it (and who's deciding what is the proper technique), etc....
I think great balance comes before skill level. If you dont have balance, you wont ever have the great skill level.
If AK is the only coach doing it, you're not watching other teams train. Besides, after AK is canned by MTA, where will all the little minions go to learn their footskills?
All hope is lost!
The 24 hour issue is much to do about nothing. Just an issue for a few folks to complain about. I would bet 90% of the families and almost 100% of the key players accept the team invite on the spot. Lots of clubs do it, but a few folks (who's kids probably didn't even try out there in the first place) are using it as just another bash MTA opportunity.
Not saying it's right or wrong, but I am saying its common.
Technical training is only a piece. More coaches need to run small sided game scenarios that reward dynamic and creative movement. With and without the ball. Too much structure training turns out robots...uh the US national team.
Keep-away with change rules, touches and rewards is one of the best training mechanisms. To few coaches use this to train at young ages. I think the become frustrated because it is a little ugly to watch with the younger kids. Don't make it to complicated and after a few session, it will improve. Obviously a coach should not just use keep-away to train.
529, dp you know something we don't know?? I doubt it.
529 1. I hope AK's little minions kick they crap out of your team. 2. See #1
Anon 3/8/09 2:08 PM = Overpaid, Over hyped coach. Examples...MA, GP, PJ, DS, MC. I'm sure if we all took sometime we could think of a few more. I think those are just some of the recent big names.
Someone mentioned earlier and I am suprised that no one has jumped on this, the Blackhawk coach is dangling pro contracts in front of kids? how is this possible? What affiliation does this coach have and couldn't this be an issue or even illegal?
i kind of doubt that's true (unless he has a landscaping business and needs to hire some part-time summer help).
Contacts,not contracts. I suppose the "contacts" would supposedly help land contracts, supposedly in Spain?
"I'm not from MTA either, but I can't stand MTA. Why play there if not on a blue team. The rest are expensive average teams at best."
Hmmmm lets see shall we:
U13B District Champ promoted to Prem; State Cup Finalist
U14B District Champ promoted to Prem
U15B 3rd in MYSA Prem
U16B District Champ (U17C1)promoted to Prem: State Cup Finalist
U13G District Champs promoted to Prem
U14G Relegated from Prem to C1
U15G MRLD1 (3rd team finished 3rd in MYSA Prem)
U16G 2nd in Prem
U17G Relegated from C1
U18G MRL D1
Yeah you're right. I would be disgusted if my clubs reserve teams did so poorly in their first year of existence. You people really are a complete joke. If your kid doesnt play for a club why do you give a s#$t how much it costs and, even if we only judge success one dimensionally by looking at game results, its clear that the statement that the white teams were 'average at best' is ludicrous.
Oh btw at least 50 kids at every MTA tryout that I have seen so far for the 2 top boys teams. My local CC had 15 for their 'top' team.
Best of luck with the hating, although golf might be a more relaxing hobby.
This has got to be one of the more stupid post...WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE? So what your saying is, if these non blue team memebers go to a CC, the CC coaching staff can do amazing things with these players?? Who is drinking the kool-aide now?? Winning is what its all about with you isnt it. Your the problem.
9:10 - what are you talking about?
Soccer fans making a difference...
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See BQ article: "TV Networks Agree to Increase Availability of English Broadcast of USA-Mexico"
31/7/09 11:14 AM - MYSA Competitive Committee meets Saturday to decide the fate of the three Premier teams. They have committed to making a decision at that meeting. Seems like the likelihood of 9 team league is strong based on ambiguity of the Premier relegation rules (states "If two teams are tied..." doesn't address if three teams are tied).
I think Eagan and NSSA both have tryouts after the hearing on Saturday so may be a place for an MTA kid that gets pushed down a team to find a new home, or a bubble kid to consider an opportunity.
9:10
Here's an idea for you. Why dont you READ a post (OK you might have to reread it a couple of times and get some help with the more difficult words) before you compose a reply.
My previous post (8:50) started with a comment in quotation marks. This means it was written by SOMEONE ELSE and I am commenting on it.
The crux of my post was that the self-confessed MTA-hater's (how sad is that btw)assertion that the MTA white teams were 'average teams at best' simply wasnt supported by the record of those teams this past season. I additionally pointed out that given the numbers and standard of players trying out this year the white teams were likely to be even stronger this next year.
So, you are frothing incoherently at a stupid post whose sentiment you basically agree with.
Give me strength!
108, White teams are the cash cow and very few Girls white teams are above average. If you think different ask any Blue team parent what the purpose of the white team. Please don't say they might make the Blue team next year because that doesn't happen.
when it comes to mta budgets i guess you can lead 5:05 to water but you can't make him drink...
BHK coach may be introducing players to clubs overseas, but 'dangling' is probably way to strong a word. Nothing illegal about taking a finders fee for a player. BTW, he is not that well connected, but likes to think he is. Can someone list any players that he has sold overseas?...anyone?
BHK coach is the new head coach of the Liberian Men's National Team, I would say that he is decently connected
5:05 It does happen. The U16 Girls Blue team (U15 this past year) will be getting two girls from the white team.
Sounds like SCV will be forming a C1 or maybe even PR team at each age group next year. Why not? They can just piss on the rules like they have before ;)
Nice try...the Liberian National team is coached by Antoine (Tony) Hey.
4/8/09 6:30 PM None, that's the point. He's making promises to kids and they leave their teams to join BHK thinking that he's their connection to the big leagues.
It would be interesting to see what/who is on the Competitive Committee Meeting agenda this Saturday....How many teams boys/girls of all age groups will be petitioning for placement...
4/8/09 8:56 PM said that SCV will be "forming a C1 or maybe even PR team at each age group next year." Anyone know about their next years U18B? What will the team that was MRL only this year do?
Anonymous said...
108, White teams are the cash cow and very few Girls white teams are above average. If you think different ask any Blue team parent what the purpose of the white team. Please don't say they might make the Blue team next year because that doesn't happen.
4/8/09 5:05 PM
WHY DO YOU CARE!? Did your kid get cut by MTA??
5:05
Please continue in your delusion. I guess it all depends what the word 'average' means doesnt it. Fact is 90% of CC would kill to have their first teams do as well as MTA white did this year...and that was only year 1.
Again, with respect to the money you are completely wrong but why should you care. If it isnt your money why do you give a rip. Each team whether it be blue or white has a detailed budget for THEIR team. Clearly, having two teams at each age group helps to keep some costs down and so in that respect costs are, of course, shared. But the nonsensical idea that the white teams only function is to subsidise blue is just garbage.
Players do move between the two teams at every age a couple of white will move up and a couple of blue down.
Dont let facts get in the way of your hating though will you.
God there are some sad f%$*ers on here.
BHK coach is well connected and has placed several players overseas except in MN. It will be inappropraite to list young players names but there are a few. Also we know of a land in FL for sale - don't be scared of alligators - they don't bite...any takers?
Well since all of you guys have nothing better to do then obsess over girls soccer, and you seem to know a lot about the game ( haha that's funny), I want to know if it's possible to get a customized picture of a professional EPL player, and then they ( the fathead corporation/wallbanger) will give it to me exactly as I want it, or do I have to choose a photo they have? Now to get your small minded Minnesota minds off of Minnesota girls soccer who do you think will win the EPL this season? Oh and just for the long run, let the teams speak for themselves. We players ( yes I do mean the people actually playing the game) don't need any of your low class, worthless suggestions, or opinions, because we see the game a lot different then you do. Bye now :)
Who will win the EPL this season?
Hmm, I'm going out on a limb, Man U...
And here's hoping Owen has a good season with the lads from Old Trafford.
8:09 - how would any of us low class folks have the intelligence to answer your fathead question (I had to have my grade school daughter type this for me)? You're so smart I am sure you can figure it out for yourself. It is also appropriate that you are in love with Gareth Bale as you would appear to be a loser like him (have the Spurs ever won when he's played?).
Why not educate us on this lofty team you are showcasing your skills on so we can bow at your feet with a couple of..
"we are not worthy"
"we are not worthy"
Oh, and by the way, who paid for all your soccer training to get you to this pinnacle of soccer brilliance (probably your parents....).
8:09-You see the game differently.
Hey 8:56....SCV can form all the teams they want. Even if the DOC is stupid enough to place them at C1, teams have to earn premiership.
9:52 is right..there are some sad folks on here.
Just because a person doesn't follow he EPL it doesn't mean they aren't a "worthy" soccer fan. I enjoy american football too if I'm watching HS or some college ball. I don't bother watching pro football at all. Regardless of the sport it's more fun watching your kid or someone you know play any game. Just because you are a dork that knows all the European players doesn't mean you are somehow godlike. Keep wearing your hard-to-find Euro jersey with the beefaroni stain on it.
Yes this is exactly what I mean. Is it necessary to be arguing with a youth soccer player who wants to know about a wallbanger and the EPL? The only reason I'm on this is because I saw my team get trashed talked by a bunch of parents who have no idea what they are talking about. 8:54- About the Gareth Bale thing, he's my role model because he plays in the EPL at a young age, and has tons of talent. So you can focus on the negative things about him and I will focus on the positive things ok? Oh and yes 8:54 my parents do pay for my soccer training and I do thank them. But they don't get involved with things they don't know about. So the next time you trash talkers are posting all of your positive comments about your kids teams or even my team, just remember nothing positive is coming out of it and when people say that my team winning a tournament is a fluke and were nothing but luck, that's sad. Just let us play. Sorry your child didn't win.
7:52 is obviously not a BVL youth player, just some yahoo messing around. If it is a kid, then she's got some serious attitude problems and could use a bit more parental mentoring.
12:22-
Why start the HS season talk we all know who the favorite is. It's just going to be people trying to put them down for weeks regardless of how good they do.
EPL League
The over/under on number of riots is 3
...regardless of how well they do...
I see the gramar police are back - man, you've been missed.
Grammar, not gramar!
12:55 I'm not sure who your favorite is, but based on the amount of quality players on the SCV 17's, 16's and 15's, I'm guessing that Stillwater might make some noise this year if they can gel. Yes, I know some of them are from other schools, but still a decent amount of premier players available.
No I do not have a son on that team, we live in the southern suburbs, and his school plays class A anyway.
It's too early to get negative. Anyone else have any positive insight on their kids teams or others they have seen?
8:09 EPL, how mundane.
Apple Valley has to the favorites in AA, they have been to the state tournament 3 straight years and have 8 players from the VLY 17's, including starters at key positions such as goalie, sweeper, center mid and forwards
8:09 obviously your mother doesn't love you and never gave you beefaroni. You need to seek help .
8:16-- Once again you have gotten into something you know nothing about. God Bless you.
what is a sweeper ? is that the guy who hoofs it the furthest ?
2:17, you don't get the irony?
Hill Murray has to be the favoriet for girls AA this year. They only graduated a couple of seniors.
but HM will have problems as injurys may come into play
how will Jefferson be this year?
Here's some good soccer news...
ESPN Announces English Premier League TV Lineup
Saturday, August 15:Chelsea v Hull City, 7:45am, ESPN2
Monday, August 24:Liverpool v Aston Villa, 3pm, ESPN2
Saturday, August 29:Chelsea v Burnley, 7:45am, ESPN2
Saturday, September 19:Burnley v Sunderland, 7:45am, ESPN2
Saturday, September 26:Portsmouth v Everton, 7:45am, ESPN2
Monday, September 28:Manchester City v West Ham United, ESPN2
Monday, October 5:Aston Villa v Manchester City, 3pm, ESPN2
Saturday, October 17:Aston Villa v Chelsea, 7:45am, ESPN2
Monday, October 19:Fulham v Hull City, 3pm, ESPN2
Saturday, October 24:Wolves v Aston Villa, 7:45am, ESPN2
Saturday, October 31:Arsenal v Tottenham, 6:45am, ESPN2
Monday, November 9:Liverpool v Birmingham City, 3pm, ESPN2
Saturday, November 21:Liverpool v Manchester City, 7:45am, ESPN2
Yeah, that's great news. ESPN2 is showing soccer at times when no one is watching.
Tivo!
FSC - fox soccer channel covers about 4 EPL games a week. Part of comcast sports package. Covers MLS and USL and some college futbol as well.
12:06 - you are if you are an EPL fan. considering the time difference it's real time. Hopefully they pick up the feed of the regular EPL announcers.
Somebody above said:
"Consolidating talent works."
Duh. Problem in MN is that with very few Region Champions on our resume, we continue to consolidate talent at the city/club level in attempt to win State Cup. We need to consolidate at the state level so we can win more Region Championships.
Duh. But it's too bad our clubs are too stubborn to do this. The 2009 U17 Boys is the perfect example.
As the years go by, I hope to see MTA continue to grow and monopolize State Cup championships as winning is the best marketing tool. They'll then attract most of the top talent and will be competitive on a national level. National Championships will attract better young athletes to play the game. It's all connected and it's all cyclical. That's why some things never change.
Vote for me to be MYSA President.
Great idea....lets consolidate at Burnsville...or Eden Prairie.....Why MTA?
Central training facilities, connection with the pro team, high percentage of licensed and qualified coaches already in the system, progressive vision though that might have ended this summer, and MN's most respected club outside of the state, to name a few reasons.
However, IMO, they need to stop promoting from within and open up their coaching positions to other qualified coaches to reach the next level, they need to get rid of some of their paid directors, and they need to dissolve their White teams at the older ages to focus on the truly capable players. Won't need their White teams and the revenue they bring in if MTA cuts their director salary pool in half.
Maybe a club like MU or Blackhawks would work for elite consolidation as well based on their locations. Sorry, EP, St Croix, Dakota Rev, et all. Never happen in a non-centrally located club.
If MTA/SSM had been able to earn USSF Academy status this would have been a mute point. Once they achieve that accomplishment, on the boys side, this topic will be a mute point.
Let's see... Both at U16 and U17 two players are pulled up from White to Blue for 09/10 season. The 2009 class had over 30 players, including a majority of the white players sign at DI or DII and several more off to D3. I don't think the white teams are going away
it's funny that folks want the white teams to go away when often times they are easily one of the top 5 teams in the state.....
721 the 2009 class was exceptional, the best this state has produced to date and looking ahead 2-3 years. It wasn't just MTA producing players either. One nationally competitive team and two others that were regionally competitive. 3 MRL premier teams. You can't use that year to make a case for white teams.
Look at the number of quality teams MTA had this past summer at U13 boys.
They had 3 of the 4 semi-finalists at State Cup and 3 of their teams earned premier for next summer.
Based on those results they have 3 of the top 4 teams in state at that age group.
They're doing something right.
839 What is your definition of exceptional? Must be pretty loose. White teams placed in the top tier of the league they played in from 93-96. In state cup 94 Whites have been finalists for 3 years running. 95 were Finalists and we all know the 96's should have been in the final game. 93's had a great year too after shedding some difficult families. I think you need a new dictionary. Whites are top teams in the state and region. Sorry.the data does not back up your comment
Burnsville has consolidated talent at 95. If you think they were good this year, wait until you see next year's team!
Is consolidating talent a good thing?
It seems like all I've read bashes Bangu/MTA for doing just that?
Is it good that some clubs do it and bad that others do?
define "consolidating talent"..
swapping out players 10-16 really doesn't make that much of a difference.
adding new players that are in the top 5 of the team makes a difference. those are the players who will help you win games.
imo, what EP did at U17 is consolidating talent and 8:41 does raise a good point.
913- its more then just switching the top 5 of your players. Not a brilliant comment. You need to add depth as well to your roster the best teams are the deep ones that can switch out players and have nothing to worry about going to their bench. It allows you to stay fresh on a team that doesnt have that ability.
Yes your top 5 are important but they are not any more important then role players.
1232, spoken like a parent whose kid is a role player!! Manchester United was great because of their top players not their role players.
but if you can add 2-3 top 5 players then your depth automatically improves as players 8-10 now become players 11-13....
12:32 - your comment about the top 5 being no more important then the role players is laughable.
12:35 does have a point. Show me a team that's ever won anything without top end talent.
the bloggers that are bitching about White teams on MTA because their kids couldn't even make it on the White teams Period. What most parents and coaches from CC don't want club like MTA to dominate at more than one level of play, Blue, White, etc. Again, these parents are jealous because their UNTALENTED kids are not good enough to play at high level like White and Blue.
MN has a lot of other talented soccer kids that can form 2 or 3 regionally competitive teams. Only, if they stop listening to these idiotic parents/and jealous coaches and form multiple level teams. Other clubs in Region II do have 2 and 3 level of teams and they all are competing at high level in MRL and National Accademy system. Example, St. Louis Scott Gallagher, Eclipse Select, Chicago Magic, Kansas City Wizard, etc.
So stop finding reasons to hate MTA/SSM and start finding good soccer trainer for your kids to improve their skills and have them placed at a level that will push them to the next level the following year. That is if your kids are the kinds that love to be competitive and commit to training. Otherwise, have them play at CC and don't complain and bitch. This is the only way MN soccer will improve.
Honestly, who cares about your white teams.This years U14 White was totally screwed by the club,if any of those kids came back its only because their parents have been drinking concentrated kool- aid.
1:07
keep drinking the kool-aid...
1:53,
Care to elaborate on that?
8:23,
BV did not consolidate at U15 and neither did MTA. Both got better, and they're still easily the best in that age, but neither team is a regional power. If those rosters were combined, that would make something special. In the meantime, the best part is that all of the gossip mongers who predicted chaos in both camps are left holding the bag.
How did they both get better?
If we talking girsl the U15 B ville team did not get better
How about MTA G15?
9:35 - define "something special"?
combining BVL/MTA at U15 might give you at best a middle of the road RII team.
9:57
BVL is already a middle of the road R2 team, as evidenced by results in MRL. Take a good look at the strength of their past schedule when you start blurting out nonsense about r2 power. The problem with BVL last year ,wasnt with its players ,but with its subs parents,complaining about playing time. It appears as though those problems are maybe gone. When a team is forced by a club board to play equal playing time at regionals, you can forget about being competitive. I was at regionals, watched Milwaukee get to the semis.Mta is the same team as last year.
11:04 - are you talking 1st division.......I guess we just have different ideas of what "middle of the road RII is" and that's cool.
Please remember there is a premier level PLUS more than half the teams only play MRL in the fall due to high school - but I'm sure you knew that. States like IL (their top teams), MI, MO, WI, etc...
Combining MTA/BVL would put it ahead of IA, SD, ND and maybe NE. They would most likely rank behind all the other state cup champs, as well as many 2nd and 3rd ranked teams from the larger states (IL, MI, OH, MO, etc..). In essence, not much different than most other MN age groups.
Burnsville plays bootball and their lack of being able to control the ball with skill and move it around will catch up with them. MTA plays a much better control game than Burnsville.
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