Funny that U13 boys doesn't matter. There you have a group of excellent, dignified coaches who have basically a lab experiment going on in terms of developing skillful players while getting results on the field. Anybody who took a moment to watch what is happening there would take note. Some well-known types already have.
cmon boy's coaches! Will someone please do something that others can call horrible this weekend, so we have a chance of being more than 25% of the comment activity when compared to the two girls stories here?!?!?!?!?!
Doesn't have to be on the field, find a hot mom at the fields and harass her (might work, you never know!), show up drunk, make sure you are overheard near the complex saying that you cannot make it to regionals anyway and that you will probably pick your worst 11 for overtime and your worst shooters for PKs if it gets that far....
Do something, we are getting our arses kicked here!!!!!!!
I saw Elgin in Rockford in April, and am very surprised and impressed to hear MTA beat them. Elgin was head and shoulders better than everyone they played down there. A fun little team to watch. Go MTA!
Darn, does Elgin/IL have a blog? I would think the Elgin boys and parents are upset that their little boys are being punished because one of their players was 16 years old. They probably didn't know he was 16 so why should they be punished?
oh that wasnt the real Eclipse that Valley beat,it was other kids wearing the Il. state cup winning tops and today it must of been St Croixs c1 team!Valley is not that good!! Time to admit it,Valley won state fair and square,3 0 is no fluke.
anon 1127 I watched all of the U15 boys game with the exception of the first 10-15 minutes. I honestly don't recall seeing the Thunder keeper making a save on a real scoring opportunity during run of play unless it occurred when I went to the concession stand in the 2nd half. MU just didn't appear to be dangerous at all in the attack third. I think the only fear Thunder parents really had was the possibility of it going to shots from the mark.
Congrats to MTA U15's! I'm guessing the 'jerk' reporter was not a parent as they were at celebration dinners. ..c'mon. It was a good, albeit closer game than it should have been on paper. But the MTA team certainly had many more chances at putting it in the net. And yes, 2 goals made during play, rather than from a pk for a weak call (I hate it when refs try to 'score' the game) I would not consider a gift! Those boys worked for it. ...oh and I'm not a parent.
I saw the entire game. Neither keeper had very many tough saves, although MU just about ended it on a shot that most thought was in with about 2 minutes left in regulation.
MU played very well, their strategy to defend and counter worked very well, and the players outworked the 15's on many occasions. If anyone was really watching, I think they would say the foul for pk was soft and many referees would not have called the foul, but don't take that away from the game, it happened and the players adjusted.
I think the game was a terrific display of different teams, talent, and heart from two groups of 15 year old boys. Some of us soccer parents actually enjoy seeing more than one team play well and have success.
I specifically like to see a team like Wildcats, whom the MU club seems to think is their second best, prove that they have been the better team for two years now. In my opinion, because they play like a team, rather than rely on a few players.
So MTA wins at U13, U14 and U15. Seems like their Academy strategy is working very well. They had 3 of the 4 boys teams in the semis at U13. The scary thing is one of those teams is a true U12 team who will be untouchable next year at their own age.
10:45, the MTA true U12 team on the boys side did not actually make it to the semifinals. But they played very well in their group and actually beat a tough MTA West team, which itself lost in the semis narrowly (pks) to the eventual champs.
Valley 17s did win and are a good team. Congratulations. I have also heard through some referee buddies that they are a class team as well. Congrats again. I have the opposite about the SCV team.
Valley get to represent MN at Regionals and test themselves. Congrats to them and best of luck.
SCV U17B will not be going to regionals as the wild card. Team Ohio won its game this afternoon putting them in first place in MRL U17 Premier Blue which earns them the wildcard.
SCV had numerous opportunities in the 2nd half but couldn't put the ball on frame. They had enough good looks to tie or win the game but in this game were the "gang who couldn't shoot straight."
mta parent 7:27--when i posted the info on MRL and SCV, it was simpl new info just released on MRL website. It was relevant to the state cup outcome for that age group. No opinion either way.
Nice showing for boys Thunder teams. It will be interesting to watch, over the next few years, if the Thunder holds on to these players. In general, boys rosters seem more fluid. Who's been in charge of training those 13-15 teams?
U13 - U15 training at MTA has been done this year by Herskovitz at U13, Zahl at U14, and Bunbury at U15. This is a classy group that does it the right way. Add to this Yueill who worked with some of the current U13s last year as U12s (and who has his own strong group of U12s this year), and you have a solid core of coaches at those very important age groups in terms of player development.
Thanks. That explains it. If they can keep the boys together, I bet those teams stay strong. Time will tell if all the mentioned coaches do as well with older players. Great start however!
anon 5:02, When do you think player development ends? At U10? U12? U14? Do players still "develop" when they're in high school? In college? Don't we talk about NFL QBs developing when they're 25-28 years old? Do you think it's any different with soccer players?
didnt say when it ended.I said that a lot of good players came from other clubs,put the better players on one team and they will win a lot of games,simple stuff that has nothing to do with coaching
5:12, So why do college teams and pro teams offer multi-million dollar contracts to their football and basketball coaches? Why do pro teams offer multi-million dollars contracts to hockey coaches and baseball managers? You should really think for a minute before making such a stupid post. Good thing you're anonymous.
u13 mte boys dominated in championship. when really that wasn't even close to a championship game. dominating in league play as well. this will be a good team as they grow up and play MRL.
I was going to chastise 5:16 for making a ridiculous comparison between MTA's youth soccer program and professional, paid athletes...then I realized they're eerily similar.
MTA is loaded with the best players from other clubs. The 15s weren't much to look at when they were 12 and 13, but then the recruiting began...list their 5 best players today, and none of them wore the "blues" three years ago.
TellsIt, If the players you mention belonged to a club that offered the training and opportunity they saw at Bangu/MTA why would they bother leaving? Would they have had the same quality and quantity of training? Would they have the chance to win at State Cup? Would they have the chance to play in high level college search tournaments? Why would they switch clubs if their old club had as much to offer?
if you want to see real player development look at the VLY 17B, they have 8 players from their U10 team still on that roster, and 11 from their U13 team which was the first year that they played full field
That is great player development from the two VLY coaches who have been with those boys since they were U10
As someone with a kid on a team that has lost players to MTA, I'll take a stab at 6:59's attempt to convince us MTA is the only option.
"Would they have had the same quality and quantity of training?" I'll put my kid's coaching director, trainers, coach and training program up against anyone's. It is outstanding. MTA DOES NOT have a monopoly on quality training. No way.
"Would they have the chance to win at State Cup?" While everyone has a chance to win at State Cup, my kid's team has been semifinalists since they were 13s, finalists once, and victors over the top MTA team twice. MTA made a great case for itself this year with the sheer number of teams they entered into State Cup, but man, a lot of other clubs won titles this year.
"Would they have the chance to play in high level college search tournaments?" My kid's team has traveled all over the midwest, and now the country, competing at MRL, US Club Soccer, and Showcase tournaments. I'm not sure why you think kids need to play for MTA to be able to play in high level college search tournaments.
"Why would they switch clubs if their old club had as much to offer?" I don't know. I do know my kid's club chooses to subsidize families who need the help, rather than the really really good players. Also, my kid's club isn't very good at promoting itself to the Minnesota soccer world as the only place you can grow into a great soccer player. No one does that louder than MTA.
7:54, are you suggesting then that the kids who left your program only did so because they fell for some marketing pitch? That might be why a parent might want to move a kid. But the players themselves usually have something else in mind. Oftentimes they leave because they want to challenge themselves by playing with a group of talented, committed players. I could see a player coming to MTA for that reason or leaving MTA for that reason. It all depends which club is offering what at which age group. Some of these players who want this challenge thrive by training with that sort of group, others learn that they would enjoy the continuity of sticking with a team instead of bouncing around. Each kid ultimately decides for himself or herself, and the kids (not parents) are generally pretty insightful about this. After all, they actually play the game because they like to play the game (and they know who plays the game well because they are in the competition), while the parents obsess about college and marketing pitches. So chances are that, if a kid left your kid's program, the program might not be all that you build it up to be in the eyes of the departing kid. But instead of respecting that kid's decision, you basically demean them by calling them gullible. This is exactly what is wrong with soccer in this state right now. If you have a good program that works for you, be proud of it and build it and more likely than not kids will stick around. If they don't, there is usually a legitimate reason why even if you want to pretend otherwise.
Recruiting? People act as it it's only MTA that has players from more than 1 "community". Check out the roster for the Valley United U17 boys State Cup champs. Or the U17 boys SCV finalists. Then go check the roster of the Woodbury U17 girls State Cup champions. Don't kid yourself. Recruiting goes on at almost every premier league team and also for most C1 teams. Why do so many clubs place ads for their tryouts in Soccer Times? Isn't that recruiting?
7:54 Good post. Thank you for looking at the situation from both sides and reaching a positive conclusion.
For all the people who talk about losing players to recruiting, please get over it. If a kid, or his parents decide the grass is greener somewhere else you have no right to be upset about it. Think before your jealousy takes over. Some players just don't fit with others, some want things you don't have, some are so good it helps the team they have left develop into a better team because they don't just rely on one player anymore.
Please, just support your kid, your coach, your program as best you can. The cream needs to rise to the top to allow themselves and others to grow, and our state just doesn't seem to like this. Do you own your childs teammates? Should you really have input on the decisions their parents make?
the whole recruiting thing is always interesting to listen to. i had an interesting discussion a few years ago with a friend who coaches in a different club.
he gave me quite a bit of grief for the "poaching" that my club did (yes, i was coaching in that evil club), and told me i better not go after any of his players. i laughed him off, and reminded him that mostly players sought me out, and i did not really commit time to "recruiting" players for the next year.
after he regained his composure, we were able to talk about his team a little. he had done a nice job with them, and they had aspirations. it was cool to hear exactly which kids he had targeted - AND ALREADY CONTACTED - for joining him the next year.
i still giggle about this today when i hear or read the lunatic haters complain about "recruiting".
btw, most entertaining final match - SSM vs MTA U16B. Hard to believe it was 1-0, both teams created very good looks at goal, and both keepers made some wonderful plays to keep the game tied.
great stuff fellas, and good luck ssm in sioux falls
9:14, They do. At what age does development stop? U10? U12? U14? Do players continue to develop in college? Do players continue to develop when they become professionals?
So funny how some of you see things. I tell you from personal experience. My son played for a CC premier team last year. This year he opted to move to the MTA team, all on his own choice. He tried out and made both teams and would have been a starter playing same amount of time either way. He chose MTA for reasons some of you stated...a chance to play with players that have the same commitment, same level of skills, and yes, same level of commitments from the parents as well. There were no recruiting done by any MTA coaches, directors, or anyone. He is still friends with his former teammates, he still praises his former coach for teaching him what he knows now, and he still cheer for his former team. Yet, he enjoys the time he has with his new team and is moving forward learning new things with new teammates and a new coach. Don't forget that at the end of the day, this is still about our kids and soccer. Not about business and it isn't about us parents.
Very impressive performance by MTA boys at State Cup. RZ has done a great job over the last few years developing the players and teams at the younger age groups. Not only did they win at U13, U14 and U15 they did it playing nice soccer not just booting the ball forward to a couple of standout players. I'm sure the Thunder brass is impressed with these results. I'm sure this is what they're hoping for.
dont know about winning state last season in high school, but if Valley doesnt win state this year in high school that is sad with 8 players on the VLY U17 team
AB from Osseo is on the U18 MTA team. I beleive they also have a couple of players from the Bloomington team. HS is really a completely different game. For example WB, "Mr Soccer" does not have much of an impact in club games. Thou CM & KP had a lot of sucess in both.
"I coach u 17s,the one lineslady did both our games,called us offside at least 10 times first game{in the second half} and disallowed a goal second game,to be honest she isnt fit to officiate,its a shame to train to be undone by one idiot,Peter"
OK, let's get to the bottom of something, and maybe this will change things slightly. See the prior cheap shot (10:54)? Notice it is from the same dude who throughout this entire thread shows he never learned that a space follows a comma? Check out your WSD coach at U17 and at least you know one of the jokers in this blog who loves to take cheap shots. If you look at the posts in this thread alone, you'll be impressed with the bile.
People, give it a rest. There is plenty good going on in this state that you don't have to engage in this sort of nonsense. Just because someone makes a nice remark about someone doesn't mean it is a fake post or that the poster has some agenda. MANY of us appreciate and want to say GOOD things about coaches who do a nice job. We would like those people to get the praise they deserve REGARDLESS OF CLUB AFFILIATION (WSD, MTA, SCV, SSM, WDB, PSA, BHK, whoever!) so that the sport improves in this state. Good faith criticism is cool, too, but those who lurk and take cheap shots because of petty resentments or jealousies are contributing to a really sad state of affairs.
Saw Rob's U14 team played...they are good but sometimes they play too much possession with short passes...not very good at longer balls, switching, and threatening plays in the forward third of the field. Too much 'American' style of futbol versus European of South Americans. Need to work on longer plays as they get older.
Only comment on RZ, leave him with the younger players, as they get older past U14, he doesn't handle them well, unless he has learned his lessons from past experience, he has shown no discipline and creates an atmosphere where his so called SuperStars can do what ever they want, they don't need to come to practice, show up 5 minutes before game and start, mouth off to team mates and officials and nothing is done about it by RZ. So leave him with the U14 and younger and he is very good at development, but have a more disciplined coach for the older players.
6:51, speaking of petty resentments etc. By the way, and without knowing what really happened with the team you mentioned, many coaches (including me) look at the way we coached or handled players when we were younger and recognize what we might do differently. RZ is still a young guy, and if he (or any other young coach like him) might have mishandled a prior situation involving older adolescent males, that is hardly surprising. Now he has a reputation for laying down the law, and maybe that has something to do with what he has learned over the years while getting some impressive results.
Zahl sat 4 starters for at least a half in State Cup pool play vs SCV for showing up late. Whether that was discipline or he didn't want to "show all his cards" in match where the team was already assured of being semis will never be known. But it did work out for discipline purposes and also proved to be strategic as they spanked the SCV team in the final 4-0.
RZ is a far better coach than any of the yahoos at SCV, MUS, WYZ, EDP, VLY, EDI, DKT, BHK, or any of the other large CCs. They are full of arrogant old d-bags.
i think one of the most underrated coaches in the state is the VLY 17 boys coach he has been very successful for a long time with a lot of different teams boys and girls, club and high school, it doenst really matter he has been successful on many different levels and it is paying off this year with his boys team, congrats to them and good luck at regionals
MTA recruiting - this is unsubstantiated as a practice and most likely a knee jerk reaction from any club losing a player to MTA. The coaches know the best talent in other teams and may show a personal interest in such players. But the best players also gravitate toward the winning teams and may decide to try out. The fact of the matter is that they are interested in any top player regardless of where they live and ability to pay, which may not be the case with community clubs. Any recruiting that goes on is no more or less than any other team.
MTA development vs acquisition of talent - clearly its a mixture; some teams have several players that have been in the system for years but there are also new players added nearly every year and long time players cut. The MTA u16 team in the finals kept less than half the players from the previous year.
MTA talks player development but its all about winning. They don't give a crap about parents or players and you are cut or demoted to a lower team as soon as the perceived better player comes along (tryouts). The coaching is top notch but this condition along with the high fees are the price you pay. The level of disorganization and lack of communication is also part of the deal. If you are looking for a true soccer community, its not there. There is also pressure on paying parents to also cover costs of supporting scholarship players.
The girls u12/u13 state cup flap is an example of the winning at all costs mentality inherent in this club. The good of the club really came before what was best for the players in tanking the game, even though the coach claims it was all about "protecting" the younger kids. C'mon, it was about putting the best team in position to win state cup and advance to regionals. And how does the club respond? It moves to protect the integrity of the club and punishes all the players involved, who are completely innocent (which indirectly punishes the paying parents). I highly doubt any parents were consulted or input considered in their decisions cause they just don't care.
you started off fairly impartial 9:37 but then gradually reverted into the usual anti-mta rant. btw, mta did nothing that directly impacted the players, those were USYSA penalties.
Did MTA wrongly DQ a team? No. MYSA did, at the behest of other teams' coaches involved in the age group. The actions of the MTA coach did not prevent any other team from advancing except his own. This did not occur in group play and affect another team, which would have given MYSA grounds to take the action they did.
Back to the same ignorant rant. MTA cheats. Winning is the only thing,blah blah blah. Let your daughter/son flounder in the world of everyone is a winner, and failure does not happen to good people. It's not true, failure is necessary and inevitable. It's the champions (not just sports) that rise above it. You parents who whine about MTA, SSM, even SCV are not doing your children any service,in fact YOU may be the reason those clubs pick other players-yep even the nicest coaches, who try to teach kids will drop one if their parent is a knucklehead.
Who won the U19 boys game, I thought it was played Saturday or did it get postponed because of rain? Nothing on the MYSA web site. Just wondering, saw Valley 19 boys and White Bear Lake 19 Boys two weeks ago in NCS. Valley much better team, should win.
MYSA did not enforce a rule. Rule 28 applies to group play. Read the rule, you will be less confused. Name the team that did not advance because of MA action. That is the team that had a beef.
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6-0 MTA u14 blue over SCV
My annihilation precitions:
SSM will annihilate MTA White at U16. MTA Blue will annihilate MU Wildcats at U15. MTA Blue will annihilate SCV at U14.
U17 will be close. U13 doesn't matter.
was "annihilate" the word of the day?
Yes it was 643, but it got annihilated at the end of the day.
Funny that U13 boys doesn't matter. There you have a group of excellent, dignified coaches who have basically a lab experiment going on in terms of developing skillful players while getting results on the field. Anybody who took a moment to watch what is happening there would take note. Some well-known types already have.
Thoughts on U17 final? And Semifinal?
cmon boy's coaches! Will someone please do something that others can call horrible this weekend, so we have a chance of being more than 25% of the comment activity when compared to the two girls stories here?!?!?!?!?!
Doesn't have to be on the field, find a hot mom at the fields and harass her (might work, you never know!), show up drunk, make sure you are overheard near the complex saying that you cannot make it to regionals anyway and that you will probably pick your worst 11 for overtime and your worst shooters for PKs if it gets that far....
Do something, we are getting our arses kicked here!!!!!!!
THE U-16 MTA BOYS ALREADY GOT THEIR PLANE TICKETS FOR SIOUX FALLS !!!
U13, U14, U15, U16 and U18...all MTA show in Sioux Falls!!! What happened to the U17???
U16 MTA boys will get killed this weekend by SSM. SCV isn't very strong and should have beaten MTA.
No comments means a lot of dissapointed parents
809 - do people actually fly to Sioux Falls? It's such a lovely drive and the aroma this time of year fantastic!
I think it's nice that they hold the regional tournament in South Dakota every few years. It gives them a chance to see good soccer.
M!M!
cmon boys parents, you suck! No hatred or bile to spew, wtf!!!!!!!
all kidding aside, good luck to all the teams this weekend, enjoy what you have achieved, and keep working for more!
U14 - MTA Blue beat Elgin Pumas (reigning region II champ) in MRL play. They will be pretty competitive in regions if they mess up tomorrow.
I meant if they don't mess up and lose tomorrow...
I saw Elgin in Rockford in April, and am very surprised and impressed to hear MTA beat them. Elgin was head and shoulders better than everyone they played down there. A fun little team to watch. Go MTA!
VU Boys 17BPR lost to Westside U17BPR 2-1 in league play.....
Perhaps VU had an eye on tomorrow and WSD did not?
Elgin Pumas dq'd from IL State Cup for using 16 year olds.
elgin lost half the team that was before facing mta 14s.
Predictions
Darn, does Elgin/IL have a blog? I would think the Elgin boys and parents are upset that their little boys are being punished because one of their players was 16 years old. They probably didn't know he was 16 so why should they be punished?
13 - MTA
14 - MTA
15 - MTA
16 - SSM
17 - VLY
18 - MTA
19 - WBL
16B: SSM is up 6-0 over MTA near halftime.
I went to my priest last night and have to confess:
I AM SHEKKI.
Sorry for the confusion. I love myself and I hate myself.
2:23
SSM wins u16 boys. Congratulations good luck at regionals !!!
what was the score of the 16's final??
vly 3
scv 0
final
u16 final SSM 1 - MTA 0
lot of wind . SSM scored in 2nd half. MTA played really well.
Valley won the final of 17s quite easily,3 0.
oh that wasnt the real Eclipse that Valley beat,it was other kids wearing the Il. state cup winning tops and today it must of been St Croixs c1 team!Valley is not that good!!
Time to admit it,Valley won state fair and square,3 0 is no fluke.
6:39 - wouldn't have any connection to the team would you? hope you had a nice assist or goal during the game........
7 31,I thinks the VU players are out to a celebration dinner not on here.
i always love it when parents get into it more than the players. the best is when they use the word "we" to describe their kid's team....
where is the word we you refer to?
MTA U14's win easily 4-0.
What was result in U15 Boys final?
MTA U15's won 2-1.
MU only goal was a gift. A PK when a player tripped and fell.
even in wining the above mta parent was a jerk.Only goal?Where your teams only two goals a gift?
To me 2 1 says good game.
Right, how about the second goal coming on a slow roller late in the second overtime period?
There were a lot of MTA parents crapping in their pants for about 105 minutes of playing time.
anon 1127
I watched all of the U15 boys game with the exception of the first 10-15 minutes.
I honestly don't recall seeing the Thunder keeper making a save on a real scoring opportunity during run of play unless it occurred when I went to the concession stand in the 2nd half. MU just didn't appear to be dangerous at all in the attack third.
I think the only fear Thunder parents really had was the possibility of it going to shots from the mark.
Congrats to MTA U15's! I'm guessing the 'jerk' reporter was not a parent as they were at celebration dinners. ..c'mon. It was a good, albeit closer game than it should have been on paper. But the MTA team certainly had many more chances at putting it in the net. And yes, 2 goals made during play, rather than from a pk for a weak call (I hate it when refs try to 'score' the game) I would not consider a gift! Those boys worked for it.
...oh and I'm not a parent.
I saw the entire game. Neither keeper had very many tough saves, although MU just about ended it on a shot that most thought was in with about 2 minutes left in regulation.
I am an MTA 15's parent.
MU played very well, their strategy to defend and counter worked very well, and the players outworked the 15's on many occasions. If anyone was really watching, I think they would say the foul for pk was soft and many referees would not have called the foul, but don't take that away from the game, it happened and the players adjusted.
I think the game was a terrific display of different teams, talent, and heart from two groups of 15 year old boys. Some of us soccer parents actually enjoy seeing more than one team play well and have success.
I specifically like to see a team like Wildcats, whom the MU club seems to think is their second best, prove that they have been the better team for two years now. In my opinion, because they play like a team, rather than rely on a few players.
So MTA wins at U13, U14 and U15.
Seems like their Academy strategy is working very well.
They had 3 of the 4 boys teams in the semis at U13.
The scary thing is one of those teams is a true U12 team who will be untouchable next year at their own age.
the MTA 15 parents really know how to crap in their pants if things don't go their way. I bet the porta-potties were overflowing with MTA $hit.
any bitterness this morning - 10:48?
ps - thanks for profanity, real classy.
The program that needs to go back to the drawing board is SSM.
All in all quite a flameout for the little generals troops.
10:48,
Finally up and struggling through that hangover, eh?
10:45, the MTA true U12 team on the boys side did not actually make it to the semifinals. But they played very well in their group and actually beat a tough MTA West team, which itself lost in the semis narrowly (pks) to the eventual champs.
I need some bbq-sauce for my crow!
Valley 17s did win and are a good team. Congratulations. I have also heard through some referee buddies that they are a class team as well. Congrats again. I have the opposite about the SCV team.
Valley get to represent MN at Regionals and test themselves. Congrats to them and best of luck.
Yeah. SCV 17s are a mess. Look for movement this fall.
SCV U17B will not be going to regionals as the wild card. Team Ohio won its game this afternoon putting them in first place in MRL U17 Premier Blue which earns them the wildcard.
good luck to Mark and the VLY boys. They deserve the trip and have been playing good.
kchavez - You think OH-S fixed the game to eliminate SCV?
mta parent (wink wink)
I watched the 17s final,all didnt seem right with SCV,didnt show a lot of passion/hunger to get back in it.
SCV had numerous opportunities in the 2nd half but couldn't put the ball on frame.
They had enough good looks to tie or win the game but in this game were the "gang who couldn't shoot straight."
tie or win the game?Funny stuff,they lost 3 0,no excuses at 3 0.I think they had two clear chances,average day one of the two goes in,that makes 3 1.
SCV had no chance to win the game. Valley became a little lazy with their lead and that led to a chance for SCV.
The score line was a fair representation of the game.
Actually, good to hear that SCV are not going to regionals, as they cheated their way into existance.
1023 - bitter, bitter, bitter
10:23 = loser WBL parent. he's the only one still bugged by the SCV deal.
mta parent 7:27--when i posted the info on MRL and SCV, it was simpl new info just released on MRL website. It was relevant to the state cup outcome for that age group. No opinion either way.
U13 MTEBC101
U14 MTABPR01
U15 MTA15BMW01
U16 SSM18BC012
U17 VLY17BPR01
U18 MTA18BW01
The only repeats were the U14 & U18. Congrat's to State Cup Winners, continue to work hard Region's are just around the corner.
Nice showing for boys Thunder teams.
It will be interesting to watch, over the next few years, if the Thunder holds on to these players.
In general, boys rosters seem more fluid.
Who's been in charge of training those 13-15 teams?
U13 - U15 training at MTA has been done this year by Herskovitz at U13, Zahl at U14, and Bunbury at U15. This is a classy group that does it the right way. Add to this Yueill who worked with some of the current U13s last year as U12s (and who has his own strong group of U12s this year), and you have a solid core of coaches at those very important age groups in terms of player development.
Thanks.
That explains it.
If they can keep the boys together, I bet those teams stay strong.
Time will tell if all the mentioned coaches do as well with older players.
Great start however!
yeah,they developed all those players at MTA,didnt recruit a single player from any other club!
Its a case of better players,thats all.
anon 5:02,
When do you think player development ends? At U10? U12? U14?
Do players still "develop" when they're in high school? In college?
Don't we talk about NFL QBs developing when they're 25-28 years old?
Do you think it's any different with soccer players?
didnt say when it ended.I said that a lot of good players came from other clubs,put the better players on one team and they will win a lot of games,simple stuff that has nothing to do with coaching
5:12,
So why do college teams and pro teams offer multi-million dollar contracts to their football and basketball coaches?
Why do pro teams offer multi-million dollars contracts to hockey coaches and baseball managers?
You should really think for a minute before making such a stupid post.
Good thing you're anonymous.
u13 mte boys dominated in championship. when really that wasn't even close to a championship game. dominating in league play as well. this will be a good team as they grow up and play MRL.
I was going to chastise 5:16 for making a ridiculous comparison between MTA's youth soccer program and professional, paid athletes...then I realized they're eerily similar.
MTA is loaded with the best players from other clubs. The 15s weren't much to look at when they were 12 and 13, but then the recruiting began...list their 5 best players today, and none of them wore the "blues" three years ago.
11:11 glad to see you are admitting it was a "deal." What did the DD's get out of switching their votes to allow it?
TellsIt,
If the players you mention belonged to a club that offered the training and opportunity they saw at Bangu/MTA why would they bother leaving?
Would they have had the same quality and quantity of training?
Would they have the chance to win at State Cup?
Would they have the chance to play in high level college search tournaments?
Why would they switch clubs if their old club had as much to offer?
if you want to see real player development look at the VLY 17B, they have 8 players from their U10 team still on that roster, and 11 from their U13 team which was the first year that they played full field
That is great player development from the two VLY coaches who have been with those boys since they were U10
As someone with a kid on a team that has lost players to MTA, I'll take a stab at 6:59's attempt to convince us MTA is the only option.
"Would they have had the same quality and quantity of training?" I'll put my kid's coaching director, trainers, coach and training program up against anyone's. It is outstanding. MTA DOES NOT have a monopoly on quality training. No way.
"Would they have the chance to win at State Cup?" While everyone has a chance to win at State Cup, my kid's team has been semifinalists since they were 13s, finalists once, and victors over the top MTA team twice. MTA made a great case for itself this year with the sheer number of teams they entered into State Cup, but man, a lot of other clubs won titles this year.
"Would they have the chance to play in high level college search tournaments?" My kid's team has traveled all over the midwest, and now the country, competing at MRL, US Club Soccer, and Showcase tournaments. I'm not sure why you think kids need to play for MTA to be able to play in high level college search tournaments.
"Why would they switch clubs if their old club had as much to offer?" I don't know. I do know my kid's club chooses to subsidize families who need the help, rather than the really really good players. Also, my kid's club isn't very good at promoting itself to the Minnesota soccer world as the only place you can grow into a great soccer player. No one does that louder than MTA.
7:54, are you suggesting then that the kids who left your program only did so because they fell for some marketing pitch? That might be why a parent might want to move a kid. But the players themselves usually have something else in mind. Oftentimes they leave because they want to challenge themselves by playing with a group of talented, committed players. I could see a player coming to MTA for that reason or leaving MTA for that reason. It all depends which club is offering what at which age group. Some of these players who want this challenge thrive by training with that sort of group, others learn that they would enjoy the continuity of sticking with a team instead of bouncing around. Each kid ultimately decides for himself or herself, and the kids (not parents) are generally pretty insightful about this. After all, they actually play the game because they like to play the game (and they know who plays the game well because they are in the competition), while the parents obsess about college and marketing pitches. So chances are that, if a kid left your kid's program, the program might not be all that you build it up to be in the eyes of the departing kid. But instead of respecting that kid's decision, you basically demean them by calling them gullible. This is exactly what is wrong with soccer in this state right now. If you have a good program that works for you, be proud of it and build it and more likely than not kids will stick around. If they don't, there is usually a legitimate reason why even if you want to pretend otherwise.
Recruiting? People act as it it's only MTA that has players from more than 1 "community".
Check out the roster for the Valley United U17 boys State Cup champs. Or the U17 boys SCV finalists.
Then go check the roster of the Woodbury U17 girls State Cup champions.
Don't kid yourself. Recruiting goes on at almost every premier league team and also for most C1 teams.
Why do so many clubs place ads for their tryouts in Soccer Times? Isn't that recruiting?
7:54 Good post. Thank you for looking at the situation from both sides and reaching a positive conclusion.
For all the people who talk about losing players to recruiting, please get over it. If a kid, or his parents decide the grass is greener somewhere else you have no right to be upset about it. Think before your jealousy takes over. Some players just don't fit with others, some want things you don't have, some are so good it helps the team they have left develop into a better team because they don't just rely on one player anymore.
Please, just support your kid, your coach, your program as best you can. The cream needs to rise to the top to allow themselves and others to grow, and our state just doesn't seem to like this. Do you own your childs teammates? Should you really have input on the decisions their parents make?
the whole recruiting thing is always interesting to listen to. i had an interesting discussion a few years ago with a friend who coaches in a different club.
he gave me quite a bit of grief for the "poaching" that my club did (yes, i was coaching in that evil club), and told me i better not go after any of his players. i laughed him off, and reminded him that mostly players sought me out, and i did not really commit time to "recruiting" players for the next year.
after he regained his composure, we were able to talk about his team a little. he had done a nice job with them, and they had aspirations. it was cool to hear exactly which kids he had targeted - AND ALREADY CONTACTED - for joining him the next year.
i still giggle about this today when i hear or read the lunatic haters complain about "recruiting".
btw, most entertaining final match - SSM vs MTA U16B. Hard to believe it was 1-0, both teams created very good looks at goal, and both keepers made some wonderful plays to keep the game tied.
great stuff fellas, and good luck ssm in sioux falls
But I thought MTA "developed" their players...not.
9:14,
They do.
At what age does development stop?
U10? U12? U14?
Do players continue to develop in college?
Do players continue to develop when they become professionals?
So funny how some of you see things. I tell you from personal experience. My son played for a CC premier team last year. This year he opted to move to the MTA team, all on his own choice. He tried out and made both teams and would have been a starter playing same amount of time either way. He chose MTA for reasons some of you stated...a chance to play with players that have the same commitment, same level of skills, and yes, same level of commitments from the parents as well. There were no recruiting done by any MTA coaches, directors, or anyone. He is still friends with his former teammates, he still praises his former coach for teaching him what he knows now, and he still cheer for his former team. Yet, he enjoys the time he has with his new team and is moving forward learning new things with new teammates and a new coach. Don't forget that at the end of the day, this is still about our kids and soccer. Not about business and it isn't about us parents.
Very impressive performance by MTA boys at State Cup.
RZ has done a great job over the last few years developing the players and teams at the younger age groups.
Not only did they win at U13, U14 and U15 they did it playing nice soccer not just booting the ball forward to a couple of standout players.
I'm sure the Thunder brass is impressed with these results. I'm sure this is what they're hoping for.
Did any players win both a 2009 State Cup championship and a 2008 High School State championship?
dont know about winning state last season in high school, but if Valley doesnt win state this year in high school that is sad with 8 players on the VLY U17 team
1224 - good luck to them, I wish them well.
I had the EP boys premier team U17 last year that won the league (I know MTA wasn't present)
only key position missing from HS was the goalie who plays for SLP.
Vince of EP worked his magic and denied them the opportunity of succeeding a bit more in HS.
I thought if you kept the basic squad that was out on the field during the summer they would have no problem in HS. Well he didn't do that.
It was a shame because the boys deserved better.
I wish the Valley squad luck and hope things are not over thought at the HS level for them.
AB from Osseo is on the U18 MTA team. I beleive they also have a couple of players from the Bloomington team. HS is really a completely different game. For example WB, "Mr Soccer" does not have much of an impact in club games. Thou CM & KP had a lot of sucess in both.
11 12am,Rob,at least have someone else post for you!
"I coach u 17s,the one lineslady did both our games,called us offside at least 10 times first game{in the second half} and disallowed a goal second game,to be honest she isnt fit to officiate,its a shame to train to be undone by one idiot,Peter"
OK, let's get to the bottom of something, and maybe this will change things slightly. See the prior cheap shot (10:54)? Notice it is from the same dude who throughout this entire thread shows he never learned that a space follows a comma? Check out your WSD coach at U17 and at least you know one of the jokers in this blog who loves to take cheap shots. If you look at the posts in this thread alone, you'll be impressed with the bile.
People, give it a rest. There is plenty good going on in this state that you don't have to engage in this sort of nonsense. Just because someone makes a nice remark about someone doesn't mean it is a fake post or that the poster has some agenda. MANY of us appreciate and want to say GOOD things about coaches who do a nice job. We would like those people to get the praise they deserve REGARDLESS OF CLUB AFFILIATION (WSD, MTA, SCV, SSM, WDB, PSA, BHK, whoever!) so that the sport improves in this state. Good faith criticism is cool, too, but those who lurk and take cheap shots because of petty resentments or jealousies are contributing to a really sad state of affairs.
8:32 It's all about coaching and meshing players to where they excell the most. Get the best of what you've got and win games.
Relax 10:54...it was my husband's post and he isn't Rob! But it's true, Rob has done a great job in training & teaching the beautiful game.
Saw Rob's U14 team played...they are good but sometimes they play too much possession with short passes...not very good at longer balls, switching, and threatening plays in the forward third of the field. Too much 'American' style of futbol versus European of South Americans. Need to work on longer plays as they get older.
I'll tell you what...the guy can recruit.
the best coaches/programs don't have to recruit - the players just want to go there......
5:07 -- You are right. Mine did. And he wasn't asked or invited or recruited. And he loves it.
Only comment on RZ, leave him with the younger players, as they get older past U14, he doesn't handle them well, unless he has learned his lessons from past experience, he has shown no discipline and creates an atmosphere where his so called SuperStars can do what ever they want, they don't need to come to practice, show up 5 minutes before game and start, mouth off to team mates and officials and nothing is done about it by RZ. So leave him with the U14 and younger and he is very good at development, but have a more disciplined coach for the older players.
6:51, speaking of petty resentments etc. By the way, and without knowing what really happened with the team you mentioned, many coaches (including me) look at the way we coached or handled players when we were younger and recognize what we might do differently. RZ is still a young guy, and if he (or any other young coach like him) might have mishandled a prior situation involving older adolescent males, that is hardly surprising. Now he has a reputation for laying down the law, and maybe that has something to do with what he has learned over the years while getting some impressive results.
Zahl sat 4 starters for at least a half in State Cup pool play vs SCV for showing up late.
Whether that was discipline or he didn't want to "show all his cards" in match where the team was already assured of being semis will never be known.
But it did work out for discipline purposes and also proved to be strategic as they spanked the SCV team in the final 4-0.
Post of the year. "It was my husband not Rob!"
Comical stuff now the wives are posting for MTA coaches!
7:11 get a life!
RZ is a far better coach than any of the yahoos at SCV, MUS, WYZ, EDP, VLY, EDI, DKT, BHK, or any of the other large CCs. They are full of arrogant old d-bags.
i think one of the most underrated coaches in the state is the VLY 17 boys coach he has been very successful for a long time with a lot of different teams boys and girls, club and high school, it doenst really matter he has been successful on many different levels and it is paying off this year with his boys team, congrats to them and good luck at regionals
MTA recruiting - this is unsubstantiated as a practice and most likely a knee jerk reaction from any club losing a player to MTA. The coaches know the best talent in other teams and may show a personal interest in such players. But the best players also gravitate toward the winning teams and may decide to try out. The fact of the matter is that they are interested in any top player regardless of where they live and ability to pay, which may not be the case with community clubs. Any recruiting that goes on is no more or less than any other team.
MTA development vs acquisition of talent - clearly its a mixture; some teams have several players that have been in the system for years but there are also new players added nearly every year and long time players cut. The MTA u16 team in the finals kept less than half the players from the previous year.
MTA talks player development but its all about winning. They don't give a crap about parents or players and you are cut or demoted to a lower team as soon as the perceived better player comes along (tryouts). The coaching is top notch but this condition along with the high fees are the price you pay. The level of disorganization and lack of communication is also part of the deal. If you are looking for a true soccer community, its not there. There is also pressure on paying parents to also cover costs of supporting scholarship players.
The girls u12/u13 state cup flap is an example of the winning at all costs mentality inherent in this club. The good of the club really came before what was best for the players in tanking the game, even though the coach claims it was all about "protecting" the younger kids. C'mon, it was about putting the best team in position to win state cup and advance to regionals. And how does the club respond? It moves to protect the integrity of the club and punishes all the players involved, who are completely innocent (which indirectly punishes the paying parents). I highly doubt any parents were consulted or input considered in their decisions cause they just don't care.
you started off fairly impartial 9:37 but then gradually reverted into the usual anti-mta rant. btw, mta did nothing that directly impacted the players, those were USYSA penalties.
MTA coaches cheat...players are affected. Can't blame that on the USYSA.
Did MTA wrongly DQ a team? No. MYSA did, at the behest of other teams' coaches involved in the age group. The actions of the MTA coach did not prevent any other team from advancing except his own. This did not occur in group play and affect another team, which would have given MYSA grounds to take the action they did.
Back to the same ignorant rant. MTA cheats. Winning is the only thing,blah blah blah. Let your daughter/son flounder in the world of everyone is a winner, and failure does not happen to good people. It's not true, failure is necessary and inevitable. It's the champions (not just sports) that rise above it. You parents who whine about MTA, SSM, even SCV are not doing your children any service,in fact YOU may be the reason those clubs pick other players-yep even the nicest coaches, who try to teach kids will drop one if their parent is a knucklehead.
Who won the U19 boys game, I thought it was played Saturday or did it get postponed because of rain? Nothing on the MYSA web site.
Just wondering, saw Valley 19 boys and White Bear Lake 19 Boys two weeks ago in NCS. Valley much better team, should win.
MTA cheated. MYSA enforced the rule. Simple.
MYSA did not enforce a rule. Rule 28 applies to group play. Read the rule, you will be less confused. Name the team that did not advance because of MA action. That is the team that had a beef.
All I have to say to the U17 SCV team that was created under a dark cloud is...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...cheaters never prosper, just ask MTA!!!!!!!!!!!
Loser WBL Dad is going to regionals!!!! Loser SCV Dad is staying home...knowing he has finally be caught for cheating!
Loser WBL dad is going to regionals? To watch?
Don't be silly, you know why...because my son's team won...your's didn't.
that is interesting because I am pretty sure there are no players currently on VLY who were ever on WBL
And, loser WBL dad's kid was marginal at best. Maybe he's the water boy.
So, why have people stopped posting here?
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