This post has certainly created a lot of interest and I will leave it open for a while longer. The MTA will be an interesting option. Please try to stay on topic.
Hold it? I'd be happy if you tried a breath mint or perhaps brushed your teeth. The kool aid smell is brutal. Now, let's see, the east blue superteam plays up, loses huge in league. (league that goobers generally say is not strong) They are excused as they are playing up. They lose State Cup to another team from their club that also plays up. Which is it? Good to lose or good to lose? This is a perfect example of a double standard.
1:46 - Who would you be talking to? Are you laughing at every non MTA team in MN? You must be quite the jokester. Actually, I think you were just proving my point (I'm 10:45). Either way, you're a funny ignoramous with a big hole in your wallet, and that makes me smile.
1045 or 909, My fees don't even dent my wallet and more importantly why would where I spend my money make you smile. To answer your question: 99 % of them!!
what's going on with the mTA U17B's? I heard that although the roster shows 19 kids, actually they have less than 10, kids have declined the invitation to be on that team...s'up with that?
the question with MTA 17s would be if players declined where are they playing?It seems doubtful that 9 or 10 declined and played elsewhere unless they were really put off by the set up. I did hear the whole process wasnt handled very well and some were not impressed.Could it be that the supereagles stayed there and the Wings players went to PSA or even Supereagles,maybe some other teams picked up a few of MTA 17s.
I know Valley U17 boys picked up a former bangu player and a former wings player, and a couple bangu boys are playing just shattuck, no summer club, i think the super eagles kids are the biggest question
I don't understand why the MTA rosters are kept so hush hush, what is the big deal if people know who is or is not on the team, they are already decided, someone has to have some information on this subject and it is compelling to the average soccer admirer in minnesota
i have a hypothetical question. What if a group of dissatisfied players wanted to ditch MTA and start a "tournament only" team? Would they need to find another club to be affiliated with? Is it a viable option??
we are one of those families formerly in the Bangu FC, did the try outs for MTA, and left he club after try outs. As of today her name is still posted on the MTA site as being on the team even though she now plays for a different metro club.
The best marketing tool is their success at State Cup. That and the list of their players getting D1 scholarships year after year. They don't need to do much more when you think about it.
I miss the good old days from July when the posts here talked of "thousands" of players going to Goober tryouts. Looks to me like they have about the same actually less if you consider the merger with Wings.
8:52 I think they were advertising an anticipated 95 teams for the spring season:MYSA, Midwest league and Tournament only combined. Any idea how close they (MTA) will be to that number?
Even if they have two teams from U11-U18 for both sexes, that would only equate to 32 teams. Curious where the 95 number came from (could you provide the link) unless they were hoping for 8 teams for each age for both sexes for their U7-U10 academy teams (which i sincerely doubt).
I'll say it again. There is a place for Bangu/Thunder in MN soccer circles. Just don't insinuate that you can take an average player and "grow" them into a player who will garner an athletic scholarship.
No doubt, most of the Bangu Blue teams (a collection of "community" club developed players) are very good teams. But, bear in mind that these players "grew up" in various community clubs and were "collected" along the way by Bangu to form great teams. Bangu/Thunders U-17 girl's team, the exception, is not very good because most of the exceptional players are at Woodbury and to a lesser extent PSA.
Where many of us have the problem is the Bangu/Thunder "white" teams. These teams have pillaged some very good community clubs with the unspoken promise of great things after high school. As more of these white team players don't make it to college as a soccer player, the luster will turn to bluster. As long as parents keep their rosy colored glasses on, the white teams will continue to survive. What you are/will begin to see is some community clubs forming at young ages potential great teams, which will compete with B/T and a much lower cost per player.
In summary, Bangu/Thunder has awaken some clubs, which is very good for MN soccer.
i never quite understand the cost argument. if all things being equal in terms of number of outdoor trainings (frequency, training time, numbers, etc...), indoor trainings (frequency, training time, numbers, etc...), uniforms, tournaments (same tournaments and the costs associated with entry, travel, etc...) how can a team from one club be that much cheaper? i know what coaches make at all the clubs and it's not a whole lot.
could someone please help me out on this one? and it would help if you compared apples to apples.
Think that their are a lot more people in the Thunder organisation that draw director/administrative type salries, just look on the website how many they have than their is in many other clubs
Coaches get paid about the same in MN however the overhead costs such as director salaries vary quite a bit from club to club, some clubs charge players for this some do not and try to raise the money through hosting tournaments and such instead
Bangu had close to 40 teams last year when looking at BNG, BTE and BTN (including TO teams) and Wings had about 50. Where I went to school that adds up to about 90 teams.
The way I read it it says " with the inclusion of Bangu Tsunami FC and Wings SC the Thunder academy will begin with over 90 competitive teams"
I guess it depends on if you interperet that statement to say the clubs who merged had 90 teams or read it to insinuate they will begin play with 90 plus teams. The rearview mirror math seems exagerated, unless I am wrong and in fact the new MTA actually is going to field 90 plus teams as the new club.
Did they? that was the original question. How many teams did they generate from the 90+ teams they had to start with?
10:43 - the "collected" is getting harder and harder to swallow as time goes on. It was true a few years ago, but as more and more of their players are coming up through their academies they are becoming much more "homegrown". Some of the older teams are still a collection of talent (usually brought together 2-3+ years ago) and there will always be the player who leaves their community club for the top blue team, but that's more of a free choice issue.
your wrong 11:24, the cost is not the same, especially at the U12 and lower level. asure maybe at the U16/U17 levels and collegiate showcase MTA is a better value (or maybe not) But We did extensive research into the matter with our U11 player so where well informed as to the environment we where leaving and potentially transitioning into. We will save hundreds of dollars a year and actually get a smaller coach/player ratio, more games, more practice time, and an over all more rewarding experience for our child by simply opening our eyes, stop drinking the MTA cool aid, and taling a look around. if your argument holds true that higher cost means better quality players then how do you explain all those South American, African continent, and EU youth playing in vacant lots with no coaching for much of their "formatable" learning years other than if they are lucky to have the dreaded CC coach doing it for simply becuase they can help, and not holding their hand out for more and more and more and more and more money. next thing your going to tell me is that the MTA players should only drink MTA bottled water or they will not be as good as they can get... oops that's right BTA already tried to pimp that garbage. for the last couple of seasons. i may have forgot but what has the Minnesota Thunder Acadmey done for those kids in the youth program - answer NOTHING. BTA is gone and MTA has a zero sum record. MTA can not keep bragging of results of a former club which no longer exhists. too many varibles have changed. the next year will tell us all if the MTA is worth it's cost or just has been hype. If the MTA doesn't flat out dominate the major tournements then the club is worthless. Oh yes i said it: MTA is you want to live by the tournement records then your club will dwindle based on your tournement record too. i trully with you luck, but your club simply has too much drama for me to put my kids in it any longer.
1:40 - best of luck to you and your 11 year old. sounds like you've got it all figured out. what club is this so i can bring my child to it and this sounds more along the lines of what we are looking for?
10:43 iwish you where correct but sandly still wrong. yes the younger groups of the MTA are being groomed in the program but there are constantly new players coming in. our are group is constantly adding in more players, some with no experience, some are ok, others are top players from their clubs. those top players the still holds true that MTA didn't make them good they simply recruited them. first hand experience shows that the BTA/MTA homegrown players are not that good, they are simply the ones willing to stay regardless of how their kid plays and as long as the coaches tell them there is potential. This is the same problem Gymnastics had such a bad rep for many years in the youth programs. tell the parents what they want to here so they keep spending the money even thought your trining program is not teaching those kids a darn thing. then recruit better players and claim you trained them all from scratch. now that economy is getting weak the gravy train MTA is trying to leach off of will come crashing down.
She gets more touches on the ball with Dakota Rev & Coerver COE, & some futsol on the side for fun and it still cheaper than one season at MTA. plus keeps the competition she plays with & against fresh. she can meet new friends with the same interests. She gets access to top coaching staff in the metro while gaining a broad perspective from different coaches instead of the MTA one or two coaches with their own little nich ability. what we did is the working for us maybe not you but i beg all of you to atleast look around and price it all out. the MTA base figure starts around $2,000 and that doesn't include any of the traveling, tournement fees, MTA club gear which is $250.00 just for a uniform and warms up this year. And all the mN Thunder junk you are constantly being peddled.
Ooh, I missed all the hate! You guys keep slamming MTA people while giving no credit to families who made a choice and whose kids wanted to play under the banner of the state's pro team.
Why don't you all go give it a rest and spend some time being productive instead of destructive. Choices are made and teams are set for most clubs. Leave the bashing until 2009 tryout time when all will have had time to prove or disprove themselves. Some of you can't get over stuff. Funny but pathetic.
2:19 WOW!! Are you done whining? Glad your happy playing for Rev. There is a place for everyone and just because Rev works for you, doesn't mean it will work for all.
2:19 - not sure where you got your $2K number from (but when comparing apples to apples, what you might call an apple might look more like an orange to me). My child plays for MTA and the costs are nothing near that (same age too).
However, I am happy that you found something that works for you. No animosity, nothing negative, just a sincere wish that everyone out there finds what is right for them. Let MTA people be happy where they are at and non-MTA people be happy where they are at.
2:28 / 2;56 sorry but we where in the former BTA for years and had the sense aobut us to leave this fall when we where given a copy of the fees so stop lying to every one. either that or someone other than you actualyl writes the checks to the club and you simply don;t know what you are taking about. I've seen the pricing, also, know that parents of the east/ north/ South/ west are all paying a diffeent price some with and some with out various add on fees so tells me the club has no grasp of the pricing in their own club. team uniform set should never cost $250.00 most clubs its rolled into their much lower club fees. Also, why does MTA require a "training uniform" which is more money.
ok lets go there: estimates costs for MTA as of September 2008 -yearly admin fee $400.00 (indludes soccer ball & headgear) -fall training (no games) $160.00 -winter training (no games) $725.00 -summer training (no games) $250.00 -uniform/training kit/warm ups $250.00 -fees for 8 tournements $200.00 **MTA teams are mostly tournementment only so they don't play other clubs in a competative situation until next summer. those MTA teams that decide on their own to play league charge even more. The above estime of fees does not include any personal expenses such as transportation, hotel, food.
total estimate from Sept 2008 to July 2009: $1,979.00
what you get for your money: 32 games crammed into eight summer weekends or the equivelent of 16 game days a year. advertising on your kid which you paid the MN Thunder Pro team $250.00 for privilage to wear. 103 training sessions (wow seems good) but that breaks down to only 2 training sessions per week for a full year program. which is no more or less than any other club in MYSA. but remember most MTA teams do not play fall league, winter league, or summer league.
Whoa 3:13, count to 10 or something. You might type better and not come across as a complete moron.
Two years ago our kids paid over $325 for uniforms in Bangu. Two game kits, two training kits, full warm-up, and back pack. Now in MTA our kids are paying $250 for all this stuff and wearing the same kit the pros will be in next year. Thanks MTA for saving us money.
If your club doesn't want to put the kids in training kits that's great. You get to save a tank of gas, which you don't need anyway as you're playing close to home in your community. We on the other hand are with a professional organization and paying for things that come with that. Our choice. Just like it is to spell check.
And don't bank on the no training kits in your new club as they will probably follow along. Good luck, hope your kid has a great time and hope he/she doesn't turn out as bitter as you.
4:11 Careful calling 3:13 bitter, there is nothing as bitter as a goober being challenged on their kool-aid induced stupor. Read RTR before admonishing others to use spell check. You will see some stellar writing there.
good for you - when you don't have argument go for the blog spelling. news flash no one cares about spelling in a blog except when you try to insult the person that outed your club as being a fraud. Is it with the same snotty remarks you treat the kids and not so smart parents or the not so wealthy parents in your club too?
lucky for MTA most persons don't do a price check. Go ahead keep fleecing those parents "committed" to your club.
"Thanks MTA for saving me money" MAYBE I CAN'T READ EITHER DID YOU REALLY WRITE THAT???!!
Hi MA!!!
they ripped you off two years ago and this year they are ripping you off a bit less in uniforms but raised all their admin fees and your happy!? WOW!!!
ok, you convinced me, MTA is a well planned, cost effective, and the best thing to ever hapopen to minnnesota soccer.
Wait until the slowing eonomy cuts into the pro team, you'll see the kids program eyed as a revenue stream to prop up the pro operation. It is a fact of the business world, you heard it here first.
WHO GIVES A RATS A$$ WHAT PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR CHILD TO PLAY SOCCER! Please stop worrying about my financial situation and how much I pay for my child to play for MTA - MY CHOICE - MY MONEY! If your happy playing and paying what you do with your CC, GREAT! Move on already!!!! GO MTA!
I think people are just trying to get some facts out so people can make their mind up of where they MIGHT want their child to play. We've gone thru all of this with the kids playing with CC and the High level club so we don't have a stake in it now. I'm not saying that i know what it actually cost to play for a particular club as i believe each team is different.
Let the debate continue. This is great for people stepping in to see what is going on behind the scenes in MN soccer. Personally, if people want to try MTA, why not? CC's have worked quite well for my oldest, they have always outplayed the MTA team and always beaten them and so far quite well for my youngest. We shall see how they fare vs. the MTA teams in the future. One thing I do know, our family looks at the backyard as the real proving ground. I would only hope that any parents spending $x would realize that using what a trainer teaches in three/five hours a week won't make a player. It is the "backyard" time that makes a player like CS of WDB. No, I'm not from WDB, but every time I see the kid play, it amazes me. She, did it by working her tail off and IS the best player in MN high school right now as a junior. No Bangu training either!
3:13 writing level = R2R writing level. Right. Keep reaching, you might eventually grab onto something substantial. But I don't think either are trying for a Pulitzer.
One little spark and this whole thread ignites. Testy testy out there. Not sure why so many are so up in arms about OTHER peoples' choices for soccer development.
MTA is all about $$? I know for a fact that 5 directors are sharing about $110K. Does that sound like people in it for the money? Ask Wayne H, Wayne B, or Gavin P if they'd do a job like that for that kind of money. And you want to talk about people in it for the money...
Also for the know it alls our kids pay $250 in "admin" fees. $150 in yearly registration and $100 DOC fee. At least we know where our money is going and are happy and thankfully able to pay it. Did MTA market to get us there? Damn straight they did - apparently better than anyone else.
Many other good programs out there for sure. Probably many that will field many winning teams at the younger age groups. But none will draw in the metro wide talent that MTA will at the older age groups. As it should be, right? No room in MN for two elite clubs.
4:46, Hi!! You're right. MTA is the best thing to have happened for MN soccer. It caters to the elite and everyone else works overtime to keep pace. Who is at fault for the negativity of late? MTA for offering something different or all the CCs clamoring to try and match the MTA offering in order to prevent loss of players and revenue? The answer is clear unless of course you are of the mind that the CCs CAN offer a better development environment for the elite than that that MTA offers. I'm open to hearing you debate this. Remember we're talking elite, u13 and older.
i take issue with the MTA coaching staff, short of only a handful of great coaches that only focus on the elite upper level teams in the club the remander of the coaching staff is nothing special and are just as comparable to other passionate coaches in the region including parent coaches at CC's, or worse. Coach retention has been a problem for BTA and now MTA for many years. Such instability reduces the quality of training. The core coahces are great but if your under U13 you will hardly ever see them, so end up getting the coach with his own kid on the team playing for free, the assistant to the assistant of the assistant frinds from college coach. then again what do i know I"m not an expert so join and find out for yourself. besides rummer has it many parents are with holding payment from MTA right now, so every one should join and milk them out for a few sessions and see for yourself how the cartel works. hey don't blame me I'm trying to help you, simply all are better off playing with any number of clubs at the younger ages then if your kids is stil playing soccer and actually good at it, try out for MTA (assuming they are still around) at the U13 and upper level and see what they can do, this is a very fair suggestion.
LOL at 906. No MTA training? Perhaps not, but 3 years with Abboud at formative years certainly similar to MTA academy. CS best player in state? Top 10 yes, not best. CC team outplaying an MTA Blue team? Only age that happens is U17 and that WDB team is a CC in name only. Early training under MA and hiring of fine coach in JE and bringing in players from multiple cities and traveling to major out of state tourneys from an early age all follow the MTA model. 906 is dead on in saying that skilled players are made in the back yard on their own. It gets tiring hearing people complain that older team coaches do not teach technical skills. These players have been shown drills since they were 9 years old or earlier. Go to the back yard and practice if you want to be better.
Q: do you think MTA has violated it's non profit status?
Any lawyers out there? I read somewhere that other FC's in USA are loosing their non profit status because of costs unreasonably high and connections to for profit organizations, The Thunder Academy being non profit and the Thunder pro team is for profit how can that not be a conflict of interest? Could MTA be in violation of it's non profit status based on the below.
Private Benefit/Inurement – As a 501(c)(3) it is imperative that your youth club or organization avoids all activities which would provide a substantial benefit to the private interest of any one person or individual organization. Simply stated, no one person or organization can receive direct private financial benefit from your organization. This doesn’t mean that your club can’t pay reasonable salaries; just keep your DOC’s salary under a million (that’s sarcasm, for all you over-excited DOC’s out there). ‘Inurement’ takes private benefit a step further, stating that no part of an organization’s income or assets can accrue to a person inside the organization (an insider). For example, your president cannot sign a contract to work with his own ball supply company unbeknownst to the board, in order to realize a financial gain from the deal. Inurement does not include reasonable payments for services, payments that further tax-exempt purposes, or payments for the fair market value of property. In summary, don’t try to cheat the system
Excessive Unrelated Business Income (‘UBI’) – If income is generated through “unrelated” business activities such as fundraising, product sales, sponsorships, etc., that may be taxable. If taxes are not paid on these products/services then your organization could lose non-profit status. UBI can be tricky. When evaluating whether a certain activity is taxable or not, ask yourself a question · Is your activity a trade or business? (e.g. product/merchandise sales, selling vendor sponsorships, etc.)
I see in none of the above posts attacking the MTA concept any comment at all about the kids themselves. I have a child who left a community club for MTA this year. The only reason he left for MTA was because he enjoyed playing at a level where the MTA kids were playing during the tryouts he attended. He still loves and is very proud of that community club team. He still wears their gear. Yet after lots of training over the years, he thought that the level of play at MTA was what he wanted. He had participated in ODP and went to regional camp. He didn't like that program so much because the players did not train together enough to know how to play as a team. MTA by contrast will train together and he knew that would be different. So he made his own decision about what he wanted. Who knows how the decision will play out for him, but he is very attracted to the level of play (and he has played on strong community club teams before, so he knows the level of play very well). His old community club team certainly recruited and tried to instill this level of play (so it is not exactly MTA alone that aspires to execute this concept that people attack so vehemently), but there are many factors that limited their ability to do so (and I think those factors are good priorities in many instances). What I don't understand is this. If kids want to make this choice, why should the opportunity not be there for them without all this nonsense? If kids want a community club choice, why shouldn't they have that opportunity as well?
After reading 10:40's comment, I went back and reviewed the entire thread. Based on what I could deciper, the initial "bomb" in this war was thrown out by the anti-MTA/BNG group (or for all we know 1 or 2 people) on roughly a 3:1 basis. Case in point.....after 5 days of no posts, this "discussion" was initiated by 9/25/08 at 1:42am. A fairly benign comment, but one that, IMO, was lobbed out there to illicit a response. I've got no horse in this race, but I call 'em as I see 'em.
You people must have way too much time on your hands to type books like this. Why do you do it in the first place? Do you think you will swing votes. Let the haters be haters, let the pro MTA'ers be MTA'ers.
The $250 seems high priced for a uniform package. Here are a few comparisons I was able to find from some of the non profit clubs.
Uniforms purchased from Soccer Express where Bangu purchased from also.
Valley United, $90 uniform only: 2 sock,short, Jersey. each. No posting for warm ups.
Dakota Rev $65 Uniform (2 jersey one short one set socks. Warm ups $70, training shirts (2) $20. Total Rev cost $155.
Non Soccer express purchase prices.
Edina: Uniform, $76 (one short two jerseys and two socks.) No idea on warm ups.
Eagan: Uniform $85 (one short two jerseys,two socks.) No posting on warm up costs.
Maybe Bangu had a larger package of goods, or maybe they negotiated a bad deal(unlikely) or maybe they passed along a mark up to their members. We live in a free economy and if a person wants to pay more for a product or service they certainly can do so if they believe there is value to them to do so. It does look as though Bangu is a little higher on their charges to their members for the clothing part of the annual fee for participation.
All those little extra profit centers are built in. Parents lost their way when they signed on, Elite club.... I must pay elite prices for uniforms, and now they will have the Thunder name on them oh goody!
Before people start making unfounded accusatins, does anyone know what you get for $250 from MTA? Also, the brand and quality (you can spend $3 for socks and you can spend $6 for socks, etc.....) My guess is that with the name change everyone is starting from scratch (uniforms, bag, sweats, training kits, etc...).
2:56 I agree it is possible that there is more included as I referenced "Maybe Bangu had a larger package of goods," . I doubt the quality is much better Eagan,Edina, Valley and Rev are all wearing branded uniforms. Also I'm guessing the Edina and Eagan parents aren't Kmart shoppers if you know what I mean. These are two affluent areas.
I am not passing judgement because I don't know what is included in the $250. I am just responding to someones statement that all clubs cost structures are basically the same. That is clearly not true, If MTA requires the purchase of a $250 uniform package vs another clu who only requires a $100 clothing package that is certainly increasing the cost to play for MTA vs the other club.
I can take or leave Bangu/MTA, but here are the facts from a well known CC. This CC does not require a warm-up, practice stuff or a bag.
Uniform-two tops, one short and two socks-$100 Decent warm-up-$90 Decent bag-$40 That leaves $20 for training stuff. Though I don't love/hate Bangu, they are NOT ripping anyone off on clothing. Now, as for quality of coaching at ALL levels/ages, that may well be another story........
I think that CC needs to seriously consider renegotiating their uniform etc, contract. Most clubs get a "promotional package" in addition to a better price than referenced that is used to but balls, goals, benches etc.
anyone notice the Goobers have swung the term "CC" to be a negative term. But in fact most non MTA clubs are no a "CC" for those MTA's out there: this means they are stable and have a main area of business, not some nomad holding their hands for field time and selling out for more attention.a CC is for those city league programs what are internal only such as Maplewood, or Little Canada and not part of MYSA like Woodbury, Dakota Rev, North Metro, etc.
!0:51, Please help to get them to stop hating the other clubs, help us get them to not use the term CC in a derogatory manner. Thanks fof seeing their hate for the CCs.
CC is not bad soccer. Neither is Bangu/MTA bad soccer, unless you are talking about the older MTA White teams, or the MTA 17 Blue team. Now that is BAD soccer! Why, the soon to be MTA U-17 team I believe has only won 1 of about 17 games in the last two years in the MRL. Now that is bad soccer. Sad thing is, not enough U-17 MN teams will enter the MRL this next year, so once again, the MTA 17's will enter the MRL and get in and once again exhibit "bad soccer".
MTA is a joke. ODP is a joke. everything is a joke now. play club community soccer. like lakeville soccer club or burnsville soccer club or edina pr eden prarie. its more fun.
Funny thing, several posts ago a Half crazed goober was on here ridiculing EP and Tonka 14's for having a rough time in fall MRL. He failed to mention the stellar performance the past couple yeas of the 17 Bangu MRL team. Oh wait, double standards are part of the true blue goober deal.
U17 does seem to be a down age group. As others have mentioned the second tier teams have not done well in MRL and the best team has one won game at regionals in 12 tries. It happens.
Has anyone else noticed the same type of spelling/grammatical errors in multiple posts which are supposedly from different people? Kind of makes me wonder if the same person isn't posting mulitple times as an "anon" to make it appear as though more share his/her opinion?
I think that we should make everyone take a moniker....I have signed in and will gladly continue to do so. Although, I atleast will put my moniker on my posts. Just curious.....
Also, $250 is not out of line for quality uniforms. Someone mentioned that there are "branded" uniforms that were cheaper. Each "branded" uniform company has many different levels which can be purchased. For example, one particular "brand" with a Swoosh offers jerseys which can range from $<20 each to $>50 each. Warmups from same company can range from $<65 to $>150.
The question is...how long do you want them to last? My feeling is that I'd rather spend $250 this year for my child to use them 'till they outgrow them rather than buy $90 sets of gear every two years. But, that is me.
most kids do outgrow the uniforms every 2 years. A lot of Bangu teams had poor uniforms,t shirts with a big ugly iron on decal,hopefully they'll improve that at MTA.
SSM is onto something regarding the posts. I think it is a MTA type who posts that stuff to garner sympathy and further claim to being persecuted by others. My experience is that huge majority do not care about them.
I agree with 943. I think there are a few people with an axe to grind who post the same topic anti-MTA posts over and over. And a few MTA lovers who always respond with the same arguments. I could care less what MTA does, and why others do is beyond me. I don't like their program so my kid isn't in it. If someone else does, why would I care?
They promote the idea that others are "out to get them" as a means of showing how good the program is. We have to be the best, see everyone hates us. Odd marketing strategy.
give us a break...make sure to post her name and number next time so we can all feel sorry for your daughter. What a disgusting display of an over-involved mom!
Now, after that, someone get on here and tell me about kids, not their parents chosing to play at MTA. That parent needs to get some help in seperating his/her accomplishments from the kid. I feel very sorry for that kid and hope she is getting help from other responsible people in her life.
My friends' daughter began playing for varsity in 8'th grade, started in 9'th, and will likely end up as her schools all time leading scorer. She has never played for MTA. Players can become good without them. Believe it or not.
the 11:09 post is another reason why reasonable people don't become involved with MTA or leave because of obnoxious, overbearing, my kid is the best, isn't she wonderful, parents.
HER dreams? Yeah right. Think she is the only 8th grader who has ever scored a goal playing varsity soccer? And because she plays for a particular club this happened? Shame on you for not having enough faith in your daughter that she would accomplish her own dreams without you buying them for her.
Why do the MTA people hate everybody else? Why can't they make their choice on behalf of their child and not have to convince everyone else they are wrong to not go MTA? The endless self promotion causes 90% of the toxicity in youth soccer here in Mn.
Hmmm...I think I'm going to stop coming here...nothing but a bunch of yammering idiots...Let people choose what they want! Nothing wrong with CC's or MTA. If either was that bad, wouldn't the numbers speak for themselves? I'm an MTA parent, but definately don't see anything wrong with the CC's except some BS politics with our local CC. Both have their downfalls. It isn't perfect and NEVER will be. If you like to argue, stick around...me? I'm out of here.....have fun!
99.9% of kids playing soccer in Minnesota at clubs.ccs or whatever aren't good enough and never will be good enough to play in college at any level. They could make better use of their time getting and using a library card.
Actually, between 70 and 100 MN graduating seniors from MN will play college soccer each year. About 10-15 at decent D-1 programs, about 20 at lower level D-1 programs, about 15-20 at D-2 schools and another 50-60 at D-3. About 3-5% will play in college, though some D-2, 3 college teams wouldn't beat some top level club teams.
9:39 P.M. In addition to my 7:56 post, are your kids playing soccer to make a living. or, like you, are they playing to become an idiot in adult life? If they are, then just let them enjoy the experience of playing a competitive sport with competitive friends. Isn't that a great formula to foster competition which can be used later on in life?
9:39 P.M. In addition to my 7:56 post, are your kids playing soccer to make a living. or, like you, are they playing to become an idiot in adult life? If they are, then just let them enjoy the experience of playing a competitive sport with competitive friends. Isn't that a great formula to foster competition which can be used later on in life?
9:39 P.M. In addition to my 7:56 post, are your kids playing soccer to make a living. or, like you, are they playing to become an idiot in adult life? If they are, then just let them enjoy the experience of playing a competitive sport with competitive friends. Isn't that a great formula to foster competition which can be used later on in life?
9:39 is wrong, if your parents want it bad enough, their check clears the bank (lots of 'em) you can be a D-1 prospect in the MTA program. All their players are D-1 full ride bound, just ask them.
When placed into a useful training program with like-minded/like-skilled players your chances of continuing to improve and making it to a higher level (whatever that level is) are greatly improved.
I don't think there could be an argument that your chances are better in an organized program than playing on your own in the backyard, is there?
2:47 - a few hours here and there, but not 5 (you may have just been using this to make a point about individual training). At a minimum of 3 sessions/week, that would be 15 hours in the backyard per week.
You get the point. Too many players/parents expect miracles to be worked by coaches. Fact is, great players train on their own, average players practice only. Superb players don't just happen. Every year MN turns out a few each year.
10:46- I think you are probably right. The U18s last year were a big anomoly. I mean they only have 98% of thier team back from last year, and are 3-0-1 in MRL at this point with 12 goals for and 5 against. The one tie was on a weekend when atleast one STUD player was on her formal campus visit and away.
On second thought....I don't agree at all with you 10:46-- and would like some of whatever you are smoking. Unless last year's U17 BTA team could beat last year's BTA U18 team.....I'd say you have trouble. But, then again.....I'm biased.
SSMSC 1046 was referring to the SSM U18 boys team. Down boy. Last years BTA 17 girls played last years 18's several times and the results were very even. They did have 3-4 starters graduate so may be down somewhat from last year but should give the SSM U18 girls a good match.
MYSA - bailing on the Thunder and now on a 20+ year NSC partnership. Anyone else questioning the current MYSA leadership?
October 3, 2008
I regret to report to you that the partnership agreement between the National Sports Center Foundation and the Minnesota Youth Soccer Association, which has been in place since 1985, has ended. (See letter below)
The lack of an agreement and cooperation will likely be a great inconvenience for Minnesota youth soccer players, coaches, teams and families. When the NSC and the MYSA do not coordinate the dates for Districts, the State Tournament and the USA Cup, Minnesota teams will have to choose between these two great soccer opportunities.
The conflict between these events can be solved through cooperative scheduling if the parties are committed to do so.
We at the NSC have communicated with the 1) MYSA President, 2) the Vice-President of Leagues, 3)the Youth Council, and 4) the MYSA Executive Director ; all four have stated it is not their responsibility or within their authority to resolve scheduling conflicts.
Historically MYSA Presidents and Boards had chosen to cooperate on making the dates of the USA Cup and the State Tournament work for all teams in Minnesota. It is a great disappointment for me that this cooperation does not continue as I know the conflict is avoidable having served as MYSA Executive Director from 1995 to 2000.
The purpose of this letter is to ask your help in encouraging the soccer leadership of Minnesota to resolve the problem. Please feel free to write me and let me know your suggestions. If you would like to receive e-mail updates on this subject please visit this link here and select to receive items from the "NSC/MYSA Partnership Agreement Information" list.
Steve Olson, COO National Sports Center Foundation
October 2, 2008 Bob Poretti, President Candace Daley, Executive Director Minnesota Youth Soccer Association 11577 Encore Circle Minnetonka MN 55343
Over the past nine months the National Sports Center Foundation and MYSA have exchanged letters and held numerous meetings regarding our Partnership Agreement. The MYSA interpretation of the agreement has significantly changed and now is unacceptable to the National Sports Center Foundation. The basic purpose of the agreement was to cooperate on USA Cup dates and in return the NSC would offer the MYSA a substantial discount for the MYSA State Tournament and all other MYSA use of the NSC. The NSC has upheld its part of the agreement by discounting the state tournament and other event rental rates, but the MYSA has chosen not to cooperate in scheduling the District Tournaments in harmony with the USA Cup.
Therefore, the NSC has no reason to continue in a partnership agreement with MYSA. This letter serves as official notice, on the part of the National Sports Center Foundation, that we are exercising our options under Section II of the agreement to end the contract effective the date of this letter, October 2, 2008. As of this date the MYSA and NSC will no longer have any agreements in place regarding scheduling priority or discounts for the use of NSC facilities.
However, we still believe that a cooperation agreement between our two organizations is in the best interests of soccer in Minnesota. To that end, we propose crafting a new partnership agreement which is clear to both parties, addresses the scheduling of major events and serves the best interests of the entire soccer community. We propose meetings to begin immediately in order to have the document ready for your AGM.
The ultimate goal of cooperation is for a youth soccer team in Minnesota to be able to play in both the USA Cup and the MYSA District/State Tournament. An agreement between the NSC and the MYSA would guarantee this. Non-cooperation will result in less opportunity for youth soccer in Minnesota and teams will be limited to choose one event.
We look forward to your response. As a former executive director of MYSA I know that it is possible to solve this problem with a modest effort.
Steve Olson, COO National Sports Center Foundation
Please note: The MYSA is distributing, via its website, reasons for an amendment to its rules governing the State Tournament indicating the NSC will be seeking "significant concessions" from MYSA to keep the event at the NSC. This is incorrect. The NSC has made no such requests and is only seeking the same scheduling cooperation that is in the original agreement has largely been in place between the MYSA and the NSC from 1985 to 2007, but did not happen in 2008.
MYSA is no different than any other organization. They're trying to maintain their cash flow and cover all the staff salaries. It's all about money, trust me.
Too easy to always bash MYSA, if you have a better plan, let's hear it. I'm a huge fan of USA Cup but it can't trump MYSA districts and state. IMHO USA Cup is taking the bigger gamble here, Mn teams are a huge share of the money they make and this power play may hurt them. Poor economy = less travel for out of state teams. We'll see.
We surveyed the kids (U17) on my son's team and they all would rather play USA Cup over the MYSA districts and state. They feel USA Cup is more competitive and more fun.
U-17 Boy's playing in the State Tournament are C-1 players or below. Good players don't play in the State Tournament above U-13 or certainly above U-15 as they have already moved beyond C-1 by those ages. Any team playing in U-14 or above Summer State is a team that is already not competing in the best soccer MN has to offer. Not that MN Premier leagues are so tough, but at U-14 and above the majority of MN's best have already moved on.
USA cup might provide a tough game or two, but it's pretty "cheesy" soccer unto itself because most states where good soccer is played have already shut down for the summer and not yet convened for the fall season.
No brainer in my mind: you play MYSA and try to win the State Tournament. Really sad that MYSA and USA Cup (or should I say Thunder) can't get together on this. MY kids love USA Cup but wouldn't miss the MN State Championships.
To win state at U-13 and under is a "big" deal. At U-14 it is somewhat of a "big" deal. At U-15 and above, no one cares, as the majority of good players are already playing above C-1 one way or the other, ie. MRL or MN Premier.
In looking at thier schedule (as I have said before, I am very disconnected to the boys' side), they are playing alot of College teams (Marshalltown Community College- from our community, were 3rd at NJCAA Nationals last year; Univ of Minnesota, and others). They beat MCC 3-1, which is a HUGE accomplishment.
FWIW, in speaking with the Head Coach at MCC (a good personal friend of mine)...he told me that the current Shattuck U18s are the best youth team he has ever seen.
I have no idea how good they really are, I guess everyone will have to wait and see. Or, if you are really interested....you could take a look at the schedule on the website and drop in on a game in Faribault. Then you can make your own assessment?
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Let us know when your kid's team wins State Cup.
I won't hold my breath...
Hold it? I'd be happy if you tried a breath mint or perhaps brushed your teeth. The kool aid smell is brutal.
Now, let's see, the east blue superteam plays up, loses huge in league. (league that goobers generally say is not strong) They are excused as they are playing up. They lose State Cup to another team from their club that also plays up. Which is it? Good to lose or good to lose? This is a perfect example of a double standard.
1:46 - Who would you be talking to? Are you laughing at every non MTA team in MN? You must be quite the jokester.
Actually, I think you were just proving my point (I'm 10:45). Either way, you're a funny ignoramous with a big hole in your wallet, and that makes me smile.
Yeah...keep smiling. At least he's/she's got something between the ears.
Oh...pardon....I was specifically referring to you 9:09
1045 or 909, My fees don't even dent my wallet and more importantly why would where I spend my money make you smile. To answer your question: 99 % of them!!
Now, we have to hear how much money you have? Give it a rest. Let's talk soccer.
what's going on with the mTA U17B's? I heard that although the roster shows 19 kids, actually they have less than 10, kids have declined the invitation to be on that team...s'up with that?
I also heard that kids turned down the invitation, anyone have any knowledge of the situation? a little insight would be appreciated
the question with MTA 17s would be if players declined where are they playing?It seems doubtful that 9 or 10 declined and played elsewhere unless they were really put off by the set up.
I did hear the whole process wasnt handled very well and some were not impressed.Could it be that the supereagles stayed there and the Wings players went to PSA or even Supereagles,maybe some other teams picked up a few of MTA 17s.
I know Valley U17 boys picked up a former bangu player and a former wings player, and a couple bangu boys are playing just shattuck, no summer club, i think the super eagles kids are the biggest question
I don't understand why the MTA rosters are kept so hush hush, what is the big deal if people know who is or is not on the team, they are already decided, someone has to have some information on this subject and it is compelling to the average soccer admirer in minnesota
i have a hypothetical question. What if a group of dissatisfied players wanted to ditch MTA and start a "tournament only" team? Would they need to find another club to be affiliated with? Is it a viable option??
Yes; Yes.
They could opt to play u-18 and self select any level but premier. I'm sure any club wwould be happy to help.
There are plenty of clubs who could help you. I'd suggest trying to contact some. Might have better luck than posting on a blog.
That's not the only unhappy MTA team. There are more...
That's not the only unhappy MTA team. There are more...
Care to be a bit more specific? Not that I doubt there aren't more.
Parents of players already placed are calling to look elsewhere. The problem is the stampede mentality that happens.
Can you say "Woodbury Renegades"? That turned out well.
Here's a link with some MTA team info: http://www.mnthunder.com/igsbase/igstemplate.cfm?SRC=DB&SRCN=&GnavID=3&SnavID=120
we are one of those families formerly in the Bangu FC, did the try outs for MTA, and left he club after try outs. As of today her name is still posted on the MTA site as being on the team even though she now plays for a different metro club.
They do that to create the appearance of having full teams. It is a marketing tool.
The best marketing tool is their success at State Cup.
That and the list of their players getting D1 scholarships year after year.
They don't need to do much more when you think about it.
I miss the good old days from July when the posts here talked of "thousands" of players going to Goober tryouts. Looks to me like they have about the same actually less if you consider the merger with Wings.
8:52 I think they were advertising an anticipated 95 teams for the spring season:MYSA, Midwest league and Tournament only combined. Any idea how close they (MTA) will be to that number?
Even if they have two teams from U11-U18 for both sexes, that would only equate to 32 teams. Curious where the 95 number came from (could you provide the link) unless they were hoping for 8 teams for each age for both sexes for their U7-U10 academy teams (which i sincerely doubt).
I'll say it again. There is a place for Bangu/Thunder in MN soccer circles. Just don't insinuate that you can take an average player and "grow" them into a player who will garner an athletic scholarship.
No doubt, most of the Bangu Blue teams (a collection of "community" club developed players) are very good teams. But, bear in mind that these players "grew up" in various community clubs and were "collected" along the way by Bangu to form great teams. Bangu/Thunders U-17 girl's team, the exception, is not very good because most of the exceptional players are at Woodbury and to a lesser extent PSA.
Where many of us have the problem is the Bangu/Thunder "white" teams. These teams have pillaged some very good community clubs with the unspoken promise of great things after high school. As more of these white team players don't make it to college as a soccer player, the luster will turn to bluster. As long as parents keep their rosy colored glasses on, the white teams will continue to survive. What you are/will begin to see is some community clubs forming at young ages potential great teams, which will compete with B/T and a much lower cost per player.
In summary, Bangu/Thunder has awaken some clubs, which is very good for MN soccer.
i never quite understand the cost argument. if all things being equal in terms of number of outdoor trainings (frequency, training time, numbers, etc...), indoor trainings (frequency, training time, numbers, etc...), uniforms, tournaments (same tournaments and the costs associated with entry, travel, etc...) how can a team from one club be that much cheaper? i know what coaches make at all the clubs and it's not a whole lot.
could someone please help me out on this one? and it would help if you compared apples to apples.
11:24: Don't change the subject. B/T doesn't manufacture players, it collects them.
Think that their are a lot more people in the Thunder organisation that draw director/administrative type salries, just look on the website how many they have than their is in many other clubs
Coaches get paid about the same in MN however the overhead costs such as director salaries vary quite a bit from club to club, some clubs charge players for this some do not and try to raise the money through hosting tournaments and such instead
10:04 My bad, they only said 90 teams.
http://www.mnthunder.com/igsbase/igstemplate.cfm?SRC=MD006&SRCN=articledetails&GnavID=10&SnavID=47&TnavID=&NewsID=425&NewsCatIDdisplay=&KeywordSearch=.
It was in their initial press release anouncing the takeover of Wings.
Bangu had close to 40 teams last year when looking at BNG, BTE and BTN (including TO teams) and Wings had about 50.
Where I went to school that adds up to about 90 teams.
The way I read it it says " with the inclusion of Bangu Tsunami FC and Wings SC the Thunder academy will begin with over 90 competitive teams"
I guess it depends on if you interperet that statement to say the clubs who merged had 90 teams or read it to insinuate they will begin play with 90 plus teams.
The rearview mirror math seems exagerated, unless I am wrong and in fact the new MTA actually is going to field 90 plus teams as the new club.
Did they? that was the original question. How many teams did they generate from the 90+ teams they had to start with?
How can an area this size have 90 elite teams? People can't be that stupid.
Don't underestimate these Gomers.
90 elite teams?
No one here has 90 elite players.
10:43 - the "collected" is getting harder and harder to swallow as time goes on. It was true a few years ago, but as more and more of their players are coming up through their academies they are becoming much more "homegrown". Some of the older teams are still a collection of talent (usually brought together 2-3+ years ago) and there will always be the player who leaves their community club for the top blue team, but that's more of a free choice issue.
your wrong 11:24, the cost is not the same, especially at the U12 and lower level. asure maybe at the U16/U17 levels and collegiate showcase MTA is a better value (or maybe not) But We did extensive research into the matter with our U11 player so where well informed as to the environment we where leaving and potentially transitioning into. We will save hundreds of dollars a year and actually get a smaller coach/player ratio, more games, more practice time, and an over all more rewarding experience for our child by simply opening our eyes, stop drinking the MTA cool aid, and taling a look around. if your argument holds true that higher cost means better quality players then how do you explain all those South American, African continent, and EU youth playing in vacant lots with no coaching for much of their "formatable" learning years other than if they are lucky to have the dreaded CC coach doing it for simply becuase they can help, and not holding their hand out for more and more and more and more and more money. next thing your going to tell me is that the MTA players should only drink MTA bottled water or they will not be as good as they can get... oops that's right BTA already tried to pimp that garbage. for the last couple of seasons. i may have forgot but what has the Minnesota Thunder Acadmey done for those kids in the youth program - answer NOTHING. BTA is gone and MTA has a zero sum record. MTA can not keep bragging of results of a former club which no longer exhists. too many varibles have changed. the next year will tell us all if the MTA is worth it's cost or just has been hype. If the MTA doesn't flat out dominate the major tournements then the club is worthless. Oh yes i said it: MTA is you want to live by the tournement records then your club will dwindle based on your tournement record too. i trully with you luck, but your club simply has too much drama for me to put my kids in it any longer.
1:40 - best of luck to you and your 11 year old. sounds like you've got it all figured out. what club is this so i can bring my child to it and this sounds more along the lines of what we are looking for?
10:43 iwish you where correct but sandly still wrong. yes the younger groups of the MTA are being groomed in the program but there are constantly new players coming in. our are group is constantly adding in more players, some with no experience, some are ok, others are top players from their clubs. those top players the still holds true that MTA didn't make them good they simply recruited them. first hand experience shows that the BTA/MTA homegrown players are not that good, they are simply the ones willing to stay regardless of how their kid plays and as long as the coaches tell them there is potential. This is the same problem Gymnastics had such a bad rep for many years in the youth programs. tell the parents what they want to here so they keep spending the money even thought your trining program is not teaching those kids a darn thing.
then recruit better players and claim you trained them all from scratch. now that economy is getting weak the gravy train MTA is trying to leach off of will come crashing down.
2:05
She gets more touches on the ball with Dakota Rev & Coerver COE, & some futsol on the side for fun and it still cheaper than one season at MTA. plus keeps the competition she plays with & against fresh. she can meet new friends with the same interests. She gets access to top coaching staff in the metro while gaining a broad perspective from different coaches instead of the MTA one or two coaches with their own little nich ability. what we did is the working for us maybe not you but i beg all of you to atleast look around and price it all out. the MTA base figure starts around $2,000 and that doesn't include any of the traveling, tournement fees, MTA club gear which is $250.00 just for a uniform and warms up this year. And all the mN Thunder junk you are constantly being peddled.
Ooh, I missed all the hate! You guys keep slamming MTA people while giving no credit to families who made a choice and whose kids wanted to play under the banner of the state's pro team.
Why don't you all go give it a rest and spend some time being productive instead of destructive. Choices are made and teams are set for most clubs. Leave the bashing until 2009 tryout time when all will have had time to prove or disprove themselves. Some of you can't get over stuff. Funny but pathetic.
We have a good debate.
We have a good debate.
2:19 WOW!! Are you done whining? Glad your happy playing for Rev. There is a place for everyone and just because Rev works for you, doesn't mean it will work for all.
Where in Minnesota is there a pro soccer team?
$250 for uniforms? Where is all that money going? Another hidden "upcharge" parents need to pay attention to this stuff.
2:19 - not sure where you got your $2K number from (but when comparing apples to apples, what you might call an apple might look more like an orange to me). My child plays for MTA and the costs are nothing near that (same age too).
However, I am happy that you found something that works for you. No animosity, nothing negative, just a sincere wish that everyone out there finds what is right for them. Let MTA people be happy where they are at and non-MTA people be happy where they are at.
In a few months most of you won't even have the ching to keep your kids playing in any sports clubs.Get you library cards now and avoid the rush.
2:45 - since you know that $250 is too much for uniforms, please advise everyone reading what the $250 gets you and what it should cost?
2:28 / 2;56 sorry but we where in the former BTA for years and had the sense aobut us to leave this fall when we where given a copy of the fees so stop lying to every one. either that or someone other than you actualyl writes the checks to the club and you simply don;t know what you are taking about. I've seen the pricing, also, know that parents of the east/ north/ South/ west are all paying a diffeent price some with and some with out various add on fees so tells me the club has no grasp of the pricing in their own club. team uniform set should never cost $250.00 most clubs its rolled into their much lower club fees. Also, why does MTA require a "training uniform" which is more money.
ok lets go there:
estimates costs for MTA as of September 2008
-yearly admin fee $400.00 (indludes soccer ball & headgear)
-fall training (no games) $160.00
-winter training (no games) $725.00
-summer training (no games) $250.00
-uniform/training kit/warm ups $250.00
-fees for 8 tournements $200.00
**MTA teams are mostly tournementment only so they don't play other clubs in a competative situation until next summer. those MTA teams that decide on their own to play league charge even more. The above estime of fees does not include any personal expenses such as transportation, hotel, food.
total estimate from Sept 2008 to July 2009: $1,979.00
what you get for your money: 32 games crammed into eight summer weekends or the equivelent of 16 game days a year. advertising on your kid which you paid the MN Thunder Pro team $250.00 for privilage to wear. 103 training sessions (wow seems good) but that breaks down to only 2 training sessions per week for a full year program. which is no more or less than any other club in MYSA. but remember most MTA teams do not play fall league, winter league, or summer league.
Whoa 3:13, count to 10 or something. You might type better and not come across as a complete moron.
Two years ago our kids paid over $325 for uniforms in Bangu. Two game kits, two training kits, full warm-up, and back pack. Now in MTA our kids are paying $250 for all this stuff and wearing the same kit the pros will be in next year. Thanks MTA for saving us money.
If your club doesn't want to put the kids in training kits that's great. You get to save a tank of gas, which you don't need anyway as you're playing close to home in your community. We on the other hand are with a professional organization and paying for things that come with that. Our choice. Just like it is to spell check.
And don't bank on the no training kits in your new club as they will probably follow along. Good luck, hope your kid has a great time and hope he/she doesn't turn out as bitter as you.
4:11 Careful calling 3:13 bitter, there is nothing as bitter as a goober being challenged on their kool-aid induced stupor. Read RTR before admonishing others to use spell check. You will see some stellar writing there.
good for you - when you don't have argument go for the blog spelling. news flash no one cares about spelling in a blog except when you try to insult the person that outed your club as being a fraud. Is it with the same snotty remarks you treat the kids and not so smart parents or the not so wealthy parents in your club too?
lucky for MTA most persons don't do a price check. Go ahead keep fleecing those parents "committed" to your club.
"Thanks MTA for saving me money"
MAYBE I CAN'T READ EITHER DID YOU REALLY WRITE THAT???!!
Hi MA!!!
they ripped you off two years ago and this year they are ripping you off a bit less in uniforms but raised all their admin fees and your happy!? WOW!!!
ok, you convinced me, MTA is a well planned, cost effective, and the best thing to ever hapopen to minnnesota soccer.
Wait until the slowing eonomy cuts into the pro team, you'll see the kids program eyed as a revenue stream to prop up the pro operation. It is a fact of the business world, you heard it here first.
WHO GIVES A RATS A$$ WHAT PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR CHILD TO PLAY SOCCER! Please stop worrying about my financial situation and how much I pay for my child to play for MTA - MY CHOICE - MY MONEY! If your happy playing and paying what you do with your CC, GREAT! Move on already!!!! GO MTA!
I think people are just trying to get some facts out so people can make their mind up of where they MIGHT want their child to play.
We've gone thru all of this with the kids playing with CC and the High level club so we don't have a stake in it now. I'm not saying that i know what it actually cost to play for a particular club as i believe each team is different.
Let the debate continue. This is great for people stepping in to see what is going on behind the scenes in MN soccer. Personally, if people want to try MTA, why not? CC's have worked quite well for my oldest, they have always outplayed the MTA team and always beaten them and so far quite well for my youngest. We shall see how they fare vs. the MTA teams in the future. One thing I do know, our family looks at the backyard as the real proving ground. I would only hope that any parents spending $x would realize that using what a trainer teaches in three/five hours a week won't make a player. It is the "backyard" time that makes a player like CS of WDB. No, I'm not from WDB, but every time I see the kid play, it amazes me. She, did it by working her tail off and IS the best player in MN high school right now as a junior. No Bangu training either!
Weeeeeee! This is fun!
3:13 writing level = R2R writing level. Right. Keep reaching, you might eventually grab onto something substantial. But I don't think either are trying for a Pulitzer.
One little spark and this whole thread ignites. Testy testy out there. Not sure why so many are so up in arms about OTHER peoples' choices for soccer development.
MTA is all about $$? I know for a fact that 5 directors are sharing about $110K. Does that sound like people in it for the money? Ask Wayne H, Wayne B, or Gavin P if they'd do a job like that for that kind of money. And you want to talk about people in it for the money...
Also for the know it alls our kids pay $250 in "admin" fees. $150 in yearly registration and $100 DOC fee. At least we know where our money is going and are happy and thankfully able to pay it. Did MTA market to get us there? Damn straight they did - apparently better than anyone else.
Many other good programs out there for sure. Probably many that will field many winning teams at the younger age groups. But none will draw in the metro wide talent that MTA will at the older age groups. As it should be, right? No room in MN for two elite clubs.
4:46, Hi!! You're right. MTA is the best thing to have happened for MN soccer. It caters to the elite and everyone else works overtime to keep pace. Who is at fault for the negativity of late? MTA for offering something different or all the CCs clamoring to try and match the MTA offering in order to prevent loss of players and revenue? The answer is clear unless of course you are of the mind that the CCs CAN offer a better development environment for the elite than that that MTA offers. I'm open to hearing you debate this. Remember we're talking elite, u13 and older.
5:11, nope.
I must be MA.
i take issue with the MTA coaching staff, short of only a handful of great coaches that only focus on the elite upper level teams in the club the remander of the coaching staff is nothing special and are just as comparable to other passionate coaches in the region including parent coaches at CC's, or worse. Coach retention has been a problem for BTA and now MTA for many years. Such instability reduces the quality of training. The core coahces are great but if your under U13 you will hardly ever see them, so end up getting the coach with his own kid on the team playing for free, the assistant to the assistant of the assistant frinds from college coach. then again what do i know I"m not an expert so join and find out for yourself. besides rummer has it many parents are with holding payment from MTA right now, so every one should join and milk them out for a few sessions and see for yourself how the cartel works.
hey don't blame me I'm trying to help you, simply all are better off playing with any number of clubs at the younger ages then if your kids is stil playing soccer and actually good at it, try out for MTA (assuming they are still around) at the U13 and upper level and see what they can do, this is a very fair suggestion.
LOL at 906. No MTA training? Perhaps not, but 3 years with Abboud at formative years certainly similar to MTA academy. CS best player in state? Top 10 yes, not best. CC team outplaying an MTA Blue team? Only age that happens is U17 and that WDB team is a CC in name only. Early training under MA and hiring of fine coach in JE and bringing in players from multiple cities and traveling to major out of state tourneys from an early age all follow the MTA model.
906 is dead on in saying that skilled players are made in the back yard on their own. It gets tiring hearing people complain that older team coaches do not teach technical skills. These players have been shown drills since they were 9 years old or earlier. Go to the back yard and practice if you want to be better.
Q: do you think MTA has violated it's non profit status?
Any lawyers out there? I read somewhere that other FC's in USA are loosing their non profit status because of costs unreasonably high and connections to for profit organizations, The Thunder Academy being non profit and the Thunder pro team is for profit how can that not be a conflict of interest? Could MTA be in violation of it's non profit status based on the below.
Private Benefit/Inurement – As a 501(c)(3) it is imperative that your youth club or organization avoids all activities which would provide a substantial benefit to the private interest of any one person or individual organization. Simply stated, no one person or organization can receive direct private financial benefit from your organization. This doesn’t mean that your club can’t pay reasonable salaries; just keep your DOC’s salary under a million (that’s sarcasm, for all you over-excited DOC’s out there).
‘Inurement’ takes private benefit a step further, stating that no part of an organization’s income or assets can accrue to a person inside the organization (an insider). For example, your president cannot sign a contract to work with his own ball supply company unbeknownst to the board, in order to realize a financial gain from the deal. Inurement does not include reasonable payments for services, payments that further tax-exempt purposes, or payments for the fair market value of property. In summary, don’t try to cheat the system
Excessive Unrelated Business Income (‘UBI’) – If income is generated through “unrelated” business activities such as fundraising, product sales, sponsorships, etc., that may be taxable. If taxes are not paid on these products/services then your organization could lose non-profit status. UBI can be tricky. When evaluating whether a certain activity is taxable or not, ask yourself a question · Is your activity a trade or business? (e.g. product/merchandise sales, selling vendor sponsorships, etc.)
I see in none of the above posts attacking the MTA concept any comment at all about the kids themselves. I have a child who left a community club for MTA this year. The only reason he left for MTA was because he enjoyed playing at a level where the MTA kids were playing during the tryouts he attended. He still loves and is very proud of that community club team. He still wears their gear. Yet after lots of training over the years, he thought that the level of play at MTA was what he wanted. He had participated in ODP and went to regional camp. He didn't like that program so much because the players did not train together enough to know how to play as a team. MTA by contrast will train together and he knew that would be different. So he made his own decision about what he wanted. Who knows how the decision will play out for him, but he is very attracted to the level of play (and he has played on strong community club teams before, so he knows the level of play very well). His old community club team certainly recruited and tried to instill this level of play (so it is not exactly MTA alone that aspires to execute this concept that people attack so vehemently), but there are many factors that limited their ability to do so (and I think those factors are good priorities in many instances). What I don't understand is this. If kids want to make this choice, why should the opportunity not be there for them without all this nonsense? If kids want a community club choice, why shouldn't they have that opportunity as well?
Simply put, kids don't make the choice, parents do, and for often times poor reasons.
this thread and topic reminds me of the movie "Ground Hog Day" with Bill Murray........
I assume you are referring to the annoying Bangu,, errrr insurance salesman coming back with the same tired pitch day after day.
It wont be so annoying when MTA wins 7,452 State Cup titles this year you dirty hater.
After reading 10:40's comment, I went back and reviewed the entire thread. Based on what I could deciper, the initial "bomb" in this war was thrown out by the anti-MTA/BNG group (or for all we know 1 or 2 people) on roughly a 3:1 basis. Case in point.....after 5 days of no posts, this "discussion" was initiated by 9/25/08 at 1:42am. A fairly benign comment, but one that, IMO, was lobbed out there to illicit a response. I've got no horse in this race, but I call 'em as I see 'em.
(or for all we know 1 or 2 people)
For all we know you might have a horse in this race.
You people must have way too much time on your hands to type books like this. Why do you do it in the first place? Do you think you will swing votes. Let the haters be haters, let the pro MTA'ers be MTA'ers.
Case Closed.
Look, I can type a long post too.
HA
The $250 seems high priced for a uniform package. Here are a few comparisons I was able to find from some of the non profit clubs.
Uniforms purchased from Soccer Express where Bangu purchased from also.
Valley United, $90 uniform only: 2 sock,short, Jersey. each. No posting for warm ups.
Dakota Rev $65 Uniform (2 jersey one short one set socks. Warm ups $70, training shirts (2) $20.
Total Rev cost $155.
Non Soccer express purchase prices.
Edina: Uniform, $76 (one short two jerseys and two socks.) No idea on warm ups.
Eagan: Uniform $85 (one short two jerseys,two socks.) No posting on
warm up costs.
Maybe Bangu had a larger package of goods, or maybe they negotiated a bad deal(unlikely) or maybe they passed along a mark up to their members.
We live in a free economy and if a person wants to pay more for a product or service they certainly can do so if they believe there is value to them to do so. It does look as though Bangu is a little higher on their charges to their members for the clothing part of the annual fee for participation.
All those little extra profit centers are built in. Parents lost their way when they signed on, Elite club.... I must pay elite prices for uniforms, and now they will have the Thunder name on them oh goody!
Before people start making unfounded accusatins, does anyone know what you get for $250 from MTA? Also, the brand and quality (you can spend $3 for socks and you can spend $6 for socks, etc.....) My guess is that with the name change everyone is starting from scratch (uniforms, bag, sweats, training kits, etc...).
2:56 I agree it is possible that there is more included as I referenced "Maybe Bangu had a larger package of goods," . I doubt the quality is much better Eagan,Edina, Valley and Rev are all wearing branded uniforms. Also I'm guessing the Edina and Eagan parents aren't Kmart shoppers if you know what I mean. These are two affluent areas.
I am not passing judgement because I don't know what is included in the $250. I am just responding to someones statement that all clubs cost structures are basically the same. That is clearly not true, If MTA requires the purchase of a $250 uniform package vs another clu
who only requires a $100 clothing package that is certainly increasing the cost to play for MTA vs the other club.
I can take or leave Bangu/MTA, but here are the facts from a well known CC. This CC does not require a warm-up, practice stuff or a bag.
Uniform-two tops, one short and two socks-$100
Decent warm-up-$90
Decent bag-$40
That leaves $20 for training stuff. Though I don't love/hate Bangu, they are NOT ripping anyone off on clothing.
Now, as for quality of coaching at ALL levels/ages, that may well be another story........
I think that CC needs to seriously consider renegotiating their uniform etc, contract. Most clubs get a "promotional package" in addition to a better price than referenced that is used to but balls, goals, benches etc.
anyone notice the Goobers have swung the term "CC" to be a negative term. But in fact most non MTA clubs are no a "CC" for those MTA's out there: this means they are stable and have a main area of business, not some nomad holding their hands for field time and selling out for more attention.a CC is for those city league programs what are internal only such as Maplewood, or Little Canada and not part of MYSA like Woodbury, Dakota Rev, North Metro, etc.
Rhey have always used the term CC as a put down. Part of the parented pitch, all parents learn to say it with a snear too.
Also they win lots of State cups but never talk about it
!0:51, Please help to get them to stop hating the other clubs, help us get them to not use the term CC in a derogatory manner. Thanks fof seeing their hate for the CCs.
huh?
Hey cc'r...what do you suggest they call a cc?
Anybody have some suggestions....
703, How about we call it what it is! Bad Soccer!!
CC is not bad soccer. Neither is Bangu/MTA bad soccer, unless you are talking about the older MTA White teams, or the MTA 17 Blue team. Now that is BAD soccer! Why, the soon to be MTA U-17 team I believe has only won 1 of about 17 games in the last two years in the MRL. Now that is bad soccer. Sad thing is, not enough U-17 MN teams will enter the MRL this next year, so once again, the MTA 17's will enter the MRL and get in and once again exhibit "bad soccer".
Any other input here on "bad soccer"?
MTA is a joke. ODP is a joke. everything is a joke now. play club community soccer. like lakeville soccer club or burnsville soccer club or edina pr eden prarie. its more fun.
I agree completely. For the majority play cc soccer. For the elite find MTA. It's more fun.
Funny thing, several posts ago a Half crazed goober was on here ridiculing EP and Tonka 14's for having a rough time in fall MRL. He failed to mention the stellar performance the past couple yeas of the 17 Bangu MRL team. Oh wait, double standards are part of the true blue goober deal.
U17 does seem to be a down age group. As others have mentioned the second tier teams have not done well in MRL and the best team has one won game at regionals in 12 tries. It happens.
Has anyone else noticed the same type of spelling/grammatical errors in multiple posts which are supposedly from different people? Kind of makes me wonder if the same person isn't posting mulitple times as an "anon" to make it appear as though more share his/her opinion?
I think that we should make everyone take a moniker....I have signed in and will gladly continue to do so. Although, I atleast will put my moniker on my posts. Just curious.....
Also, $250 is not out of line for quality uniforms. Someone mentioned that there are "branded" uniforms that were cheaper. Each "branded" uniform company has many different levels which can be purchased. For example, one particular "brand" with a Swoosh offers jerseys which can range from $<20 each to $>50 each. Warmups from same company can range from $<65 to $>150.
The question is...how long do you want them to last? My feeling is that I'd rather spend $250 this year for my child to use them 'till they outgrow them rather than buy $90 sets of gear every two years. But, that is me.
most kids do outgrow the uniforms every 2 years.
A lot of Bangu teams had poor uniforms,t shirts with a big ugly iron on decal,hopefully they'll improve that at MTA.
SSM is onto something regarding the posts. I think it is a MTA type who posts that stuff to garner sympathy and further claim to being persecuted by others. My experience is that huge majority do not care about them.
I ugree. Therz sumthin' funnie goin on ihn hear. I tink dat if we mayd the MTA peoupuh tayk a nayme, wed c dat derz onley 2 of dem suckerz.
I agree with 943. I think there are a few people with an axe to grind who post the same topic anti-MTA posts over and over. And a few MTA lovers who always respond with the same arguments. I could care less what MTA does, and why others do is beyond me. I don't like their program so my kid isn't in it. If someone else does, why would I care?
They promote the idea that others are "out to get them" as a means of showing how good the program is. We have to be the best, see everyone hates us. Odd marketing strategy.
9:59 - CLASSY
Cost of gas to get my daughter to MTA training at AHA: $3.95 per gallon.
MTA fees: $175.00 per month.
Cost of MTA Uniforms: About $300.
Seeing my daughter score her first goal on a AA Varsity team as an 8th grader: PRICELESS.
Thanks MTA for helping my daughter reach HER dreams...
give us a break...make sure to post her name and number next time so we can all feel sorry for your daughter. What a disgusting display of an over-involved mom!
Nice post 11:09. Love to hear it!
Now, after that, someone get on here and tell me about kids, not their parents chosing to play at MTA. That parent needs to get some help in seperating his/her accomplishments from the kid. I feel very sorry for that kid and hope she is getting help from other responsible people in her life.
Newsflash, the MSHL no longer counts nor allows schools to count goals scored by players not affiliated with MTA. (this is a joke post don't panic)
My friends' daughter began playing for varsity in 8'th grade, started in 9'th, and will likely end up as her schools all time leading scorer. She has never played for MTA. Players can become good without them. Believe it or not.
Highschool is a joke thou!! Please dont sell it like it is.
the 11:09 post is another reason why reasonable people don't become involved with MTA or leave because of obnoxious, overbearing, my kid is the best, isn't she wonderful, parents.
For those keeping track, add not reasonable to the list.
MTA website will announce soon that they have free uniforms this year (not really, but it's such a fun discussion).
HER dreams? Yeah right. Think she is the only 8th grader who has ever scored a goal playing varsity soccer? And because she plays for a particular club this happened? Shame on you for not having enough faith in your daughter that she would accomplish her own dreams without you buying them for her.
Why do the MTA people hate everybody else? Why can't they make their choice on behalf of their child and not have to convince everyone else they are wrong to not go MTA? The endless self promotion causes 90% of the toxicity in youth soccer here in Mn.
I think they are trying to convince themselves, it is laughable. And they call everyone else idiots!
Hello pot, my name is kettle.
Hmmm...I think I'm going to stop coming here...nothing but a bunch of yammering idiots...Let people choose what they want! Nothing wrong with CC's or MTA. If either was that bad, wouldn't the numbers speak for themselves? I'm an MTA parent, but definately don't see anything wrong with the CC's except some BS politics with our local CC. Both have their downfalls. It isn't perfect and NEVER will be. If you like to argue, stick around...me? I'm out of here.....have fun!
Just so you know there is politics in every CC and every Club.
99.9% of kids playing soccer in Minnesota at clubs.ccs or whatever aren't good enough and never will be good enough to play in college at any level. They could make better use of their time getting and using a library card.
9:39 P.M.
Actually, between 70 and 100 MN graduating seniors from MN will play college soccer each year. About 10-15 at decent D-1 programs, about 20 at lower level D-1 programs, about 15-20 at D-2 schools and another 50-60 at D-3. About 3-5% will play in college, though some D-2, 3 college teams wouldn't beat some top level club teams.
So what's the point - don't encourage your kid to play sports unless you are the very best?
9:39 P.M. In addition to my 7:56 post, are your kids playing soccer to make a living. or, like you, are they playing to become an idiot in adult life? If they are, then just let them enjoy the experience of playing a competitive sport with competitive friends. Isn't that a great formula to foster competition which can be used later on in life?
9:39 P.M. In addition to my 7:56 post, are your kids playing soccer to make a living. or, like you, are they playing to become an idiot in adult life? If they are, then just let them enjoy the experience of playing a competitive sport with competitive friends. Isn't that a great formula to foster competition which can be used later on in life?
9:39 P.M. In addition to my 7:56 post, are your kids playing soccer to make a living. or, like you, are they playing to become an idiot in adult life? If they are, then just let them enjoy the experience of playing a competitive sport with competitive friends. Isn't that a great formula to foster competition which can be used later on in life?
9:39:
Do you get it?
9:39 is wrong, if your parents want it bad enough, their check clears the bank (lots of 'em) you can be a D-1 prospect in the MTA program. All their players are D-1 full ride bound, just ask them.
When placed into a useful training program with like-minded/like-skilled players your chances of continuing to improve and making it to a higher level (whatever that level is) are greatly improved.
I don't think there could be an argument that your chances are better in an organized program than playing on your own in the backyard, is there?
SSMSouthCampus
2:23:
Agreed, but show me a D-1 player that didn't spend at least 5 hrs. on their own in their backyard for every organized session with their team.
2:47 - a few hours here and there, but not 5 (you may have just been using this to make a point about individual training). At a minimum of 3 sessions/week, that would be 15 hours in the backyard per week.
3:03:
You get the point. Too many players/parents expect miracles to be worked by coaches. Fact is, great players train on their own, average players practice only. Superb players don't just happen. Every year MN turns out a few each year.
How are the SSM teams this year. The 18s are way, way down in quality. Last year was an big anomoly. They will not win state cup this year at 18.
10:46-
I think you are probably right. The U18s last year were a big anomoly. I mean they only have 98% of thier team back from last year, and are 3-0-1 in MRL at this point with 12 goals for and 5 against. The one tie was on a weekend when atleast one STUD player was on her formal campus visit and away.
On second thought....I don't agree at all with you 10:46-- and would like some of whatever you are smoking. Unless last year's U17 BTA team could beat last year's BTA U18 team.....I'd say you have trouble. But, then again.....I'm biased.
SSMSouthCampus
Sorry, probably should have called them the BTFC teams? It is all so confusing?
SSMSC 1046 was referring to the SSM U18 boys team. Down boy. Last years BTA 17 girls played last years 18's several times and the results were very even. They did have 3-4 starters graduate so may be down somewhat from last year but should give the SSM U18 girls a good match.
ssmsc is as sensitive as the MTA or AHA types when anyone says anything negative about his school.
MYSA - bailing on the Thunder and now on a 20+ year NSC partnership. Anyone else questioning the current MYSA leadership?
October 3, 2008
I regret to report to you that the partnership agreement between the National Sports Center Foundation and the Minnesota Youth Soccer Association, which has been in place since 1985, has ended. (See letter below)
The lack of an agreement and cooperation will likely be a great inconvenience for Minnesota youth soccer players, coaches, teams and families. When the NSC and the MYSA do not coordinate the dates for Districts, the State Tournament and the USA Cup, Minnesota teams will have to choose between these two great soccer opportunities.
The conflict between these events can be solved through cooperative scheduling if the parties are committed to do so.
We at the NSC have communicated with the 1) MYSA President, 2) the Vice-President of Leagues, 3)the Youth Council, and 4) the MYSA Executive Director ; all four have stated it is not their responsibility or within their authority to resolve scheduling conflicts.
Historically MYSA Presidents and Boards had chosen to cooperate on making the dates of the USA Cup and the State Tournament work for all teams in Minnesota. It is a great disappointment for me that this cooperation does not continue as I know the conflict is avoidable having served as MYSA Executive Director from 1995 to 2000.
The purpose of this letter is to ask your help in encouraging the soccer leadership of Minnesota to resolve the problem. Please feel free to write me and let me know your suggestions. If you would like to receive e-mail updates on this subject please visit this link here and select to receive items from the "NSC/MYSA Partnership Agreement Information" list.
Steve Olson, COO
National Sports Center Foundation
October 2, 2008
Bob Poretti, President
Candace Daley, Executive Director
Minnesota Youth Soccer Association
11577 Encore Circle
Minnetonka MN 55343
Over the past nine months the National Sports Center Foundation and MYSA have exchanged letters and held numerous meetings regarding our Partnership Agreement. The MYSA interpretation of the agreement has significantly changed and now is unacceptable to the National Sports Center Foundation. The basic purpose of the agreement was to cooperate on USA Cup dates and in return the NSC would offer the MYSA a substantial discount for the MYSA State Tournament and all other MYSA use of the NSC. The NSC has upheld its part of the agreement by discounting the state tournament and other event rental rates, but the MYSA has chosen not to cooperate in scheduling the District Tournaments in harmony with the USA Cup.
Therefore, the NSC has no reason to continue in a partnership agreement with MYSA. This letter serves as official notice, on the part of the National Sports Center Foundation, that we are exercising our options under Section II of the agreement to end the contract effective the date of this letter, October 2, 2008. As of this date the MYSA and NSC will no longer have any agreements in place regarding scheduling priority or discounts for the use of NSC facilities.
However, we still believe that a cooperation agreement between our two organizations is in the best interests of soccer in Minnesota. To that end, we propose crafting a new partnership agreement which is clear to both parties, addresses the scheduling of major events and serves the best interests of the entire soccer community. We propose meetings to begin immediately in order to have the document ready for your AGM.
The ultimate goal of cooperation is for a youth soccer team in Minnesota to be able to play in both the USA Cup and the MYSA District/State Tournament. An agreement between the NSC and the MYSA would guarantee this. Non-cooperation will result in less opportunity for youth soccer in Minnesota and teams will be limited to choose one event.
We look forward to your response. As a former executive director of MYSA I know that it is possible to solve this problem with a modest effort.
Steve Olson, COO
National Sports Center Foundation
Please note: The MYSA is distributing, via its website, reasons for an amendment to its rules governing the State Tournament indicating the NSC will be seeking "significant concessions" from MYSA to keep the event at the NSC. This is incorrect. The NSC has made no such requests and is only seeking the same scheduling cooperation that is in the original agreement has largely been in place between the MYSA and the NSC from 1985 to 2007, but did not happen in 2008.
What a bunch of clowns on both sides. How hard can it be to fix this, sounds like the MYSA Thunder not getting a long thing is the real reason
agree - idiots on both sides of this
let's bit off our nose to spite our face......
Maybe we were ugly with the nose we had?
SSMSouthCampus
MYSA would rather have districts than support the USA Cup. Districts are WAY better for MN soccer than the USA Cup is... right.
MYSA is no different than any other organization.
They're trying to maintain their cash flow and cover all the staff salaries.
It's all about money, trust me.
Are NSC and MTA bedmates?If so its obvious what is happening.
Too easy to always bash MYSA, if you have a better plan, let's hear it. I'm a huge fan of USA Cup but it can't trump MYSA districts and state. IMHO USA Cup is taking the bigger gamble here, Mn teams are a huge share of the money they make and this power play may hurt them. Poor economy = less travel for out of state teams. We'll see.
We surveyed the kids (U17) on my son's team and they all would rather play USA Cup over the MYSA districts and state. They feel USA Cup is more competitive and more fun.
1:21 A.M.:
U-17 Boy's playing in the State Tournament are C-1 players or below. Good players don't play in the State Tournament above U-13 or certainly above U-15 as they have already moved beyond C-1 by those ages. Any team playing in U-14 or above Summer State is a team that is already not competing in the best soccer MN has to offer. Not that MN Premier leagues are so tough, but at U-14 and above the majority of MN's best have already moved on.
USA cup might provide a tough game or two, but it's pretty "cheesy" soccer unto itself because most states where good soccer is played have already shut down for the summer and not yet convened for the fall season.
No brainer in my mind: you play MYSA and try to win the State Tournament. Really sad that MYSA and USA Cup (or should I say Thunder) can't get together on this. MY kids love USA Cup but wouldn't miss the MN State Championships.
It's a bigger deal to win State than USA Cup almost without exception.
To win state at U-13 and under is a "big" deal. At U-14 it is somewhat of a "big" deal. At U-15 and above, no one cares, as the majority of good players are already playing above C-1 one way or the other, ie. MRL or MN Premier.
USA Cup is a joke below the "Cup" level.
There are some sayin that Shattuck 18boys this yr will be just as good as last yrs.
In looking at thier schedule (as I have said before, I am very disconnected to the boys' side), they are playing alot of College teams (Marshalltown Community College- from our community, were 3rd at NJCAA Nationals last year; Univ of Minnesota, and others). They beat MCC 3-1, which is a HUGE accomplishment.
FWIW, in speaking with the Head Coach at MCC (a good personal friend of mine)...he told me that the current Shattuck U18s are the best youth team he has ever seen.
I have no idea how good they really are, I guess everyone will have to wait and see. Or, if you are really interested....you could take a look at the schedule on the website and drop in on a game in Faribault. Then you can make your own assessment?
SSMSouthCampus
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