The Thunder have fallen on hard times with no wins since May. They seem to have fallen back into their old ways of finding ways to loose games. Can they turn it around?
I've been hearing VERY GOOD things about the Thunder new owners. I'm excited to see them this year. Which is saying something since I haven't been to a game in about 3 years.
Tarley has made an impact as a sub but is very small part of the Thunder improvement.
The team doubled their salary's paid out and if you take a look at the roster you will know that aprox. 60% of the team is new.
Some of the biggest differences are Ricardo Sanchez, the first creative attacking midfielder we've had in some time. Along with proven forward Alan Marcena, and Luchi Gonzalas, the team is attacking and at the same time getting clean sheets. Brazilian target forward Mojen who came off a banner year with 22 goals and 52 pts in MISL and comes with a proven track record in Montreal is also a help off the bench. He set up the goal on Saturday night goal by Tarley.
Yes, Nick Platter is coming into his own, but that's only a portion of the picture. 6'5" defender Kevin Taylor who is on his second year with the club, along with long time favorite Kevin Friedland, who now is playing in his new position as central defender along with Taylor, shore up a back line with former DC United midfielder Steven deRoux who may be one of the most exciting players the Thunder have picked up. On the other side of defense are numerous players who have been with the Thunder before. Tighe Dubrowski, S. African Jonathan Greenfield and local Brian Kallman.
But perhaps the biggest difference on the team is depth. Amos now usually uses all 5 of the USL allowed subs. Now instead of the team going down a notch when a sub comes in, it seems that the team actually gets better with fresher legs and no noticeable skill drop. This is indeed the deepest bench the Thunder have had in their history.
I've watched 3 of their 4 matches this year and I think this is going to be a good year for the Thunder. The team is still yet to totally gel with all the new players. But for the first time in years the team looks like that can control a midfield and attack at any moment. Good stuff all the way around.
Not sure if you've heard, but the Thunder have been planning on building their own stadium without government help. They are hoping to have it ready to play on within 4 years. Plans have already been drawn up and it's more of an issue as to where the stadium will go. It will probably be a 20,000 seater, will be soccer specific but be used as a multi purpose stadium much like Chicago's Toyota Park where the Fire play. It would be used for concerts and other events but hopefully would host things like the state high school soccer finals.
Hopefully there's a way to include MYSA State Cup or State Tourney into the stadium as well.
Rumor has it that the new Thunder Stadium will be a complex with training fields and will eventually be home to the Bangu club. This could be all that club needs to become a truly elite program like other top clubs in the Midwest like Scott Gallagher, Vardar, Magic, Eclipse etc. Glad to hear the Thunder is off to a good start and the new owners have the financial ability to invest in the team now and into the future.
I hear what you're saying 902, but let's try not to morph this thread into a Bangu one.
Congrats to the Thunder on their start, and thanks to mnfutbol for a thread about the local pro team.
We'll see where things stand in a few months, but IMO the new owners are on the right track with the financial backing thrown to the team, the stadium initiatives in St Paul, and the youth system.
Big announcement later today I hear. Maybe a European affiliate?
Its a good move for the Thunder--it gets them a far better venue with a minimum of bureaucratic nonsense than what they have now. NSC gets additional revenue.
Question is whether MYSA and NSC can kiss and make up or is that relationship gone completely in the tank?
Thanks for the run-down bq. I was hoping to get to a game already this year, but my season tickets, that I paid for in February, just arrive over the weekend.
I am concerned about the move out the burbs...it's too far away from the core city!
I'm excited to see things move back to NSC. I too think it is a great move. Maybe they could do coach buses from Griff field. Not only would it be a great time on the buses but with gas prices cost effective.
after 4 years of trying to force soccer where it does not belong, sense has finally arrived...how about the diverse soccer community that the thunder management was trying to reach? oh well, profit always rules..
This has nothing to do with profit, but everything to do with providing a first class soccer experience to fans and to other teams in the league. I don't care how talented the Thunder are this year, the Jimmy is too narrow a field at a cheesy high school stadium. The NSC is a soccer field in a soccer complex, and the width of the field will allow fans to observe a better game while giving the organization a far more professional look.
Also to the profit always rules statement, I believe the Thunder are investing $$ in NSC and may likely lose fan numbers and gate revenue. This is another stand by the new ownership group. Just like they realize they may alienate fans with their new youth system, they must believe it's good for the game and are moving forward regardless of what some clubs/MYSA might think. They may now alienate additional fans with the mid-season venue change, but they are saying this is what they need to be the team they want to become. Good on them. Play entertaining soccer, continue to get the Ws on the board. People will come.
I hope that NSC will also improve the quality of their other fields with this move. I felt the U fields (2 & 3) along with A fields were kept in much better shape when the Thunder played in Blaine. I for one liked the NSC as to watch the Thunder and dropped my season passes when I had to go into the City. Never mind the shorter drive to St. Paul.
I'm sure you have your reasons for dropping your season tickets and not wanting to go into the city. Everyone gets to make their own decision and should be respected for it. But when I hear this argument made with the Thunder, that folks won't drive into the city I never really understand it because I don't hear Vikings, Timberwolves or Twins or Wild fans saying I'll never go I'll never go into the city.
Being centrally located between the northern, western, eastern and southern suburbs is sort of a no brainer I would think. Equal access and driving time for all. Plus lots of places to stop for food or a drink before and or after games.
Parking was an issue around the Jimmy. Few lots, generally had to park on the street and Lexington Pkwy is no picnic to cross at any hour of the day.
If there had been a way to exapnd the width of the pitch at the Jimmy, that would have been an improvement, but we have to remember that its primary purpose still is HS throwball (American football). Yeah, they are going to lose out on some major improvements--that's business.
And yes, there is a legit beef with the probability that moving to NSC is going to result in less diversity in the stands at any given match. But on th eplus side, the owners get a facility that they can work with and renovate with a fraction of the BS that they would get in St. Paul from the city and/or the school district.
This is a long term deal, so I've been told, but a temporary fix for the first team as the Saint Paul soccer campus plans are moving forward. It's a good move for the Thunder at this point. Will the Lightning also make use of Blaine? I would think they're pretty happy playing at ELR.
I also think the move to Blaine for a few years will give the Thunder Youth System a solid footing in the North for their Academy. Could be a great magnet to consolidate talent in the area (Blaine, North Metro, Lino Lakes, Coon Rapids, Anoka, NSSA, etc). Not to mention the Thunder now probably looking at co-sponsoring all the major NSC tournaments.
Can't wait to see the renovated pitch and seating arrangement at NSC. This (the track and the seating distance from the field), IMO, was the one draw back as a soccer stadium.
I thought the Lightning had a pretty good season last year (10-1-1 and 1st place in the division). Are your referring to attendance, lack of playoff success, etc...?
Boo Jay Winener! Soccer in the city didn't work because the previous owners were cheap skates. They didn't win because they were cheapskates. They didn't get fans because they were cheap skates.
Look at the Twins. May be the worst facility in the MLB...but they draw fans AND seem to put a winning field on the team. You can say Pohlad is cheap cuz he had me fund his stadium, but their combo of owner, GM and coach do what it takes to win.
I live in St. Paul. I think soccer belongs in the city. But never, never at Griffin. The pitch was too narrow, the (American) football lines were too distracting, and the artificial turf cannot compare in any way to the amazing natural turf at NSC. NSC's playing surface is really amazing, and the only drawback was the distance of the stands from the field. Seems like they are addressing that. I will happily drive 25 minutes to watch soccer played on NSC's pitch while the Thunder hopefully can build a soccer-specific stadium in the city that we can all be proud of. As far as appealing to the ethnic groups in the city, I think it is hard to appeal to them when they see the crude features of Griffin. The game is supposed to be beautiful, and Griffin was not conducive to that.
Why not consider the Uof MN Elizabeth Lyle Robbie stadium? Is it too small? Would have kept it in the city and personally I am not thrilled to drive from Lakeville to Blaine with $4.00 gas looking us in the face.
Robbie is very, very small. I think it was indeed ruled out for the reason you identify. Sorry about that drive. That really is disappointing and one reason why I (unaffiliated with the Thunder as I am) really hope that a central location can be found.
Yup, Robbie was far too small. As I mentioned in my article, Klas field was looked at as well as Macalaster and others. Nothing really worked in St. Paul.
By the way, Amos Magee, head coach of the Thunder emailed me a letter on his and his players take on the move.
Also, Manny Lagos, president of operations for the Thunder tried to answer questions I posed on my op-ed piece written about the move.
Both can now be found posted at BlueSkySoccer.com , or click on my name.
Very impressive display by the Thunder last night against Miami FC. 4,100+ in attendance back at NSC.
Good buzz, brisk walk-up traffic.
They have marked the northwest corner of the field once it is moved with a corner flag and a bit of chalk. Once this is done, the footie is going to be up close and personal!
While many feel that a facility of their own in St. paul would be ideal, I did not hear a single person (including several from St. Paul who rode a double-decker bus up and back) longing for another match at the Jimmy.
The Thunder probably had 3,000+ free tickets there (NSC Cup handouts). In addition, the Thunder did not actually look good at all. Miami dominated possession, and then coughed up two miserable goals on mistakes in the back (left back had a nightmare) and a third because they were not paying attention on a corner. As a long-time Thunder fan, I have to say that this team is somewhat better than last year, but nowhwere near the caliber or charisma of the teams of the late 90's. The fact is that the league is worse, and the Thunder are slightly better. It's all very painful to watch, actually. The only point on which I agree with you is that the NSC stadium will be a better venue.
Better to win ugly, than loose pretty. Sure it would be great to see beautiful fubol and wins, but the last few years the Thunder had very little of either.
Wayne Harrison? OMG don't make me laugh. Besides, a Thunder coach has to be selfless, doing a ton of extra work for little to no compensation. Wayne doesn't fit that bill. He was given a chance to come aboard and lead the coaches development for the Thunder Academy and have a key role. He chose not to upset the apple cart in his cushy Eden Prairie gig. It's not only elite club directors that follow the money. In fact it happens more in CC systems.
Amos is competent. However if we're looking at throwing out names I'd suggest someone like Tony P, Manny S, or even Alan Merrick before Wayne. At least they have pro level experience. Ian maybe?
Before we start looking at hiring new coaches, why don't we give this one a chance. This is the first time he has had money to work with and a roster that can be competitive. Let's give Amos a chance before we go looking for something else. I think he is going a great job so far this year and hope the team continues to win.
Before we start looking at hiring new coaches, why don't we give this one a chance. This is the first time he has had money to work with and a roster that can be competitive. Let's give Amos a chance before we go looking for something else. I think he is going a great job so far this year and hope the team continues to win.
Why do you need great coaching experience to coach the Thunder? Amos played at a high level for many years. Seems like a solid candidate to me. He obviously knows the game and knows the A-League. I'd rather play for Amos than Bruce Arena.
Did Klinsmann have great coaching experience before coaching the German National Team?
Did Mike Tice have great coaching experience before head coaching the Queens? (that's a joke)
PERFECT POINT - Juergen Klinsmann had pretty much NO EXPERIENCE behind the bench before he coached a German side which had no business even making it out of their group to the World Cup semi finals. "Previous Pro Experience" doesn't make you a good coach, besides unlike MOST OF YOU I've seen the 2008 Thunder squad up close and can tell you Amos has his players respect, attention, and he's a fine tactician of the game.
He's earned every right to coach the Thunder by being one of their best players throughout their history and being fully committed to the organization, even when the owner was a tightwad. Now that he has some resources he's building a really solid professional team.
I also have to second the earlier comment - check the league tables before you run your mouth.
He "coached pros in England"? before you wet yourself in admiration why don't you clarify that a little? The lower levels of professional soccer in England are nothing more than college soccer here - I've been there. Tell me he coached in the EPL, heck even the Championship, then maybe I'll pay attention.
I think that some of the cheap shots have to do with anti-Amos bias, not really what is in the best interest of that team. Remember that this blog includes parents of kids who have been cut by him or had playing time issues (I am aware of a few who take shots at him because of such experiences), and we also have CC administrators posting here who resent the Thunder-Bangu project. He is a talented, intelligent young coach with a lot of promise. As one poster observed above, we are starting to see what he can do with resources being made available to him. Judged ojectively (not from the perspective of someone with an axe to grind), I think it is humorous to suggest that the club should consider someone else. And please don't take the bait people about Harrison. As far as I am aware, he hasn't put himself in the frame, so he doesn't really deserve shots of his own on this issue.
Right on 312. Amos's selfless dedication to the Thunder both as a player and as a coach has been admirable. He has been limited in player budgets since taking the reigns. This year, finally with the resources to at least put the Thunder payroll on par with other USL clubs, he's able to show his stuff. I concur that the players respect him and their play thus far is a direct result of the leadership.
Could Wayne do a good job with a USL team? I don't really care.
Coaches from the UK????? The 2008 Euro is going to start soon and I don't see the UK in the field.I believe the UK got eliminated by some some third world country.
If these UK coaches are so good, why are they coaching in the US. Probably because they were not good enough to get a job at home and as we all know if you have an accent in MN that gets you a job coaching here.
I will first of all put all the english lads in a room and interview them and ask them who is willing to take a major pay cut. If anyone raises their hand, they get the job. Tonka; Plymouth; EP; see the trend?
hey guys - don't be knocking down the english coaches. how can you knock down a coach who has not stepped out of the comfort zone. let them continue doing what they do - please. why bring this issue up. we cannot escape the mess. I still think they are here to help my kid learn soccer as best as they can. if we choose to pay them large salaries, take the dollars and run to the bank
All this talk about coaching, and the Thunder are really not all that good. All the talk about the table aside, it's still not a fun team to watch. Giving away thousands of tickets does not a good show make.
Another late night hater. Define good please. Are they EPL good? I doubt it. Could they compete against MLS teams? Probably pretty well. But you probably don't think MLS is any good either.
Regardless, they are the highest level of soccer lowly MN has, as well as being model ambassadors in our community. Not too shabby and I'll take it.
All the whiners complaining about the Thunder's quality of play probably couldn't run the length of the pitch. Also doubt if most of them ever played the sport. Most likely they think they know all about the game from watching their kids play C2 and C3 in MYSA leagues...or maybe some "high quality" HS soccer.
Let's not get carried away. The quality of teams and coaching here in the USA should be evident by FIFA'S world ranking of 21.When teams like Cameroon,Ghana are ranked ahead of you silence is your ally.
I think it's more about the quality of players than the coaching. Good players make good coaches. Can you imagine if athletes like Adrian Petersen, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton etc were playing soccer instead of the US version of football? Our best athletes are playing football, baseball, basketball and hockey (where there are college scholarships and huge pro contracts) rather than all playing soccer as is the case in so many of the nations that are soccer powers.
Is it possible to express an opinion that the Thunder are not terribly entertaining and not be labeled a "hater"? The flippin' gubirds call anyone who disagrees with their silly worldview a hater. Wow, that's mean guys. I have not been part of this discussion to this point, but I guess I am a hater, because I have liked watching the Thunder in the past, but I have not been terribly impressed yet this year. Maybe they'll be good and fun to watch, but I just don't see much so far (the improved results are good, though). Now if that's being a hater gubers, then you're the idiots (actually, you're idiots anyway, but this is further useful evidence). Now that I'm trying this, I kind of like being a hater, I guess. Have a nice day, gubies!
Let's face it. There's a lot of passion on both sides of most soccer issues. Everyone is right in their own world and everyone who opposes is a hating idiot. The Thunder have opened themselves to additional hate because of their absorption of the local elite club.
Soccer forums could be a good thing and there have been some positives with blogs like this. However, there have been more negatives to the Minnesota soccer climate in the last two years; more hate, more angst, more petty word battles.
I've appreciated some of the dialog but I do hope it comes to an end sooner than later. Thanks to mnfutbol for the attempt and effort.
Why would anyone "hate" the Thunder for association with a kids soccer club? Are people here in Minnesota that much dislike for a kids' soccer club? I'm a fan of futbol (mostly Mexican pro teams and bit of university. I like Thunder player Ricardo Sanchez) and know little of kids soccer in this state. It sounds child like to "hate" a pro club because of a kids club.
How's that 3rd grade English class coming along (yep, I'm a hater, too)? Nothing like people who can't put together a coherent (that's pronounced ko-HEAR-ent) sentence calling other people idiots. It's priceless that the sillies in here rail about the critiques of the Thunder in the EXACT SAME DICTION (you'll have to look up that one) they use to attack anti-bangu types and then wonder why people associate the two entities (Thunder and Bangu). It appears idiots are available in many varieties these days!
1:19=idiot. Ripping someone who is clearly a foreigner for posting thoughts that come across clearly enough in a language that surly is not their native tongue. Most haters are idiots - thanks for proving our points.
11:51 Seriously...get a life before anger and jealousy eats you up and destroys you. There is much more in the world to get worked up over than kids soccer. Try not to relive your life through your kids accomplishments. Therapy might help lessen your anger, jealousy and other unresolved issues.
Actually, 11:51pm has a point. The people who write about others being "haters" are just as virulent as the people complaining about the lack of interesting or quality play by the Thunder. Who's the bigger hater? I think medication all the way around (and counseling) would be appropriate.
5:43 Surely you meant surely? surly is what I get when someone calls another an idiot with words misspelled. Also, if most haters are idiots, is the inverse true?
no, most idiots are not haters. Some do not know how to hate due to their intelligence classification as an idiot. They know not what they do as idiots. Some do not hate, but are only ignorant in their idiotic ways.
As to the Thunder - or MLS, I just can't see spending my time or money on them yet. I haven't found the play to be inviting enough.....yet. My opinion and I am sure others will disagree. I'll try again later in the season.
I am an idiot and a hater, I guess, because I think the Blunder are not very fun to watch. Better? Yes, but still painful at times to behold. Better to be a pragmatic idiot and hater than a kool aid drinking, myopic moron who calls mediocre soccer the next coming. To all of the people who think the Thunder are really good now: Watch any real professional soccer league on FSC for an hour. You'll be amazed at the sharp technical play, the speed of play and the tactical organization. Then come back to reality out in Blaine some night. It's like a post Red Bull crash. Good luck to 'em, but they ain't much to watch for now. Hater! Idiot! Um, yep.
anon 11:06 The Thunder are very competitive in their league. Is this the EPL? Of course not. It's the USL. Are there any better teams than the Thunder in Minnesota? Of course not. You can't expect the Thunder to play like Man U or Arsenal with the budget they work with. Are the news owners going to continue to improve the club? Of course they are. They've done more already than the previous owners did the last 8-10 years. Stick your nose in the air if you must but my family is going to support our pro team along with many families like ours.
I think its funny that someone like Tomass finds the play "inviting" enough in local High School soccer and youth club soccer, but not the Thunder or... for cryin out loud MLS. I can't believe there are still people who claim to have some knowledge of the game who still piss and moan about MLS. Ah well, its all opinion...
Mine... MLS has grown LEAPS AND BOUNDS over the last 5 years and now finally ranks in the top 10 as far as world leagues go.
MLS results in summer friendlies against EPL teams back up my statement.
An inquisitive mind wants to know what the status of the Thunder-Bangu Academy is? On the pitch I have heard both that it is on and it is off. Any body in the know?
au contraire 1:14.....there is more than one club and you will just have to wait for the surprise. The snowball effect will take shape over the next few years. The new target will be even bigger for all the haters out there.
114, What makes you such an expert on leadership. Since MA has joined Bangu the club has grown tremendously. If he were a poor leader I don't think he would have had the sucess he has had so far.
Give it a rest toby, that mindset belongs back in the actual days of the Anschluss. What are you going to predict next....that the cc's (allies) are going to band together to fight the "thunder reich"? (actually not a bad pun). Is WH going to portray Churchill?
This is just what Minnesota soccer has needed for a long time. Kudos to all of those with the vision and foresight to collaborate on this merger. The new Thunder ownership and the expertise Bangu has shown over the past 5-6 years is a formidable combination. Throw in the top coaches and players the Wings have in their program and this is a grand slam home run! I'm glad the Bangu board and the Wings looked at what is best for the top level players in Minnesota and put aside any past differences. This is a great decision by the adults involved doing what is best for the kids. Best of luck to the Minnesota Thunder Elite Academy!
When are we going to start talking about tactics on this site? No Euro post, no Thunder post, no Lightning post, no Gopher post. Why don't we talk about the system of play for the Thunder and is it effective? Does the Lightning team have the right players in the right spots? Who would you have recruited if you were coaching the Gophers? This is the kind of stuff we should be having fun with and not Bangu this and MA that and you took my player and we are better than you and you are not any good. Grow up and lets see what you really know. How come teams play a 4-3-2-1? or for those of you who are dutch is it a 1-4-3-2-1? Don't forget the keeper. I am picking Spain over Germany. Any takers on getting it going on the Euro final 8?
Looks like the Thunder is more excited for the upcoming Burnley match than Burnley is. Hardly a mention: http://www.burnleyfootballclub.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LatestHeadlines/0,,10413~1327456,00.html#continue
Hey....I can't find the other thread that this was mentioned. So thought I'd post this ""I told you so" here.
Someone earllier acknowledged that CC from SSM would be playing with the Lightning this year, but that she "wouldn't make any difference". I wanted to throw the following link in that person's face and ask them what more of a difference would they expect?
I see her name listed in three catagories along with ONLY ONE OTHER LIGHTNING PLAYER. If that isn't making a difference, then I would like to know wat that person feels would make aa difference?
And by the way, I forgot to addthat CC has these stats after ONLY 5 games when many on the lists have played 9 games this season. I'd say that she is rockin' the league? Anyone willing to take that bait?
I can't imagine anyone who's watched the above mentioned player would make such a comment. Clearly, UCLA thinks she's pretty darn good. She seems to be adding a spark for the Lightning that's for sure. We should enjoy her while we can, once she leaves for Cali she will likely find a W-League team with So Ca ties.
Lightning after 5 games last year: 5-0-0 11GF 1GA After 5 games this year: 4-0-1 12GF 3GA
Not much difference is there? As I said she is a very, very good player but she is not enough to change my assessment of the team or make the team much better than last year. I stand by my statement. Your seeming need to blow your horn about anything and everything SSM is amusing though, but must be terribly embarrassing to the young lady. It is a team game, trumpeting personal statistics is pathetic.
It IS indeed a team game, and good teams include 11 players WHO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I feel it is much more pathetic for someone sitting behind a computer screen makes comments about a player saying that said player won't make a difference.
You are right about one thing, I guarantee that my post would be very embarrassing to CC knowing her personality. However, I would much rather embarrass her than to slight her by saying her presence is irrelevant and doesn't make a difference. To say that her individual accomplishments on the field for her TEAM don't make a difference just because they hold the essentially the same record as a year ago is ridiculous.
I don't know, maybe you are right. Maybe we shouldn't say anything positive at all about a player on a TEAM because it is pathetic. Wait...if that is true, why do they keep individual statistics for team sports?
SSM or not, she was left out of the exciting news that young ladies from Minnesota playing for the Lightning. When brought up, someone stated "while a good player, she won't make much of a diference"-- I am only pointing out that you were wrong.
Also, I hardly think that mentioning her is "blowing my own horn". If that is the case, many others on this board are doing a whole lot of blowing too. I guess we should never point out anything positive about players. I hope that you decide to belittle each and every person who points out anything good a player accomplishes.
Well said 613 and not disrespectful to the player in any way. I would not reply any further to the overinvolved and excitable personality above. The vehemence of his posts is indicative of his lack of perspective.
Lightning = professional soccer? Ummm...I'm sure the girls are having fun, but it's not very good soccer. I'm not sure why all you parents are getting so heated over something so irrelevant.
That is like comparing apples to oreo cookies. One is a flat out forward, the other is a work horse in the midfield. So is Brett Favre better than Barry Sanders?? How blind!!
Not stronger than the MRL?? I bet Lightning can beat Bangu Stars?? Better yet, I bet they can beat Eclipse Select!! Even better, I bet FCI can beat a MRL all-star team. Hell, FCI has beaten the U-20 Natl teams from Canada & Mexico. Lightning tied them didnt they??
Save your breath (or carpal tunnel). The provincials can't figure out what high level soccer is-- unless it equates into a High School State Championship. NOW THAT'S QUALITY SOCCER!
Me thinks the Stars tied the Lightning in a friendly a few weeks ago inspite of the coach giving the Lightning a couple of practice corner kicks. I'd take the U17 Milwaukee or the Ohio Elite from MRL over the Lightning.
As far as CC compared to CS....don't make me laugh. CS is a tough impact player and a proven winner capable to carry the team. CC is nowhere physical enough to play with the big girls.
Lightning is much better than any MN Club team. They would have their hands full with the strongest U17-U19 teams in the region though. This CC or CS stuff is ridiculous. #1 who cares? and #2 even though I realize there is a VERY small audience who reads this blog it has to be annoying to both players. Knock it off.
Did anyone else go to the Thunder / Inferno exhibition yesterday? The Thunder reserves couldn't beat a MN men's league team. The atmosphere was cirucus like. The stands were filled however. Dozens and dozens of daycare facilities bused in their patrons for the day. A nice gesture perhaps. But all I could think, having been around dozens of them over the years, was that Bangu parents / players are not gonna get behind this... Granted, I haven't been to a regulation game yet. I'm really hoping a more polished product is being dangled at the NSC.
Man, its never good enuf for you people. Your like sharks. Just circling your pray. Then, JUMP all over them. You know what socmom, maybe you shouldnt come to anymore games. And tell your clones as well. Just stay away. Go to the zoo or something instead.
Anon:11:26: We've been going to Thunder games since 1992, season ticket holders for several years running, and supporting the team whether it's popular or not. My comment was meant to address the new Bangu crowd the Thunder organization is hoping to attract. My family has no problem with players who choke opponents, near brawls that break out, magicians in lime green suits, or the like. However, based on my 5 years with Bangu, I don’t see these types of antics going over well with the powder blue crowd. The Thunder will have to polish themselves up a bit is all I’m saying.
1215, Only choking and near Brawls, no shanking someone or riots before, during, and after the game. No English soccer Hooligan would ever participate in something so boring! Maybe next game?
Took my seven year old daughter to watch the Lightning play Cleveland.After the game she said "dad,how come they never put the ball into the net? Aren't they supposed to do that"?
These teams aren't very good and there was no creative play at all.Both teams looked confused and lost on offense. Zero-zero boring game.
RIGHT!! You must have your daughters mind frame then. How come EVERYONE (maybe not you) were standing the game was so exciting?? Last time I checked, most ELITE games are 1-0 scores..This isnt 7-1rec league scores and players like what you must know alot about.
Wow, first game they dont score and your the first to bitch. 20-7 shots on goal. mmmmmmmmm?
Tell ya what, keep your 7 yr old home and explain to her that you never want her to play anything more than Rec. Where they can score 7 goals.
WOW! posts like that from anon 12:09 give a clue about the soccer acumen of the posters in here knocking the Thwingu plans and program. It actually makes me feel better to know what type of "soccer mind" is posting a lot of this pap.
Its funny how a team that 12:09 says isnt any good can get a draw from a team that BEAT the Mexican and Canadian U20 Natl teams, the Canadian team that JUST beat the US Natl U20 team last week.
One more thing, there are 20, TWENTY, players on the Canadian U20Natl team that plays in the W-League. And a handful on the US Natl team. But dont worry, 12:09 knows good soccer when he see's it.
The Lightning are not fun to watch. They have some good players, and sometimes they put together a decent sequence on the attack, but it's pretty slow and very chaotic sometimes, too. I know this is a shot at some egos out there, and it's not meant that way. It is, however, the truth that it is not great soccer. Sorry coaches.
I was at the Lightning game last nite. FCI is a very impressive side!! 7 International Natl team players for one!. All paid pro players for two. And you add that up and you get a very upset side because Lightning is the one that is keeping them from the #1 seed in the playoffs due to the draw a few weeks ago. This team is the most fit team in the league. There isnt anything about being amature about this team, they are a pro team from top to bottom. Remember, this is the team that has beaten the Mexico and Canadian U20 Natl teams. And the Canadian team just beat the US team 2 weeks ago. Its going to be fun to see how many of FCI players get drafted next year in the WPL.
Lightning gave it there all, they were outplayed big time. They were going into this game knowing the outcome, they are playing for 2nd place starting this Thursday. 2nd place will more than likely take them to Canada in the playoffs.
Cut the excuse making. Storlien was outcoached again.The team wasn't well prepared and had their heads handed to them.Storlien is not a pro coach and is in over his head at this level.
Thanks Anon 11:21 This is an interesting FCI roster. Based on the country listed in the bios... 11 / 21 appear to be foreign or international players 10 / 14 point earners are the same The goal, assist and point leader lists Spain as her country. Was #13 pretty good?
2:25, they were ALL good!! It was a fun team to watch. This is the first year for FCI to be in the WL. They havent lost a game in a few years now. As for Coach Storlien, nothing against the lightning, but FCI need to be in another league. This is a PRO team playing against amatures. Its like a U18 club team playing against a U13 club team. There isnt much you can do when FCI is faster, more fit, etc etc..go to youtube.com and pull up FCI and look what they have been doing for the past 4 or 5 months training wise. You cant compete against that at this level. The midwest is playing for 2nd place. I think the final of the WL will be FCI and Pali Blues. Simple as that. and this isnt any excuses. Plus on top of that, #15, Parker, she was just plain mean on the field.
4:28, that may be all well and true, but I hate bangu, therefore it had to be the coaches fault (note the sarcasm 1:48). Also, every other team that they have played they've beaten, but if any other person had been coaching, the Lightning would have won by a greater score.......
Ask the Lightning players about their coach? The game plan in Indiana was brilliant. If you ask them who outcoached who in Indiana everyone of them will tell you Storlien outcoached Shek. The 6-0 loss was a different game plan. DS told me they wanted to save some ideas for the third and most important time. I guess they have to get in the playoffs first. Regardless of the plan it will be tough to beat FCI.
Lightning have a secret weapon they will unleash the next time they play. Danny will dress up in drag and play and lead the Lightning to the biggest upset in W League history.
Anon 2:09- Surely you jest. "save some ideas for the third and most important time" FCI is loaded with professional international talent. They are rolling over other W-League teams. And, the Lightning were basically playing for a shot @ first place. I can't believe a coach with DS reputation would do anything but play all out the entire game. Maybe he underestimated IN after the lucky 1-1 tie? Whatever the case, that had to be one frustrating loss.
To Anon 5:13: Here's what Bangu has to do with the Lightning. Both male coaches are from BTFC. Close to half the roster are current or former Bangu players.
The Lightning is also very young with several U17-U18 Bangu players who are also Gopher recruits. I am not saying these are key players for them but they do see the field. This experience will benefit them once they don the maroon and gold.
Clearly, the Lightning will continue to struggle as the W-League becomes more and more professional. Some of these other rosters are being filled with international and ex collegiate players. These are women getting paid to play the game they love. The Lightning is restricted to using future or current NCAA athletes who have the ability to pay. On top of it, the roster keeps being filled with familiar local faces. Therein is part of the problem. The Lightning may have to change course if they truly want to compete with the likes of FCI and Pali and company.
Which leads into another question?? Like the USL men, do you think there should be a W-A League?? For the likes of FCI, Pali, ATL, Boston and a few more, the pro teams. But, next year, the draft will be in place, and FCI, Pali and the others will all take hits and some of the key players will advance to the WPSL.
Iv been thinking about this WA League, I think it would be nice, but it would be more costly to the clubs to travel further. So I guess Iv answered that question..
I would also have to agree that 90%of the Lightning is x-MN youth players. There are a few Iowa girls on the roster. To be able to compete with the FCI's, you need to have a more rounded roster. But then again, I applaud these MN girls for still getting out and playing.
The Gaels from Chicago and FCI are somewhat AAA clubs for the new WPSL Chicago Red Stars. Will they treat the Gaels and FCI as training grounds for the pro girls that dont make the travel roster or are working themselves back into shape etc?? MN is going to have to going after the girls and pay them. If this gets to that point.
The Lightning is also very young with several U17-U18 Bangu players who are also Gopher recruits. I am not saying these are key players for them but they do see the field. This experience will benefit them once they don the maroon and gold.
8/7/08 12:07 PM
I wouldnt call 1 current Bangu player and another that will be leaving to college in a few weeks 'several'.
There are 4 Bangu youth players that play that are future U of M players. TS,SE,JS and MP. Before anyone gets excited I am not saying they are important cogs in the machine or even that they are the best youth players in MN. They are good players though and will be better ready for college soccer and MDW with this experience. The only downside is that once they begin play with the Gophers they will be subject to an NCAA regulation which limits the # of players from one college that a team like the Lightning can use. I believe it is 5 or 6.
Took a look at Soccer Buzz college player signees..Rankings..... I believe we had two players ranked in the top 200 signees. What does this say about status of MN soccer.........
What it says to me is that the new combined entity of Thunder/Wings/Bangu is needed and a step in the right direction toward improving the level of play in Minnesota. Bangu has pushed the envelope and set a new standard in Minnesota and now it's time to attempt a jump to an even higher level. Why not have professionals in the field decvelop training etc for our youth? It's about time progressive soccer minds took this leap. Thanks to the visionaries at MN Thunder, Bangu and Wings for taking this big step.
I have no dog in this fight, but I agree with 8:31..Its becoming a real club, starting out with youth and developing the players so they will have a chance to play with the Lighting and Thunder. Its a positive step forward. And for those that do not agree, then its simple, dont go to the new MTA, just keep doing it the way you always have been doing. No wonder the players arent getting better, DAH!!
I agree the Thunder is the way to go. Who are some of the coaches who will be responsible for developing players? How will it be an improvment as compared to what the clubs do today?Hopefully this will be more than just consolidating the best players.
I'd say about 1/2 the Bangu trainers are OK, 1/2 are pretty bad, and all are overpaid. Wings doesn't offer anything except maybe a few British accents, which is all you need to satisfy those western suburban parents.
I'd say about 1/2 the Bangu trainers are OK, 1/2 are pretty bad, and all are overpaid. Wings doesn't offer anything except maybe a few British accents, which is all you need to satisfy those western suburban parents.
mr. bi-curious, if the trainers aren't making the big money, someone's skimming it off. The two BNG budget sheets I saw last fall were shockingly high.
Wasn't May 24th a great day? It's the last time the Blunder won a game. These guys are a sputtering Pinto and the perfect locomotive for the Thwingu parade.
Ok, new question to debate...For those that was able to watch FCI play Lightning, what would be the general feeling if Lighting started recruiting out of state players like FCI does?? I noticed that there are a few out of state players on the current roster now, what would that do to the current fan base?? Would you approve or disapprove? Should players get to make the team JUST because they are from MN?
1147 I don't think there is enough interest in the Lightning that it would matter either way. Most adults you see at their games are parents or friends of players or parents of U-Littles that were told to be there as a team activity. But in answer to your question, there are many players from out of state on the team now, nobody makes the team just because they are from MN. I don't think anyone cares where the players are from. Why would they? No teams in the W league are limited to players from their home state.
Chicago coach Nikchevich said he made a couple of adjustments preparing for the Lightning and they were able to avenge their earlier loss to the Lightning.
Thank you, Burnley F.C., for bringing professional soccer to Minnesota. It was a treat to watch a Professional Team play up in Blaine tonight (and the "new" stadium is very nice).
I capitalized "Professional" and "Team" because our woeful club is neither. Individually, the Thunder had the better-skilled players. Unfortunately, they don't play together at all. I don't care who the coach, president, marketing director or owner is, the Thunder stink and are no fun to watch unless their opponent is a Professional Team. Why Bangu wants to align with them is beyond me.
BS Dad, you obviously weren't watching the entire game. Burnely came out very strong but the Thunder held their own once they got settled it. Actually I was amazed the Thunder were not awarded two PKs in the first half for a shirt pull and then a complete steamroller in the box a few minutes later. I agree Burnely overall had a better sense of team play but to say the Thunder stink and are no fun to watch is an opinion you hold, far from a fact to many others.
Great turnout, great stadium, great opponent, great tournament to showcase this event. Great job Thunder!
I was bored after 5 minutes last night. Certainly a great turnout, though 97% of the fans won't be back (USA Cup players). I must say I was disappointed with all the Thunder Academy announcements...that will certainly turn off all the local clubs that seek to put competitive teams on the pitch. If Thunder = Bangu, I won't attend another game.
Buh bye. Take your support of pro soccer away just because they are trying to raise the level of the game here in the area. You're not the type of fan wanted.
11:57 I completetly agree. The half a dozen or so of the bashers and haters on this blog won't be missed. The reason these people have turned on the Thunder is all one needs to know about them. Just read between the lines.
my my - can't take someone's contrasting opinion? The worst thing you can do if you are part of the Thunder organization is to isolate yourself with people that support your point of view and what you feel you are doing right.
What you want to do is find out why you can't get some true soccer fans to spend their money and support the home semi-pro side.
I consider myself to fit into the latter category. Read between the lines all you want, but I have given them a chance this year once again and leave feeling unexcited.
11:57 and 1:28 you are missing the point. Either the Thunder Academy is going to fulfill a new "vision" or it's just going to be Bangu / Wings, and their baggage, with a new name. It's insulting to potential players and their families to be billing this as an innovative program if only a title is altered. As the days pass, I'm becoming less convinced we'll see any significant change or draw from players outside the already entrenched teams at BTFC and WSC. BTW-There's nothing wrong with the above. Just stop hyping this as some truly unique club and cease the yammering about change etc.
You don't think it's innovating to have a professional team partnered with the elite kids in our state? I disagree. BTW, wait until you hear the new mandate coming down from USSF about US professional organizations and what they must do with young players in terms of development.
I agree with the buh bye and I also agree with Tomass. I think I can do both...
There he goes again, sour comments from a bitter individual again...
I for one am thankful to the Thunder for bringing Burnley to Minnesota, for the chance to watch a Championship side in action in our back yard. Why in the world complete idiots like Shekki can't seem to grasp the benefit of this, the benefit that having a pro team in our area brings with it, again illustrates judgment and comments based in hate.
I think Shekki was referring to the fact that the Thunder is hardly a professional team when compared with Burnley. The Star Tribune compared the USL with Burnley's competitive league, as if the US second-tier was comparable to England's second tier. I'd have to think England's second tier would be on par with our MLS, as our USL "professional" team couldn't beat AC MIlan's U17s.
Anon 2:05. Innovate implies new or changed. Based on the current guys in charge and teams from which players are largely going to chosen... I do not see an abundance of originality. Now, had the Thunder gone it alone.... That would be a different story. New club, new coaches, new players, new parents joining forces... That's a change, and it would also have been a truer test of elite players dedication to the new vision.
Minnesota has done a poor job regarding development for years.Need to change priorities regarding training.Perhaps the Thunder will provide the coaching needed to raise the level of soccer in MN. Will we see some new coaches or will it be more of the same.Hope for the best. Time will tell..............
Same old same old. Wings becomes Bangu West because Bangu couldn't establish a credible presence in the West on their own. I feel bad for Wings, as they're being used.
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1 – 200 of 322 Newer› Newest»I've been hearing VERY GOOD things about the Thunder new owners. I'm excited to see them this year. Which is saying something since I haven't been to a game in about 3 years.
Go THUNDER!
Tarley has made an impact as a sub but is very small part of the Thunder improvement.
The team doubled their salary's paid out and if you take a look at the roster you will know that aprox. 60% of the team is new.
Some of the biggest differences are Ricardo Sanchez, the first creative attacking midfielder we've had in some time. Along with proven forward Alan Marcena, and Luchi Gonzalas, the team is attacking and at the same time getting clean sheets. Brazilian target forward Mojen who came off a banner year with 22 goals and 52 pts in MISL and comes with a proven track record in Montreal is also a help off the bench. He set up the goal on Saturday night goal by Tarley.
Yes, Nick Platter is coming into his own, but that's only a portion of the picture. 6'5" defender Kevin Taylor who is on his second year with the club, along with long time favorite Kevin Friedland, who now is playing in his new position as central defender along with Taylor, shore up a back line with former DC United midfielder Steven deRoux who may be one of the most exciting players the Thunder have picked up. On the other side of defense are numerous players who have been with the Thunder before. Tighe Dubrowski, S. African Jonathan Greenfield and local Brian Kallman.
But perhaps the biggest difference on the team is depth. Amos now usually uses all 5 of the USL allowed subs. Now instead of the team going down a notch when a sub comes in, it seems that the team actually gets better with fresher legs and no noticeable skill drop. This is indeed the deepest bench the Thunder have had in their history.
I've watched 3 of their 4 matches this year and I think this is going to be a good year for the Thunder. The team is still yet to totally gel with all the new players. But for the first time in years the team looks like that can control a midfield and attack at any moment. Good stuff all the way around.
p.s.
Not sure if you've heard, but the Thunder have been planning on building their own stadium without government help. They are hoping to have it ready to play on within 4 years. Plans have already been drawn up and it's more of an issue as to where the stadium will go. It will probably be a 20,000 seater, will be soccer specific but be used as a multi purpose stadium much like Chicago's Toyota Park where the Fire play. It would be used for concerts and other events but hopefully would host things like the state high school soccer finals.
Hopefully there's a way to include MYSA State Cup or State Tourney into the stadium as well.
Rumor has it that the new Thunder Stadium will be a complex with training fields and will eventually be home to the Bangu club.
This could be all that club needs to become a truly elite program like other top clubs in the Midwest like Scott Gallagher, Vardar, Magic, Eclipse etc.
Glad to hear the Thunder is off to a good start and the new owners have the financial ability to invest in the team now and into the future.
I hear what you're saying 902, but let's try not to morph this thread into a Bangu one.
Congrats to the Thunder on their start, and thanks to mnfutbol for a thread about the local pro team.
We'll see where things stand in a few months, but IMO the new owners are on the right track with the financial backing thrown to the team, the stadium initiatives in St Paul, and the youth system.
Big announcement later today I hear. Maybe a European affiliate?
That's what I hear....Press release this afternoon
That's what I hear....Press release this afternoon
Nope. It will be much more local and a surprise to just about everyone. There will be pros and cons to it no doubt.
05/12/08 - Minnesota Thunder to Move Home Field to Blaine's National Sports Center
I tried to post the link but it won't allow me to. Go to mnthunder dot com for the press release.
I have mixed feelings about this but overall it's most likely a good move.
I tried to post the link but it won't allow me to. Go to mnthunder dot com for the press release.
I have mixed feelings about this but overall it's most likely a good move.
Its a good move for the Thunder--it gets them a far better venue with a minimum of bureaucratic nonsense than what they have now. NSC gets additional revenue.
Question is whether MYSA and NSC can kiss and make up or is that relationship gone completely in the tank?
http://www.mnthunder.com/igsbase/igstemplate.cfm?SRC=MD006&SRCN=articledetails&GnavID=10&SnavID=47&TnavID=&NewsID=403&NewsCatIDdisplay=&KeywordSearch=
This is a great move for the Thunder, the elimination of the track is going to make this a much better soccer facility than the Griff ever could be.
Thanks for the run-down bq. I was hoping to get to a game already this year, but my season tickets, that I paid for in February, just arrive over the weekend.
I am concerned about the move out the burbs...it's too far away from the core city!
I'm excited to see things move back to NSC. I too think it is a great move. Maybe they could do coach buses from Griff field. Not only would it be a great time on the buses but with gas prices cost effective.
Now this makes sense!!!
after 4 years of trying to force soccer where it does not belong, sense has finally arrived...how about the diverse soccer community that the thunder management was trying to reach? oh well, profit always rules..
This has nothing to do with profit, but everything to do with providing a first class soccer experience to fans and to other teams in the league. I don't care how talented the Thunder are this year, the Jimmy is too narrow a field at a cheesy high school stadium. The NSC is a soccer field in a soccer complex, and the width of the field will allow fans to observe a better game while giving the organization a far more professional look.
Also to the profit always rules statement, I believe the Thunder are investing $$ in NSC and may likely lose fan numbers and gate revenue. This is another stand by the new ownership group. Just like they realize they may alienate fans with their new youth system, they must believe it's good for the game and are moving forward regardless of what some clubs/MYSA might think. They may now alienate additional fans with the mid-season venue change, but they are saying this is what they need to be the team they want to become. Good on them. Play entertaining soccer, continue to get the Ws on the board. People will come.
My two cents worth over at Blue Sky Soccer. Way too long to post here.
http://tinyurl.com/4zplme
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I hope that NSC will also improve the quality of their other fields with this move. I felt the U fields (2 & 3) along with A fields were kept in much better shape when the Thunder played in Blaine. I for one liked the NSC as to watch the Thunder and dropped my season passes when I had to go into the City. Never mind the shorter drive to St. Paul.
I'm sure you have your reasons for dropping your season tickets and not wanting to go into the city. Everyone gets to make their own decision and should be respected for it. But when I hear this argument made with the Thunder, that folks won't drive into the city I never really understand it because I don't hear Vikings, Timberwolves or Twins or Wild fans saying I'll never go I'll never go into the city.
Being centrally located between the northern, western, eastern and southern suburbs is sort of a no brainer I would think. Equal access and driving time for all. Plus lots of places to stop for food or a drink before and or after games.
Couple of observations:
Parking was an issue around the Jimmy. Few lots, generally had to park on the street and Lexington Pkwy is no picnic to cross at any hour of the day.
If there had been a way to exapnd the width of the pitch at the Jimmy, that would have been an improvement, but we have to remember that its primary purpose still is HS throwball (American football). Yeah, they are going to lose out on some major improvements--that's business.
And yes, there is a legit beef with the probability that moving to NSC is going to result in less diversity in the stands at any given match. But on th eplus side, the owners get a facility that they can work with and renovate with a fraction of the BS that they would get in St. Paul from the city and/or the school district.
This is a long term deal, so I've been told, but a temporary fix for the first team as the Saint Paul soccer campus plans are moving forward. It's a good move for the Thunder at this point. Will the Lightning also make use of Blaine? I would think they're pretty happy playing at ELR.
I also think the move to Blaine for a few years will give the Thunder Youth System a solid footing in the North for their Academy. Could be a great magnet to consolidate talent in the area (Blaine, North Metro, Lino Lakes, Coon Rapids, Anoka, NSSA, etc). Not to mention the Thunder now probably looking at co-sponsoring all the major NSC tournaments.
Can't wait to see the renovated pitch and seating arrangement at NSC. This (the track and the seating distance from the field), IMO, was the one draw back as a soccer stadium.
The Dark Clouds were told Saturday night that the Lightning would stay at ELR. The size of that space works better than the NSC for their games.
It's also a really, really nice, if small, stadium.
The Lightning will have to show significant improvement this year or big changes will probably be forthcoming.From now on it's all about business.
I thought the Lightning had a pretty good season last year (10-1-1 and 1st place in the division). Are your referring to attendance, lack of playoff success, etc...?
Jay Weiner adds his .02 worth on this move at MinnPost (www.minnpost.com)
Boo Jay Winener! Soccer in the city didn't work because the previous owners were cheap skates. They didn't win because they were cheapskates. They didn't get fans because they were cheap skates.
Look at the Twins. May be the worst facility in the MLB...but they draw fans AND seem to put a winning field on the team. You can say Pohlad is cheap cuz he had me fund his stadium, but their combo of owner, GM and coach do what it takes to win.
I live in St. Paul. I think soccer belongs in the city. But never, never at Griffin. The pitch was too narrow, the (American) football lines were too distracting, and the artificial turf cannot compare in any way to the amazing natural turf at NSC. NSC's playing surface is really amazing, and the only drawback was the distance of the stands from the field. Seems like they are addressing that. I will happily drive 25 minutes to watch soccer played on NSC's pitch while the Thunder hopefully can build a soccer-specific stadium in the city that we can all be proud of. As far as appealing to the ethnic groups in the city, I think it is hard to appeal to them when they see the crude features of Griffin. The game is supposed to be beautiful, and Griffin was not conducive to that.
Why not consider the Uof MN Elizabeth Lyle Robbie stadium? Is it too small? Would have kept it in the city and personally I am not thrilled to drive from Lakeville to Blaine with $4.00 gas looking us in the face.
Robbie is very, very small. I think it was indeed ruled out for the reason you identify. Sorry about that drive. That really is disappointing and one reason why I (unaffiliated with the Thunder as I am) really hope that a central location can be found.
Yup, Robbie was far too small. As I mentioned in my article, Klas field was looked at as well as Macalaster and others. Nothing really worked in St. Paul.
By the way, Amos Magee, head coach of the Thunder emailed me a letter on his and his players take on the move.
Also, Manny Lagos, president of operations for the Thunder tried to answer questions I posed on my op-ed piece written about the move.
Both can now be found posted at BlueSkySoccer.com , or click on my name.
The Thunder play Atlanta on Fox Soccer Channel tonight at 7:00 PM.
With the new additions to the team they've been fun to watch so far this year!
Very impressive display by the Thunder last night against Miami FC. 4,100+ in attendance back at NSC.
Good buzz, brisk walk-up traffic.
They have marked the northwest corner of the field once it is moved with a corner flag and a bit of chalk. Once this is done, the footie is going to be up close and personal!
While many feel that a facility of their own in St. paul would be ideal, I did not hear a single person (including several from St. Paul who rode a double-decker bus up and back) longing for another match at the Jimmy.
1101,
The Thunder probably had 3,000+ free tickets there (NSC Cup handouts). In addition, the Thunder did not actually look good at all. Miami dominated possession, and then coughed up two miserable goals on mistakes in the back (left back had a nightmare) and a third because they were not paying attention on a corner. As a long-time Thunder fan, I have to say that this team is somewhat better than last year, but nowhwere near the caliber or charisma of the teams of the late 90's. The fact is that the league is worse, and the Thunder are slightly better. It's all very painful to watch, actually.
The only point on which I agree with you is that the NSC stadium will be a better venue.
Another nattering nabob of negativity....
agreed 304.
Now that the Thunder has new owner ship that brings money, how about hiring some new coaches? Quality coaches.
I vote Wayne Harrison
Better to win ugly, than loose pretty. Sure it would be great to see beautiful fubol and wins, but the last few years the Thunder had very little of either.
Wayne Harrison? OMG don't make me laugh. Besides, a Thunder coach has to be selfless, doing a ton of extra work for little to no compensation. Wayne doesn't fit that bill. He was given a chance to come aboard and lead the coaches development for the Thunder Academy and have a key role. He chose not to upset the apple cart in his cushy Eden Prairie gig. It's not only elite club directors that follow the money. In fact it happens more in CC systems.
Amos is competent. However if we're looking at throwing out names I'd suggest someone like Tony P, Manny S, or even Alan Merrick before Wayne. At least they have pro level experience. Ian maybe?
Why do the names have to come from coaches currently living in MN ?
HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
socmom *hits* the nail on the head!
Before we start looking at hiring new coaches, why don't we give this one a chance. This is the first time he has had money to work with and a roster that can be competitive. Let's give Amos a chance before we go looking for something else. I think he is going a great job so far this year and hope the team continues to win.
Before we start looking at hiring new coaches, why don't we give this one a chance. This is the first time he has had money to work with and a roster that can be competitive. Let's give Amos a chance before we go looking for something else. I think he is going a great job so far this year and hope the team continues to win.
good god, wayne harrison. you have to be kidding me.
socmom makes a good point, Looking outside Minnesota would be a good idea, IF THERE WAS A NEED TO LOOK FOR A NEW COACH.
Before you complain about Amos Magee maybe you should check their current place in the table.
9:01,
Wayne Harrison does have pro level experience. He coached Pro's in England.
What kind of coaching experience does Amos really have? Just Coaching youth teams in minnesota and maybe ODP... WOW!
Wayne Harrison would be the more experienced coach on anyone of your lists!
I'm sure the guys in this blog that are hating on Wayne are all Bangu coaches.
I'll take results over experience any day.
Why do you need great coaching experience to coach the Thunder? Amos played at a high level for many years. Seems like a solid candidate to me. He obviously knows the game and knows the A-League. I'd rather play for Amos than Bruce Arena.
Did Klinsmann have great coaching experience before coaching the German National Team?
Did Mike Tice have great coaching experience before head coaching the Queens? (that's a joke)
Let's not forget the Lightning. They could use a coach who is able to generate some offense.Not sure they could win the Reg 2 MRL.
Womens professional soccer league (7 teams) to start play in 2009.
Re 1:49: Add to the mix, apparently the Lightning's #1 attacker is also a med student? At some point, she won't have time for soccer.
PERFECT POINT - Juergen Klinsmann had pretty much NO EXPERIENCE behind the bench before he coached a German side which had no business even making it out of their group to the World Cup semi finals. "Previous Pro Experience" doesn't make you a good coach, besides unlike MOST OF YOU I've seen the 2008 Thunder squad up close and can tell you Amos has his players respect, attention, and he's a fine tactician of the game.
He's earned every right to coach the Thunder by being one of their best players throughout their history and being fully committed to the organization, even when the owner was a tightwad. Now that he has some resources he's building a really solid professional team.
I also have to second the earlier comment - check the league tables before you run your mouth.
Amos has my vote all the way.
He "coached pros in England"? before you wet yourself in admiration why don't you clarify that a little? The lower levels of professional soccer in England are nothing more than college soccer here - I've been there. Tell me he coached in the EPL, heck even the Championship, then maybe I'll pay attention.
I think that some of the cheap shots have to do with anti-Amos bias, not really what is in the best interest of that team. Remember that this blog includes parents of kids who have been cut by him or had playing time issues (I am aware of a few who take shots at him because of such experiences), and we also have CC administrators posting here who resent the Thunder-Bangu project. He is a talented, intelligent young coach with a lot of promise. As one poster observed above, we are starting to see what he can do with resources being made available to him. Judged ojectively (not from the perspective of someone with an axe to grind), I think it is humorous to suggest that the club should consider someone else. And please don't take the bait people about Harrison. As far as I am aware, he hasn't put himself in the frame, so he doesn't really deserve shots of his own on this issue.
Right on 312. Amos's selfless dedication to the Thunder both as a player and as a coach has been admirable. He has been limited in player budgets since taking the reigns. This year, finally with the resources to at least put the Thunder payroll on par with other USL clubs, he's able to show his stuff. I concur that the players respect him and their play thus far is a direct result of the leadership.
Could Wayne do a good job with a USL team? I don't really care.
Coaches from the UK????? The 2008 Euro is going to start soon and I don't see the UK in the field.I believe the UK got eliminated by some some third world country.
If these UK coaches are so good, why are they coaching in the US. Probably because they were not good enough to get a job at home and as we all know if you have an accent in MN that gets you a job coaching here.
I will first of all put all the english lads in a room and interview them and ask them who is willing to take a major pay cut. If anyone raises their hand, they get the job. Tonka; Plymouth; EP; see the trend?
hey guys - don't be knocking down the english coaches. how can you knock down a coach who has not stepped out of the comfort zone. let them continue doing what they do - please. why bring this issue up. we cannot escape the mess. I still think they are here to help my kid learn soccer as best as they can. if we choose to pay them large salaries, take the dollars and run to the bank
bloated resume=bloated salary
on the books at Such and Such FC- when you were 10
Semi-Pro player, ie, mens beer league
Former Pro Coach- at Non-Conference Bad team FC, reserve coach at best.
Seen them all, don't believe most.
All this talk about coaching, and the Thunder are really not all that good. All the talk about the table aside, it's still not a fun team to watch. Giving away thousands of tickets does not a good show make.
Another late night hater. Define good please. Are they EPL good? I doubt it. Could they compete against MLS teams? Probably pretty well. But you probably don't think MLS is any good either.
Regardless, they are the highest level of soccer lowly MN has, as well as being model ambassadors in our community. Not too shabby and I'll take it.
All the whiners complaining about the Thunder's quality of play probably couldn't run the length of the pitch.
Also doubt if most of them ever played the sport. Most likely they think they know all about the game from watching their kids play C2 and C3 in MYSA leagues...or maybe some "high quality" HS soccer.
Let's not get carried away. The quality of teams and coaching here in the USA should be evident by FIFA'S world ranking of 21.When teams like Cameroon,Ghana are ranked ahead of you silence is your ally.
I think it's more about the quality of players than the coaching.
Good players make good coaches.
Can you imagine if athletes like Adrian Petersen, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton etc were playing soccer instead of the US version of football?
Our best athletes are playing football, baseball, basketball and hockey (where there are college scholarships and huge pro contracts) rather than all playing soccer as is the case in so many of the nations that are soccer powers.
Speaking of coaches, does anyone know which coaches will NOT be returning to their team next season?
Hater?
Is it possible to express an opinion that the Thunder are not terribly entertaining and not be labeled a "hater"? The flippin' gubirds call anyone who disagrees with their silly worldview a hater. Wow, that's mean guys. I have not been part of this discussion to this point, but I guess I am a hater, because I have liked watching the Thunder in the past, but I have not been terribly impressed yet this year. Maybe they'll be good and fun to watch, but I just don't see much so far (the improved results are good, though). Now if that's being a hater gubers, then you're the idiots (actually, you're idiots anyway, but this is further useful evidence). Now that I'm trying this, I kind of like being a hater, I guess. Have a nice day, gubies!
What is a gubird and what does that have to do with the Thunder?
Let's face it. There's a lot of passion on both sides of most soccer issues. Everyone is right in their own world and everyone who opposes is a hating idiot. The Thunder have opened themselves to additional hate because of their absorption of the local elite club.
Soccer forums could be a good thing and there have been some positives with blogs like this. However, there have been more negatives to the Minnesota soccer climate in the last two years; more hate, more angst, more petty word battles.
I've appreciated some of the dialog but I do hope it comes to an end sooner than later. Thanks to mnfutbol for the attempt and effort.
Why would anyone "hate" the Thunder for association with a kids soccer club?
Are people here in Minnesota that much dislike for a kids' soccer club?
I'm a fan of futbol (mostly Mexican pro teams and bit of university. I like Thunder player Ricardo Sanchez) and know little of kids soccer in this state. It sounds child like to "hate" a pro club because of a kids club.
7:32,
How's that 3rd grade English class coming along (yep, I'm a hater, too)? Nothing like people who can't put together a coherent (that's pronounced ko-HEAR-ent) sentence calling other people idiots.
It's priceless that the sillies in here rail about the critiques of the Thunder in the EXACT SAME DICTION (you'll have to look up that one) they use to attack anti-bangu types and then wonder why people associate the two entities (Thunder and Bangu).
It appears idiots are available in many varieties these days!
1:19=idiot. Ripping someone who is clearly a foreigner for posting thoughts that come across clearly enough in a language that surly is not their native tongue. Most haters are idiots - thanks for proving our points.
seriously, 1:19... I can think of a place you can shove your "diction"... just let me know if you need suggestions.
11:51
Seriously...get a life before anger and jealousy eats you up and destroys you.
There is much more in the world to get worked up over than kids soccer.
Try not to relive your life through your kids accomplishments.
Therapy might help lessen your anger, jealousy and other unresolved issues.
I feel sorry for the kids of people like 11:51PM. Ignorance breeds more ignorance.
Actually, 11:51pm has a point. The people who write about others being "haters" are just as virulent as the people complaining about the lack of interesting or quality play by the Thunder. Who's the bigger hater? I think medication all the way around (and counseling) would be appropriate.
5:43 Surely you meant surely? surly is what I get when someone calls another an idiot with words misspelled. Also, if most haters are idiots, is the inverse true?
What type of meds?? ;-) My knees can always use some good pain killers
And please don't be surly calling me Shirley
no, most idiots are not haters. Some do not know how to hate due to their intelligence classification as an idiot. They know not what they do as idiots. Some do not hate, but are only ignorant in their idiotic ways.
As to the Thunder - or MLS, I just can't see spending my time or money on them yet. I haven't found the play to be inviting enough.....yet. My opinion and I am sure others will disagree. I'll try again later in the season.
I am an idiot and a hater, I guess, because I think the Blunder are not very fun to watch. Better? Yes, but still painful at times to behold. Better to be a pragmatic idiot and hater than a kool aid drinking, myopic moron who calls mediocre soccer the next coming. To all of the people who think the Thunder are really good now: Watch any real professional soccer league on FSC for an hour. You'll be amazed at the sharp technical play, the speed of play and the tactical organization. Then come back to reality out in Blaine some night. It's like a post Red Bull crash. Good luck to 'em, but they ain't much to watch for now. Hater! Idiot! Um, yep.
anon 11:06
The Thunder are very competitive in their league. Is this the EPL? Of course not. It's the USL.
Are there any better teams than the Thunder in Minnesota? Of course not.
You can't expect the Thunder to play like Man U or Arsenal with the budget they work with.
Are the news owners going to continue to improve the club? Of course they are.
They've done more already than the previous owners did the last 8-10 years.
Stick your nose in the air if you must but my family is going to support our pro team along with many families like ours.
7:48,
Are you including the Shattuck boys in your reference to the Thunder being better than any MN team?
7:48 - Is that a joke?
Get real...the Thunder reserves would beat SSM. The actual team would hurt them badly.
Wow, and you people think Bangu parents drink the "koolaid". SSM parents take the cake on that one.
Looks like 10:05 took the bait from 9:15--hook, line and sinker!
I think its funny that someone like Tomass finds the play "inviting" enough in local High School soccer and youth club soccer, but not the Thunder or... for cryin out loud MLS. I can't believe there are still people who claim to have some knowledge of the game who still piss and moan about MLS. Ah well, its all opinion...
Mine... MLS has grown LEAPS AND BOUNDS over the last 5 years and now finally ranks in the top 10 as far as world leagues go.
MLS results in summer friendlies against EPL teams back up my statement.
I thought this blog was shutting down??? Or was all that just MN Futbol trying to get people to say how wonderful he is and beg him to stick around.
KILL IT ALREADY
12:06 - just kill it in your mind by not coming back.......
You sure he is a he?
12:05, I couldnt agree more!! Why not 1/2 these yahoo's go and back the Thunder and Lightning.
An inquisitive mind wants to know what the status of the Thunder-Bangu Academy is? On the pitch I have heard both that it is on and it is off. Any body in the know?
You will here very soon, what is going on!!! Within the next day!!
I have heard Rumors that another club is going to be joining. Time will only tell!
Whatever. No other club is joining because the Thunder have the wrong leader (MA) and the wrong club (Bangu) involved. Keep dreaming.
au contraire 1:14.....there is more than one club and you will just have to wait for the surprise. The snowball effect will take shape over the next few years. The new target will be even bigger for all the haters out there.
114, What makes you such an expert on leadership. Since MA has joined Bangu the club has grown tremendously. If he were a poor leader I don't think he would have had the sucess he has had so far.
Rumor has it that the other club joining Bangu with the Thunder is Wings.
WOW, That would be huge!!!
4:30PM
Where at 4:30?
The sky didn't fall and it is 4:36.
http://www.bangutsunami.com/
Bangu and Wings to join with the Tunder
great first step
As I foretold months ago, the "Anschluss" has happened.
114 it appears your ability to live in denial is over.
Give it a rest toby, that mindset belongs back in the actual days of the Anschluss. What are you going to predict next....that the cc's (allies) are going to band together to fight the "thunder reich"? (actually not a bad pun). Is WH going to portray Churchill?
Check in with BlueSkySoccer.com later tonight. We will have the scoop on the entire story.
The actual Thunder press release will happen tomorrow, Thursday 6-12-08.
This is just what Minnesota soccer has needed for a long time.
Kudos to all of those with the vision and foresight to collaborate on this merger.
The new Thunder ownership and the expertise Bangu has shown over the past 5-6 years is a formidable combination. Throw in the top coaches and players the Wings have in their program and this is a grand slam home run!
I'm glad the Bangu board and the Wings looked at what is best for the top level players in Minnesota and put aside any past differences. This is a great decision by the adults involved doing what is best for the kids.
Best of luck to the Minnesota Thunder Elite Academy!
6:13 - Today ze vest metro, tomorrow ze vorld!!
Thank you Fearless Leader!
When are we going to start talking about tactics on this site? No Euro post, no Thunder post, no Lightning post, no Gopher post. Why don't we talk about the system of play for the Thunder and is it effective? Does the Lightning team have the right players in the right spots? Who would you have recruited if you were coaching the Gophers? This is the kind of stuff we should be having fun with and not Bangu this and MA that and you took my player and we are better than you and you are not any good. Grow up and lets see what you really know. How come teams play a 4-3-2-1? or for those of you who are dutch is it a 1-4-3-2-1? Don't forget the keeper. I am picking Spain over Germany. Any takers on getting it going on the Euro final 8?
Looks like the Thunder is more excited for the upcoming Burnley match than Burnley is. Hardly a mention:
http://www.burnleyfootballclub.premiumtv.co.uk/page/LatestHeadlines/0,,10413~1327456,00.html#continue
lol nice post hater. you people keep looking for the negatives.
Hey....I can't find the other thread that this was mentioned. So thought I'd post this ""I told you so" here.
Someone earllier acknowledged that CC from SSM would be playing with the Lightning this year, but that she "wouldn't make any difference". I wanted to throw the following link in that person's face and ask them what more of a difference would they expect?
http://www.uslsoccer.com/stats/2008/Top10.8630105.html
I see her name listed in three catagories along with ONLY ONE OTHER LIGHTNING PLAYER. If that isn't making a difference, then I would like to know wat that person feels would make aa difference?
BOOOH YAHHHHHH!!
Congrats to your and yours 10sDad!
SSMSouthCampus
And by the way, I forgot to addthat CC has these stats after ONLY 5 games when many on the lists have played 9 games this season. I'd say that she is rockin' the league? Anyone willing to take that bait?
SSMSouthCampus
I can't imagine anyone who's watched the above mentioned player would make such a comment. Clearly, UCLA thinks she's pretty darn good. She seems to be adding a spark for the Lightning that's for sure. We should enjoy her while we can, once she leaves for Cali she will likely find a W-League team with So Ca ties.
SSMSC
Lightning after 5 games last year: 5-0-0 11GF 1GA
After 5 games this year:
4-0-1 12GF 3GA
Not much difference is there? As I said she is a very, very good player but she is not enough to change my assessment of the team or make the team much better than last year. I stand by my statement. Your seeming need to blow your horn about anything and everything SSM is amusing though, but must be terribly embarrassing to the young lady. It is a team game, trumpeting personal statistics is pathetic.
It IS indeed a team game, and good teams include 11 players WHO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I feel it is much more pathetic for someone sitting behind a computer screen makes comments about a player saying that said player won't make a difference.
You are right about one thing, I guarantee that my post would be very embarrassing to CC knowing her personality. However, I would much rather embarrass her than to slight her by saying her presence is irrelevant and doesn't make a difference. To say that her individual accomplishments on the field for her TEAM don't make a difference just because they hold the essentially the same record as a year ago is ridiculous.
I don't know, maybe you are right. Maybe we shouldn't say anything positive at all about a player on a TEAM because it is pathetic. Wait...if that is true, why do they keep individual statistics for team sports?
SSM or not, she was left out of the exciting news that young ladies from Minnesota playing for the Lightning. When brought up, someone stated "while a good player, she won't make much of a diference"-- I am only pointing out that you were wrong.
Also, I hardly think that mentioning her is "blowing my own horn". If that is the case, many others on this board are doing a whole lot of blowing too. I guess we should never point out anything positive about players. I hope that you decide to belittle each and every person who points out anything good a player accomplishes.
SSMSouthCampus
Well said 613 and not disrespectful to the player in any way. I would not reply any further to the overinvolved and excitable personality above. The vehemence of his posts is indicative of his lack of perspective.
Lightning = professional soccer? Ummm...I'm sure the girls are having fun, but it's not very good soccer. I'm not sure why all you parents are getting so heated over something so irrelevant.
SSMSC have agreed with some of your previous posts but you are way off base this time. You need to disengage a bit.
I've watched CC play twice. She is a nice player but she isn't no CS.
Remember the Lightnings leaue isn't much stronger tham the MRL.
That is like comparing apples to oreo cookies. One is a flat out forward, the other is a work horse in the midfield. So is Brett Favre better than Barry Sanders?? How blind!!
Not stronger than the MRL?? I bet Lightning can beat Bangu Stars?? Better yet, I bet they can beat Eclipse Select!! Even better, I bet FCI can beat a MRL all-star team. Hell, FCI has beaten the U-20 Natl teams from Canada & Mexico. Lightning tied them didnt they??
Save your breath (or carpal tunnel). The provincials can't figure out what high level soccer is-- unless it equates into a High School State Championship. NOW THAT'S QUALITY SOCCER!
Good one 6:35!! I like that.
Me thinks the Stars tied the Lightning in a friendly a few weeks ago inspite of the coach giving the Lightning a couple of practice corner kicks. I'd take the U17 Milwaukee or the Ohio Elite from MRL over the Lightning.
As far as CC compared to CS....don't make me laugh. CS is a tough impact player and a proven winner capable to carry the team. CC is nowhere physical enough to play with the big girls.
Lightning is much better than any MN Club team. They would have their hands full with the strongest U17-U19 teams in the region though. This CC or CS stuff is ridiculous. #1 who cares? and #2 even though I realize there is a VERY small audience who reads this blog it has to be annoying to both players. Knock it off.
I second 9:56. I laugh at that crap. comparing a HS girl to a women who is 2 yrs out of college. LOL
Ohio Elite going 1-1-1 in Regionals..Funny
Did anyone else go to the Thunder / Inferno exhibition yesterday?
The Thunder reserves couldn't beat a MN men's league team.
The atmosphere was cirucus like.
The stands were filled however.
Dozens and dozens of daycare facilities bused in their patrons for the day.
A nice gesture perhaps.
But all I could think, having been around dozens of them over the years, was that Bangu parents / players are not gonna get behind this...
Granted, I haven't been to a regulation game yet.
I'm really hoping a more polished product is being dangled at the NSC.
Man, its never good enuf for you people. Your like sharks. Just circling your pray. Then, JUMP all over them. You know what socmom, maybe you shouldnt come to anymore games. And tell your clones as well. Just stay away. Go to the zoo or something instead.
Anon:11:26:
We've been going to Thunder games since 1992, season ticket holders for several years running, and supporting the team whether it's popular or not. My comment was meant to address the new Bangu crowd the Thunder organization is hoping to attract. My family has no problem with players who choke opponents, near brawls that break out, magicians in lime green suits, or the like. However, based on my 5 years with Bangu, I don’t see these types of antics going over well with the powder blue crowd. The Thunder will have to polish themselves up a bit is all I’m saying.
1215, Only choking and near Brawls, no shanking someone or riots before, during, and after the game. No English soccer Hooligan would ever participate in something so boring! Maybe next game?
Took my seven year old daughter to watch the Lightning play Cleveland.After the game she said "dad,how come they never put the ball into the net? Aren't they supposed to do that"?
These teams aren't very good and there was no creative play at all.Both teams looked confused and lost on offense. Zero-zero boring game.
RIGHT!! You must have your daughters mind frame then. How come EVERYONE (maybe not you) were standing the game was so exciting??
Last time I checked, most ELITE games are 1-0 scores..This isnt 7-1rec league scores and players like what you must know alot about.
Wow, first game they dont score and your the first to bitch. 20-7 shots on goal. mmmmmmmmm?
Tell ya what, keep your 7 yr old home and explain to her that you never want her to play anything more than Rec. Where they can score 7 goals.
WOW! posts like that from anon 12:09 give a clue about the soccer acumen of the posters in here knocking the Thwingu plans and program.
It actually makes me feel better to know what type of "soccer mind" is posting a lot of this pap.
He and the daughter must of been sitting down and couldnt see the action from everyone standing around them.
Im wondering if he even let you 7 yr old go down to the field after play to get autographs?? I bet not!
Its funny how a team that 12:09 says isnt any good can get a draw from a team that BEAT the Mexican and Canadian U20 Natl teams, the Canadian team that JUST beat the US Natl U20 team last week.
One more thing, there are 20, TWENTY, players on the Canadian U20Natl team that plays in the W-League. And a handful on the US Natl team. But dont worry, 12:09 knows good soccer when he see's it.
Good soccer??? Don't make me laugh.My standards are a bit higher than yours.You have been mired in mediocrity so long anything looks good to you.
Actually the game deteriorated into boot ball.Chinese fire drills are exciting also.
In response to the original query ("Are They For Real (Thunder)?"
The answer: NO!!!!!!!!!
Next question.
The Lightning are not fun to watch. They have some good players, and sometimes they put together a decent sequence on the attack, but it's pretty slow and very chaotic sometimes, too. I know this is a shot at some egos out there, and it's not meant that way. It is, however, the truth that it is not great soccer. Sorry coaches.
3/7 4:02
Autographs ??? Surely you jest.LMAO
While we are on the subject...
Reports say the Lightning lost 0-6 last night at home.
Did anybody see this one.
What the heck happened?
I was at the Lightning game last nite. FCI is a very impressive side!! 7 International Natl team players for one!. All paid pro players for two. And you add that up and you get a very upset side because Lightning is the one that is keeping them from the #1 seed in the playoffs due to the draw a few weeks ago. This team is the most fit team in the league. There isnt anything about being amature about this team, they are a pro team from top to bottom. Remember, this is the team that has beaten the Mexico and Canadian U20 Natl teams. And the Canadian team just beat the US team 2 weeks ago. Its going to be fun to see how many of FCI players get drafted next year in the WPL.
Lightning gave it there all, they were outplayed big time. They were going into this game knowing the outcome, they are playing for
2nd place starting this Thursday. 2nd place will more than likely take them to Canada in the playoffs.
Cut the excuse making. Storlien was outcoached again.The team wasn't well prepared and had their heads handed to them.Storlien is not a pro coach and is in over his head at this level.
Thanks Anon 11:21
This is an interesting FCI roster.
Based on the country listed in the bios...
11 / 21 appear to be foreign or international players
10 / 14 point earners are the same
The goal, assist and point leader lists Spain as her country.
Was #13 pretty good?
2:25, they were ALL good!! It was a fun team to watch. This is the first year for FCI to be in the WL. They havent lost a game in a few years now. As for Coach Storlien, nothing against the lightning, but FCI need to be in another league. This is a PRO team playing against amatures. Its like a U18 club team playing against a U13 club team. There isnt much you can do when FCI is faster, more fit, etc etc..go to youtube.com and pull up FCI and look what they have been doing for the past 4 or 5 months training wise. You cant compete against that at this level. The midwest is playing for 2nd place. I think the final of the WL will be FCI and Pali Blues. Simple as that. and this isnt any excuses. Plus on top of that, #15, Parker, she was just plain mean on the field.
We had a full house last nite as well, everyone was able to see what the next level is all about.
4:28, that may be all well and true, but I hate bangu, therefore it had to be the coaches fault (note the sarcasm 1:48). Also, every other team that they have played they've beaten, but if any other person had been coaching, the Lightning would have won by a greater score.......
What does the Lightning have to do with Bangu? You are paranoid.
Excuses are for losers. Have a glass of milk and go to bed.
Well, lets see how many of the FCI girls get drafted.
http://www.uslsoccer.com/home/260879.html
Im betting over 1/2 will.
Ask the Lightning players about their coach? The game plan in Indiana was brilliant. If you ask them who outcoached who in Indiana everyone of them will tell you Storlien outcoached Shek. The 6-0 loss was a different game plan. DS told me they wanted to save some ideas for the third and most important time. I guess they have to get in the playoffs first. Regardless of the plan it will be tough to beat FCI.
8/7 2:09
Dan...Ya right.Who you trying to kid.
Lightning have a secret weapon they will unleash the next time they play. Danny will dress up in drag and play and lead the Lightning to the biggest upset in W League history.
Anon 2:09- Surely you jest.
"save some ideas for the third and most important time"
FCI is loaded with professional international talent.
They are rolling over other W-League teams.
And, the Lightning were basically playing for a shot @ first place.
I can't believe a coach with DS reputation would do anything but play all out the entire game.
Maybe he underestimated IN after the lucky 1-1 tie?
Whatever the case, that had to be one frustrating loss.
To Anon 5:13:
Here's what Bangu has to do with the Lightning. Both male coaches are from BTFC. Close to half the roster are current or former Bangu players.
The Lightning is also very young with several U17-U18 Bangu players who are also Gopher recruits. I am not saying these are key players for them but they do see the field. This experience will benefit them once they don the maroon and gold.
anon 12:02,
So is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Clearly, the Lightning will continue to struggle as the W-League becomes more and more professional.
Some of these other rosters are being filled with international and ex collegiate players.
These are women getting paid to play the game they love.
The Lightning is restricted to using future or current NCAA athletes who have the ability to pay.
On top of it, the roster keeps being filled with familiar local faces.
Therein is part of the problem.
The Lightning may have to change course if they truly want to compete with the likes of FCI and Pali and company.
Which leads into another question?? Like the USL men, do you think there should be a W-A League?? For the likes of FCI, Pali, ATL, Boston and a few more, the pro teams. But, next year, the draft will be in place, and FCI, Pali and the others will all take hits and some of the key players will advance to the WPSL.
Iv been thinking about this WA League, I think it would be nice, but it would be more costly to the clubs to travel further. So I guess Iv answered that question..
I would also have to agree that 90%of the Lightning is x-MN youth players. There are a few Iowa girls on the roster. To be able to compete with the FCI's, you need to have a more rounded roster. But then again, I applaud these MN girls for still getting out and playing.
The Gaels from Chicago and FCI are somewhat AAA clubs for the new WPSL Chicago Red Stars. Will they treat the Gaels and FCI as training grounds for the pro girls that dont make the travel roster or are working themselves back into shape etc?? MN is going to have to going after the girls and pay them. If this gets to that point.
The Lightning is also very young with several U17-U18 Bangu players who are also Gopher recruits. I am not saying these are key players for them but they do see the field. This experience will benefit them once they don the maroon and gold.
8/7/08 12:07 PM
I wouldnt call 1 current Bangu player and another that will be leaving to college in a few weeks 'several'.
There are 4 Bangu youth players that play that are future U of M players. TS,SE,JS and MP. Before anyone gets excited I am not saying they are important cogs in the machine or even that they are the best youth players in MN. They are good players though and will be better ready for college soccer and MDW with this experience. The only downside is that once they begin play with the Gophers they will be subject to an NCAA regulation which limits the # of players from one college that a team like the Lightning can use. I believe it is 5 or 6.
Took a look at Soccer Buzz college player signees..Rankings.....
I believe we had two players ranked in the top 200 signees.
What does this say about status of MN soccer.........
It says MN has 1% of the top 200 college player signee as determined by Soccer Buzz.
nothing more nor nothing less.
And most of those players still have to prove they deserve time on the field at the college level.
527 Soccer buzz rankings are useless past the top 20 or so. Are you serious?
What it says to me is that the new combined entity of Thunder/Wings/Bangu is needed and a step in the right direction toward improving the level of play in Minnesota.
Bangu has pushed the envelope and set a new standard in Minnesota and now it's time to attempt a jump to an even higher level.
Why not have professionals in the field decvelop training etc for our youth?
It's about time progressive soccer minds took this leap.
Thanks to the visionaries at MN Thunder, Bangu and Wings for taking this big step.
I have no dog in this fight, but I agree with 8:31..Its becoming a real club, starting out with youth and developing the players so they will have a chance to play with the Lighting and Thunder. Its a positive step forward. And for those that do not agree, then its simple, dont go to the new MTA, just keep doing it the way you always have been doing. No wonder the players arent getting better, DAH!!
I agree the Thunder is the way to go. Who are some of the coaches who will be responsible for developing players? How will it be an improvment as compared to what the clubs do today?Hopefully this will be more than just consolidating the best players.
No, the Thunder are not for real.
Thwingu types are also real, but the jury is out on that one.
I'd say about 1/2 the Bangu trainers are OK, 1/2 are pretty bad, and all are overpaid. Wings doesn't offer anything except maybe a few British accents, which is all you need to satisfy those western suburban parents.
I'd say about 1/2 the Bangu trainers are OK, 1/2 are pretty bad, and all are overpaid. Wings doesn't offer anything except maybe a few British accents, which is all you need to satisfy those western suburban parents.
anon 12:05
Can you tell us how much those overpaid trainers earn?
Maybe I should change jobs?
Seriously, how much do you think they make?
mr. bi-curious, if the trainers aren't making the big money, someone's skimming it off. The two BNG budget sheets I saw last fall were shockingly high.
Wasn't May 24th a great day?
It's the last time the Blunder won a game. These guys are a sputtering Pinto and the perfect locomotive for the Thwingu parade.
Ok, new question to debate...For those that was able to watch FCI play Lightning, what would be the general feeling if Lighting started recruiting out of state players like FCI does?? I noticed that there are a few out of state players on the current roster now, what would that do to the current fan base?? Would you approve or disapprove? Should players get to make the team JUST because they are from MN?
1147 I don't think there is enough interest in the Lightning that it would matter either way. Most adults you see at their games are parents or friends of players or parents of U-Littles that were told to be there as a team activity. But in answer to your question, there are many players from out of state on the team now, nobody makes the team just because they are from MN. I don't think anyone cares where the players are from. Why would they? No teams in the W league are limited to players from their home state.
Lightning lose 1-0 to Chicago. That will most likely eliminate them from the playoffs. Should finish 3'rd in Midwest division.
Chicago coach Nikchevich said he made a couple of adjustments preparing for the Lightning and they were able to avenge their earlier loss to the Lightning.
Thank you, Burnley F.C., for bringing professional soccer to Minnesota. It was a treat to watch a Professional Team play up in Blaine tonight (and the "new" stadium is very nice).
I capitalized "Professional" and "Team" because our woeful club is neither. Individually, the Thunder had the better-skilled players. Unfortunately, they don't play together at all. I don't care who the coach, president, marketing director or owner is, the Thunder stink and are no fun to watch unless their opponent is a Professional Team. Why Bangu wants to align with them is beyond me.
Bummed Soccer Dad
BS Dad, you obviously weren't watching the entire game. Burnely came out very strong but the Thunder held their own once they got settled it. Actually I was amazed the Thunder were not awarded two PKs in the first half for a shirt pull and then a complete steamroller in the box a few minutes later. I agree Burnely overall had a better sense of team play but to say the Thunder stink and are no fun to watch is an opinion you hold, far from a fact to many others.
Great turnout, great stadium, great opponent, great tournament to showcase this event. Great job Thunder!
I was bored after 5 minutes last night. Certainly a great turnout, though 97% of the fans won't be back (USA Cup players). I must say I was disappointed with all the Thunder Academy announcements...that will certainly turn off all the local clubs that seek to put competitive teams on the pitch. If Thunder = Bangu, I won't attend another game.
A
Buh bye. Take your support of pro soccer away just because they are trying to raise the level of the game here in the area. You're not the type of fan wanted.
11:57
I completetly agree. The half a dozen or so of the bashers and haters on this blog won't be missed.
The reason these people have turned on the Thunder is all one needs to know about them.
Just read between the lines.
my my - can't take someone's contrasting opinion? The worst thing you can do if you are part of the Thunder organization is to isolate yourself with people that support your point of view and what you feel you are doing right.
What you want to do is find out why you can't get some true soccer fans to spend their money and support the home semi-pro side.
I consider myself to fit into the latter category.
Read between the lines all you want, but I have given them a chance this year once again and leave feeling unexcited.
11:57 and 1:28 you are missing the point.
Either the Thunder Academy is going to fulfill a new "vision" or it's just going to be Bangu / Wings, and their baggage, with a new name.
It's insulting to potential players and their families to be billing this as an innovative program if only a title is altered.
As the days pass, I'm becoming less convinced we'll see any significant change or draw from players outside the already entrenched teams at BTFC and WSC.
BTW-There's nothing wrong with the above.
Just stop hyping this as some truly unique club and cease the yammering about change etc.
You don't think it's innovating to have a professional team partnered with the elite kids in our state? I disagree. BTW, wait until you hear the new mandate coming down from USSF about US professional organizations and what they must do with young players in terms of development.
I agree with the buh bye and I also agree with Tomass. I think I can do both...
There they go again, using "professional" and "Thunder" in the same sentence again...
Shekki
There he goes again, sour comments from a bitter individual again...
I for one am thankful to the Thunder for bringing Burnley to Minnesota, for the chance to watch a Championship side in action in our back yard. Why in the world complete idiots like Shekki can't seem to grasp the benefit of this, the benefit that having a pro team in our area brings with it, again illustrates judgment and comments based in hate.
I thought it was funny
I think Shekki was referring to the fact that the Thunder is hardly a professional team when compared with Burnley. The Star Tribune compared the USL with Burnley's competitive league, as if the US second-tier was comparable to England's second tier. I'd have to think England's second tier would be on par with our MLS, as our USL "professional" team couldn't beat AC MIlan's U17s.
Kicks fan
Shekki's post from 7/10/08 at 2:29 cut and pasted from the Thunder+Wings+Bangu thread.
"P.S. Most of the non-white boys are at least 2-3 years older than they say they are."
Run along WeeWee...we don't need your type in our soccer community.
Senor Latino (aka 7:04am), you're as much of a pest as Shekki is. Let it be.
Anon 2:05.
Innovate implies new or changed.
Based on the current guys in charge and teams from which players are largely going to chosen...
I do not see an abundance of originality.
Now, had the Thunder gone it alone....
That would be a different story.
New club, new coaches, new players, new parents joining forces...
That's a change, and it would also have been a truer test of elite players dedication to the new vision.
Step up, tryout, make it hard for them not to chose the same old players, see if they stick with the current players as you assume.
You are not suppose to shoot birds that are still on the ground, but you can fire away as soon as they take flight.
Minnesota has done a poor job regarding development for years.Need to change priorities regarding training.Perhaps the Thunder will provide the coaching needed to raise the level of soccer in MN. Will we see some new coaches or will it be more of the same.Hope for the best. Time will tell..............
Same old same old. Wings becomes Bangu West because Bangu couldn't establish a credible presence in the West on their own. I feel bad for Wings, as they're being used.
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