Time for the kids to take the field and show us what they've got. Good luck to all the players and teams. This should be a great cup with many outstanding match ups in the group stages.
Schedule and results here: http://www.mnyouthsoccer.org/events/statecup.cfm#sched
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U13
Group A
Bangu rolling in its two first games and is through to semis. Eden Prairie surprisingly falls twice and is out. Champlin has a very large player who seems to be their main threat. Blackhawks flat against Bangu but get good result versus Eden Prairie, so they are hard to assess. Blackhawks v. Champlin will decide who joins Bangu in semis. Tough one to predict.
Group B
Wings looking solid, but maybe not as strong as Bangu. St Croix starts right gainst Rochester but are flat against Wings. NSSA and Rochester seem to have started slowly. St. Croix needs a win or a tie against NSSA to progress. Looking like Wings and St. Croix for the semifinals.
Anon said-The 3 most talented U16 Boys teams are in no particular order.
Super Eagles
Blackhawks
Bangu
It's too bad the talent from these 3 teams isn't combined because they could have a real shot at winning regions. As they stand right now whichever one wins State Cup will not have a chance at Region 2 finals.
Comment- Agree, consolidation would be nice, but they would have to find a talented coach to lead. 2of 3 may be OK.
You obviously haven't watched St. Croix U16 B
seems to be a real push for u16 talent merging.Must be a Coach of one of the teams or a very active parent.The 91 92 s have been raising the bar for each other for years with great competition amongst them,the fact that it remains highly competitive just keeps up the level,it might be healthier than stacking one team.
The 3 teams mentioned with having the top talent is a silly post,other teams have talent too.
Spot on 9:21!
My .02 worth, Competition is something that everyone should want, it should make everyone work harder to achieve success, if you were to try to consolidate the so called top talent on one team you defeat the purpose of trying to raise the bar across the state. Over the past few years Arsenal(PSA)and Bangu were the stronger teams but now you can look at this age group the U16's and see other teams (Clubs) have worked hard to gain that level and are having success in doing so. I say the more competition the better as it should make everyone better.
Just my .02 worth
Player movement for both Bangu and ASE has probably evened things out more than anything else.
When are they going to post the Championship dated and times? Ridiculous they are holding out for groups that need time to clear work schedules, etc.
anon 8:51 hit the nail on the head.
The talent for U-16 boys isn't being consolidated by a coach, manager or club. The talent is actually becoming more dispersed in this age group.
This has been led by a couple of parents who want to coach their own sons and have pulled a few of their sons teammates along for the ride. I'm not saying this is right or wrong. It's just the reality of what has occurred.
All this will do is result in our Boys U-16 State Cup champion getting spanked at Regions. This in comparison will be a letdown to the success this year class has had the past few years at Region 2 championships.
950,
Thats a fair assessment as I've seen the Super Eagles and Bangu play this year and neither of them are as talented or deep as the last 2 years.
It does open the door for one of the other clubs at this age level.
Blackhawks are improved and Westside looks like they have too. St Croix might have a chance if they overachieve.
It looks wide open to me.
Within two years the super team will be the Thunder/Bangu team.The top players will all gravitate to them.Minnesota will then be able to compete on an even footing with other national powers.
Soon parents will be doing a cost/benefit analysis to determine if the cost to participate in all sports is worth it. Some futurists predict only the wealthy will be able to participate.
4:06, whatever flavour of kool-aid you are sipping, I'll take a glass.
anon 818 with the .02 worth;
I think 80 of the state's top U16's going for the top 18-20 spots on a MN Select team is called competition that makes the top tier of players better. It opens up another 20 spots at the U16 premier level for more kids to compete for.
Right now the top 30-50 players are comfortable where they are. Take the bar up one more level.
Rumors continue that Shattuck and Thunder/Bangu will receive USSF Academy entry in 2009 or 2010.
When that occurs those 2 programs will no longer compete in the Minnesota Leagues or State Cup at the USSF Academy ages but will compete in the USSF "National League".
The top talent will gravitate to SSM and Thungu and we will have the top Minnesota players consolidated on 2 teams. SSM will continue to recruit nationally and Thungu will have the majority of the top Minnesota players on their roster.
This situation all in all will be good for Minnesota soccer. Instead of MYSA consolidating the talent it will be done under the USSF umbrella. Plus they won't compete against Minnesota clubs at State Cup or premier league. I believe MRL is also out for USSF teams.
This is a solution that should satisfy the calls for an organization other than a club to pull the top talent onto the top teams.
Anon 7:53
Are you sure that teams accepted into USSF can't play in MYSA leagues or State Cup?
If that's true it might be a good thing for the rest of the MYSA teams to get Bangu-Thunder teams out of the MYSA leagues and out of State Cup.
I think a lot of the jealousy of the Bangu club would fade away if that is the case.
I think it would be great for Minnesota to have one of the USSF Academies here.
7:53 is correct--once you have an academy, they are NOT eligible to play in State Cup or leagues.
It would be a good thing.
Could anyone provide a summary of how the U14 age group is playing out? I have no kids there but know some of the teams, players, etc.
Why would academy teams not be allowed in state cup? What is the reasoning?
USSF dictates that Academy teams cannot participate in state operated leagues, MRL and State Cup.
They have their own league and a set plan that balances training and games.
They feel adding other matches would unbalance the plan they've used fairly successfully in the Bradenton Academy.
lakeville wouldnt stand a chance against bangu in the 17's
their weak
The Academy goal is also focused on development. State Cups, MRL's, etc... are all focued on winning (yes, I know, this sounds all very altruistic). The National League often holds their weekend play where virtually all the teams come in to play which provides an excellent college showcase and upper level national team evaluation opportunity. If you go to Andy Kaasa's site there is an update on the program's first year from its director.
I've heard that some of the Clubs that are now apart of the academy's are wanting out. Has anyone else heard that?
Not sure, they did just add all the DFW clubs that had been holding out as part of I think 1new clubs. I'm sure there are some that have changed their minds as it might not be the direction that they want to go in. I do know that at least both BNG & SSM are wanting in.
Predictions for the 16's and 17's this weekend??
Kickers 2 Bangu 0
That would be funny. Unlikely, however. I hear Bangu's coach got a little tough on them this week in training...interesting to see how that works out.
The major weakness of the U17 Bangu team is their lack of selfless leadership on the field. The players have great talent but largely play for themselves, not for the team. This seems to manifest itself in their emotionless play and it could be their Achilles heel.
I agree, someone on the BG 17's needs to step up on the team. However, of all the teams I have seen at State Cup this year, they are definitively the most organized. They all know their roll defensively but it needs to translate into offense. Once that happens, they will be a very fun team to observe!
We'll see what happens. I will not be able to make it out to their Saturday game, however if they put some goals in and advance I would be anxious to see who they play on Sunday. Credit to SCV, they have been the sleeper this year, while they are not a technically sound squad they are very hard working and are confident. Look for more SCV surprises.
Kinda funny watching these cup kids trying to play possession soccer.Minnesota teams don't have enough kids skilled enough to play this style. You want to win play direct. You want to play for a tie play possession.Possession is on the way out at all levels.The athletes play direct.
I find it funny that a team that doesn't give up goals is called our for playing for themselves and not as a team.
Look at the BNG 17's goals allowed in MRL Premier division, tourneys and State Cup to date.
Defense is all about being selfless and playing as a team.
But it could be all the opponents they played in MRL, natioanl level tourneys and in State Cup to date have been just plain horrible and incapable of scoring. ;-)
2:28 - you are right if you want to win MN State Cup. Unfortunately, you then get smoked at regionals by the "possession" teams.
BNG17 has a Wildcard slot from MRL, they finished 2nd, the 1st place team won thier state cup. I wonder if State cup really means anything to them.
Two teams can still pass them for that Wild Card spot this weekend - although unlikey - Gallagher from Missourri and United 1996 from Kentucky. So - to this point, nothing is guaranteed.
Point above is spot on - if you want to win the MN state cup, play direct and tackle hard. If you want to win at Regionals, play with the ball and have one dynamic goal scorer on your team.
I love how people always have the answers to 'how to win?'
You can win playing any style. It all comes down to the players - which team has the best and deepest talent pool. Too much credit is being given to tactics and coaching (especially for MN State Cup).
maradona - i think it might be more accurate to say that the right style with the best and deepest talent pool wins games. But now we have to define best and deepest talent? Is a burner up top with speed but marginal skills a talented player? That player might be so-so in my book, but if he/she scores a few goals then everyone will put him on a pedestal and label him a great player. Put a solid defender on him and he's easily tamed. There are lots of examples of style versus substance in evaluating and defining what a talented soccer player is.
What going on with the new MPSL? Anyone participate in their April tournament?
U16 Boys
Blackhawsk 3 AFC SE 1
AFC does not advance to the semis. They will be lucky to stay in the MYSA premier league. So much for all the talk from their parents about how great their coach was. The boys did play hard and should be proud, but were undone by lack of tactics and poor training.
But not too proud to go to the Blawkhawks or Bangu next year. Coach will do like he did with his older son's team...pull him out of youth soccer...or take his ball and go home.
The SE stunk up the place - nanananahhhh. I am so happy that they lose a game in MN - go home - I will be calling Tomas and Bangumon for a brew tonight.
The last time I checked the coached son doing well at a D1 college and many of the players are still playing. I just hate that. Where is my gripe and complaint? I am jealousy for any kid to succeed if he is connected with this coach.
I was not at the game - but on my way home I made the calls and the results were just what I wanted.
I was at the game and BHK scored three goals by well trained BHK players. These players came from the Bhk training program and now they are well developed. I think from what I was told BHK has good training and this coach should move the team to BHK because these players who scored the goals showed their technical abilities - IMO - and if players migrate to BHKs they benfit from good training and do well.
2 goal scorers and the GK from BHK were developed by Bangu and just went to the Blackhawks this year. Another case of an ego drive parent/coach bolting with players. I don't think anyone from last year BHK team even starts now. Other top players came from other clubs as well. The Blawkhawks players were developed by other clubs. You should get you facts straight.
anon 2:51 you must be suggesting that after bangu develops them, they go to clubs like BHK of less caliber. I thought BNG had the training and power to keep these players. Does MA know about this that parent/coach can do this to BNG? strange as it may sound I hate to have my kids play for BHK then if they are pirating players form the pure elite club bangue.
that is one thing wrong with parent/coach, they care for their kid and then go create a good team elshere when they could be called MA boys! when will thius end?
did you see today bangu is advanceing despiute loising biug to westside. maybe we should have kids go to westside instead?
anon 2:51 are you a coach or a displaced parent whose child was cut by one of these parent/coach? if you are coach, my suggestion is for you to find a U12 boys team and start working with them and maybe in four years they wiull be yoiur team. if you are a parents, then you missed the bus - wait for the next bus.
U17 Semi-finals
Bangu vs. Lakeville
Edina vs. Champlin
any predictions?
Bangu played few started and had nothing play for. They were already through.
Westside is a good and if they can perform well in the semis and final should be considered one of the top teams at the age group. I would actually like to see Westside get a chance to go to regionals.
There really is a lot of talent at this age group, but it is pretty evenly split between at least 4 teams and may be 5 or 6 teams.
I don't care where the SE players go...as long as they leave the ego-driven mess behind.
You gotta love the U17 boys result
SCV 0 WNG 0
Another rabid parent group gets to eat humble pie after talking/typing crap for weeks!!!
Lakeville had a kid or two tossed from their game with Eagan...they now face Bangu who won 12-0 over the pointless entrant Kickers.
Bangu 2-1
Champlin does what it needs to do and coasts into semifinals...Edina follows suit - buit is not strong enough.
Champlin 3-1
Looks like there is a dead-heat for the last semifinal place in U14 between MUS02 and PSA. How is that tie-breaker to be determined. The team that advances plays MUS01. Interesting.
anon 4:35 you avoided the real question : are u a parent or a coach. seems like you do care about where players go since you don't want the egos. you must have a vested interest in the U16 age group what is it? why the concerned? are u saying the U17 does not have talent spread amongst teams? are you saying the U15 is different?
Now let us look a the numbers for boys U17 and under for the Semi's,
BHK - 13, 15, 16
BNG - 13,14, 15, 16, 17
CDA - 15, 17
EDI - 15, 17
LKV - 17
MUS - 14
SCV - 13, 14, SCV
WSD - 16
WNG - 13
Yes the 14's still have MUS & PSA up in the air on PK's to advance.
Wings should have went onto the semi's they missed three open breakaways.. Unlucky..
I agree with you, 7:49, Wings dominated the possession and had the majority of the possession. It's a shame a good team as of Wings can't go on..
I am a parent and a coach, and neither a parent nor a coach. I have no interest in the age group, except that I have great interest in the age group. Who are you and what is your interest or disinterest in the age group.
I would like to see MN teams do well at regionals. Both genders, all ages, regardless of the clubs they represent. I prefer to see egotistical coaches, coaching no more. For more that 10 years I have watched egotistical coaches miss the chance, to give MN a chance, to do well at regionals.
After all, isn't the point of state cup to advance to regionals and represent MN? Isn't the point of regionals to advance to nationals?
The u-17 group has been very interesting to watch. SCV doesn't give up a goal and yet goes home. Wings give up only 1 goal and go home.CDA wins all 3. lakeville moves on due to scv/wings tie, otherwise they go home! Bangu is solid but not as impressive as we thought. This is the stuff that we want to watch! 2 games that should be really good. The final should be VERY fun to wtch
any predictions for the u 16 semi's
u16 predictions,
Two close games with teams of different styles,great matchups.
why not tally them all?
Semi finalist count by club:
1 - EAG, LKV, MPB, NLS, NSS, NMT, TNK, VLY, WBL
1.5 - MUS (14B shootout)
2 - CDA, EDI, EDP, FBT, WNG, WYZ
3 - WDB
3.5 - PSA (14B shootout)
4 - BHK, SCV
15 - BNG
A strong showing by BHK, SCV, PSA and WDB. These seem to be the up and coming clubs. I would expect EDP and CDA to continue to increase their numbers for very good teams also.
BHK, SCV, PSA and WDB seem to be following the "build a team" model for getting talented squads assembled. Obviously BNG used a similar model historically, but has been more focused on academy and early age group team/player development over the past 2 or 3 years.
It would be nice to see the WNG club make a comback for highly competative teams.
Here's another tidbit from teams in semi finals.
Bangu girls have a semi-finalist in 5 of the 6 age groups in which they entered a team.
Bangu boys have a semi-finalist in all 6 age groups in which they entered a team.
It's good to see an outstate club like Faribault finally developing some players and having success at State Cup. They have 2 teams in semi finals this year.
Bangu only needs Springfield to beat Gallagher today at 1pm and then this event is pointless for the 17s team. Hopefully MN can get two teams in to Regionals.
10:43 - is that sarcasm? You do know that's Shattuck don't you?
I hear Ely/Tower have combined to form an academy,they have committments from as far away as Virginia and Hibbing,some real soccer rumblings upon the iron range.They have called Arrowhead Thunder and it will be headed by Jack Pine-Savage who must be good as he once was in the Thunder program.Duluth have gone on rcord a saying they will not join.
IS SSM developing players or stealing them from other clubs? Other states? Other countries?
Other planetary systems 2:01. Rumor has it they have recruited two Klingon defenders and a shapeshifter forward for next season.
Sheesh.
u16 final will be Bangu/St Croix.
Bangu 1 Blackhawks 0,St Croix 1 Westside 1{St C on penalties}
I watched both games,Bangu were just a bit smarter than Blackhawks and deserved the late win,BH missed a pen. but it was a harsh call.St Croix edged their game with Westside and just deserved the win.
Should be a good final.
#7 for the U17 BNG boys played like the "selfless leader" someone was referring to earlier. A real workhorse effort. Lakeville started strong but last 3/4 of the game was Bangu.
both lakeville and bangu played hard. it was even going into the second half both teams had good chances. but in the end bangu had a great goal that was impossible to save. bangu should take down champlin.
Anon 9:57pm, I am a parent and have a beef to grind. I want my kids to go to regionals - five days in the sun - not bad. It is a shame that you have focused on one team and not on the demise of many teams sent by non=ego coaches. you are a sad case (not a parent, not a coach) but you have agonized over this for 10 years. what is in for you? most people involved in soiccer are parents and they pay the coaches. what is your reason - please come out clean. I have stated my position. either you must be a soccer stalker or you need to get a life and stay away from soccer. as a parent, we have seen both parents coaches and non parent coaches and they results have not been different. I have also seen non parent coach stink up the place. I have been involved in other sports (basketb all, baseball, and hockey, they are thousands of parent coaches and they seem to do well and send kids to higher levels. should soccer not follow football or basketball and let the best person do the job? mackenzie in basketball was success at henry. the kids are succeeding with parent coachs at college? you need to give this up and find another topic
Anon 8:59
I think the reference to SSM developing teams goes back to the knock we used to hear about Bangu before their Academy program started producing many excellent young players.
SSM obviously isn't developing these players. They just pluck them from other Minnesota clubs as well as other clubs in USA and Canada.
My sarcastic remark is my way of saying this topic has been beaten to death already. And I won't take the bait on player development at SSM or Bangu. Those topics have also been rehashed over and over.
Anon 859
Anon 928
BH U16 did not miss the PK, that was a fine save by the BNG keeper. I agree with the rest, I think the BNG midfield definitely a bit better. Both defenses played well.
Both teams missed 1 sitter on breaks that I saw.
Any word on BU15 semis? MYSA has not posted these from yesterdays games.
BU15
Bangu 1 Blackhawks 0 in OT, game should never have gotten that far, Blackhawks outplayer throughout the game
Edina 2 Champlain 0, Edina was the better team.
Agreed.... Bangu left a several goals on the field. Credit to Blackhawks, they played a tough game.
Hmmm....my posts no longer show up. What is happening here?
SSMSouthCampus
boys postings 276, girls site has ...726 posting! Wow, i cant imagine what they could be talking about that much!
I watched the Bangu v Blackhawks U15 match (I'm a Blackhawks parent). Bangu were dominant and soundly beat Blackhawks. Bangu created many chances, but their finishing was weak (and Blackhawks gk had a very strong game). There was a lot of talent on display, but Bangu was unquestionably better on the day. Congrats to them.
Both teams had issues finishing. Both keepers had strong games, but the Bangu keeper saved the pk
Bangu will need to finish if they want a chance against St. Croix.
SSM South Campus -
It an conspiracy to keep any and all SSM parents from posting. :)
how do we let SSMsouth campus know that he has to click on the "newer" postings to get past # 200? I was confused also
any predictions for the U17 final tomorrow night?
I see the U17 final being a very good one. I can't see bangu allowing a goal as they defend as a team very well. However, they will need to finish one of their chances that they will get or else they will have to deal with penaltys. both goalie's would be very strong if it happens to go into pk's.
Bangu 1 Champlin 0
To ParentsAnon
You either "have a beef" or "have an ax to grind", you don't "have a beef to grind."
YOU need to get a life...trying to tell me what to say and what not to say. This is a blog where people exchange ideas and opinions.
You're not my Mother, my Mother is a much better typer and speller. She also does mix her metaphors.
The vast majority of my posts are positive. I hope your son does get a chance to go to regionals...even if you can't spell or type.
To ParentsAnon
You either "have a beef" or "have an ax to grind", you don't "have a beef to grind."
YOU need to get a life...trying to tell me what to say and what not to say. This is a blog where people exchange ideas and opinions.
You're not my Mother, my Mother is a much better typer and speller. She also does mix her metaphors.
The vast majority of my posts are positive. I hope your son does get a chance to go to regionals...even if you can't spell or type.
anon 8:20 - my son will be gone to regionals and I really just know soccer and have a beff to ground. hope u can join us because we will be cheering for you and your son too. why does it sound like you have a chip on your back or you won't be so small. let's cheer all teams and not worry about so much who coaches them. OK. we the parents pay these bills and if we are happy with the coach, why do you care so much.
I love a good mixed metaphor - I take mine chilled, stirred, no salt with a bottle chaser.
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predictions for finals
Wow parentsanon, you are setting the bar pretty low. I'm gonna guess that you are really not going to regionals, you are an AFC SE parent, and for some reason can't see that the other anon is "pulling the knife in your back", or is that "sticking you with a chain?"
Predictions
U13: Bangu 3 - Blackhawks 1
U14: St Croix 2 - MU 1
U15: Bangu 3 - Edina 0
U16: Bangu 2 - St Croix 0
U17: Bangu 2 - CDA 1 (PKs)
U18: Faribault Champs
U19: Bangu 4 - Maplebrook 0
U14 MSU will win 2-0 over St. Croix
mu 1 s.c 0 u14
St Croix 1 Bangu 1,pens St Croix wins
U16: Bangu 2 - St. Croix 1
anon 3:11 - my son goes to SSM and we are happy he is there and we foot the bills - no problems - his regionals thing is overrated and sometimes we forget that going there is not a right to an accomplished soccer player. I wish all clubs will join SSM. I don't care about regionals or maybe I do. so nothing to do with any team you believe what you want to beleive. we are happy with what we have and give parents a chance to send their kids where ever they want
U17 Boys
CDA 2 - Bangu 1
CDA knows how to put the ball in the back of the net.
5:43 is not an SSM parent. "I wish all clubs will join SSM." That comment alone tells me it is some moron trying to once again stir the pot.
Nice try.
U13 Boys Final
Bangu 1 - Blackhawks 0
Boys U17 Final
Bangu 1-CDA 0
weak goal..but i guess thats all it took!
U17 - Weak goal off of a set piece? A short corner to the front post flicked back to the PK - finish was a strong shot on a half volley - I'd say it was good finish. Bangu had the better of the play. CDA looked quick in transition, but Bangu's 4 in the back were very strong all night. CDA only challenged from 30 yards out while Bangu played to corners. Bangu should have doubled the lead twice... Overall Fun game to watch, good luck to Bangu. Represent MN well.
U17 game was excellent! I also did not think it was a weak goal. CDA started the game timid and Bangu pretty much scored because of it. CDA came out strong the second half and really took it to Bangu. Bangu's swarming defense pretty much squashed CDA attack around the 18 yard line. I thought the stars of the game were not, Bangu attack or even their goalie but those four defenders and even more importantly Bangu's bench. One of Bangu's biggest strength is they are able to sub out the middle mid field, were as CDA middle mid played the whole game. Fresh legs are a excellent weapon. In the long run I think those two factors decided the game for Bangu.
On a different note. Because the U16 games was just across the path I got to see quite a bit of both games. Previous posters here have often claim how much more talented the U16 age group was then the U17. After watching those two finals, I think you can easily say that is not the case. Both Bangu & CDA would wax the U16 Bangu & SCV teams. All teams mentioned are excellent, but one age group does not dominate the other.
The problem with the 16 boys age group is that the talent is spread across the top 5-6 teams.
Each of the top teams have a few very strong players.
I hope SCV does well at regions but unless they get lucky and draw North Dakota they won't win a game.
Nor would any of the current U16 boys teams. The talent is far too diluted.
Wow, do you suppose that the 17 are the same way? Could it be that the 17 did the consolidation thing earily (U13) and then everone split up? Again, the talent pool, is no bigger or no smaller in either age group. 16 success in the past has been based on the earily maturity of some players and a concentration of those players on one team. As the rest of the players mature you will see those players have less and less of an impact on the game.
Same person keeps beating their drum to the "16s are too diluted" beat.Why is it any different than any other age group?
Fact is St Croix are much better than you give them credit for.What an insult to say they'll struggle at Regions,that simply isnt true.They may not win it but will compete well.I bet you they win a game other than a game against N.D.,are you willing to put your money where your mouth is anom 12 53?
As for 17s v 16s its a mute point.I do know that 16s can compete with 17s,15s not with 16s.
I'll add another possibility to anon 12:53 prediction.
St Croix may also have a chance to beat South Dakota.
and about 10 other states.If the draw is knd they'll be in the semis,they are as good as PSA last year,facto!
The problem is the competitive nature of some parents can't just let their kid be good and his actions talk for themselves. But they need to continually, point out that the other kids are crap. I know I've always noticed the players who talk the most smack do so because they can't play.
Amen! If St. Croix can win regionals, or do respectable, then come on in and talk smack afterwards. Until then, worry about being prepared.
For the boys I would say that the U17 Bangu team had the best chances at advancing. They have real solid team and if they stick to their game plan they should do okay.
They need get better service from their set plays to increase their scoring. Plus their outside attack is not as good as last year.
The U16 group is the most talented. The talent at U16 is the most spread out amongst the top teams and throughout the state. The 92 ODP team had 8 players make region pool practices in 2007. The 91 ODP team had 4 players make region pool practices in 2007. The 92 ODP team made the region camp semis in 2007. The U16 PSA team made the regional semis the last couple years. The top two players at U16 no longer play in Minnesota, one is in Europe. SCV U16 "coming out of nowhere" to go undefeated at State Cup also shows how spread out the U16 talent is.
Nobody expected SCV U16 to win State Cup. SCV U16 will do fine at regions. They have earned some respect for what they did at State Cup. They will likely do what every other MN Boys team has done over the 15 years at regions, which is not win it. But maybe they will shock us like they did at State Cup. The U16 age group will most likely settle for mediocrity on the national stage unless they consolidate the top 18 players in 2009.
Championships breed success. Until MN decides to make legitimate pushes for national championships, our boys teams will continue to leave regions early.
Congratulatoins to SCV 16s on winning state cup. While it was an upset this year, they will be the favorite next year.
I am concerned about their ability to compete at regionals, but they did earn the right to represent MN so I will be cheering for them in Rockford. Realistically, they will probably go 0-3 at Regionals, even with a favorable draw. With an unfavorable draw they may not score a goal.
Anyone have a rundown of the overtime on for the U15 final last night?
St Croix didnt surprise many people who know the age group,I considered them the team to beat going in.They beat Shattuck 3 1,they are a quality team who probably lie at the lower end of the top third of regional champs
regional state champs that be!
Anon 9:38
Your basis for saying the U16 are better IS because they have more ODP Players that have made the Regional Pool. Well, that might be, if all the U17 players went out for ODP. I think you would find quite a few of the top players in the State do not go out for ODP for various reasons.
Then again, perhaps the reason for the U16 success at Regional ODP is that the competition they face from other states is not as high. I do not think what the AFC on their best day would even come close to what the Michigan Wolves have achieved. Point being, the basis of your reasoning is flawed. ODP is just ODP; it is broken, politically charged at both the State and Regional Level. At present a very poor indicator of talent.
Stop singing the Oscar Meyer song "my kid's better than your kid, my kid's better than yours" It's BORING and insulting to ALL the players on the field.
SCV 16s will be DESTROYED at regionals. The talent at the age group is far to spread out.
the talents in the U16 shows the extreme care and naturing these players have undergone through dedicated coaches and parents. It is a statement to the fact that when kids are trained from get go, they develop talent. if this talent is measured by ODP, so be it. If this talent is measured by regionals, so be it. We should close this door and let STC enjoy their victory and support them and not bash them. from now on STC is no longer representing STC, they are MN team and we should encourage that. they showed their talents and won the tournament. go st. croix
exactly,St Croix deserves our support at u16,they won the tournament and deservedly so.
From a SE supporter, good luck Stc. Don't listen to all the negative comments. No one ever lkes the team on top. Now you will have the bullseye on yur backs! You will be seeded since SE made it to semis last year. Take advatnage of that and the fact that the other teams don't know a lot about you.--that can definitely work to your advantage!
REpresent MN proud and enjoy this experience.
Can anyone who attended the U15 final comment on it? A surprising result to those who have followed this age group. Wish I could have seen it.
The U15 boys game was one where Edina bunkered in and defended basically challenging Bangu to score. Bangu never solved the bunkered in defense.
I don't know if Edina had a shot on goal in the entire match including the overtime. Most of the match was played in their end.
A Bangu player received his 2nd yellow with about 5 minutes? left in regulation and played entire OT with 10 players. Despite this they still dominated play but couldn't score.
Edina won on PKs.
Bangu couldn't finish. Edina not very dangerous offensively at all (SOG's and corners a huge Bangu advantage). Edina in PK's and congrats to them. The Edina team was a very solid group back in the U11, U12 days but did not earn premier status at U13. Played C1 at U13, won their premier status and are now State Cup champions. A good tale of hanging in there and not quitting.
I think its a bit of a stretch to congratulate a team for a win when they didn't generate one scoring chance and played the whole game in their own half. Winning on penalties is about as good as winning a coin toss. This happens at all levels - an average team can pack it in against a better team and play for penalties. The point is not just to GET to Regionals but to be successful there. You can't play for penalties Regionals, you have to get results.
welcome to minnesota soccer, bopper
Bangu & SE Supporters
Being a Sore losers and Arrogant is not an attractive trait, and you have taking it to an extremes of those behaviors. But it is also sad to say I think your behavior has rewarded your sons/players with the appropriate response. I am glad to know that your players don’t represent the whole of the U15 & U16 age groups. But instead you seem to represent a concentrated few.
Congratulations to U16 SCV (not STC) and U15 Edina, play hard, work harder and enjoy the experience regions, YOU HAVE EARNED IT. (unlike others)
anon 4:46,
Which "others" have not earned it?
Care to elaborate?
Do you think any of the teams who won State Cup had it handed to them on a silver platter?
Sounds to me like you know little about the sport to suggest other champions haven't "earned it".
I stated that I don't think scv will go far at regionals (like many MN teams) and I'm not a Bangu supporter... assumptions. Here we go again...
heard Bangu's coach at 15's may not have the team next year...any truth to this?
Anon 4:46, I hope you're not referring to me (I' m anon 6:18 am). did you think I was being arrogant by saying now you'll have the bullseye on your back? You will. The winner always does! I think the SE had previous success in regionals before because other teams didn't know alot about us. I also made a post awhile back saying look out for St. Croix! I acknowledge that your team is talented and I don't take anything away from your boys, they made it happen. i wish you success. At this point it's true what someone else said about representing MN now. So, i'm rooting for you to do well, somehting few people ever wished for for the SE.
Seeded at regionals? I don't think so. Unless things have changed. It is a random draw. Nice try SE parent still trying to call attention and accolades to yourself.
I have been at regionals the past 2 years and can tell you that non-SE parents were at your games, rooting your players on to victory. Your arrogance as a coach and parent group is why people didn't support specifically your coach or parent group.
I know the arrogance, the idoioticness of the coach and his crew should make them not beloing to MN. He should take his team to other states that tolerates this kinds of behavior. We want pristince good old surburb teams like STC to represent MN. I was happy when they lose. We were at regionals too and seeing that group they did not look like norwegians - I mean like a hockey team from up north - stc (good name) not SE will be just perfect even if they lose all games. we rather have our boys go than that group of kids.
Arrogance is usually a good quality in a coach (the old Herb Brooks story comes up again), but when coaches have to deal with parents, it causes friction. Especially when the parents think they know more than the coach - extra especially when the team loses.
I think ASE had their day in the sun, but circumstances with players changed this year and they came up short. I would not put it past them to come up with a good squad next year.
Best of luck to all teams in Regionals, and good luck rebuilding for the rest of the teams that fell short.
There are a lot of people posting in this thread at present who need some serious psychotherapy.
For the SE insider,
how many players did you lose from last season to this season?
looking back at posts here regarding u16.People made much about how one group was so much stronger than the other,wrong,Blackhawks won the group that was considered stronger and lost to the other group runner up Bangu.St Croix had to win in pks over Westside,the other group winner.Seems that the "weak group" was not.I think the real final was St Croix versus Westside as Westside was 3 wins in group and also "rested" players in the Bangu game.
Done and over with 10:33. Move on. Futbol can be a cruel sport sometimes.
MU 14s Jedi won State cup can they compete at regions?They have two prem teams at 14,could be a regional contender if they consolidate?
9:01 - no reason to consolidate as they are not balanced team. In theory, the Jedi have the top 16+ players.
hard to believe they have the top 16 players when the second team was pks away from the semis too.Jedis are a good team but not dominantly so,I think that the second team may have 3,4 to strenghten that first team
The best thing coming for this age group is US Dev Academy in 2010 through the Thunder. Bring the top players together from MU, Bangu, St Croix, and PSA, plus others, and we'll see some real soccer soon.
so bring them together and they'll play against who locally?
anon 6:37,
It's not about beating the local community club.
It's about competing with Chicago Magic, KC Legends, Scott Gallagher, Vardar, Wolves, PDA, Sereno and other top clubs across the USA.
Ever hear of those clubs?
that was my point,how does the local level get better if all the top players are on one team?Yes I have heard of those clubs.
The local level will get better on its own at their own pace. 90% of these kids won't play past HS, though they'll likely enjoy the game for many years as adults.
We're talking about dealing with the top level players here with USDA. So they can develop at their own pace and be more apt to reach their true potential.
Top boys talent will come to this program. MYSA is MANDATED by US Soccer to support this program. That's right, I said mandated. Boards and directors can complain all they want about loss of players to the Thunder's USDA program, but if that's the case, true selfishness and ignorance will be revealed.
I hope all clubs at this current U14 age group work to keep developing the players with them. I know they will. Come U16 tryouts next fall, it will be great to see the talent assembled. It will be a Thunder program that will take the work the CCs have done to this point with the players to the next needed level, following in the footsteps of other parts of the country.
Being a Bangu parent, I'd like to make some comments on the U15 championship game between Bangu and Edina.
1.The Bangu players probably came in overconfident. After beating a good Blackhawk team in the semis, they felt their biggest hurdle had been crossed.
2.Edina was surprisingly athletic, physical, and came into the game with a plan of attack that was effective.
3. Edina outplayed Bangu in the first half. While they did not have many shots on goal, the ones they did have were quality attempts.
4. Bangu asserted itself in the second half and the tide swung their way. Even playing app. 30 min a man down, most of the play was in their offensive half. They had numerous chances to score.
5. An earlier commenter faulted Edina for bunkering down defensively. What I saw was a team that had simply ran out of gas. Their conditioning was not on a par with Bangu and they were unable to mount the type of offensive surge that they had in the first half.
6. I can't finish this post without commenting on the play of Edina's keeper and their center midfield. Their performance was outstanding.
To sum up - Bangu did not lose this game, Edina won it fair and square. It was the best game I have seen all year. Best of luck to them in the regionals.
8:39, being a parent of a boy on the vanquished Blackhawks U15 team, I thank you for that account. I can't tell you how much I wish parents and players took advantage of a blog like this to write pieces like your's. Intelligent, objective posts like unfortunately are the exception here, while whiny, bitchy sniping predominates. The energy level that Bangu U15s came out against Blackhawks in the semis was astonishing. It is understandable that they might have had a bit of a let-down in the champ game, and Edina sounds like they had a disciplined performance. This dynamic plays out all the time at every level. Good for all the kids that they get to experience these lessons, whether the result on the day is good or bad. . . .
here we go again - parents are writing and whining while little johnny is admiring kobe and eating mcdonals. mom where is dad? hioney he is bitching at the other team for you not scoring the winning goal. but mom, when is my next lacross game? oops in two hours. let's go. btw son, what does fifa mean? it sounds childish, mom I don't know...
I think I speak for all when I say that the last comment was completely uncalled for. I wish some sort of maturity screening before people post ignorant messages.
Anyway, let's just ignore it. Back to topic! Of the teams that took home hardware at State Cup, which teams do you feel have the best chance to compete with other regional competition to advance out of pool play? Keeping in mind that the draws and brackets have yet to be released... I'm sure we'll have a better idea once we know schedules. Initial thoughts?
U13 - Bangu
U14 - MPLS United
U15 - Edina
U16 - St. Croix
U17 - Bangu
U18 - SSM
U19 - TBA
The SSM U18's have a well earned national reputation. They should be considered the favorite to win the Region II championship.
The Bangu U17 has developed into a very impressive team. They have participated (and performed well) in the MRL and tournaments drawing the nations top clubs. It would not be surprising to see them win their bracket and chanllange for the championship.
Additionally, it will be interesting to see how the St Croix U16 team performs. I only got to see them once in the State Cup and they looked good to me. Winning a couple of games in their bracket should be considered a good result.
The Bangu 17's and SSM 18's will be very competitive given their records in MRL play.
SSM 18's have advantage that they will not have to face top teams that have opted from USSF Academy.
My hunch is that the Bangu U19's will also fare well at Regions. They haven't won State Cup yet but are a virtual lock to repeat.
All other winners U13-U16 will each struggle to win a match.
The team who wins Illinois State 16s will be no stronger than St Croix,does that mean the Illinois champ doesnt belong?
St Croix will be competitive,if B'hawks or another team had of won State Cup people would be bragging them up.
St Croix parents, no need to defend your team on this blog. You're not going to get much credit here. Let your kids' game do the talking in Rockford.
Agree 7:12.
4:44, any parents from the other Minnesota U16 teams would be getting the same reaction on this blog. And your grammar needs help.
Let me see if I have this right? The only age group to be "weakened" by the Academy program is the U18s? And, SSM will do well at Regionals ONLY because the "good" teams have chosen the Academy system?
Then, I would assume that the other Minnesota U18 teams weren't really interested in the opportunity to play for a "cheapened" Region 2 Championship and a berth in the "cheapened" National Championships?
Get a grip, people. To keep the "haters" from high stress levels and such....here is some advice: get over the hatred. SSM is in MN to stay, and someday will compete for the Minnesota State Cup in more than just two age groups.
If you are a parent of one of the U18 teams which competed in State Cup....get over the anger. SSM won. Period. Get over it.
10:02 - before you get your knickers in a bigger twist, please keep in mind that the USSF Academy program only impacts U18 & U16, so the comments by 2:48 aren't that out of line. I have no malice against SSM and until your post never would have jumped to that conclusion. Me thinks you read too much into the post....
10:02,
I made the post about SSM 18's...it is in comparison to the U17s who go against all the best teams unlike the U16 and U18 age groups who have seen most of the top teams go to USSF.
It wasn't a knock on any team just that the USSF Academy has weakened the Region and National talent pool for USYS Championships.
Relax, take a deep breath and think before inserting foot in mouth again.
can someone please explain what the ussf academy is and how that is affecting USYS. I just need some backround on what the 2 groups are. Also, why is it only u-16 & 18's? Is this academy coming to Minnesota?
The USSF Academy was established to try to improve the top level of play and training for U16 and U18 boys. It is a spinoff of the Residential Academy in Bradenton that the heads of USSF feel has been a big success.
Top clubs across the US have applied and gained membership into the USSF Academy. Geography has limited acceptance of some clubs including all Minnesota clubs who have applied.
Rumor has it that Thungu and SSM will receive entry in 2009.
The boys teams in the USSF Academy play in a "national" league against other Academy teams and are not allowed to play in state run leagues, regional leagues, State Cup events or any other tournaments.
At this time only U16 & U18 boys teams are established but supposedly it will soon include U17 and possibly U15.
What kind of relationship does Faribault soccer have with SSM besdies being in the same town?
Does anyone know when the Regional draws come out?
Not until all the state cups end which is at least another 7-10 days. There have been some "interesting" state cup results which have occurred when a team realized they would have an easier draw if they qualified as an MRL team rather than a state champion. So now the draw is not released until state cups end.
June 10th
Anon 9:23
SSM I believe made a deal with FSC to register their teams under FSC. FSC does nothing and has nothing to do with the SSM team. They wear SSM uniforms, have SSM coaches, trainers, medical staff etc... This is purely a paper only team for FSC and a way for SSM to be able to compete in State Cup & Midwest League.
Any word on the 18's? I hear Valley United is supposed to be rather good (again) this year. But I also heard that Ramsey Premier added 4-5 strong players during the off season. How will the U18's fair against the U19's?
*yawn* Go away 12:04. We don't care about Ramsey.
when is there going to be a summer league blog going up?
There has been some discussion on this thread concerning the wealth of talent amongst the U16's. This past weekend I was fortunate enought to see the 91 and 92 ODP teams play a scrimmage game up in Coon Rapids.
After spending this spring watching some of the nation's top teams playing in the MRL and ranked tournaments, the fact is that the U16 ODP team can play with anybody. They are really a very talented group of young men.
91 ODP scrimmaged the U17 Bangu boys. 91's scored first but through some determined effort on the part of a short-handed U17 team (especially #7) the score ended up BGU 4 - 91's 2. The 91's did have a good direct attack but their defense was lacking at times. I think they were short players also.
As far as the U16 Boys...Yes, Yes, your son is great (sarcasm intended). Nevertheless, your continue post to bring attention to how great the age group is B-O-R-I-N-G! Unbelievably you do not have to continue to go on and on, stop looking for us all to gush all over how great they are. Good players just show us their good; others just talk a good game. I am beginning to suspect this "amazing age group" is not all that "amazing" but rather it is an age group with over zealous parents living precariously through their kids.
The age is legitimate - there is plenty of talent as evidenced by the weekend's training and performances. Not sure where the discussion started or where it is going, but the kids are good none the less.
91's vs. Bangu - 91's went up 2-0 and had the ball the entire first half (GK for Bangu was a '92, as their regular was gone)...then in the 2nd half things changed dramatically - not sure why, but something sparked Bangu to knock in four straight and take over the game. Remember Bangu has 3-4 of the 91's on their team - so that hurt the state team.
#7 for Bangu scored a great goal. I thought the #16 was the driving force behind the comeback (he scored twice - never seen him before)
It's good to see Bangu teams working with MYSA and ODP to provide scrimmage opportunities for the ODP teams.
This is the spirit of cooperation that will help improve the level of play across the state.
Kudos to the Bangu U17s and their coach.
it's good to see SE team working with MYSA and ODP to provide scrimmage opportunities for the ODP teams.
This is the spirit of cooperation that will help improve the level of play across the state.
Kudos to the AFC SE U16s and their coach.
oops forgot to mention this - my fault apologies to AFC mgmt
Congrats ASE AND Bangu for providing quality friendly games for the ODP teams.
The 91's were missing the bulk of the starting 11 with 4 or 5 Shattuck players gone..don't even begin to say those games are an accurate portrayal of Bangu and the MN 91 ODP team...
Who did? Somebody is feeling rather insecure. I didn't catch the game, but I'm sure it was a good one. It's games like these where the play should be the fun part to watch. Not the excuses from the losing side (especially if it's a scrimmage), nor the bashing of players/coaches/fans/officials.
Hey I guarantee if both the ODP team had it's full squad vs. the Bangu full squad, ODP would win and win with ease..
It would be very tough for either Bangu or ASC or ODP to have full squads considering there are players on those teams that are part of the ODP team.
But still should be good friendly's for both sides to get some quality work.
I think that there were a couple players gone who were on BOTH teams, plus the standout Bangu U17 keeper.
now that school is over, who is going on to play college soccer?
not you, 301
Standout keeper from Bangu is committed to Wisconsin.
he's nowhere near a standout keeper..
he's nowhere near a standout keeper..
The #16 for bangu u17 is actually a Norwegian player exchange student who is now gone. He actually is considered a U18 player but only played in tournaments for this team.
who are the top 11 players for 91's in MN?
GK-
LB-
LCB-
RCB-
RB-
LM-
LCM-
RCM-
RM-
S-
S-
GK- Keegan Gunderson
S-Ahmed Gobana
S-Spencer Duhaime
when you play for bangu, you are a standout. kid wwas a sitout with his other clubs. one season with bangu, he is a "standout"
I don't know the player being discussed but it seems he was "standout" enough for his team to go undefeated in MRL Premier division and also "standout" enough to win State Cup. He'll be playing at Regions later this month.
Any other "standout" GKs here in Minnesota have those items on their resume this year?
I won't hold my breath.....
U19 Finals:
PSA Girls 2 - St. Croix 1
Bangu Boys 2 - Maplebrook 0
Look for Edina to win the Classic Lake conference this year.
I don't think there is a classic lake conference anymore -
yeah you're right bangu's goalie is soo amazing..he should be on the national team and go to europe to sign with a club..
Bangu goalie has a GREAT defense in front of him. None of the other teams in the state have defense that can touch Bangu.
How many quality shots did he actually save? When he played for that other club last year with a mediocre defense how did he do? Umm...not so well. His success has a lot to do with the players in front of him.
Do you really think he is so amazing or is this the start of the media blitz for Mr. Soccer that his parents feel he is a shoe in for.
haha bangu goalie is a joke..the only reason why he is doing okay this year is because they have no shots against them..and there center back, reed adler, is really good and dominates..but the goalie really is pretty bad..and the 1:37 comment was sarcasm
anybody want to make any predictions for regionals........How will Minnesota do?
Um.... I do not think he would have replaced the former keeper for this team unless he brought something..
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