Wednesday, April 25, 2007

State Cup 2007

Alas, time to get back to this old blog.

Thought I should post a thread for State Cup chatter. Already there is controversy with schedules changing after the initial publication. Rumors abound of favouritism and unfairness...so what else is new. Most of us realize that 'MN Nice' is not a compliment...it refers to the “I'll be nice to your face, then seek to destroy you behind you back” behaviour (the old Scanda-houvia passive-aggressive thing.)

Good luck to all players, teams, coaches, referees, MYSA officials and parents (in that order.) I hope the competition is as exciting as the blog posts we will see.

Remember if you’re downright nasty, with no point, I will delete your post :>)

Happy Blogging!

193 comments:

Anonymous said...

What are your predictions for all boys age groups?

Anonymous said...

Girls
13 - Bangu
14 - Bangu
15 - Woodbury
16 - Bangu
17 - Bangu
18 - St Croix
19 - Bangu

Boys
13 - MUS
14 - Bangu
15 - Wings
16 - Bangu
17 - Wings
18 - Bangu
19 - Eagan

Anonymous said...

I would agree with the girls...except maybe U18 - BHK seem to have SCV number. Also the Wings team may have picked up some new players making them a force.

Boys would go as follows:

13 - SCV
14 - Bangu
15 - PDA, Wings or Bangu (toss up)
16 - Bangu
17 - Apple Valley
18 - Bangu
19 - Wings

I heard the 2nd MUS at U13 team may have picked up the top player in the state at U13 (new to the country) and will give some teams some trouble who don't have a big, fast, compentent defender.

Anonymous said...

I think the boys U15 goes hands down to Wings - no toss up. How can anyone think Bangu has a chance? I watched their new practice sessions and it is unbelievable.

The boys are doing things with ball not yet seen in other clubs.

Who is PDA by the way?
Bangu lost their big guy and so they are out.

Who won it last year?

Wings has a new coach and picked up some great players from other clubs. They did well in a CA tournament and with new DOC they are team to beat.

I like their new coach. He is a master at winning big games and has proven in the past he can win state cup.

The new DOC has has a formula for winning state cup inherited from Tennesee Lady Vols. I will tip my hat to Wings all the way.

Anonymous said...

Last yeat at U14 the Wings boys didn't manage a goal in either premier league game vs Bangu.
Doubt that much will change this year.

Anonymous said...

Wing U19 boys aren't even entered.

Anonymous said...

I would have to say that the PSA Boys U15 will win the State Cup. Wings might have picked up some good players, but they have also lost a few of their Main players. Most imporant a goal keeper and one of their best defenders. They didn't have much of a showing in California either. They got scored on 11 times and only scored 2 goal. in two games they got scored on 10 times. If they want to beat some of the teams in the State Cup they are going to have to do alot better than that. i think the PSA boys team has a much better chance.

Anonymous said...

Wings 15s picked up Khalid Tadnese (sp?) he is a 92 national pool player. They will be much improved...although they did get smoked out west this spring. I can't see how their new DOC could have a formula for winning games at state cup??? That is ridiculous.

Bangu did loose one of their top players but picked up 2 additional outstanding players that will pick up the slack and make them better. PSA (not PDA) picked up another region team caliber player and have a nation pool player on their roster as well.

Given the way the brackets stack up it looks like a Bangu and PSA in the final. Should be a great game.

Anonymous said...

Girls
13 - Bangu
14 - Bangu
15 - Woodbury
16 - Wings
17 - Bangu
18 - St Croix
19 - Dakota REV

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:52. Do you know something about the Dakota Rev U19 Girls? They play the better Bangu team in the play in game. The Bangu team has got to be a 3 or 4 goal favorite. Did a bunch of players move around at the age group?

Anonymous said...

let the silliness begin!!!

Anonymous said...

Cityslicker, I'm curious where you got your information? There is no Khalid of any kind or with any last name on any national or regional pool list for 91, 92, or 93. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but think maybe you have some misinformation? Comments?

Anonymous said...

Ataklia Khalid Tadese

He is a 92 and on the Region 2 team and has trained with the national pool.

Used to play on the Blackhawks 18s and rumored to have moved to the Wings 15s or 16s.

Anonymous said...

never thought about looking for a middle name!

Anonymous said...

Anon, do you really believe Wings will beat the Stars?

Anonymous said...

At U19 Dakota Rev has the 11 starters back from the team that won the premier league last year. They have added a few quality players that contacted them and asked to play for them. They did not play State Cup last year due to number issues early in the season. They did beat the State Cup winners twice 3-0 and 3-2 last year in league play.

None of the players have won the state cup in the past so they will be hungry.

The Stars only play for one thing and prepare for one thing and that is the State Cup and regionals. Would not suprise me if they get nervous and lose a close one kind of like St Croix have. Sooner or later the Stars have to lose in MN.

The sad part with the U16 age group is that they have two spots at regionals. However the two best teams on paper most likley will play eachother in the semi final. Don't undestand why MYSA don't seed teams through the whole tournament. A number one see and a number two seed should not have to play until a possible final. Especially when the second place team get to go to regionls as well.

Anonymous said...

And you don't think Tsunami Sota will be hungry after losing to their "sister squad" last year???

Anonymous said...

You would hope they be hungry. On the other hand they are used to beat Dakota REV so maybe they look passed them =)

Guess we find out on June 1.

Does anyone know what the two Bangu U19's are doing to get ready for State Cup? Maybe all three teams will actually play eachotehr in other tournaments before the first weekend in June.

Either way should be three great games between three competetive teams.

Anonymous said...

Boys U16 Bangu just lost in the Dallas Cup to the #4-5 team in the country 1-0.

Anonymous said...

Wings 16s girls have absolutely no chance against the Stars...none!

Anonymous said...

The Stars did loose state cup at U14. Even though they dominated the final they were unable to get it done....nerves or whatever, they have lost before at State Cup.

Anonymous said...

U16 Wings are not even the second stronest at U16 girls

Anonymous said...

Please take out kids names from this blog. It could be voilating kids privacy.

Anonymous said...

If anyone wins U16G other than Bangu it will be Woodbury.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Bangu U16s lost 7 - 0 to Kendall. Getting beat 1 - 0 by #5 Nationally may have been due to Texas High School Soccer ended on 30 March. Club teams have been on hold since 1 Jan due to HS. Any decent club coach will tell you it takes a few weeks to break those HS habits. Which Bangu U16 will show up today?

Anonymous said...

Kendall? I am not familiar with this team. Where is this information? Which U16 bangu team is this?

Anonymous said...

The Bangu team at Dallas Cup isn't the same team that will be playing in State Cup.
Several players are missing because they aren't on spring break and parents kept them in class.
They have some guest players from other clubs and playups from the U15 team to insure they had enough to go down to Dallas.

Anonymous said...

I'll agree that the Woodbury u16 girls team will likely make the finals, and end up at regions with the wild card. However, that is simply because they got a very favorable draw. Not only do they miss the Stars and EP and Wings in group play, but then they get to play a runner up in the semifinals.

However, to make the leap that they are the second best team in the state is just delusional. There is absolutely no evidence for that other than a parent's misguided dream.

Moreover, and I will happily eat my hat if I am wrong here, if they do make it to regions they will not even come close to making it out of group play.

Anonymous said...

Abboud, I heard you have launched a new website, true?!?! Please let us mere mortals know where to find it. :-)

I hope you know who this is based on the name tag...

Anonymous said...

I just looked at Dallas Cup website.
Bangu lost to CMB from the UK by a 3-2 score.
CMB beat Kendall 2-0. Hard to figure things out and sometimes they just don't add up.

Anonymous said...

while we all look at results for answers to some degree or another, results do not, independent from each other, tell the full story. when you see what we see in the U16B group at Dallas Cup, it is pretty clear that all teams involved have a good measure of quality, though the Nomads team clearly shows that it can get results in this event, too, having beaten last year's winners in group play.

Anonymous said...

That is what makes soccer such a great sport. You don't need the best players. You need the best team. On top of that you need the team to show up. Rankings and previous results does not mather. Have a feeling that State Cup may prove this as well.

Anonymous said...

centerwinger, I think Abboud's site is a blog about his team. Some may be interested some not. Another Bangu guy, Andy Kaasa, has started a blog as well. I personally think it is good for the MN soccer scene to have coaches like this make their thoughts public. Love to see a cc coaching director start one about the trials and tribulations of working in that type of system. Actally, I'm betting something like this follows in the near future.

Anonymous said...

I agree fleet, I for one wouldn't mind a glimpse into the mind of some of these coaches. I checked out AK's site, where is MA's?

It would be great if other MN soccer people would also find the time to blog about their experiences, Magee as head coach of the Thunder comes to mind, Barker, Storlien, Bellis, or Sanchez as well. However, I think most people are in a position in which it would be difficult for them to make their true thoughts public as these could ruffle feathers of their employers. MA seems to have no fear, maybe others will follow suit.

No offense to mnfutbol and the others who currently have blogs out there, but it would be refreshing to hear commentary that has nothing to deal with my kid is better than your kid. Maybe MA's is my team is better than your team, but I guess we'll find out (if someone can tell me where his site is).

Anonymous said...

Minnesota....land of 10,000 youth soccer blogs

Anonymous said...

Most coaches have better things to do than start their own blog.

Anonymous said...

Sure do, like look after themselves and their own interests instead of taking the time to help the game develop in our area. Obviously one of the coaches mentioned above must have rubbed you the wrong way.

Anonymous said...

Checked out AK's blog good initiative. If MA has one as well please let me know where to find it.

Anonymous said...

anti-gu, I mean blog-gu, I don't necessarily think it's a matter of other coaches having better things to do as what these two coach-bloggers in question (assuming MA’s site is something similar) are trying to do is help grow the game as a whole in this area. I think it's more along the lines that there are not many coaches in the area that have the time to attempt something like this. I'm sure word-soc, nfc, and mnfutbol, and even Tomass (haha) can attest to the amount of work that goes into monitoring and updating a effort like this. IMO, if people can look past the club affiliation I think they'll see that additional blog sites like the one's springing up are as a whole beneficial to Minnesota soccer. We don't need more sites for disgruntled parents to post on. We need more insight into the minds of coaches who have had some success and who have lots of experience. Like most things Bangu these days, I think these blogs will foster unforetold reactions from other clubs, and coaches and directors will follow with their own versions along these same lines in order to stay "competitive" with Bangu. This should all work to help the game develop here in our area.

gosportslife.com is AK's site. I don't know MA's site. Still waiting for that info but I'm sure it will be something that once again opens the floodgates for negativity on the part of many people. I know WH at EP also has a site out there.

tomASS said...

haha - my posting is mild to what it takes to run one of these sites. I truly spend no more than 15-20 minutes a day
1) because I don't type with two fingers (sorry ems)
2) I don't read at a sixth grade level (maybe a low seventh grade level)
3) have a home office and sometimes need to kill time on boring conference calls from China when half the discussion is in Chineses - probably talking about how to screw the whilo on the other end of the line (little do they know I podcast the discussions and have my friend interpret the chinese discussion for me)
4) also not sitting on a soccer board for the past year and only doing coaching has freed up a ton of time

Anonymous said...

Isn't MA the author of the current Girl's Blog? I thought that was common knowlege?

Anonymous said...

I enjoy reading the banter on these sites and I want to let people know what the purpose is of my website www.gosportslife.com

It is a place for players, coaches, and parents to come and read about different stories that I have found interesting. I love to read about people, the events that they have gone through, and how they reacted to the situations.

I will also be interviewing different coaches and players to get their thoughts on many different topics dealing with youth sports. I just posted my interview with Jennifer McElmury. She is one of the best players and coaches to ever come out of Minnesota and an extremely nice person. (Interviews to come include: John Harrington-1980 Gold Medal Winner, Greg Wheaton- Former MN Thunder player and Northwestern Men's Head Coach, plus many more.)

I also like to read and hear about how Minnesota teams are doing. Just reading the scores of games and speculating about what happened isn't much fun for me. So I have started to contact teams that go to tournaments and I've asked them to have someone do a write up of each game. It is very rare that soccer gets any space in the local sports sections so I am hoping that more people will want to be reporters and they will contact me with their team’s stories and the Tournament Section on the Website will be a fun place for people to see how teams are progressing.

Will these reports be biased? Of course. So if you'd like to make sure the full story of how the game really went you can go to the tournaments yourself and give me your version of the story. It would be fun to get two reporters at a game who cheer for different teams. Like the Chicago writers vs Minnesota writers when they are reporting the White Sox vs. Twins games.

I hope people find the site both interesting and useful. I would like to expand the site into more sports in the future because the basic theme of the website applies to all sports and life outside of sports. If you have any stories or info that you think would help people please let me know so I can put it up on the site.

Anonymous said...

Abboud - to the best of my knowledge - does not run the other girls blog.

AK, what is Abboud's new site???? Inquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous said...

monticello will win u16 boys

Anonymous said...

For the U16 Boys there are some real sleepers..I know that Monticello picked up a new player and is supposed to be pretty good, also a major sleeper in Rochester..the rochU16 C1 team will be at as close to full health as ever since two years ago and look for the three ODP players on their team to do well..Bangu is almost a given to win this age group though, there talent plus experience is something most teams don't find regularly..Champlin should be very tough, as they are a very physical and athletic team but could be worked by a quick passing team..This probably is one of the best age groups Minnesota has had in a long time..

Anonymous said...

I agree that Bangu has the outright shot to win in U16 boys but look for the sleepers like you said...should be a tough age group!

Anonymous said...

I have seen Montecello U16B play this winter and they will not make it out of there bracket. (unless CDA decides to drop out)

Anonymous said...

Bangu u16s are one of the best soccer teams in the state for all age groups. Unless they decide to not play come time to state cup there wont be a chance of them losing this tournament. Monticello...you must be kidding me.

Anonymous said...

centerwinger, left the same message at the other site. Email me at mabboud@bangutsunami.com for the info

Anonymous said...

Monticello is just a sleeper but they have a chance to get the wild card..and you never know what could happen then..i just remember last year U17 Boys Rochester got the wildcard took Bangu(#20 in the nation at that time)to overtime 1-1 and then lost momentum when one of their best players got hurt..anything could happen, but your right CDA is the favorite in the A bracket unless something very unusual happens..but like I said- this age group has lots of sleepers that could do some damage!!!

Anonymous said...

Well there might be some sleepers Monticello will do nothing..they might not win a game, better yet, lose to Rochester..

Anonymous said...

Who are the Monticello "stars"? Does anyone know the players? Did CDA pick up any players? Who has Bangu got this year? It was an interesting final between those two last year.

Anonymous said...

CDA is a very well coached team. G. Pugh has done a lot with all of the teams he is involved with.
I think that the brackets should be interesting. Have Wings picked up any new players? Bangu?

Anonymous said...

Who else is GP involved with? Does CDA have another good team? Who is the coach for U16 Bangu boys? Any good? I have been watching the U12 Minn Utd team, they have some nice players...

Anonymous said...

GP I think is now the Player Development Director for Centenniel. Coaches Moundsview High School, and trains probably another four or five teams on and off during the year. He's been involved with the U17 Ramsey River Rats, U17 Champlin Rebels, U15 Maplebrook Girls team and probably a couple of more beside those. Buzy guy.

Bangu picked up Wings forward Ryan MacArthur and a Defender from the WBL team, and I have not heard of any others but they play their cards pretty close to their chest.

Monticello picked up a forward and midfielder from CDA and a couple of unknowns.

Edina got there goalie and midfielder back from Bangu and a different coach.

Wings pick up a defender and new coach.

I heard CDA pick up two kids from the Wings C1, a player from the kickers and two unknowns. Basically, five unknown players.

EP- Just got back from England & is playing in the MWL, so they will be at the top of their game. They are solid and I know last year they were all EP residents, I do not think Wayne will change that too much.

This group definitely has a death pool in Group C, between Wings, EP and Edina. Whoever comes out of this pool will be beat up a bit. Given that, Bangu & CDA will come out of pool play health. However, as Monticello "stars" alluded to the Wild Card team will be from Pools A or B, the death pool will not advance any to semi, which is unfortunate. The Minneapolis team should be interesting to see also, I wouldn't be surprised if they have some hidden talent.

Anonymous said...

How can a team like Mpls Utd even have a berth in the State Cup? Where were they last year?

Anonymous said...

they were c2 last year...Rochester will beat them, especially with all their players back and some new kids..I heard they have a couple outof state kids so they should be an interesting team..

Anonymous said...

little asian kid up top very fast and skilled also has a cannon of a shot, and 2 mexican midfielders also very talented on mpls united are very good. If rochester cant stop them they will destory that team.

Anonymous said...

Left Field:
The players that Monti picked up from CDA did not make CDA so they tried out at Monti.

Anonymous said...

Max
Any level team can play in State Cup.

Anonymous said...

u16 boys- rochester, monticello, whitebear lake, eagan, lakeville, blackhawks, MU...you got to be kidding right why would you even go out for state cup leave it to the premier teams like bangu, champlin, and wings no chance at all any of those teams win a single game jeezgo back to c1... on another note i heard bangu picked up a new player that plays forward black, fast, and skilled any word??

Anonymous said...

Max
Any level team can play in State Cup.


WOW you must play c1 your joking right

Anonymous said...

State Cup is an open tournament...even C3 teams are eligible.
I have no problem with a team who aspires to play at the top level entering State Cup.
This may be the best way for a coach and team gauge where they stand against the top competition in the state.
If I was the coach of such a team I would inform the players and parents up front that this isn't an event where we expect to win but is a barometer of where we are today and where we want to be 1 or 2 years from now.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 6:06
I think any team that looks past those teams will be setting themselves up for a fall. CDA, as a C1 team in this same age group made it to the semi 2 years ago and as a 1yr premier team made it to the finals.

The greatest thing about state cup is that the competition is tough, and it is only an indication of who the better team is that day. If any of these teams do not show up to play, they can and will lose. That why after the State Cup there will be many post saying this team not the best team, and (insert Wings, Bangu, Valley United, Eden Prairie, and so on and so on) team is really the best team in the State.

Anonymous 8:15
I do not why or how the two players from CDA went to Monticello's team; I just saw them at the Tonka dome playing with Monticello. The tall defender who played for the Kickers last year is also playing with them. Noticed the CDA kids, one was up top and the other an outside mid. In fact, I thought it was the CDA team. The kid up top played a lot for CDA last year, and the midfielder has been involved in ODP and is a solid player. It is kind of like the two players from Bangu that went back to Edina, were they cut from Bangu or did they move back to there former team? Does it really matter?

Anonymous said...

But who decides who plays? If the team is really C3 then they are just wasting everyones time, refs and coaches and MYSA staff.

Anonymous said...

In the U16 Boys age group the premier teams are at major fault if they think they'll just blow by these C1 teams...They'll definitely have a rude awakening when the time comes...Especially for this age group where the premier teams fluxuate every year and teams are gaining and losing players! So this year it's an entirely new age group considering all the player changes, as a coach, I think it will be a very, very competitive group where I wouldn't be surprised to see a C1 team win a couple of games..

Anonymous said...

In the u15 bracket, psa should be the favorite. Last year champ and just added a national team player.

Anonymous said...

psa U15 clear up their off-field problems with this team??

Anonymous said...

PSA will win, but what boggles my mind is all this jabber about the U16 bracket..yes they probably are the best age group in Minnesota, but for these people to think the premier teams will blow by the C1's is incredible..

Anonymous said...

Leave the noise to Bangu and Wings. thier issues should be of important to MN soccer not other teams. who cares about psa and their one good team?

Anonymous said...

maybe the team and club does anon 206?

Norm asks a good question, there was a lot of off-field problems with the management of the psa team. Now there is quiet

Anonymous said...

I read this but never write in. I've noticed how everyone is an "expert on everything." Earlier in this blog, cityslicker and mn futbol threw out comments about players moving from team to team and some info wasn't accurate either. Be interested, but don't write comments without completely researching the facts. Regarding the PSA team: Funny how everyone outside of that team talks about off field problems, blah, blah,blah. Some people love to stir up the pot, especially when a relatively newer team has some success. Who cares if and what the alleged "problems" were? Comments like cliff 2:13 are made by people who aren't happy unless they're criticizing someone...What exactly is the point of putting out such negativity anyway? Why not focus on the fact that there's a great group of talented kids who really enjoy and care about each other like brothers?

Anonymous said...

Personnel, I do not pay attentions to those types of comments, as they seem to be a desperate cry for attention. (Bad attention, is still attention) (Insert appropriate club name here) misfortunes, problems, and or personnel conflicts are really all beside the point when the boys/girls walk out on to the field. Unless, the implication is that something shady going on and players are not eligible to be on the field???? Whoops, darn that is a slipper slope. I thought this thread was more about what are the team/games to watch. In that vein,
Bangu vs. Bangu Girls teams will be fun to watch
U17 boys Death pool group B
U17 girls Group A & finals
U16 girl’s games in general should be a lot of fun to watch.
U16 boy’s games – group c, should be interesting and the semi & finals.
U15 boys games- I do not know if I see anyone challenging PSA as of yet, give the other teams a few years to catch up with PSA maturity.
U15 girls games Bangu to win pool play to watch Group B
U14 boys Group B and then semis
U14 girls Bangu
U18 boys Wings Vs Maplebrook in pool play
U18 girls (yawn) Bangu
U19 boys boring
U19 girls boring

Anonymous said...

u16 boys group c-only one team will come out of that, the wild card will most likely come from A or B, but C has the most overall good teams..

Anonymous said...

U16 boys semi's
Wings vs Champlin
Bangu vs EP

what you guys think?

Anonymous said...

It is winner of the "C" group is playing Champlin. I don't know if I think any of those three teams is favorite. I can easily see the three teams mentioned in the "C" group each having a loss, a tie, and two wins. With the team advance on goal differential. But Bangu will end up Monticello or Blackhawks. Athough I don't know much about any of the other teams in those groups. Some here are saying Rocherster hasa good teams? Should be fun to watch.

Anonymous said...

Yea wildcard will go to rochester or monticello should be very interesting..

Anonymous said...

i saw bangu play in some scrimmages this winter and they do not look to be very strong this year at all..they give the ball away a lot and they could give up a lot of goals. i saw monticello, wings, and champlin will stick with them, if not beat them badly..

Anonymous said...

monticello will win the u16 boys age group..hands down

Anonymous said...

Anybody see how the Midwest league games went today?

Anonymous said...

Umm Monticello will not win the age group hands down, if they even get a chance at the semi-finals which they won't..

Anonymous said...

If Champlin beats Bangu badly it will only be because if Bangu is down 4-5 players on the field due to red cards...otherwise not a chance.

Anonymous said...

Bangu u15's lost to Valley United 3-0. Wow.

Anonymous said...

champlin has bangu beat at every position on the field...they will beat bangu 3-0 cause bangu's goalie sucks..

Anonymous said...

bangu sucks....period

Anonymous said...

Yea they suck, i mean they only won more state cup championships than any other club..but they're bad..

Anonymous said...

wow, this is the first time i have read this blog in a long time and its terrible.the u16's are absolutley horrendous not even CLOSE to the most talent in the state SEE u17's. please tell me someone has some intelligent thoughts on this

Anonymous said...

Aren't the Apple Valley Juventus probably the most talented u17 boys group? They're playing in the Premier Division of Midwest League(which by the way, they played their first game today and beat Vardar 1-0). I think they're pretty set to win State Cup.

Anonymous said...

So in the u15 bangu vs valley game, did valley have a really good game or did bangu have a really bad game, or both?

Anonymous said...

The 16 boys are not the best age group in MN. The 18 boys have by far the most ODP regional players between the 88s and 89s of any age group. They also have the 2 boys teams that have had the most success out of state with Bangu and Wings (Wings having a little more, but both very respectible.)

Anonymous said...

The Bangu-Valley game was one of those games if you watched you would think Bangu was winning easily.
Bangu possessed the ball about 80% of the match and Valley played boot ball trying to get the ball over the top.
Valley scored in 1st half on one of the few times they had ball in Bangu's end. They scored on a scrum in the box. Bangu had 2-3 good scoring chances in 1st half but didn't finish.
Valley's 2nd goal came on a free kick after Bangu was down a man on a questionable red card called near the half line. The ref deemed it a breakaway...but at the 50?
3rd goal came late on a PK.
Sometimes the soccer gods smile on you...they smiled on Valley in this match.

Anonymous said...

I guess I put the comments about the U16 boys being the most talent group in the state as a parent comment. But I do think the U16 boys group will be the most interesting group in the state to watch. There are easily four teams that could win the State Cup.

Bangu- the favorite with with lots of talent but a history of underperforming.

Wings-generally right in the thick of things but lost players and coach in the off season.

Eden Prairie- Again always right in the thick of things. Great coach, Good program and playing in England over Easter had to help. Playing in the Midwest League for the first time, should also be to their benefit.

Champlin - Last years surprise team, Good Coach, physical team, now comes the tough part can they repeat and improve on last years performance now that everyone looking for them?

The U18 have really maybe three competitive teams.
Wings - Great coach, awsome talent and proven track record.
Maplebrook - tough coach, at U16 this team pulled off the upset and beat the Wings can they do it again?
Bangu- Can they pull it together? I think they have a new coach also???

U17 Boys
Again this is a fun age group as their is a lot of talent spread out.
Wings- In the thick of things with a great coach.
Eden Prairie- Last years State Cup winner well coach team.
Valley- Awsome talent, good coach. Should perform well but they seem to have problems pulling it together in big matches.

I would like to think that Minnesota is improving its talent pool and getting better coaches. But I not sure things have change all that much from 5 years ago, just the names and the faces are different. But it does make for cheap fun soccer to watch.

The weather plays a significant factor in the competitiveness of our teams in the Midwest League. When you play teams from KY, KS, IL & MO, who are in month two while we are hoping to get out on a field once or twice hinder us significantly.

IMHO I think more teams will go Super Y in Minnesota. The MWL is a great warm up for the State Cup but for us to be truely competitive I think the Super Y maybe our best bet as a state.

Anonymous said...

For this years 18s, 2 years ago at 16s, Maplebrook pulled off an upset against Bangu in the State Cup final (not Wings). Bangu beat the Wings in the semis that year. Last year the Wings upset Bangu in the final. Bangu is the only team in the age group that was in the final the past 2 year. The question is, can they actually win a final? Anyone know if they have a new coach?

I think you are really stretching it saying the Wings 17s have a great coach. The accent is great, but his ability to actually coach and make game adjustments is poor. Anyone who has been around MN soccer for a while knows his reputation.

The 16s Champlin team certainly benefited from a coach who was able to get the most of his players. The down side is that they really are not a very good team and play ugly compared to the others at the age group. It shows you what an outstanding coach can do with mediocre talent. They played an agressive and physical game which servered their player's profile. I don't think it will serve them as well this year and I predict they will advance with the wildcard and loose in the semis.

One of the most exciting things about the boys 16s, 17s and 18s is that many players catch up physically and can defend some of the more technically gifted players who in previous years were able to exploit physical weakness. There always seem to be lots of upsets at the age groups. Expecially 17s and 18s. If one of the middle-pack teams pulls off an upset in group play, one of the favorites could end up not making the semis.

I don't think many people would argue your point about the level rising over the past 10 years. I think it is somewhat due to a few clubs really pushing the competative side of the game (Wings, Bangu, St. Croix and more recently Eden Prairie). I would say that top two overall clubs have to be Bangu and Eden Prairie at this point as they are strong on both the boys and girls side. That said, you have to give props to the previous St. Croix 85s (Gotsmenoff, Obrien, etc.), Bangu 84s? (Galinkski, Wexler, etc.) and Blackhawks 80s? (Sanneh, Magee, Lagos, etc.) as they were probably the 3 best boys teams to ever come out of MN. The girls side is a no brainer with the Bangu Sota 86s? who went to nationls 2 times.

I did a little digging into the Minneapolis United teams at U13. The Jedi and Wildcats are both pretty competative. The Jedi are definately stronger and should compete for the state cup championship. This age group was the first strong group pulled togehter 3 or 4 years ago when MU went into rebuilding. I also heard that they are suffering with some coaching and parent issues with the top team.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about the U18, your right, I think I watch a semi's thinking it was a finals and always get that year confused. It is fun group to watch thou, and I have seen some very intense games. .

I’ve read these blogs for a while and kind of feel bad for the Champlin team. It seems like everyone’s opinion is they are a bunch of over achieving hacks. Is that really the case or do they threaten the BIG club mentality that only the Bangu, Wings & Eden Prairie can achieve.

Anonymous said...

Most non CDA people would probably think their style of play is ugly and they rely on grabbing, clutching, and marginally cheap play to win. To top it off, their parent group doesn't seem to understand the game and consistenly yell ridiculous comments to players from both teams and the other teams parents.

I think that most people look at competative youth soccer players/teams based on how they will do at the next level. CDA has few players that will be able to compete at the next level. But give them credit that they have found a way to grind out wins.

I agree with the previous anon that they will probably drop down a bit to the 5, 6 or 7 team at the age group this year. The previous comment about the players they lost were due to cuts was not true. They left looking for something better/different.

Anonymous said...

Icfan
Really??? You know these kids or some on the team??? They didn't like the coach???? They wanted more playing time???? Come on man, give us the dirt. It sounds like you know what it is. Do you have information on any other teams?

Anonymous said...

lcfan
Sounds like you may be one of those players. I know the coach very well and they were "replaced". They did tryout.
Unless you know something??

Anonymous said...

I do not understand why Wings would play a kid that had a red card in Indy. in the first Midwest game. Does that mean that the new coach will continue to break rules? That tells me alot about the new coach for that team.

Anonymous said...

Nope, not one of those players or parents of those players. But I do know one of the parents well. Sorry, no dirt. They were just looking for something different. Why do you people insist on trying to trash former clubs, coaches and teams? They simply left because they were not happy with their current situation. End of story.

Anonymous said...

Early boys MRL results - are they indications for state cup performance?

Valley United U16: win over Bangu

Bangu U16: loss to Valley win versus Wings

Champlin U16: 0 wins 3 losses

Valley United U17: win over last year Region 2 runner up Vardar

Wings U18: 0 wins 3 losses

Anonymous said...

LOL...justthefacts...you are referencing the 15's. The 16's start this weekend.

Anonymous said...

At least for your first entry.. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Icfan
"Why do you people insist on trying to trash former clubs, coaches and teams? " Well, you did spare the coach, but didn't seem to have any problem trashing everyone else.

There parents yell riduculous comments--- I not sure if CDA has cornered on that market. In fact I think your comments prove that point.

As far as the players from CDA leaving, your obviously only trying to stir the pot. So you know one of the players parents well, please let then know about your comments. I doubt they will thank you. I pretty sure you don't know any of them well, but it sounded good huh.

Anonymous said...

Anon you have no credibility. Why are you using Anon. Funny how a few people in these blogs like to make things up about people "making things up" when they disagree (see ems). It is clear that you are a CDA team parent defending your son...which you certainly have the right to do. If you think your coach will always tell you the whole story about kids who leave the team, you are sadly mistaken. Their job is to put the best face on for the players and parents (I do the same with my teams). My parent contacts did not saying anything about trying out or not trying out. Nor did they trash the coach or players (although they had a few words about the parent group...who knows you could be one of them?) They saidthey were looking for a different/better soccer experience and left the team. So I think your ego can stay in tact, although you may strain your neck trying to hold your gigantic head upright.

My comments were not mean spirited. They are paraphrased comments from discussions about the team's style of play from an ODP coach I stood next to while watching them at State Cup last year. He did really like 1 or 2 players on your team. You are correct, CDA does not have the market cornered on obnoxious parents (see Bangu, Wings, EP, and many others.) But screaming thing like "take him out", "kick him back", "boot it" and bitching at the ref about not calling offsides because a player got behind the defense with the ball are just idiodic.

You may want to spend less time messing around on this blog and scheduling additional training sessions for your son's team...didn't do so well against marginal competition this past weekend did they?

tomASS said...

LOL - applauding lcfan

Anonymous said...

Icfan,
You trash and team and complain that someone sign anonymous, while we all know who you are, Icfan. Given that the only brave soul out here is Tomass. :)

You don't actually have an orginal thought but repeat an overheard conversation. Lets be honest if you coach it is not competitive soccer. Your a parent with a horse in the race too.

Worse yet, this is boring. On the girls side of things, who do you think will be in the finals of U16 girls. I heard that age group has a wild card draw?

Anonymous said...

Not overheard conversation, had the conversation. I am also a former ODP coach...but that in itself does not mean that I know anymore than other coaches. I am not trying to say that I have to be right, only sharing my opinion and conversing with others. You like others like to attack people when you disagree...try making a valid point instead...something like "I disagree, I think team XYZ does this, that and the other" not "stop attacking and hating."

I can sense the parents, like you and anon, posting under multiple names, trying to build momentum for their cause...building their own egos through the accomplishments of their kids. While I don't really feel the need to defend myself or my opinions again those in left field or rabid anon parents, I have a really hard time taking darts from knuckleheads like Anon. Glad to see you came to his (or your own) rescue. I no longer have a horse in the game but I used to have both a boy and girl playing in the MYSA club and ODP system. Saw the good, the bad and the ugly.

Anonymous said...

Forgot, your olive branch, thank you...my opinion on girls U16s

Champs: Bangu Stars
Runner-up and Wildcard: Woodbury

Anonymous said...

Wildcard for u16 boys?

I'm guessing one of the following: Rochester, Monticello, Eden Prairie or Wings... Group C has the potential to get a wildcard but group A has even more.. Group B is dominated by Bangu...

Anonymous said...

I think lefty meant the regional wildcard that the U16 girls from MN will recieve. The runner up team from the MN state cup gets to go to regionals.

Do the boys also have a wildcard to regionals at 16?

Anonymous said...

Anon, Lcfan, Leftfield and Tomass:

OK, some valid points here, but getting a bit off topics. Please refrain from the personal attacks and stick to the topic.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

They really screwed up the 16 girls brackets. Last years two finalists Wings & Bangu, potentially meet in the semis this year.
If I was the Wings team I'd be really upset considering that our U16 age group does get a wild card to regions this year.

tomASS said...

mnfutbol - (with hands in the air) WHAT?!
your carding the wrong player based on reputation.

Don't make me put Boogaard on the ice ...oh wrong sport ...sorry

Anonymous said...

U16 boys: Who will make the semis?

Anonymous said...

outside looking in -

Even at this level of play the team player change over is large enough to have an impact. As I look at the premier leaugue results from last year I think your complaint about the U16 girls is not valid. I understand as a Wings parent you could get your undies in a bundle about this but just about any of the U16 premier teams could take the wild card. Try to view things objectively.

Anonymous said...

The other possibility is that the Bangu 16 girls qualify thru MRL (as they did last year) and do not make it to finals of State Cup. We could have 3 teams at regionals if that happens.

Anonymous said...

U16 Boys are easily one of the overall most talented age groups Minnesota has seen... If you look at it we have had two kids on the national team and one already is in the MLS... So for people to say the U16 age group is weak or not even close to talented-you've got to be kidding me!

This state cup will be huge because there have been soo many player changes throughout this past winter and I hope they get some respect from everyone over the next couple months...

Anonymous said...

Tomass - I've removed your name from the game report and the card won't get you in any trouble! Sorry, I just saw your brief 'LOL' comment and jumped to conclusions without reading back an seeing where you jumped in.

tomASS said...

reputation and perception - just like the old days on the pitch. Noted with thanks mnfutbol (whew now I can pick up a legitimate one later without being thrown out)

koolaidmom said...

Oh sure he gets a "get out of Red Card Free" card just because he didn't get caught...lol. Hey could we have a new thread on Tournaments in the local area...which are traditionally good, which are growing, which have issues...etc?

Anonymous said...

I added a post on tournaments. Also added a Midwest Regional League post.

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone is disrespecting the U16 boys age group. It may have a number of standout players (Abdus never played at the age group) but it is not very deep. Certainly some very highly skilled and capable players, but I would say average overall. No disrepect meant.

koolaidmom said...

For those of you intersted the exit/overpass for Hanson Blvd in Coon Rapids is no longer there, they are completely rebuilding it. So getting to State Cup could be tricky this year.

Anonymous said...

Some helpful information regarding the roads to CR Soccer Complex, from a long time resident.

Coming from the south on 610 exit East River Rd, turn left onto East River Rd for about 3 or 4 miles turn right on Hanson Blvd. 111th will be about 1/2 mile on the right.

Coming from south on Hwy 10, exit Foley Blvd, turn left on to Foley. Go about 1/2 mile turn left on to Egret Blvd. This will take you back over Hwy 10, turn right at the first stop light, this will bring you thru a neighborhood and by City Hall. Turn left at any of the next two stop signs and you will see the soccer complex from there.

From the North on Hwy 10, exit Hwy 242 or Main Street turn left onto main street (toward Menards). Turn left at the first Stop Light in front of Great Land Target onto Northdale Blvd. Follow Northdale Blvd for about 2 miles, this will bring past the CR High School turn right onto Hanson Blvd. 111th will be on your left about 1/2 mile up the road.

At Hanson & Northdale Blvd you will also find Subway, Caribou, Cub, Burger King and Super America.

At Hwy 242/Main Street is a large retail area with lots of different resteraunts and stores.

Also parking is always a issue at the Soccer Complex, so car pooling is advisable.

Anonymous said...

ODP is all politics! I know so many players that are stronger, faster, have better skills than a lot of the ODP players yet because they made it when they were 12 they are on it forever........

Anonymous said...

I agree, but no one could say the ODP players are not skilled! The ODP players are very skilled it's just there are better players but because they didn't try out when they were younger, can't make the team now..coaches don't understand it's ruining these kids credentials when they get all-conference, MVP, all-state, etc...BUT they somehow can't make the ODP team... it's absolutely ridiculous!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, there no politics in high school sports it is all just about the best players. Oh yeah, and high school coaches of course they are superior to the ODP coaches. (Sarcasm) Both ODP and High School Soccer have their flaws and warts stop whining.

Besides what does this have to do with State Cup?

Anonymous said...

Stop whining?

What are college coaches to think if there is a two time all-state player, but that kid can't make the ODP team?
First thing you think is-Minnesota soccer is very weak!

Anonymous said...

the coaches that we have been in contact with actualy put very little stock in what the kids do in high school soccer. they are much more interested in grades and their club team, as that is when most of the coaches come to see the kids play, although all state might put them on their radar.

Anonymous said...

anyone who thinks a c1 team has even close of a chance to win is absolutlely clueless!
u have not seen premier teams and c1 teams will get killed

and u16 bangu has no chance of losing state cup
theyve lost there top 2 forwards from last year and yet they are still going to dominate
enough said

Anonymous said...

the people who are saying their c1 team is going to win should post the results of their games
...please do it

Anonymous said...

Depends totally on what coach..Different coaches do different things:
Many coaches regard ODP in high honor and base their recruiting solely on that.
While many other coaches put no regard to ODP and think that it doesn't truly matter.

Anonymous said...

Ok, here is the deal with the 18 girls bracket, svc will win, end of story. The last two years when blackhawks won were ridiculous. They had girls faking injury like 10 year olds to waste time and get a breather, because svc was making them chase the whole game. Svc got very unfortunate, hit a few posts and got jobbed by refs, this year they will beat whoever they play in the finals, refrase, they will embarrass them. May I remind u all that the coach of blackhawks two years ago when they were faking injury and stalling was none other than Amus Mcgee, a joke as the Thunder head coach!

Anonymous said...

Monticello 16 boys= regional champions

Anonymous said...

Aren't they 0-4 in the MRL an -18 goal differential. They aren't even in the premier group for MRL. How will they win regionals?

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:45, i agre with you that SCV is the favorite but they were the last two years and are yet to win the title. The team everyone is forgetting is PSA, they took SCV to OT last year and could have won in regulation, they have great goaltending, are very athletic and added several very good players to the team. Blackhawks are done and stand no chance but I would be willing to take a chance on PSA, I have seen them play several times, they could and I believe will beat SCV.

Anonymous said...

odp is on its way to becoming a non factor in the state the region and the country

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Anonymous said...

anon 8:45
Sounds like you're a little upset Amos outcoached your kid's team a few times...heh heh

Anonymous said...

u17 boys woodbury premeire team... heard lots of good things. anyone know anything?

Anonymous said...

woodbury 17 lost to bangu 16's in a scrimmage 1-2

Anonymous said...

woodbury 17s have been in the semis the last two years, have lost to wings both times, in a shoot out and in overtime, they have picked up some good players too, they will be a force, they are a dangerous sleeper in that bracket, yes they did lose to bangu 1-2, and bangu only have about 13 players compared to woodburys 17 or 18, but it was a close game.

Anonymous said...

Call me crazy, wow
I was also at that game with svc and psa, could have been a 3 goal game to svc, if they do meet up in the ship this year, they will lose despite their shattuck goalkeeper, Kallman with put in a few along with some of the other scores on the team, score will be either 3 or 4 nothing.

Anonymous said...

Woodbury 15 girls will walk through this year, home grown talent is cool, they are a tough group of girls, I also believe this is the year they will get to the semis at regionals, as long as they can avoid a few times, such as Eclipse. Look for them to make some serious noise.

Anonymous said...

woodbury 17's dominated bangu 16's bangu scored 2 goals in extra time allowed after the 80 minutes were up. woodbury starters were already out of the game....no, i am a wings player

Anonymous said...

As noted earlier the Bangu 16's had 13 players there. They were missing several starters and had a field player in the nets.
Next excuse?

Anonymous said...

ANON 10:28-I agree Woodbury 15's will win state cup, they have no chance to make the regional semi's, they got blasted at regionals last year and won't do much better this year, their results out of state this year are not better than last year. As far as home grown talent, not sure what you meant, if you believe the team is made up of all Woodbury kids you are crazy, JE went after several new players none of which are Woodbury kids.

Anonymous said...

Woodbury 15 girls will walk through and reach the Regional Semi's? I wish I had your confidence. Having seen the team play outside of the state, they will continue to struggle at the next level. The could, in all reality, lose to PSA in state cup. PSA plays ugly soccer, but they have a few more athletes than Woodbury. Woodbury should win it, but I wouldn't mail it in at any age group (except maybe the 16's with the stars). I hope they do and I hope they make noise at regionals, but their past shows they have difficulty at the next level.

The Bangu 15's, thought they did not get results this past weekend, have come a long way. They are a bunch of C1 kids and leftovers that were cut from other premier teams, but they are actually trying to play soccer. I like them to reach the finals and probably lose to the winner of the Woodbury PSA bracket, mostly because of their draw. When it comes to State CUp and Regionals, the draw has a ton to do with how teams fare.

Anonymous said...

Woodbury/Minnesota Inferno, homegrown talent? Don't make me laugh. Even back in the u12 Abboud days they had multiple players from around the east metro. I seriously doubt they've gone and replaced this talent with "homegrown" Woodbury kids.

As far as noise goes, maybe more than a peep this year but I doubt it. They do not have the athletes nor the depth to compete with the top dogs in the region.

Anonymous said...

I think the u15 bangu team is mostly hype. MC promised so much to those girls, and what do they have to show for it? Maybe 1 out of town win? If they really plan on trying to win state cup, they should probably step their game up a bit.
And along with Inferno. Their players have a lot of althetisism, but they haven't shown that they can compete and the regional or national level. When they were younger, this was the team to beat. But as they've grown up, so have the other teams in this age group. The gap isn't as wide as it used to be. State cup this year should be pretty interesting.

Anonymous said...

From what I've seen, I think both the U16 girls and U14 girls have a better overall talent pool than the U15 girls.

Anonymous said...

The girls talent pool at Bangu is much stronger at U16/U14 than U15, but the overall talent pool is similar. In fact, the Woodbury U15 team came close to winning the U16 premiere league. Bangu just came late to the U15 age group.

Anonymous said...

anon - 8:06, I agree that Woodbury U15 did very well in the U16 premier league, but please keep in mind that the Stars did not participate. In the girls U16 age group you have the Stars, Wings, Woodbury U16's, EP and even the second Bangu U16's. At girls U14 you have Bangu Blue, EP, Wayzata, Woodbury, and Bangu White. At girls U15, you pretty much have a very strong Woodbury team and then in my opinion a bit of a drop off.

Anonymous said...

Aren't there 6 teams in the U14 Premier league?

Anonymous said...

anon 9:59, yes, Coon Rapids and the U13 Bangu Blue team are also in the premier league. The U14 Bangu team is only playing MRL.

Anonymous said...

The Bangu Boys 14s, 15s and 16s are also playing the USL Super-Y.

http://supery.uslsoccer.com/index.html

Super Y rosters are seperate from USYSA and I'm guessing the Bangu USL rosters include players from other clubs.

Anonymous said...

people need to stop writing about bangu 24/7 its just getting ridiculous. yeah, they are a good team... but any 2 cent coach can go behind peoples back and steal the best players in the state. bangu 16's think they are gods gift to earth. spend some time on city clubs or something

Anonymous said...

anon 4:53. I agree with you, anyone can post a comment so I'm not sure why more folks associated with the CC's don't contribute. I question your comments regarding "stealing the best players in the state". Please provide more details on how this was accomplished.

Anonymous said...

I think a lot of CCs have quit posting becasue the 'Goo folks blasted them early and often.

Anonymous said...

anon 9:57 when, where? This isn't pro-bangu but the fact of the matter is that club has a lot more teams actively involved regionally and nationally this time of the year than most other clubs so there is more to talk about.

Anonymous said...

I wish you guys would stop it with the spoilers. My daughter is playing in state cup, but thanks to you all, I already know how it ends. I guess I'll just tell her now so she doesn't get too excited.

tomASS said...

LOL!

so once the brackets are filled in with predications it's over? Well that will save me $3 bucks a gallon going to Coon Rapids to watch

Phase two of this post - the excuses of why the favorites lost - "that darn pack it in mentality", "the better team didn't win, only the team that happen to get more goals in an important game won, but that doesn't make them better, only says we couldn't beat them that day of an important game- deeDEEdee

koolaidmom said...

State Cup like anything is all about the pitch and who can find the back of the net. As with anything in life when humans are involved you never know what will happen. Heck, Chelsea was nearly taken out of the FA cup by lowly Blackburn.....so on any given day anything could happen. No excuses needed, win or lose you either play your best or stay home.

halfback jack said...

Spoken like a true soccermom! :)

Anonymous said...

I am hearing a rumor about a rule chagne reguarding the state cup pairings - can anyone confirm. Shall we call the the "Wings Whine"?

tomASS said...

I heard there may be an MN soccer shattering meeting taking place tonight that might reshape the way soccer is done in this state.

Anyone else?

Anonymous said...

The following rules will be applied to all semifinal games for the 2007 US Youth Soccer Minnesota State Cup Championships.

The returning State Cup champion and returning State Cup runner-up that win their respective brackets will not face each other in the semifinals. The returning State Cup champion that wins their bracket will play the wildcard team in the semifinals if there is a wildcard (i.e. 3 brackets) subject to the wildcard rule listed below.

When a wildcard is used to fill out the semifinal brackets (i.e. 3 brackets), two teams from the same bracket who qualify for the semifinals games will not face each other in the semifinals.

These two rules have been added to the 2007 US Youth Soccer Minnesota State Cup Championship Rules.


Probably brought on by the Wings at the U16G bracket, but it's a pretty good rule change IMO. Particularly in a year when MN can send two teams at this U16 age group, we should all want the best to teams to have an opportunity to go. I stand behind this idea, guess the State Cup committee does as well. Not discounting any of the other teams at this age group, but it makes perfect sense to me to set this event up in a way that the two "top" teams from last year's competition don't meet each other in the semifinals.

To be honest, I don't know much about the draw process. Could Wings and Bangu have drawn the same pool group, or are teams at this age group seeded prior to the draw? I would assume the latter, so this new rule is an extension of that mentality.

Proactive or reactive Tomass? I guess if Wings truly petitioned for the change, it would be reactive... again.

Anonymous said...

haha how bout the u17 bracket with valley, woodbury, wings, and kelix tell me thats not ridiculous! the three best teams in the state are in the same bracket....

Anonymous said...

loki and all - this is a horrid rule change. Explain the U15 stadings last year when the wings finished - what, 4th behind the U15 woodbury team!!!! This does not take into account team change over or injury. Hsve we become so PC that we need to make sure the offended need special compensation. Bottom line - if you win you go on regardless of draw. Whats the matter Wings/Tonka afraid of a little challenge. MYSA I have one for you. My sons U11 team won the C2 bracket four years ago they should now get the automatic final spot, ha,ha. Youth soccer as governed by MYSA has become a joke.

Anonymous said...

imo, point taken. I see what you're saying... who is to say that last year's state cup finalists were the two best teams? Maybe the state cup committee does this, hence the rule change.

So what's the answer? If not last year's top two state cup teams, than the state cup winner and the Premier league winner? What about teams that don’t play at their age group (which happens quite a bit with the top teams at the older age levels)? I still don't even know if there even is seeding in this event, but if there is, is the answer NOT to seed?

When it's all said and done teams will still have to prove their worth on the field.

Anonymous said...

loki - agreed, let the teams prove it on the pitch. Arbitrary "rulings" are not the answer. Not you, me or MYSA can make the case that Wings, EP or Bangu are the best teams on the field, only game day results can do that. Are there better teams, sure, but then prove it. These "Wings/Tonka/I've been wronged" rulings need to stop for the good of the game. Not to mention backroom, last second commands on high.
Finally, it would be nice for someone, anyone from MYSA explain themselves.

Anonymous said...

Don't hold your breath!

Anonymous said...

It is not a bad rule change, but the timing is crappy. This rule was change by a Wings person to benefit Wings teams. It never ceases to amaze how tight Wings are with MYSA. Meanwhile, Wings have lost their #2 club spot to EP and may fall to #4 behind Woodbury within a year or two. Now they are grabbing at whatever they can to make sure they get the best shot of getting some state cup finalist.

Anonymous said...

Hasn't there always been a rule where last years State Cup Champion and runner up are put is separate brackets so they do not meet in thge semi's? Does anyone know why the defending U15 Girls State Cup Champ and runner up were originally scheduled to meet in the U16 semis this year - assuming neither is upset in pool play? Was it just a scheduling mistake? Anybody know?

Anonymous said...

So who is part of this "big" club merger? Anyone have any news they want to share?

Anonymous said...

How do you European teams qualify for the Champions League?

Anonymous said...

I get sooooooo tired of the injury excuse as a reason for a team to get a free pass somewhere. Its part of the game folks. Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

UEFA Champions League answer - From their website

"Eligibility
The Champions League is open to each national association's domestic champions, as well as clubs who finish just behind them in their respective domestic championship. The number of clubs that can be entered by an association and their entry point in the competition depends on the association’s position in UEFA's coefficient ranking list. "

In other words, those teams that finish first and second this year in their countries club competition get entry into the tournament for next year. Since the State Cup is the only thing that really matters (because that is how you can advance further) in 2007, the teams are seeded accordingly. They do the same with Midwest regional league.

It is done with all kinds of sports all over the place.

Anonymous said...

People start talking about the State Cup, not the Champions League..

koolaidmom said...

Really nothing to say about state cup yet....games so far have been mediocre at best....in other words apparently nobody has anything to whine about, how thier team should have won.

Anonymous said...

There have been a couple of lopsided games:

Girls U18 SCV PR 6 - WNG C1 0
Boys U18 BNG PR 6 - BHK PR 0

The girls game was not a big shock as the SCV team are a very good premier side and the WNG team is an average C1 side.

Anonymous said...

U18 teams that come ready to play 90 minutes always prevail. SCV and PSA girls and BNG boys. ROC players added to already strong BNG team now that Rosenthal is back healthy. He hasn't played in big competition in 12 months, I think he's ready to make up for lost time and instant success. PSA girls took over in the 2nd half, fitness and athleticism was obvious. Excellent goalie with a team that plays well when organized as they were in the 2nd half will be dangerous throughout the Cup. 2006 Champs BHK may not make it to the finals, one lose in a three team bracket places a lot of pressure when teams are very evenly matched.

Anonymous said...

My reference to the Champions League is because that is how seeding is done - by last years performance - otherwise it is completely arbitrary.

Anonymous said...

Max I think your reference to Champions League might be backwards or at least support the other opinions. Champions League qualification is based on a teams results in their domestic league. The prior year winner does get a free pass though. True, subsequent year Champions League seeding is done based on prior year Champions League performance.

I think the other side is saying, why does a team that finished 4 or 5 in the league, get a pass from the preivous year. I am not taking anyones side...however I do believe the rules should not change for the current year, but be activated for next year.

Anonymous said...

bangu 16's D is pretty impressive
1 goal allowed in all there games

JESUSSSS!!

yours truly

Anonymous said...

Make that TWO, Ned...

koolaidmom said...

Agree with ANON 9:33, but then we live in MYSA land where retroactive is the way to implement your rules....perhaps we have to much "retro" going on. Maybe a another new rule that says all new rules don't become new rules until the next new rules season starts??

Anonymous said...

bangumom,
now why would MYSA want to start being logical?

Anonymous said...

I just checked on the Bangu U16 record. They did only allow 2 goals in their 7 games to date.
Very impressive.
As a GK dad (my kid isn't with Bangu) I'll concede that they have a great GK or a great defense...possibly both.
In 7 games 2 goals can be scored just by accident. (just ask my GK son)
Congrats to the U16 Bangu guys they're doing a fine job of representing our state.

tomASS said...

Oh don't get me going on MYSA's executive bureaucrats - not only do they lack common sense or logic (however you want to term it)
but there is also something very suspicious when they do not publish their annual financial reports since 2005. It is a shame that one would have to put in a request to view this information.

Under MN law, a tax-exempt 501c3 organized as a non-profit must allow their members to review accounting records and financial statements for any purpose at any reasonable time.

posting it on their web site sure would remove that cloud of suspicion

I guess they're too busy with changing rules to get around to the financial things

Anonymous said...

Out of curiousity, who is the treasurer at Bangu? No one is listed? MC? MA?

Anonymous said...

suggest you email the club president if you really want to know

MNF said...

Please use the newer post for game results and chatter. Thanks.