Similar to last year, 10-12 teams have a chance to win state at AA and A. Many good teams but no dominant team that will steam roll into state. This should be one of the most competitive tournaments is quite some time.
Section brackets:
Section 1: A -- AA
Section 2: A -- AA
Section 3: A -- AA
Section 4: A -- AA
Section 5: A -- AA
Section 6: A -- AA
Section 7: A -- AA
Section 8: A -- AA
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Good question.
10:06 if what you said is true about collin, then why the coaches this year didn't look at those same quality instead they look at stats? don't get it...
Colin was a bad joke last year. At least WB has some strong stats going for him and his team is doing well. Last year there were slewth of good players to choose from.
Put term limit of these reps (old geezers) and turn them over. Let the new generation begins.
all state selections??? anyone?
WB
DF
those are the two i knew of..
Anyone who went to the banquet buy a t-shirt? Take a look at the back and let us know whose names you see.
Heard tell that this years All State & Mr. Soccer selections were pure stats. No stats, no recognition. Which of course will hurt H.S. Soccer in the long run. Players will get the message, screw your team it all about ME!
I agree wit 10:35
CM of Wayzata was the best player in the state in 2007 and a deserving winner. CM of Sibley and MH of Apple Valley were great players, but not as good. Wayzata was the best team out of those teams too.
RG is the best player in the state in 2008. WB is a great player and had a great season and is more than deserving of Mr. Soccer. DF is a great player but his team isn't as great.
I would probably take any of the above 6 mentioned players over you or your child if I were forming a team.
I thnk everyone should remember that these players you are talking about are KIDS playing youth soccer. Referring to anyone that has received Mr. Soccer as a "joke" is inappropriate to say the least. Most of you write as if you have all the information out there on all 1300+ (2600+ for A and AA players) and an understanding of the game beyond anyone else. Ranking players and deciding who receives awards is an imperfect science and the coaches do their best with the information they have. There seems to be a lot of people on this blog who thinks things were better when they played. Not unlike the seniors who graduate and think the programs will fall apart without them. In actuality the quality and depth of talent in the state has grown tremendously. There was probably a half dozen kids that could have received the honor and congratulations to Whitney for earning it. The conf player ranking system is basically a compromise among coaches that doesn't allow for one team to dominate. Take into consideration the all-metro team when that comes out as coaches can be more honest in their evaluation of players through that channel. There will be some surprises on that list with players that deserve recognition and are lesser known. Again, let's not confuse this with anything other than youth soccer. congrats to the teams who advanced to state and best of luck.
Colin M was a joke for winning last year. It was entitlement for him. Others are more deserving. Wayzata coach knew how to pull the strings.
The All State Process really need to be revised. The old boys network needs to make way for something that is objective. The list this year is a testimonial to the fact that it matters who you play for not how you play or how good your team competes.
The process should take place after Sections are finished to see how players play against good competion. To select on padded stats built on the ability to do well against lesser opponents is a terrible way to reward players. Look at the play of players when they are matched by quality opponents which is generally at the end of Sections.
Ditto's to the above. These are kids and should be treated as such, with respect just as we would want others to treat our own kids. It's fine to have an opinion and state why you may have thought a particularly player deserved the award, but that doesn't mean you have to trash another player in the process.
Congrats to this years winners. As with anything, I'm sure there are some deserving that were missed. I agree that overall, the quality of the players in the state is up. I don't buy into the old story I've heard more than once on this site from commenters who say that players aren't as good, the Thunder aren't as good, in fact nothing much is as good as the old days. Sorry, but the quality in both cases just keeps getting better and better.
I'd say WB is the right choice. They give the award to the HS player with a big impact. Not the best club soccer player.
Totally agreed.
my work sucks, my life sucks, so I think i'll go online and rip some teenage kids......that will make me feel better and more of a man.
Does Osseo have anyone else in All-State besides WB?
Wayzata knows how to pull strings to get All-State and HM:
2006
Colin Monasterio 11 Wayzata
Luke Strom 12 Wayzata
Tim Paulson 11 Wayzata
2007
Colin Monasterio 12 Wayzata
Tim Paulson 12 Wayzata
Tyler Vint 12 Wayzata
2008
?
Coon Rapids made out like bandits.
Head coach JJ - COY
All-State & HM - 3 players
Anyone have a list online somewhere of all the All-State players? MSHSL didn't have it up yet last I checked.
AA
Attacher:
Edi Beccerra, Mpls SW
Whitney Brown, Osseo
Jeff Butler, Prior Lake
Spencer Duhaime, Edina
Joe Gustafson, Anoka
Ian Kranfnick St. Cloud Tech
David Saidu, Park Center
Jovanny Santibanez, Owantanno
Adam Wieckert, St. Louis Park
Defenders:
Chad Gilmer, Bloomington Jefferson
Bijan Jabari, AV
Danny Kemp, EP
Midfielders:
Carolos Contreas, WBL
Kyle Erickson Tartan
Dula Fadis, MPLS South
Brad Fisher, Rochester Mayo
Mitch Grandlund, Armstrong
Brent Kallman, Woodbury
Sam Kessler, Hopkins
Tony Lozancic, St. Louis Park
Adam Pappas, Coon Rapids
Alex Peterson, Eden Prairie
Goalkeepers:
Josh Biernat Coon Rapids
Rollie Thayer Mtka
Section 1 –Owantona
Section 2 – Mtka, Edina, Bloomington Jefferson, EP, EP
Section 3 – AV, Rochester Mayo
Section 4 – Woodbury, WBL
Section 5 – Osseo, PC
Section 6 – Hopkins, Mpls SW, Mpls S, Armstrong, SLP, SLP
Section 7 – Anoka, CR, CR
Section 8 – St. Paul Tech
From the Star Tribune
Looks to me that Section 6 Rep Chris Bianz walked away repesenting his sections well
JJ from Section 7 Represented himself well
Sections being poorly represented possibly -
Section 1, Section 3, Section 5, Section 8
Thanks!
7:03 is an idiot, a bitter, jealous idiot. There wasn't any string pulling. How many games did Wayzata win in 2007 and 2006? Winning helps. Being ranked #1 helps. Being the best player and a top player on that kind of team helps.
The Wayzata coaches didn't need to pull strings. Their team and their players spoke for themselves. I'm not even a fan of Wayzata, I don't think anyone is, but they had the best players. CM in 2007 was an easy choice for me, just like WB in 2008.
How about All-State Honorable Mentioned list?
Honorable Mention was not in the Star Tribune. Well have to wait for the web site update.
I also heard that Fridley had three player listed for All State. 1 was academically ineligible, two got into physical altercations with a referee at sectionals. Thus losing their awards.
I found the link for the Mr. and Mrs. Soccer from the Trib. But cannot find a link to the all-state. I know they are listed above but I need a link.Does anyone know of one? Specific web address please?
The defenders sure don't get a lot of respect from these coaches do they?
Only 3 chosen in "AA"?
Here's a link from the Pioneer Press website:
http://www.twincities.com/prep/ci_10763888
Outstanding, thank you!
This selection for All-State and HM awards is one political battle.
Coaches ranking and # awards
#1 Apple Valley - 1 <--- ONE???
#2 Eden Prairie - 2
#3 Osseo - 1 <--- ONE???
#4 Coon Rapids - 3 <--- THE MOST!
#5 Eagan - 0 <--- NO RESPECT?
#6 St. Louis Park - 2
#7 Woodbury - 2
#8 Stillwater - 2
#9 Armstrong - 2
#10 - Mpls Southwest - 1
Do you see problems with this?
AV and Osseo have a case to bitch here and Eagan just got NO RESPECT at all.
This system needs a CHANGE!
I don't believe it's Section Reps do the voting. I think it's coming from Conference Reps. Do you know who are they for AV, Eagan, Osseo?
"I don't believe it's Section Reps do the voting. I think it's coming from Conference Reps. Do you know who are they for AV, Eagan, Osseo?"
This is interesting and I'd like to follow up on this. Does anyone know specifically how these choices are made?
As someone stated, defenders? Also, I don't want to be disrespectful to anyone listed but I see from the list that there are a number of kids who clearly made the list because of goals scored, when I know that players team had a more skillful and talented (in my opinion) midfield player or defender who did not get chosen. Goals may very well get you on the ballet or get you noticed.
Conference coaches nominate and rank players. That list goes to State Soccer Coaches Associate and Section Reps do the voting. Blame of political in-fighting with the coaches for player ranking in the conference. If your coach doesn't get along or get no respect from coaches in the same conference, then your player is hosed. It's one fricking farce.
Why Eagan has no awards when it's voted #5 in State by the coaches. I don't get this. I guess Eagan has no respect from conference coaches.
No disrespect intended but as someone earlier mentioned, All-state is about what school you play for and if your high school team has a winning record, there are plenty of players that play for schools that don't have winning records and if they were at different schools they would be recognized for their abilities. There is no exact science for selecting players for All-State so until there is a better way for selecting players there will always be head scratching on selections.
All I can say is that there needs to be a better way to select players, I would venture to guess that some of the selections were never even seen in a game by some of those doing the selection.
Maybe it is time to use technology and have all games taped and when a player is nominated then game tapes can be viewed by the voting committee. I know this would take longer but you would probably create a better selections vs the good ole boy network.
Just my opinion.
CR made out like bandits alright.
Section rep for WBL is no other than Ben Vulu from WBL.
Very selfserving indeed.
Way to go Ben!
My question is why other section reps not seeing this manipulation?
Seems to me, w/o making things overly complicated, there needs to be a committee for each section. 3 seems like a good number.
WBL in Suburban East conf.
Final conference standing:
1. Stillwater - 2 awards
2. Woodbury - 2
3. Cretin-Derham Hall - 1
4. White Bear Lake - 2
5. Forest Lake - 1
6. Park of Cottage Grove - 0
7. Roseville - 0
8. Hastings - 0
9. Mounds View - 0
WBL finished 4th in conference and received 2 awards. Ben is Section rep and coach of WBL.
AV in Lake conference.
Final standing:
1. Apple Valley - 1 award
2. Eden Prairie - 2 awards
3. Eagan - 0
4. Bloomington Jefferson - 1
5. Chaska - 1
6. Lakeville North - 0
7. Eastview - 1
8. Burnsville -
9. Lakeville South - 0
10. Bloomington Kennedy - 0
11. Rosemount - 0
These awards are for the kids and not coaches.
Is Surdyk's or Haskell's sponsoring this thread......
don't get too caught up in the coach rankings. There's no way to know who votes. South beat SW and Armstrong in the 2nd half of the year (both ranked teams) so let's not pretend that list means more than it does. South also won their conf.
Osseo is in Northwest Suburban conference.
Final standing:
1. Coon Rapids - 3 awards <--- THE MOST in STATE!!!
2. Osseo - 1
3. Anoka - 1
4. Elk River - 0 <--- None?
5. Champlin Park - 0 <--- None?
6. Maple Grove - 2 <--- TWO FOR 6TH PLACE???
7. Park Center - 1 <--- ONE FOR 7TH PLACE???
8. Centennial - 0
9. Andover - 0
10. Blaine - 0
CR Coach jason Jacob is Coach of the Year and Section 7 Rep.
Another selfserving case.
How can these Section reps get away with this???
Where are other Section Reps integrity???
Like I said before Coon Rapids made out like bandits!
Because of how All-State is selected, some conference and or Sections are screwed. For example, .NWSC is all Class AA w/ 10 teams, 2 at the State Tournament. Have teams like Osseo, Park Center, Anoka, Champlin Park, Coon Rapids, Elk River, and Maple Grove, get only 12 player and 2 goalies to submit for All State.
The North Suburban Conference w/11 teams, two at the State Tournament. Have teams like St. Louis Park, Spring Lake Park, Totino Grace, Benilde-St. Margaret, North Branch, Irondale, Fridley but because they have teams that are both A & AA, they get 24 field players & 4 goalies to submit for All State. Therefore, St. Louis Park and Spring Lake Park probably have four players each represented for All State Selections.
Now here were the politics come in. No team can submit more than three field player and 1goalie. Coon Rapids has definitely come out smelling. A lower ranked player from a given conference cannot be selected before a higher ranked player from that same conference is selected. A lower ranked player from one Conference can be selected before a higher ranked player from a different conference. Therefore, for the teams playing in sections 5A who were represented by the Spring Lake Park Coach actually got two players and one of his own players on the All State roster. Nevertheless, from his conference three other players beside his own made the All State roster. However, was representing Osseo, Park Center, Champlin Park, and Maple Grove, who all got a slap in the face. JJ from Coon Rapids represented his Section got three player on the all state from his team, the Anoka throw in kid, St. Francis kid & North Branch player. Nevertheless, his team played in the same conference as Osseo, Park Center, Champlin Park and Maple Grove. I would be very interested to see what those player rankings from the NWSC looked like. Remember the conference only get 12 field players and two goalies. From what I can tell, all three CR kids must have been ranked before any of the other Osseo players or Champlin Park Players and to a lesser extent Maple Grove. This is just plain ridiculous to those who have seen these teams play, Coon Rapids plays a solid team work game because they played together all summer and do not suffer the communication problems most others struggle with. But to say that Osseo & Champlin Park did not have one player on either of their teams better than that kid is just insane. I would say Pugh & Smith took it on the chin.
The main thing I think to remember is in the typical MNHSL fashion in an effort to make it fair, this is not a true representation of the 12 or even 24 best players in the state. Everyone always carries on about how political ODP is well, this certainly tops anything I ever seen in ODP.
Should Eagan Kurt Vigil be kissing *ss to get awards for his players? That's not right at all.
11:24 JJ is very selfserving person to tell you the truth.
The Park Center kid is quite good and actually Cooper has one of the top 10 players in the state, but that team isn't very good. he should still be deserving. higher ranked teams may have more depth and overall talent, but that doesn't automatically their top kid is better than a lower teams top kid.
Jason Jacob should resign from his post immediately.
Should CR #3 be above Osseo #2 or Champlin Park #1?
Jason Jacob is Section 7 and he made a case for selfserving.
Put Ben Vulu in selfserving case as well. Both of them should resign immediately.
Where was Section 5 Rep Jake Smothers to make a case for Osseo and Champlin Park?
That Park Center kid is lights-out. I'd like him on my team.
Selfserving or abused of power.
Either case Jason and Ben should resign.
The Banquet was great. First time our family has participated. Congrats to everyone!
Interesting to see that a few Sophomores made the list for Hon. Mention. Those guys should be rockstars for the next two years. Two goalies too--Stillwater and MG.
I didn't see the Stillwater kid, but they MG keeper could/should have been all-state. Best I saw this year--including the kid from CR.
And how did Bah and Hoang not get a mention from Osseo? Rookie mistake?
Again, Conferences rank the players, Coaches in the conference vote on the rank the players. Perhaps someone should post the NWSC coaches rankings? I have a hard time beleiving CR had those three players in the top ten in the conference.
Park Center kid is good, he just didn't play all that much due to an injury. On the same hand there are other players in the same conference who are equally as talented and played the whole season but are not mentioned. How do you rank a player who missed about 1/4 to 1/2 the season over hmm...a defender who played all year. Well it could be those peskie stats again.
Section 7 Rep Jason jacob got most awards and how Section 7 Jake Smothers got any? Jake you should stand up against abused of power.
NWSC reps are Barry Arrowsmith (Blaine Coach) and Tom Olson (Elk River Coach). They should have the ranking list.
Jake is rep for Section 5. Osseo and CP are in that section.
According to the MN State High School Coaches web site, they get ranked by their conference and then represented by their sections. But #2 ranked player from your conference cannot be selected before the #3 player in your conference. The coaches in the conference vote on the ranking.
Here what we can surmise so far:
1.Whitney Brown, Osseo, F, sr.
2.Joe Gustafson, Anoka, F, sr.
3.Adam Pappas, Coon Rapids, MF, sr.
4.David Saidu, Park Center, F, sr.
Honorable Mention
5.Lawrence Talery, Coon Rapids, F, jr.
6.Eric Collins, Maple Grove, D, sr.
Goalie's (2 selection for the conference)
1.Josh Biernat, Coon Rapids, sr.
2.Cody Cropper, Maple Grove, soph.
Sorry, but Biernat got the #1 ranking because he was a senior. I have a hard time seeing the coaches paying attention to this so it would be interesting to see those tabulations.
Lawrence Talery, is strictly a stats thing, there are way too many other players in the conference that are light years beyond this kid in talent and skill. Notice there is only one MF, I still question that even he he would be listed above some of the other midfielders in the conference....Hoang, Baker or even Robson. All better players but without the stats or the representation not much could be done for them.
So, the best you can say about All-State is it is a list of players. Is it the Top team in the state...ummm NO.
I can't believe parents care this much about the All-State Award. The award doesn't even matter. Playing in state is what will get you recognition.
If your team got the shaft, that means your own coach didn't go to bat for you to get you a high player ranking in your conference. It has nothing to do with the other coaches as coaches only see other teams once or twice. So unless other coaches in the conference know who you are through Club or ODP, it all falls on your own coach to lobby for you.
"Put Ben Vulu in selfserving case as well. Both of them should resign immediately."
Again I am going to say that instead of finger pointing, there needs to be a system that doesn't allow one person to make all the decisions. Beside, that puts to much pressure on that one person. They may be doing there best. With a small committee it's less likely that there would be as much favoritism.
Am I wrong?
Seniors Regional ODP Players
Michael Gandier of Hasting/Shattuck St. Mary’s, William Johnson of Faribault/Shattuck St. Mary’s, Henry Robson of Champlin/Champlin Park, Luke Sollie of Lakeville/Shattuck St. Mary’s, Dula Fadis of Minneapolis/Mps South, Rodrigo Galvan of St. Paul/Humbolt, Abdi Hassan of Minneapolis/ Southwest? Whitney Browne of Brooklyn Park/Osseo –
2 made All State
Junior Regional ODP Players, Ayub Baker of Brooklyn Center/Champlin, Patrick Donyen of Crystal/Shattuck St. Mary’s, Hamad Jaman of Roseville, Brandon Wolf of Rosemount/Rosemount, Paul Yonga of Brooklyn Park/Totino Grace,
1 made All State
Sophmore Regional ODP Players
Mark Gormley of Minneapolis/ , Ebenezer Mengistu of Cottage Grove, Eric Miller of Woodbury, Andrew Rorick of North Mankato, David Zalk of Maplewood Isaac Kannah of Brooklyn Park, Adam Mohamed of Mankato
1 All State I think Akram Mohamed or Adam Mohamed?
Everyone claims ODP is political. All State while political is also messed up with MNHSL rules to “make it fair” so it is not a true list of the best players. However, realize your High School Coach represents you. Poor representation by your coach will probably not over come any ODP or Club recognition. From what I can see here Champlin Park, Humbolt, Mpls Southwest and even Osseo coaches did a poor job representing their players. To a lesser extent Roseville, & Rosemount coaches beware and be ready to step up to the plate.
It's a shame when good players are stuck behind dumb coaches.
1:11 Totally agreed with small committee to work on All-State awards.
Back to the State Tournament...
Which of the AA teams play regularly on turf?
Thoughts on what we may see in terms of playing styles in each of the first round games?
not sure on teams..but teams with premier players who often play games on turf should really benefit. The top players should be really comfortable if they have a good touch...boot ball will work no longer.
Don't foget that ODP is not what it used to be with US Club adding ODP and especially the USSF academy program for player identification. OH north and south, IL, MI, MO, IA, IN and other states are already placing players directly in the pool through their academies. The number of MN players "making the pool" has risen. However, you can talk with any ODP coach, outside of this years U17s, the quality of MN player is down significantly.
Tech is taking the trophy home... and Apple valley is going to lose SLP. Their time is next year
Remeber Molly Rouse from Cambridge? Led the girls in goals as a junior and senior. Was snubbed by ODP and the MSHSL. All politics. She scored the winning goal against Ohio State this past weekend for the Lady Gophers and was one of the best girl HS players ever in MN. No all state, certainly not Ms. Soccer. Travesty!!!!
WB is a very good player. On any given day, other seniors are better. But you can't say he didn't deserve the award.
Apple Valley has the best-worst coach of all times. Of the worst 25 coaches of all times, he is the best. He benefits from a strong club program that punishes players for going outside the club. And he is a real piece of work.
Posted on minnesota-scores.net:
QRF Predictions:
Class A
Totino-Grace over Mounds Park Academy
Rochester Lourdes over Breck
Blake over Willmar
Duluth East over St. Cloud Cathedral
Class AA
St. Louis Park over Apple Valley
Bloomington Jefferson over Stillwater Area
Osseo over Lakeville North
Coon Rapids over St. Cloud Tech
"You'll never catch me bragging about goals, but I'll talk all you want about my assists" - quote from Wayne Gretzky
Different sport but the analogy is the same. I like the playmakers.
AV 2 SLP 1
BJ 1 Stillwater 0
Osseo 3 Lakville North 1
Coon Rapids 2 St Cloud Tech 1
BJ 1 AV 0
Osseo 2 Coon Rapids 1
BJ 1 Osseo 1
BJ wins in PK's
AV will win in 09
How Rodrigo Galvin was not even invited to the banquet beats the heck out of me... He was clearly the best player on the field each and every game during the 91 odp weekend.
I will start the chant...
BULL SHIT!!!!
BULL SHIT!!!!
I think he had too many red cards.
5:51 "you can talk with any ODP coach, outside of this years U17s, the quality of MN player is down significantly." Yeah, yeah your son is great. Everybody else suck but my son is great. Whatever dude, go watch a hockey game.
Competition for those spots in MN has probably increased, as SSM has brought players in from out of state. Regardless, those players making the Regional team can easily be identified as some of the best players in the state and are recognized as such by any college coach in the nation. As MN does not have an academy nor any US Club Soccer of significance it probably holds more weight than someone who lives in IL.
As political as ODP is, those selections are still probably more accurate than the All State Team as 1) no one is keeping their stats, it is based on players performance that is being watched by the coaches at the time 2) They are actually fielding a team with more than three defenders on it. The All State team this year is a joke, it was obviously driven by stats and a few Sections Reps/Coaches.
5:51 "you can talk with any ODP coach, outside of this years U17s, the quality of MN player is down significantly." Yeah, yeah your son is great. Everybody else suck but my son is great. Whatever dude, go watch a hockey game.
Competition for those spots in MN has probably increased, as SSM has brought players in from out of state. Regardless, those players making the Regional team can easily be identified as some of the best players in the state and are recognized as such by any college coach in the nation. As MN does not have an academy nor any US Club Soccer of significance it probably holds more weight than someone who lives in IL.
As political as ODP is, those selections are still probably more accurate than the All State Team as 1) no one is keeping their stats, it is based on players performance that is being watched by the coaches at the time 2) They are actually fielding a team with more than three defenders on it. The All State team this year is a joke, it was obviously driven by stats and a few Sections Reps/Coaches.
Those selfserving Section Reps should resign immediately.
Please tell us the section/rule for the red card criteria. I don't recall seeing that posted on MN State High League Coaches web site. Or was this something the coaches in his conference decided to do as a new rule?
If the coach is not well liked by other conference coach then your player is hosed. It's very political at the conference level and then at state level. It'sone fricking farce. The system needs a diaper change.
AV will lose first round
BJ will win it
Osseo loses first round or second round at the latest there defense and goalie are very week.
10:01 go back and retake your English class.
The Section Reps take care of themselves every year. Look at last years A list. Heritage Christian places 2 kids on All State list, including a Keeper that gave up 40 plus goals. The system makes no sense but to quote my son its just High school soccer......
why all the AV hate? they have been ranked in the top spot all year other than one week, yes they had a bad game and lost to very good team, they are ranked 22 in the country, SLP has played no one this year, if AV can pull it off this year, which I believe they can, its back to back for them as they return 88% of their goal production next season
All metro 1st team is out:
Forwards
• Whitney Browne, Osseo: Metro Player of the Year has 31 goals and led Orioles to state tourney.
• Dan Killen, St. Bernard's: 32 goals tied for best in metro area; won Class 1A Mr. Soccer.
• Ryan MacArthur, Zimmerman: 25 goals was among metro's best.
• Sam Hyneh, Mpls. South: 11 goals, 11 assists.
Midfielders
• Carlos Contreras, jr., White Bear Lake: Strong on the ball.
• Dula Fadis, Mpls. South: 23 goals for strong team.
• Rodrigo Galvan, St. Paul Humboldt: Division I talent could flourish at next level.
• Paul Yonga, jr., Totino-Grace: 43 points for top Class 1A team.
Defenders
• Bijan Jabari, jr., Apple Valley: Stalwart for top Class 2A team.
• Chad Gilmer, Bloomington Jefferson: One of best players in strong conference.
Goalkeeper
• Rollie Thayer, Minnetonka: A stone wall for the Skippers.
for those who never saw Sam Hyneh for Minneapolis South he is a top 5 player, good to see him get this. Nice job to all 11.
Why the hate for AV? Because people can't decide if they like local community clubs or recruiting select clubs.
AV punishes players for leaving Valley United and the coach is a converted baseball/football coach who benefits from great numbers in their youth program.
BJ loses every player to various select clubs as BYSC has always struggled and their coach is a part-time professional coach.
People hate both teams. They're completely different, yet they both win. I suppose people hate teams that win. I hate the Yankees. I love Man U.
Interesting All Metro team.. only 4 players led their respective teams to the state tournament I believe: Browne, Yonga, Gilmer and Jabari. Not to beat and old horse, but these selections should consider much more than stats and one's ability to score a hat trick against weak competition. Leadership, ability to make one's teammates better, consistency on both sides of the ball, and ability to lead one's team to victory in the postseason should all have just as much weight-if not more- than goals and assists in determining All State, All Metro, Mr. Soccer, etc... These characteristics are the reasons why we will remember names such as Pele, Maradona, and Zidane for years and years to come.
With that said, my vote goes to PY. He contains the best combination of the aforementioned characteristics as well as club and ODP experience- regardless of class. TG will win another state championship this year much in part to him.
Totino Grace will win Class A with no serious challenge. Monticello may
have been the second best team in A and the State A finals may have been played at Sections.
where can you find the all metro team listing?
Here's the boys first team:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/31359774.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUeyD8_o8cyaiUiacyKUU
You can go to the Star Tribune website and find everything else you need.
Any of the three Tri-Metro Conference teams have a great chance and will prevail in Single A this year. They are all tough teams and should do well.
We need a change in the selection system. Selfserving reps should resign and have a small committee to work on the awards.
"Anonymous said...
The Section Reps take care of themselves every year. Look at last years A list. Heritage Christian places 2 kids on All State list, including a Keeper that gave up 40 plus goals. The system makes no sense but to quote my son its just High school soccer......
20/10/08 10:10 PM"
Any coaches in state tournament teams coaching premier level or ODP in the summer?
Rank these coaches based on soccer experience and knowledge.
The coachs in the selection comitee have guidlines they must follow, I will lay out a few.
First of all a coach must fill out the proper forms and submit them by the deadline, often times coachs are lazy or do not understand that they need to do this so a good player can miss his oportunity. The coach of the player submited must be a member of the mshsca by Oct. 1. The commitee then looks at the players ranking in there conference and picks accordingly. The players conference ranking is determined by all of the coachs in that players conference so most of the selection process is done by the conference coachs. Now it comes down to extra spots available. Club soccer is not a judgeing criteria. So for these extra spots the all state commitee must choose. These coachs on the commitee do not get paid and do not want to take much time out of there schedule to pick kids (even though they should) so they pick from there own conferences and teams to finish out the list.
P.S. Rodrigo had a bad year. Red cards lazy play and a overall bad attitude. I watched him play 5 games and in each game he received a yellow for takeing down players. If he had any drive he could play in college, but he has already missed his window, he is not going to Madison and that is a fact. I would love to see him do something with his talents but right now he is just wasteing away.
The coachs in the selection comitee have guidlines they must follow, I will lay out a few.
First of all a coach must fill out the proper forms and submit them by the deadline, often times coachs are lazy or do not understand that they need to do this so a good player can miss his oportunity. The coach of the player submited must be a member of the mshsca by Oct. 1. The commitee then looks at the players ranking in there conference and picks accordingly. The players conference ranking is determined by all of the coachs in that players conference so most of the selection process is done by the conference coachs. Now it comes down to extra spots available. Club soccer is not a judgeing criteria. So for these extra spots the all state commitee must choose. These coachs on the commitee do not get paid and do not want to take much time out of there schedule to pick kids (even though they should) so they pick from there own conferences and teams to finish out the list.
P.S. Rodrigo had a bad year. Red cards lazy play and a overall bad attitude. I watched him play 5 games and in each game he received a yellow for takeing down players. If he had any drive he could play in college, but he has already missed his window, he is not going to Madison and that is a fact. I would love to see him do something with his talents but right now he is just wasteing away.
PY plays in Class A and he's only a junior. I think Pele, Maradona and Zidane will be remembered for a lot of the goals they scored. Hand of God? Half field run against England? Two header goals in 98?
Your own coach is lobbying for the players. He understands if your player carries those mentioned intangibles more than anyone else. Apparently your own coach values goals more than those intangibles.
Who would be on this small committee? A handful of "self-serving section reps?" How would it be any different?
9:19 It's better to have more brains at work than just one selfserving rep.
Anon 9:16
Osseo coach obviously submitted the proper paper work as WB is Mr. Soccer. To trash the rest of the team seems strange, or are you saying that he only submitted WB?
How do parents/schools find out if their coach is on top of things? It would be interesting for Booster and school to have that information.
I don't think anyone has a problem with a sections representative representing their conference or even their sections. I think the problem occurs when they only represent their team. A couple of these guys should be ashamed of themselves.
CR must have some major connections because the jr that made All State/All Metro is NOT good. But if you are lazy and just looking at the better teams and their stats, that what happens I guess.
It is too bad for RG, I wonder how much of the behavior you saw was frustration?
The best team is decided in the tournaments or conference records. Some of these players are playing on very weak teams and some are playing on very strong teams. One man cannot win a tournament and this recognition for the all-metro and all-state is very well deserved I am sure by the players who earned it. This is recognition for the players, not the teams.
Jason Jacob and Ben Vulu are the case here.
You don't want boosters or parents involved. You want to talk about having a special interest. You have to hope that you AD hires a good coach and that the coach is organized and gets the paper work done. Some coaches don't nominate certain kids for reason that go beyond the soccer field and most coaches in the conference don't put kids up in the rankings of players because of red cards, suspensions, or other reasons. That happened to a player this year.
Coaches coaching at the premier level or ODP
Storlien coaches a Midwset Regional Team, Minnesota Lightning and is a former Region II staff coach. He has won a lot of State Cup Championships. I think the most in MN
Phil Johnson coaches ODP
Chato coaches a lot of high level teams
SH from South is also 21 or 22 years old.
Scott Smith is a Track Coach.
I think the question is are what are these gentlemen's qualifications?
Brent Johnson
Mike Shebuski
Terry Doud
Ben Vulu
Jake Smothers
Chris Bianz
Jason Jacob
Tom Olson
Anon 12:32 I think the key word in your post is "hopes" as booster and parents raise money for programs it would be nice to know if the coaches are holding up their end of the bargin. No one needs to know who is submitted, they just need to know that it was submitted. Especially, when the excuse is made that some coaches and players were not selected because the coach may have forgotten to send in the paper work.
Chato vs Scanlon should be a good tacticians game.
"Anonymous said...
Apple Valley has the best-worst coach of all times. Of the worst 25 coaches of all times, he is the best. He benefits from a strong club program that punishes players for going outside the club. And he is a real piece of work.
20/10/08 5:58 PM"
So Scanlon isn't the real soccer coach? He uses what others developed?
I think the question is are what are these gentlemen's qualifications?
Brent Johnson
Mike Shebuski
Terry Doud
Ben Vulu
Jake Smothers
Chris Bianz
Jason Jacob
Tom Olson
Of the guys I know on that list, I'd say they're qualified. At least as qualified as the next guy.
And that's no "good ol' boys" network. I know a few who couldn't care less about that.
SH from south IS NOT 21 or 22. He is 19. Ease up on the rumors. Most people on this site criticize, but what do you contribute to the sport?
Sam Hyneh is 20?
Yup, most of those guys are very qualified! Again, as I stated previously, perhaps a small committee for each section would be the way to go. No matter what the rules, there will always be someone who feels they received a raw deal. That's just life.
"Most people on this site criticize, but what do you contribute to the sport?"
Agreed, good point!
perfect all-metro team..
Osseo won't made it through their next game, sorry guys!!!!! I'm connected wit ossea but i won't tell you how. the kids are pess up wit their coach- only WB was nominated from the team, leaving out the ones that gave em the ball...
DITTO, my vote goes to PY. He contains the best combination of skills and can play several positions. he plays forward, defense mid (both attacking and defending) and I have seen him play and can do many things for a medicore teams. he has top club and ODP experience. TG has every reason to win state championship because of this kid. besides he is a good lineage of soccer. can't beat that. but his being a junior might work against him. so he wins state this year and wins it next year. HS rocks!
Ok Jerry or Kufray we know how you feel.
The way I heard it WB will be the only one getting even "All Conference" from Osseo.
But WB fans keep saying he's a one man show and Osseo would be nowhere with out him. I guess we will see if he's the one man show his fans keep telling everyone.
these ego of SE parents drives me and everybody else nots. we can live without them bshoving it agian in our feaces. I can only tell you it must be Jerry or Kufray as you well tell. it can't be anyone else since nobdy likes them. I come here to read soccer players getting knocked down and dirty and what I get is SE crap. I want to stop reading this blog. RG is a star, RM should have won it but what doies tribune know? we should wait for poineer press. that's is paper that we should all read since it is not as biased as SE parents and tribune in their back pocket. I know how easy it is to have tribune in the byout.
last year I wrote about PY as my son played with him and JY got the bad wrap. I still think PY is an excllent player to boot - no pun intended. can he be unassociated with SE and get the recognition?
IS their anyone that Jefferson has to worry about on stillwater? Or will it be in easy win to the second round?
GOO!!!!!! SLP gonna everything, no one there to stop them
"Anonymous said...
Ok Jerry or Kufray we know how you feel.
21/10/08 4:56 PM"
LOL!! HAHAHAHAHAA!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
Stillwater is very well coached and does not give up very many goals. They are a very good team. Phil Johnson has been around forever and is one of the best coaches in the state. Jefferson is very well coached and does not give up that many goals either.
Johnson and Storlien are very good friends. Should make for an interesting match up.
I'm not an Osseo parent/fan but I have seen them play a couple of times:
- They are not a one man team
- Their starting 7 have speed, quickness and ball skills
- They maintain shape and knock the ball around with short crisp passes
- If you pack it in, you will lose as they will put tremendous pressure
- They can be beaten if you keep the play in the midfield and counter.
- Slow the game down by possessing. You boot, you play into their strong suit which is speed
- Attack the middle and right side of their defense as they are vulnerable
- Put the ball in the frame whenever possible as their keeper is shaky
I would still say they are the favorites but it's still a wide open tournament. That's why you play the game.
Good luck to all the teams and enjoy watching the teams compete.
Osseo is one-man team. If not they should have more awards. Shut WB down and you win. BTW, they can use WB as decoy from what the paper says today.
on to osseo, team is good and have creative players
Selfserving reps resign now.
Anon 4:45 said
"he is a good lineage of soccer. can't beat that" LOL, is this guy for real?
Yes he's a good soccer player because it was breed into him. LOL
Thank you Anon 4:45 your post was the best laugh I've had in a week.
Scanlon tactical? By that you mean lump it over the top and have fast, non-soccer players run after it? AVs tactics have always been awful. They benefit from large numbers, athletic rich traditions and well funded programs. Still they have been able to re-load every year. But it wouldn't matter who their coach was...it could be Al Frankin and they would still win games and go to state.
non-soccer players from Valley??? They have some very good players
Decoy? I know it is duck hunting season but this decoy will score if you do not mark him.That is what makes WB SO IMPORTANT TO THIS TEAM! He is dangerous with or without the ball because he will always attract 2 or 3 defenders which frees up his very talented team mates. If Osseo is able to shore up their defense and reaches the finals, his teammates will be recognized!It is obvious that you are a Dula f supporter who as far as I know has not done zippo for his team since the Gibbons boys graduated ! Come to think of it, Dula f was a non factor even when South made it to State 2 years ago!Give credit where credit is due!
Nuradin Yusufas Mr soccer in 07? Give me some of that stuff you are smoking!
still ROFLMAO!!!!
matt thompson all state honorable mention wayzata
7:36 Defense still need to mark decoy WB? Don't think so since decoy can't move fast. Just sitting duck. No sweat. Bring him on.
WB is for real and don't bash him. I love the kid - he is got good soccer in him - well bred - thoroughbred - his older bro plays D1 and has seen him play. good players
do I hear LOL saying he is not sure if he can go to a game? get off the floor and go watch a game and you will see for yourself how good these kids are...serious-dont laugh
I think Hopkins Friday night will provide the best entertainment of all the sites. Apple Valley vs SLP and Bloomington Jefferson vs Stillwater
Guys what ur should be talking about is the upcoming games... WB saga is over he won it, Mr soccer!!!! it cant be change even though lot of us wasn't happy but thats it. Dula is a good player but he didn't help his team this season, thats why he didn't won the award.
10:14 you are sooo right, it about time we enjoy the rest of the season!!!!
"Anonymous said...
WB is for real and don't bash him. I love the kid - he is got good soccer in him - well bred - thoroughbred - his older bro plays D1 and has seen him play. good players
21/10/08 9:32 PM"
soccer breeding...linage...in blood...
LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
Shutdown Osseo midfield and you shutdown WB. They do all the work for him.
Osseo is no good people! Get real. WB is all they've got! Shut WB down and they're done.
Based on QRF score, St.Louis Park should take out Apple Valley. Interesting.
I've got Friday off so I'm planning to be at both games. Jefferson shouldn't have problems with Stillwater. St.Louis Park vs Apple Valley is a toss up.
Friday night at Hopkins will be the best night of soccer. Thursday night Osseo and Coon Rapids will cruise in the rain. Friday night both games should be very close and the weather is meant to be better. I will take AV in pk's and BJ 1-0.
The best night would be semifinals IMO. Osseo vs Coon Rapids and Apple Valley vs Jefferson.
What's with WB used as decoy?
MG coaches got out-coached?
Can't believe Osseo coaches would take WB out of action 2nd half. That was one gutsy call.
Here's article on WB used as decoy:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/31359299.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUeyD8_o8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
That was one gutsy call when only down 1-0 at half. Plenty of time to score and they let WB standing.
It took them 30 minutes to score the first and then second came in 2 minutes after.
I would say MG coaches got out-coached! They didn't see it coming and going.
Interesting tactics.
Mounds Park 2 Totino-Grace 1
Lourdes 3 Breck 1
Anon 5:17- 21/10/08
You are pathetic. I may be pathetic for me even replying to someone as twisted and confused as you are. Your hatred and jealousy for anything and everything relating to SE is not surprising, as success breeds contempt, but what IS surprising is how you explicitly state how you come here to read about young, talented soccer players getting bashed by their inferior peers and/or jealous parents (even worse by the way). I am taking it you are a player at the youth level as your spelling and grammar and just basic lack of tolerance could not indicate otherwise.
Enjoy your remaining months/years playing for mediocre club and HS teams. If all you have left is reading about players better than you trying to make it getting bashed, than I feel sorry for you. If not, go outside, practice your game, and get better, cause MN could use more talent, not individuals of your kind (players or parents) trying to bring down our hardworking coaches and players
It's interesting that:
- the 2008 Mr. Soccer was a U16 player.
- many consider the junior from Totino Grace to be the best player. He too was a U16 player.
- some say that the Mr. Soccer winner, who scored all kinds of goals this fall, was limited in the U16 Premier League.
- a U16 player lit up a bunch of U17 players this fall in high school but was limited while playing in the U16 league last summer.
- a number of the best U16 players didn't play high school soccer this fall because they are playing elsewhere at a higher level.
I think this is further evidence that the U16 age group and the U16 league from 2008 is probably the strongest this state has seen in many, many years.
Seven starters from the number one ranked team in the state also played U16 last summer
It's good to see WB as the BEST U16 player. Better than Paul Yonga.
Both boys are exceptional talents but let us remember that one is a midfielder and the other is a striker! Different skills sets but equally as important to how they impact a team! Same problem when you compare CM to a Mike H!Bottom line is how these boys are able to elevate their game and their team during the big ones! The real issue for Osseo is no team has ever won a state championship after having allowed 33 GOALS in a given season!The new goalie has allowed 6 after only 6 games and now he has to face some teams that can pressure their backline! I am sure Lakeville N has seen this and will try to exploit this weakness.
WB was not a decoy. All they did was move him to the outside, which got him more space for his 1-1 skills. He was still a star. MG didn't triple team him--he would just dribble up the middle, forcing multiple defenders to collapse on him. Do you think it would have been a close game if MG left two Osseo players wide open?
Yonga is way better than WB if you seen them play in the summer against good competion the difference is clear.
2:43, I agree.
More power to WB for carrying a team that gives up so many goals to the state tournament. Imagine if he played for a better defensive team like Eden Prairie. Though I suppose he'd be substituted every 10 minutes then (sorry EP).
Maybe the best D is a good O.
Is 6 goals against in 6 games bad? That's news to me.
The goal scored by Maple Grove was a ridiculous free kick from thirty yds out that bounced over his head on grass.This kid was a field player they suited up because their regular goalie had already given up 27 goals. Maple Grove did not have any offense that could test the guy even though they exploited Osseo's right back.Park Center scored 2 goals in their section match which means if you can take shot at the guy, you will see that he is not a very good goalie.Osseo will need to dominate the midfield to protect this goalie!My point is, a team that gives up 33 goals means the defense is suspect and having an inexperienced goalie does not help!
Anybody know...How can you find out if a players name was even submitted for consideration for All State.
Who are the coaches on this years selection committees.
Thanks
CURIOUS
Here are my problems with the SE U16 2008 boys & JY/Kufray: 1) we have been hearing for years how they are so-o-o much better than any other age group in the state. The same thing we heard when JY older son played soccer. However, here are the facts they went to regionals and did well 1 year. One year is not a dynasty. As the other boys in the region caught up with the SE players who either matured early or have questionable birth certificates have become less dominate. (Why do you think so many of them did not stay at the Regional ODP camp?) 2) JY/Kufray have caused more destruction than any other two men in MN. They have rob parents or mislead parents (however you want to say it), destroyed clubs and have left a trail of broken teams behind them wherever they have gone spanning 10 years of MN Soccer. Remember this is not JY first time around the block, his older son benefited from some of the same stunts and tricks.
PY maybe a good soccer player, other than changing his last name, his dad reputation and actions will preceded him. The older son ended up playing in SD because of his dad. I would like to feel bad for the kid, but ever time somebody whines about how unfair it is for PY, I just cannot. Karma is the word that comes to mind.
I'm neutral but didnt SEagles go to the semis twice?Seems they were a very good team for two years at least.
Where is PY playing in 09?Did he go with the new Bangu?
Kufray is very selfish and destructive to others. He only cares for himself.
2:43 WB used as decoy and drew best defenders to him? If it wasn't for that then how those goals got there? Less experience defenders inside and KABOOM! That was a powerful header and left the sophomore GK crying...mama!
6:05-Yes they did go to the semis twice. In their first two years no one ever wrote anything about them-it was all Bangu and Wings chatter. As they had more increased success, people started to take notice and then the potshots started. Then some people heard about this blog and started to respond, probably not a good move in retrospect. Should have just stopped reading this or not "taken the bait."
PY is a skilled, unselfish, smart, TEAM player. He's a really great kid. All his SE buddies and families wish him the very best and will miss him.
Where's Kufray now? I hope he's not in charge of another team.
All that is true but Osseo has many strengths and many weaknesses. They attack very hard and when they do, teams get very scared. But, their #21 sucks, their left back plays like hes from the lost planet(and looks like it too), the bald kid in the center back who is now on the bench just can move the ball more than 10 feet, and their goalie got chipped from 40 yards out. If any of these weaknesses get expossed, osseo could be in big trouble against Lkvl North, who can put away goals right where their mama hides the cookie jar, like jedi knights on the attack against darth vader.
We're from lakeville north and we're licking our chops on this one. we gonna push everybody up. we only put 1 defender on wb. he ain't dangerous.
Any scores from tonight's games?
Let us remember both teams were knocked out in their first section game last year so this is unchartered territory for both lakeville N and Osseo. Even though Osseo is shaky defensively, Lakeville N also allowed 27 goals in the season and they have not faced an offensive team like Osseo. Mark WB with one guy and you will be toast!I think Osseo will win the middle on this match and advance but will be really challenged in the semis because of their defense.It should be exciting!
How about AA predictions
or odds
Apple Valley 3-1 to win it
Osseo 3-1 to win it
Jefferson 3-1 to win it
Coon Rapids 5-1 to win it
St Louis Park 5-1 to win it
Stillwater 20-1 to win it
Lakeville North 25-1 to win it
St Cloud Tech 30-1 to win it
Smart pick is Osseo
Whoever wins the Apple Valley/SLP vs Jefferson game wins the state championship. That semi final is the state championship game.
Lets pick an upset.
I will take SLP over AV
somehow I get this feeling that Jefferson people are already counting the chickens.
sue is counting my chickens
How many more ways to beat Osseo?
Plenty of ideas so far but we need more.
sue can count my chickens anytime anyday.
i love sue.
12:27pm
Again, if you really think he is only 16 I have some ocean front property to sell you -
I think it is really funny how everyone is picking SLP to beat the number one seed and nationally ranked #23 team in AV
Stillwater is a very good team
I doubt the Jaguars are overlooking any team
Totino Grace and Roch Lourdes won in Class A tonight
I think its even funnier that they are ranked #23 in the nation!
Club rankings are poor enough,high school rankings based on what?Silly,very silly.
Osseo gives up to many goals to win it. Look at the history of the Boys AA tourney and the teams that win it have given up the fewest goals.
Goals Against
Apple Valley 15
St Louis Park 18
Jefferson 15
Stillwater 17
Osseo 33
Lakeville North 27
Coon Rapids 13
Tech 15
kufray and JY is heading to cuba since being deported by the US immigration. they both had false papers and were indicated for federal rackeering charges. they spent time with tom petters as the se declares bankruptcy and find a new home. they both were also found guilty of palling with subversive elements fropm the early begiinings of MYSA. i am glads the us governmnenbt is investigating these guys for all their illegal activities. palling with radicals is something those of us who believe in tru soccer development cannot tolerate.
Does team score the most points win at the end of the game or give up the least point?
Yes. Both.
From QRF site:
Top 20 Records
1. Apple Valley (19-1)
2. Rochester Mayo (14-2)
3. Osseo (16-2)
4. Coon Rapids (16-2)
5. St. Louis Park (15-2)
6. Eden Prairie (15-2)
7. St. Cloud Tech (15-2)
8. Eagan (16-4)
9. Minneapolis Southwest (13-3)
10. St. Paul Central (14-4)
11. Stillwater Area (14-4)
12. Woodbury (11-3)
13. Brainerd (12-4)
14. Owatonna (12-5)
15. Tartan (11-4)
16. Bloomington Jefferson (12-4)
17. Minneapolis South (13-6)
18. Winona (10-5)
19. Cretin-Derham Hall (13-7)
20. Lakeville North (12-6)
Top 20 Goals Scored
1. Minneapolis South (4.7)
2. Minneapolis Southwest (3.5)
3. Osseo (3.4)
4. Eagan (3.1)
5. St. Louis Park (3.0)
6. Rochester Mayo (2.8)
7. Apple Valley (2.8)
8. St. Paul Central (2.8)
9. Coon Rapids (2.8)
10. Park Center (2.6)
11. Winona (2.3)
12. Lakeville North (2.3)
13. Cretin-Derham Hall (2.2)
14. Owatonna (2.2)
15. Woodbury (2.1)
16. Brainerd (2.1)
17. Eden Prairie (2.1)
18. Spring Lake Park (2.1)
19. Prior Lake (2.1)
20. St. Cloud Tech (2.0)
Top 20 Goals Allowed
1. St. Paul Central (0.5)
2. Eden Prairie (0.5)
3. Minneapolis Southwest (0.6)
4. Apple Valley (0.7)
5. St. Cloud Tech (0.7)
6. Bloomington Jefferson (0.8)
7. Coon Rapids (0.8)
8. Rochester Mayo (0.8)
9. Tartan (0.8)
10. Maple Grove (0.8)
11. Stillwater Area (0.8)
12. Edina (0.9)
13. St. Louis Park (0.9)
14. Eagan (1.0)
15. Brainerd (1.0)
16. Minneapolis South (1.1)
17. Wayzata (1.1)
18. Prior Lake (1.1)
19. Woodbury (1.1)
20. Centennial (1.1)
Top 20 Goals Differential
1. Minneapolis South (3.7)
2. Minneapolis Southwest (2.9)
3. St. Paul Central (2.3)
4. Eagan (2.1)
5. Apple Valley (2.1)
6. Rochester Mayo (2.1)
7. St. Louis Park (2.1)
8. Coon Rapids (2.0)
9. Osseo (1.8)
10. Eden Prairie (1.6)
11. St. Cloud Tech (1.2)
12. Brainerd (1.1)
13. Woodbury (1.1)
14. Edina (1.0)
15. Prior Lake (1.0)
16. Lakeville North (1.0)
17. Stillwater Area (0.9)
18. Tartan (0.8)
19. Winona (0.8)
20. Elk River (0.7)
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