No - I think it was the team doing MRL only. I think all MRL teams do not have to do the play-in game. However, if their status changed, then they would be subject to the play-in game.
I'm still wondering why Van's SLP team isn't Premier. Dakota Rev got their spot.
MYSA ruled they had an ineligible player and relegated them. Just like MYSA to punish the rest of the kids, instead of just removing the player from the team. Their decision making capability is laughable.
12:02: MYSA followed the rules, SLP didn't. The problem is deciding whether the team would have earned the Premier spot without the ineligible player.Because that is impossible to determine the team is punished . It is a team sport. You win and lose (on and off the field ) because of your TEAM. If a player was ineligible the whole team suffers. Coach ultimately let the other boys down. The buck stops with the coach !
@10:30 are you the parent who complained at SLP? How can you say the coach let them down? Coaches don't typically handle paperwork for registration. Parents and club registrars do this work. Can you point to the rule that says a team with an ineligible player is automatically relegated? I don't think there is one...but could be wrong. I believe an MYSA committee made that decision.
I've known Van for many years, he was a great player and a better person. I'm sure he put his trust in the registrar and like many MYSA clubs that registrar does not know the rules for foreign players or players moving from another state. These registrars do not know who's a resident or non-resident based on a registration form, they trust the information and provide an opportunity to a youth soccer player. I'm sure there are many more mistakes but you find irate parents and everyone suffers. Every year adults make mistakes that effect players nationwide, we just hope that whether you're a paid administrator or volunteer you try and protect the rights of players to participate. This should be a wake-call to all administrators and all parent at the expense of a great coach and talented group of players.
Whether Van is a great person, player or coach is not the issue. Just because he put his trust in the club registrar does not absolve him. People make mistakes and the coach should accept responsibility as the team leader.
MYSA should also accept responsibility. Why was the issue raised after the season? A foreign player's status should require some additonal checks and balances at the time of registration (at both the MYSA AND CLUB levels}.
@12:01 Your claims are false. Van does not require absolution. He is coaching for his love of the game and his desire to give back to youth. If you think his ego, or salary, or days gone by, attract him to coaching you are misguided. I have know Van for 9 years. As a coach and as a friend. Van embodies the spirit of State Cup, competition, measurement and ultimately disappointment, for most, or unbridled joy, for a lucky few. Although I believe your primary reason for posting on this blog is to irritate and infuriate, I will leave your comments for all to see. I considered removing them, but would rather use this opportunity to ask all posters to fully consider their words before posting. Opinion, wisdom and accounts of fair competition and courage are welcome, crass negativism is not.
MNF -- You are wrong. My primary reason was not infuriate or irritate. My only point is that I believe that a coach should take responsibility for his team. My post also stated that MYSA AND THE CLUB MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL. False claims -- what are you referring to? Crass negativism -- I don't think so. Raising the threat of waving your wand to remove my post is not too macho.
It's not the coaches' responsibility to check birth certificates,residency etc. Those responsibilities belong to the club board, registrar, managers etc. Coaches are there to train players not to perform administrative duties.
Whose responsibility is it? It all depends on what level you are at – age wise and skill wise. For the most part, the people who register the kids check the birth certificates along with the managers. The coach is there to coach – to teach the kids how to play soccer and possibly take them on a journey in life. Along that journey, there will be bumps in the road and you deal with them as you cross them. Hopefully, the kids will have a positive journey in soccer and I life.
Relegating a whole team just because of another adults screw up does not seem to fair to me, but look at what happened with MA and AK. (Not to bring this up in spite, but to bring this up for a point.) Because of their decisions, (And possibly only one coaches decision(s)), both teams got disqualified. Should the whole team have been disqualified? The girls just followed their coach’s instructions, the orders their leader and commander gave them. Really, only one team followed instructions, the other team did nothing wrong! This is kind of the same thing, MYSA decided to toot their horn and try to show who was boss, which in reality; they just screwed over a bunch of innocent kids. Did the rest of the kids know what was going on? Did everyone on the team agree to bring this ineligible player on to the field? Just like, did MA or AK’s players agree to throw a game? Did they all say: Heck ya, let’s throw this game! Or did the boys say – heck ya, let’s bring this kid on our team, we know he is too old, but so what! – Not so sure that happened.
MYSA is not looking at the whole picture here and they are just punishing people (mainly kids) regardless of the total consequence. I would ask that they look at their own kids and state to their selves, if that were my kid, what would I do?!?! What would I want done? How would I react?
A good majority of people on the MYSA board have never played soccer and do not have a clue about the sport. Being on the MYSA board is their way of “giving back to the community” and “trying to be involved”.
One thing I will agree with is – this is a blog. MNF, try not to take it personally; it is just people stating their opinions. That’s all! Kind of part of owning a blog, There was no swearing, no name calling and no calling kids out – these are your rules, correct?!?! Let people express their self’s. That way, we all get to see how people think, how creative they are and what their real opinions are. It makes others think as well. Again, it is just a blog and these are just people’s words. Nothing more and nothing less.
Take care and good luck to all the soccer players in state cup!
@5:53 The commentary removed was insidious, in that it was the same poster (maybe you?) trying to re-make the same derogatory comment over and over. Your last post was also insidious as it tries to compare purposeful game fixing and known over age player rostering to the SLP event. Inferring that an adult consciously made the decision to go against the spirit of competition and/or MYSA rules.
If you read the stated facts in Van's and other posts you should understand that they are not comparable. An absence of awareness (by SLP), then an unclear MYSA policy, then a questionable MYSA decision was the course of events.
As blog owner, I have the right to remove commentary for any reason. Many other blogs go so far as to require verifiable user credentials to participate; and some even then review and selectively publish each and every comment. I keep this blog more open and provide significant leeway in opinion and commentary. In general, posts attributed to a real person (not anon) will receive even more leeway.
If you have interest in discussing blog free speech in more detail, I invite you to introduce yourself at a soccer event and we can discuss youth soccer topics at your leisure.
MNF – Take it easy! The above posts do NOT compare game fixing and over age rostering. What it does compare are the decisions that MYSA makes which affects the youth athletes who love to play the game. That is all, nothing more. I think they are on your side - or at least they use to be.
Yes, you have the right to do whatever you want with your blog. All that is being said is people are following the rules you have set forth.
If the player in question was not on last year's SLP team, would the team have won enough games to secure premier status? Should the team that was second to SLP in the premier status ladder be penalized? What is the whole picture? What factors did MYSA consider in making their decision?
I agree that 3/22/12 5:53 AM's comparison to MA and AK is a joke.
Read the post, it is not a comparison to MA and AK, it is a comparison of the different situations on how MYSA did the exact same thing, based on what a bunch of adults decided to do or not do. Maybe you are on the MYSA board.
It doesn't matter anymore. Point being, no one like the way MYSA does things.
Top teams can other than at U16 and U18. Although the majority of the U17 team plays on the U16 DA team as well. The way the DA divides age groups makes this possible because of birthyear.
U15 age group will be more competitive than the last few years. Playing field has been leveled due to 3 or 4 key players moving to USSDA 16s. MTA,SCV,LKVL,SPU semi finals. Anyone can win at this age group this year. Ouside of these four and maybe Blackhawks first few rounds will be a yawn. Best final for boys.
IF Mukwelle plays, MTA U15 got 95 percent chance of winning it again but if he doesn't play, it's 50/50 with everyone else. The other U16 players that drop down to play with them doesn't do much. One player does make that much different in a team.
U13 - MTA or St. Croix (no one else is close - winter scrimmages were very competitive) U14 - MTA (no one else is close - I've watched all of the premier teams scrimmage each other this winter) U15 - MTA (saw them scrimmage SCV U16 Premier and dominiate them w/o Mukwelle) Passing is too good and too much team speed.
Ill informed. USSDA U15 players who are playing up cannot drop back down to help with the State Cup team if they are FT. They stay with their USSDA schedule and their U16 teams. There are only two that are playing up as full time academy players in the state one at MTA one at Shattuck. Mukwelle is out of state and would play on academy not U15 when he returns from residency. The rest are develpomental players rostered on U16 USSDA they can play at the Cup.
No FT USSDA players are eligible in the registration year for non-USSDA events or play. Period. PT players are always eligible. PT players can play on any team where they meet the residency, registration and age requirements.
U13-MTA or SCV: Most complete teams with a couple outstanding players U14-MTA: Other teams are not as strong overall. Sleeper team is MU. U15-MTA or SPU: MTA lost Mukwelle and Max, gained Aneyso and Eddie. SPU won last matchup at USA Cup with Max, Mukwelle, Aneyso and Patrick. U16-??Open to me, maybe MU again or another sleeper team. Not impressed with the level at this age. U17-MTA: They should take care of this age.
U13- SCV beat blue 3-0 in the fall but hasn't played them since U14- MTA no one is really close, not a very strong age group. MU would be next U15- MTA with either SPU or SCV in the final with them. The rest of the age group is a step down from those teams. U16- SCV based on what I heard about their scrimmages vs MU recently U17- MTA
13 blue over SCV, to many weapons for blue 14 blue over MU, MU is close but blue is deeper 15 blue over SCV, SCV is much improved from last yr 16 MU over SCV, SCV keeper is hurt I hear 17 EP over dark horse Valley
When and where? Can't seem to find that anywhere...that goes for their premier and mrl team. Interesting how many teams are being thought as possible winners at 17's.
Please though, enlighten us on when and where because I cannot seem to find that anyplace.
U15 will be SPU... MTA will be kind of a challenge but at the USA cup MTA had all their best players and practily 18 year olds on their team but SPU still beated them 2-0 also on the other hand SCV will not be a challenge. I think that SCV has not improved lately they may have gotten lucky in the past.... If you look at MTA they didn't even do good in the MRL premier league and right now SPU is in first place... SPU will take state cup this year and the MRL league no doubt
MTA/SPU 15s Final - SPU won last match. SPU lost there center midfielder to Shattuck -but kept the forward who scored the two goals in Schwanns Cup. MTA lost two also to USSDA and struggle regionally without them I have heard. SCV did tie MTA in State Cup though. This will be a fun group but best three players have moved on to 16s Academy. Should be a heckuva final.
Please leave SPU out of this blog, if you are a parent who brag about SPU, please take them out and if you are someone who try to post as SPU members, please stop. Everyone will have a shot at State Cup, all depend on who will show up and who will have a better game. Let's go out and support these kids like a true parent should be, winning or losing...
Yes everyone does have a shot at the state cup but lets not leave anyone out just yet. This blog is getting interesting lets see what SPU can do to back up their talk and also let's see what MTA can also do...... This year will be very interesting
I dont think those comments are from SPU boys Or MTA boys. I Think its from parents who doesn't know how to show respect to one another just to make the teams look bad and sound cocky to show bad reputation. Anyways, here are my state cup prediction: U13- St. Croix U14- MTA Blue U15- Its a hard decision to pick but i think MTA are looking good right now. U16- MTA or Minneapolis United U17- MTA
If you guys are a member of SPU or Parents of SPU, Please Stop posting up these blogs on this website. We do not want to have any issue with any club. Any team can have a shot at the state cup.
I Think we should kick you out because you seem to have some problems with SPU? Are you scared they might prove you wrong in the state cup? Well let's just let the game do the talking than this blog... My picks:
But imagine if spu has the facilities, coaching staffs, and etc, like all those academy team has..... from what I heard, they are almost like a neighborhood recreational team only, but they are surely making some noises against all those high profile expensive clubs. Perhaps we all should show some support instead of bashing them.
SPU are not making any noise against academy teams. They don't play DAP teams. The play the 3rd or 4th team from the same club, not the DAP teams. MTAs teams that you are playing is their 3rd team. 30 players on in MTA 15-16 Academy.
Playing against MTA's 3rd team? The Academy team consists of 95/96 players. The majority of their players on the roster are 95's. There are only a handful of players eligible to play for the U15 MTA Blue team. I don't think it you are correct when saying it is their 3rd team. Ask the players on their team and see what they think of it. Many of the U15's from other DA clubs also do not have DA teams at this age. They would be in the same boat where they have a handful of players sent up to play DA, but the majority of the U15's stay. If it was MTA's third team, I would say they shouldn't even win their group at State Cup.
Very true, if it's MTA 3rd teams that are playing state cup, MTA will have no chance.. Don't kid yourself 10:02, we are not fool and we know all the best player in MTA. You just make MTA look bad cause of your stupid comment.
Are you serious, MTA 3rd teams? I know you are not high or are you? I know MTA have some very good players but to say their 3rd teams can beat any premier or even c1 teams in Minnesota is a little crazy. Let me say this, academy doesn't mean you have all the best player in Minnesota, just kids with rich parents. If MTA does pick the best players out of Minnesota, you or your kid would be one of it.
7:12 is correct. The two MTA teams that play in state Cup will be the first and second (blue/white) team at 15s. There is only one 97' in the state playing on the DA team at MTA. All the rest are on the 15s blue team. The team has only won 2 games in the Midwest Developmental League lots of ties, look it up they are OK in the region. Next year the DA team for MTA 16s will be mostly 96s, a few 97s, the rest of the team stays in place. This age group is wide open for State Cup, best age to watch. SPU, SVC and LKVL all have shot and the top two will both go to Regions. 10:02 also correct. A few strong players in the state do not go DA, but the best soccer in the country is played at this level. MTA is supposed to financially support all players at this level so it is not just the pay to play philosophy. That is how it is supposed to go down, reality, I doubt it.
I have nothing to do with MTA. That said, MTA's 3rd team will get out of their group. I coached DAP team at Chicago Magic for 3 years, now living in MN. I am amazed that the overly proud and boastful parents of the local clubs, arguing about who's team is best. I agree that SPU, SCV and LAK have a chance, even a good chance at 15s. But, none of these local club player will ever play professionally, or D1 college for that matter. I have no problem with you celebrating your championship...just realize that MN State cup for boys is effectively a small step above a rec league in most other metro areas. MN Girls state cup is close to being the same. ENCL is where all the college coaches go...I know, as I scout for 4 top women;s college programs.
Northfield have a good chance of beating SPU. They have this really good forward who can dribble and shoot. When we played them last year, their goalkeeper is super short. All you have to do is chip over him the your job is done.
If you are Magic ex coach, why are you comment in this blog. What do you care of what said in this blog and why do you say no other club kids can make it to D1 school beside MTA. Any real coach would not say stuff like that to any other club, I guess you are just a pretender not a real coach. Real coach teach kids not discourage them and you are exactly that. Maybe you should go back to chicago.
Amen to that! All the kids are still young and college is still not even within their sight. Everyone is playing for fun, not for a chance to get into a fancy college or a professionally team. Education is the key for these kids, not sport. Most will not make it to the big leagues, but maybe a lucky few will. What matters is that they have fun and make new friends along their journey to adulthood.....
This guy or gal who claims to be an Ex-Magic coach is not very bright.
There are always players who make Division I teams that do not play DA.
ENCL must be a different league, I've heard of the ECNL, but not your made up league.
The reason you are no longer coaching Magic is probably because you are so closed minded about player potential and ability that you got released for letting other clubs in Chicago like Chicago Fire and Sockers take all the better players.
No longer a coach because the pay was so poor. I didn't say only MTA players make D1, I said that most MN boys who play D1 have played in the DAP. Yes, non-DAP players play D1 all the time. Few MN boys play D1 without participating in the top competitive level. A few recently who played NPSL, then junior college, are or will be playing D1. If you think there are many, feel free to list them so that all can see my un-brightness. Your tact of insulting/shooting the messenger was very popular with the Nazis.
I don't think the message was intended for the messager, but for the water boy who thought he was a coach. The past don't mean crap, and the future is still unknown. Almost everyone who plays in this sport is still young and their potential is still unknown.
I love my life even if its in the basement. I do not have high expectation and a negative ego like u. Soccer is for recreational purposes only. They keep the kids healthy. Education is the key to the future my friend. I do not need them to play on a fancy team or play at college to satisfy my happiness......
Education is not the key to ones future. Hard work and determination, willingness to change and adapt, desire to always improve, these are the keys to the future. Eduction is a path some follow as another opportunity to demonstrate hard work, determination, etc.
How was the first weekend of State Cup for the U13 and U14's? Any surprises/sleepers or did the teams that were supposed to win, take care of business?
Surprising to see U13 St. Croix tie Arsenal. Arsenal looked to be playing defensively, but it worked. MTA must be happy with this result as they cruised to an easy victory.
Ask Bill Gates or Steve Jobs about their keys to success...education will not be on the list. Personal responsibility, hard work, self determination, ability to adapt and change, these are the keys to success. To many people list to liberal pablum...key to success is education. I disagree...along with most highly successful people in this country...except those, like our President, who has a tax payer funded ivy league degree, book deal and rise through politics all based on affirmative action.
Steve is dead. The Bill Gates Foundation states that "our mission is to dramatically improve education so that all young people have the opportunity to reach their full potential. We seek to ensure that all students graduate from high school ready for college and career and prepared to complete a postsecondary degree or certificate with value in the workplace."
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates may not have had a college degree, but they were educated. You do not create operating systems for computers based on personal responsibility, hard work, self determination or work ethics, sorry, it just does not happen that way.
Whether it is from college, high school or life, you have to have some type of education.
Surprising league result from last night in U-17 boys. Lakeville over Eden Prairie. EP was mentioned a couple times as a potential favorite in that age group.
Rain every year in State Cup. Maybe they should move to March instead of April. Beside the rain, the first round for u15 goes to MTA blue, SPU, Blackhawk, Maple Grove, PSA, and a tie between St. Croix and MTA white. Round two begin this Saturday. Good luck to all.
Group A MTA-Blue vs Maplebrook (4-0 MTA) Edina vs Woodbury (1-0 Edina)
Group B Lakeville vs Northfield (2-2) SPU vs PSA (1-0 SPU)
Group C MU vs St. Croix (4-2 St. Croix) Blackhawks vs MTA-White (4-1)
MTA Blue and SPU both have won their groups. Groups C Winner will be decided next week, but Blackhawks has an upperhand with 2 wins and need only a tie to advance. Wildcard will be interesting with many teams still alive. Lakeville seems to be biggest bust, I hope they beat PSA next week to makeup for everything.
What a dumb prediction! Spu already beat the Blackhawks 3-1 two weeks ago according to the league standing How are St.croix and the Blackhawks going to beat Spu by two goals? Maybe by 1 goal if they are lucky enough, but doubt that will ever happen.
Bracket B is the weakest u say. Lets see, SPU, Lakeville, PSA are in premier, Bracket C, Blackhawk, St. Croix and MTA white in premier, Bracket A, well, lets just say only MTA blue worth mention. Everyone else in state cup is c1. Doesn't take a genius to figure out which bracket is the weakest.
In the U13's, it was expected to have MTA-Blue or SCV win that group, but SCV certainly lost alot with a tie in their first game. MU won group B, with SPU taking the Wildcard. Neither team lost a game nor let in a goal all tournament. PSA won a weak Group C.
U14's MTA-Blue should win, no real surprises in this group
U15's MTA and SPU advanced, both are top teams. Blackhawks look good but need to at least tie to advance. Should come down to SPU and MTA in final.
U16's SCV has won group A and Edina won group B. MTE look bad and will not advance. Blaine is in good shape with their last game against WBL, while PSA face a good DRev team.
U17's All competitive games this year. MTA and SCV will play for Group A, Wayzata has an outside chance if MTA and SCV tie. RSC is in good shape in group B but SCV plays an easier opponent in BHK, while RSC plays EDP. NSSA advanced from group C.
U18's SSM, PSA, MTW and SCV have all advanced. Last group games remain for seeding.
I hope the weather stay great for the rest of the tournament. Good luck to all.
Totally Agree with how much EP is Missing Wayne. He left them with all the tools and structure for the developemnt to continue but that has been totally dismantle by not only the current DOC and his crew but the president of EP operates the club like his monarchy ......he lacks the leadership, confidence, and soccer prowess for the club to function like it once did when a Soccer DOC with suburb talents and training methods ran the club
Wow how dumb are you people? Leadership is measure by how an organization performs once the leader leaves. He was a dismal failure. His style was to con/threaten players into thinking they wouldn't play HS soccer if they left the EP club...how is that leadership? Let's not forget the letters to players...we all have a copy...Don't worry he is surely ruining a club wherever his landed. BTW, thanks Wayne for posting as Anon and trying to make it look like you actually had support.
They never were a factor. A team every couple of years that could compete. They are just like PRL or WYZ or NFD that get lucky and can compete at 1 age group, in 1 gender. Wow! With the largest HS in the state who refuse to split into 2 HS just so that can compete at sports....what a joke!
5/14 1006 stated " Leadership is measure by how an organization performs once the leader leaves"
Not in a volunteer organization that is run by people who only think they know soccer. The foundation for training and development was all there for it to be built on. The current "builders" construct something new and different without using the foundation that was there while using wholely inadeqaute building materials.
If you know soccer, and you know anything about the training / development of a player/ team that Wayne institutes you would realize how inaccurate your statements are.
@5/14/12 10:09 PM - Building new schools for the purpose of dividing a larger school is not always the most financial and long term prudent thing to do.
New school structures does not necessarliy equate to better education.
EP..puke, spit, vomit some more...has always been a joke. WH a club director that crossed the line threatening HS kids to build teams...even having the great Tomass speak on his behalf does not undo the damage. A good technical trainer does not equal a good coach and certainly does not equal a respectable club. WH certainly could raise a handful of players games, he could not prepare coaches, could not manage and organize, he could not lead...all requirements for a DOC for a rich suburban club. He was a decent coach, he was a disaster as a DOC.
A nice little community club that knew it's role in player and team development
Winning and tactically superior teams as a coach
Smarter and Better Skilled players as a trainer
Winning teams as a player and teammate
Improved Referees as a referee and referee mentor
Sharing the Love for the game in all the contact points from above.
I still keep in contact (not phony Facebook contact)with about 10 former college teammates ......if you were ever a player you will understand the bond and importance of this building block.
Impressive Tom ass, reads like a resume. I agree 100% with the last item. It would be helpful to have some reference points or objective benchmarks for the first 5 items.
Ah that would take all the fun out of it. Do your proper research and fact checking if it's that important to you, but I can sleep at night knowing it is not a bunch of yahoo.
Coach Education: In total I did 117 coaching clinics for the club, all documented and shared with the coaches. How many clubs currently do clinics on a regular basis (or at all) for their coaches? Please let me know. At my last two clinics for the club (I know this because I kept records) and after 9 years I had respectively 56 and then 65 coaches attend; just from EPSC. If I was no good do you think after 9 years they would still be coming in these numbers for what was a voluntary clinic? Actually there were a few paid coaches who didn’t attend because they already knew it all; apparently; but the rest, many who were parent coaches; and who became great coaches; they still wanted to improve themselves. In Conclusion, a person said to me one day, who I didn’t know, that he had heard good things and bad things about me so stated: SO YOU MUST BE DOING YOUR JOB RIGHT. And that is the case in any walk of life, you get MR.ANGRYS EVERYWHERE, and if you do your job correctly you will ultimately a attract enemies because you didn’t give them what they wanted, and especially in youth sport because too many like MR.ANGRY BLAME THE COACH OR DOC FOR THAT MATTER FOR THE LACK OF ABILITY OF THEIR OWN CHILD. And don’t want to own up to the fact that maybe it is their own genes they passed on that is the problem. I have 4 names in my head who you could be, enlighten us all who you are then I can share what this is really all about to everyone but of course you won’t because you don’t want to be exposed do you. COME ON, DON’T BE A COWARD, WHO ARE YOU? Everyone here will know if you don’t tell us. Been nice to revisit I hope EPSC all the good in the world; and know that I gave it a great foundation to build upon. Even thought they did not continue my work at all, despite the fact I created a vast amount of information for them to use, they declined; why; I expect because they wanted to put in place a new identity; then fair enough, I still hope all goes well; and the proof of the pudding is in the eating; so make your own mind up on the before, during and after my presence. I am still in Elba pretending to be Napoleon and drinking red win.
This was MR. ANGRYS comment above: So Angry lad, you had better get in touch the the NSCAA because I am educating coaches on their coaching courses. Here is what the DOC of the club I did it at thought:
Wayne and Joe,
On behalf of the Carlsbad Wave coaching staff, I would like to thank you for the fantastic training we received during the NSCAA Junior Level 6 Diploma this past weekend here in Carlsbad.
I am very thankful to have my staff work with such excellent educators such as yourselves, and your differing styles complemented the course very well.
I feel that my staff are now much better equipped to educate our players this season, and our club and players will benefit hugely from this experience.
Many of my staff have commented how much they enjoyed the training, and I would like to explore the opportunity to host the National Diploma in the future, as we continue to push ourselves and the club forwards with coach and player education.
I have attached Sundays photo.
Thanks again,
Steve Cowell Director Of Coaching – CWFC
There again it was probably meant for Joe; not me Eh.
THIS WAS THE START OF MY REPLY BUT IT DID NOT COME THROUGH SO TRYING AGAIN.
I was told Mr. ANONYMOUS ANGRY is still crying about me. I was last on here 4 years ago, my one and only time. NO ANON needed; this is Wayne Harrison, unlike Mr. ANGRY I will put my name to this. Come on ANGRY PERSON, who are you? Reason you won’t say is because then I will know who your son or daughter was; who wasn’t good enough to make it; and then I could tell all the subscribers here what this is really all about. If you do not tell me your name then we will all know THIS IS THE REASON. I rest my case. But you are a coward aren’t you; hiding behind your mouse. A mouse behind a mouse. The Letter: please publish here as it doesn’t exist; and if you do publish something it will be you writing it. If it was the case, which is wasn’t, and then no one in their right mind would put what you suggest on paper anyway, so stop making up stories ANGRY BOY (or GIRL). HS Soccer: About half my roster of players was from clubs outside EPSC. So no substance to that argument. Can you show me if this is wrong Mr. Angry? EPSC being a poor club: We had 7 Premier teams, the most of ANY club in the State except MTA. So that is failure? The STATISTICS DON’T LIE; compare my record to previous to me; and after me now; and tell me, was I successful? 32 teams when I arrived in 2000, 65 when I left in 2009; so no one supported me then? Doubled the revenue of the club; through attracting players to a structured educational process for coaches and players.
UAE: In the UAE (United Arab Emirates; incase Mr. A doesn’t know what that is) in my 2 years there (a great experience by the way likely MR A hasn’t left Minnesota to know there is actually a world out there) we won 7; yes SEVEN; NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS AT YOUTH LEVEL. THE TOP ACADEMY IN THE MIDDLE EAST RUN BY YOUR OWN DOC, ME. These are the FACTS MR. ANGRY; nor hearsay like you spout. I dedicate my 11th published book on Soccer Coaching to Mr. Angry, send me your address and I will send you a copy, you can throw darts at it and feel good about yourself. A Consultant from Inter Milan, Marco Monte (you can have his e mail if you like and ask him) voted our club THE NUMBER ONE PROFESSIONAL ACADEMY THERE, and likened us as the nearest club there was to the top academies in Europe and stated it was through MY work as the DOC in the tactical team changes I brought to the systems of play of the teams (yes the same one who did so poorly at EPSC, amazing eh). By the way Mr. Angry Inter Milan is one of the top 5 clubs in the professional soccer world just so you know. Back to the High school, in the fall for our younger teams in EPSC, this DOC; who doesn’t do his job according to you, made sure we had ALL THE YOUNGER TEAMS TRAIN TOGETHER TWICE A WEEK. Just to remind everyone, I would send a coaching session out to all the coaches, we would all come together at Franlo Fields, I would do a clinic AND then ALL the teams and their coaches would do it; and we could watch and observe and help. Is this not attention to detail? This is what DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT, creating a learning environment and a developmental model for everyone TO WORK TOWARDS IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY.
Lots of people get slammed on this site, yet Wayne is the only one who needs to come in here to justify how great he is. Get over yourself little guy, you are a good coach but you have a long way to go with being humble.
Most successful people have healthy egos. I don't think Mr. Harrison lacks in having humility. I believe he was just refuting the falsehoods against him
Facts are Facts - it ain't bragging if you can do it.
Yup, Wayne has a good resume but he needs to grow up and get over himself. His insecurity clearly showed when he threatened EP kids about not playing varsity if they left epsc,
6:52 MTA loses a lot of talent in the u15 an older age groups because of the USDA, they top players do not play in state cup. So yes, St Croix is dominant in this age groups but MTA is dominant U13-u15 as St Croix has no teams in the finals and MTA should win all three.
Wow. Where did SCV come from? Everyone knows about their U18s but who knew they were strong everywhere? At least on the boys side...their only strong girls team is their 18s. What makes a club strong only on one side?
Top, only two from U15 that are playing in USSF Dev. Academy. Please, don't make it sound like they lose all the best player for the academy. Never get old with MTA.
7:14, So you don't think the MTA U15 team would be a lot better with the best two U15 players in the state playing with them this year? (the U17 national team player and the U15 national team player) Let's get real.
it takes money to receive exposure. many talented kids don't have the financial resources to keep paying to be playing; therefore, DAP or ODP, etc. all those programs actually don't have all the best players on their squads to represent the state of Minnesota. It's sad, but very true...this is America. Land of dreams. You need money or else a lucky break!!!
I don't need to enlighten you. The guy below just did. Please, don't bring up those because they are but nothing more than a politic game. That's right, most MTA players are that way, sorry to say but its true. Some even paying for scholarship player just to be on the team.. how sad..
If MTA truly pick the best player in Minnesota, they should have no problem playing against other state such as Illinios or Michigan. See why they can't compete against bigger club cause they don't have the best player in state.
You wouldn't understand cause you are probably one of those parent who paid for other kids so your kid can stay with top MTA teams. I feel sorry for you.
The USSF Development Academy holds free trials in every Academy location each year. Finances aren't an issue. Have your players who are good enough to belong on the US Youth National teams show up and prove they should be Youth National Team players. Contact the USSF Academy and ask them when they'll be in Minnesota next. Send your kids. IT'S FREE!
its free at the tryouts but if you make it, it will come with a price, just like odp.....not many parents of good players can pay, that is if they have a parent.
I give you one good example, one of your own MTA kid that is playing for MTA u15 blue team. How come he didn't make it. Are you saying he is less skill than those two. Are you people really that blind? How come he didn't get explosure like those two? Please, I can name more if you like but I won't cause I'm taking to MTA people here.
1:19, If he's on the MTA U15 Blue team then he was at the same events as the 2 kids from that team who were selected for the US Youth National teams. I think you should ask the folks from USSF about it because they do the selections. The MTA coaches have nothing to do with it.
2:12 - That is not entirely true. MTA coaches funnel up names to national and region scouts. Look at a program like ID2. Recommendations are made by current coaches and submitted based on coaches recommendations, Players are scouted at sanctioned events based on coaches feedback and recommendations, I took that right off the website. Coaches also make recommendations to the US Soccer Scouts for training camps. Coaches play a large part in this, therefore can bias enter in, yes. When my son went through ODP five years ago, the clubs had very little influence on the selections and the ODP caoches did not interact with the parents. Seemed to be a much fairer system. To say the MTA coaches have no influence is competely incorrect.
Number of teams participating is irrelevant. The previous posters stats show that even without ENCL teams and DAP teams, MTA is far a head of other clubs for quality of teams and players. Certainly, other clubs have the best team at an age group/gender and I would not expect the gap to be as large in championships won.
@Wayne and not the Angry Man, but can’t pass up a chance to throw some thoughts into the discussion...Your claims of premier team growth would be no different than MUS, VLY, WNG, PSA, SCV, BHK or even MTA for that matter. I don’t have access to the data but would bet that most had similar or better % growth and some had better overall number growth. Doubling revenue, same, many clubs had double or triple the revenue in that timeframe. All had significant growth in that time frame. It was a massive growth period for youth soccer in MN.
As for competitiveness of your teams, how many state cups were won by all those premier teams during your tenure, compared to other clubs? How many division 1 players were developed, again compared to other clubs? How many players placed in the ODP Regional pool or national pool? These are factors that clubs are measured by. I’m not sure you would want to take credit for developing MN referees as MN is know to have one of the worst group in the Midwest. I am also not sure you would want to take credit for developing coaches at EP, because they sure don’t seem to be producing as you pointed out. As for you books, which BTW I have skimmed several, could be regurgitate FA text books? They aren’t bad and I would even recommend them to a beginning coach.
You seemed to be very specific in stating that there “was no letter”…so are you admitting that you verbally coerced or told players that they had a better chance to play HS Soccer in EP if there were in the club? Please elaborate.
I’m glad things going well for you at UAE (probably had strong leader just before you.) Where were you for the 2 years in between? How did that go?
I do disagree with earlier assertions that you were useless. But, I just don’t think you were anything special or different than any of the other top 10 DOCs in the same era. The lack of top quality developed players from EP speaks volumes…doesn’t it? Lastly, I think your post has re-affirmed your ego reputation. I can’t recall anyone else on this or any other blog tooting their own horn and saying look at what I did (as if it were something different than 10 other DOCs in the same era.)
MTA is the biggest club in the state of minnesota. duh?? if they didn't have the largest # of teams in the semi-s, they'd be walking away with their heads between their legs. they enter at the very minimum 1-2 teams per age group...hmm?? other smaller clubs, such as SPU enter 2...let me REPEAT that...2 total teams to State Cup!!! Both of their teams makes the semi-finals. Now do the metrics and measurements, moron! and for those of you born and raised in the good USA and say money doesn't matter, get real?! at USSF camps, the MTA coaches are already buddy-buddy with the scouts who come in to run the camps. it doesn't take a genious to figure out what is really happening...money talks!!! it's how the real world works!! if your parents can't fork over a check every time they're asked to keep you moving forward in the national selection, then you can kiss your chances good bye!!
MTA is nowhere near the largest club in the state. MTA also has the largest % of players on scholarship. Go to MYSAs web site and count teams. They are the 7th largest club in the state. SPU will not win a title at either age group. The top U15 players at SPU are probably already asking for spots on the academy team. You will quickly learn that the athletic players on the 2 SPU teams at state cup will be by pasted with skill, technique and dedication by players from most other clubs. You will also be surprised that your MRL team budget is probably the same as any MRL MTA, SCV or MUS team.
Lets see UAE population 5.1 million, MN population 5.4 million. Sounds like Wayne is finally winning some state cup equivalent titles. After a few more years of success he will be qualified to be the DOC at SCV, MUS, PSA, MTA or SSM...wow!
Honestly, MTA does a great job on the Girls side and I admire what they produce there. The boys side is where I don't care for. Most coaches promise to do everything for players, but once the player is no longer good enough, they drop them and forget that they even exist. They then pitch the same offer to the next stud of another competitive team and repeat the cycle. It is sad but true.
They try to take credit for player development of players who play for MTA for the U17/U18 ages when they spent the majority of their developing years at another club. Most of these players feel MTA is the only way to get exposure with the current US Soccer structure that they hop on board. MTA takes advantage of the players guilty conscience and uses it to their advantage.
MTA is doing what it needs to maintain elite status. I don't believe they can take credit for all player development, but the ability to gather up the majority of the states best. Would other clubs do the same thing if they were in MTA's shoes????
9:24, Look at the MTA U13, U14, and U15 boys teams. Most of those players have been in the club for several years. One other thought...when does player development stop? Does it ever stop? Don't players continue to develop at U17? U18? Don't players develop and improve all through college years? Is a 1st year pro player a "finished" product or do they continue to develop? In my opinion a player needs to train with the best as often as possible to continue to develop to his full potential.
Wow...MTA bashing every year! My boy is with MTA...has been since 8yrs old. I choose to play him there for access to year round training in quality facility with high caliber trainers. 5 years ago, no other club had this. Now, many clubs have an "Academy" type training regimen. All good for Minnesota so I don't knock any clubs out there. Someday, we may have many high quality clubs in Minnesota and that will make soccer here even more competitive. No club, even MTA, has done a good enough job yet, in my opinion, but they are trying. I'm glad other clubs are starting to have the "Academy" feel to it (ie SCV, MUS).
I'll give you my personal experience. Two equally talented boys (now 17yrs old). Both under privileged in terms of financial. Both played for the same team with MTA. Both had great support from the coaches and other parents on the team. Both had no support from their own parents (one had no parents). Both exposed to National team scouts and College coaches along with their privileged teammate. One is African, and one is Asian. At the end, the one that was more passionate and had a stronger work ethic received a D1 soccer scholarship. The other, no future plans in college or soccer. So I'm telling you that yes, in the USA, money is everything but there are enough support out there to help if the kid is willing. This is just one example. I've seen many others that are "under privileged financially" that has made it through because of their dedication. There are many good people out there that will help.
Contrary to popular belief from many who come to this country Americans are not handed a big bag of money. Most people start with nothing and find a way to make it. There are a lot of families struggling on MTA as well. If the child is dedicated and serious and has some talent that is oftentimes enough. People & organizations will help.
It's not bashing MTA. MTA is great for Minnesota. The original subject was about two kids who make national. One person came out and said they are the best in the state at U15 because they make national. If he had said they are one of the better players at U15, than it would have been alright.
There are other great kids with the same skill but chose to not attend any because they know if they have went, it wouldn't matter cause coach already have their teams selected. It is true to all MTA teams as well, why bother when they already have their team set.
someone brought to my attention this horrible blog and discussion. i am appalled at what some of you parents are saying on here. whether it is MTA, SPU, SCV, etc. etc., each club is dedicated to the kids in their own way. you can bash clubs and their management style, BUT why the need to call out players within the teams and bash on them? As parents, we should be more supportive and shout encouragement, otherwise, feel free to keep your mouths shut...whether it is online or on the fields. Uuugh! i'm so disgusted, i'm gonna go and puke now!!
I agreed with the above statement!! why waste time when you know that the coach or its organization already picked their team already! If u go you are going to lose money. it's almost like most tryouts for a team...
4:06 -- I think most (sane) people would agree that is is pretty fair so state that a player is the best in the state at U15 because he made the national team. To say that he is only "one of the better players at U15" is not fair or correct based on his proven accomplishments inside and outside of MN. If there is some one better than the best, he would be noticed and offered help if he wanted it. Move on.
4:06 -- I think most (sane) people would agree that it is pretty fair to state that a player is the best in the state at U15 because he made the national team. To say that he is only "one of the better players at U15" in the state is not fair or correct based on his proven accomplishments inside and outside of MN. If there is some one better than the best, he would be noticed and offered help if he wanted it. Move on. [Corrected spelling]
I love how the State Cup SPU parents post negatively about MTA saying it costs so much and the coaches already have their players picked out. What a bunch of clueless knobs. So the SPU team was formed how...open tryouts with 150 kids? Or a few coaches picking out players and assembling a team...who won't be player as a team anymore by 17s anyway. The are the same parents who are suggesting that the U15 Nation Team players is only one of the best players in the state. Let me spell it out for you SPU parents, if your player was cable of making the national pool, you would have gotten a phone call already.
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What does U19B look like?
Blackhawks and PSA- U19 boys
So quiet on the boys side?
Where is the state cup this year?
Cambridge-Isanti, same as the past few years.
U16B is being redrawn. Something about a team that should have been eligible to be placed in a play in game, wasn't in the pool, they were exempt.
I wonder if it's the SLP team that Van Houg wrote about on the home page of this blog?
No - I think it was the team doing MRL only. I think all MRL teams do not have to do the play-in game. However, if their status changed, then they would be subject to the play-in game.
I'm still wondering why Van's SLP team isn't Premier. Dakota Rev got their spot.
MYSA ruled they had an ineligible player and relegated them. Just like MYSA to punish the rest of the kids, instead of just removing the player from the team. Their decision making capability is laughable.
12:02: MYSA followed the rules, SLP didn't. The problem is deciding whether the team would have earned the Premier spot without the ineligible player.Because that is impossible to determine the team is punished . It is a team sport. You win and lose (on and off the field ) because of your TEAM. If a player was ineligible the whole team suffers. Coach ultimately let the other boys down. The buck stops with the coach !
@10:30 are you the parent who complained at SLP? How can you say the coach let them down? Coaches don't typically handle paperwork for registration. Parents and club registrars do this work. Can you point to the rule that says a team with an ineligible player is automatically relegated? I don't think there is one...but could be wrong. I believe an MYSA committee made that decision.
I've known Van for many years, he was a great player and a better person. I'm sure he put his trust in the registrar and like many MYSA clubs that registrar does not know the rules for foreign players or players moving from another state. These registrars do not know who's a resident or non-resident based on a registration form, they trust the information and provide an opportunity to a youth soccer player. I'm sure there are many more mistakes but you find irate parents and everyone suffers. Every year adults make mistakes that effect players nationwide, we just hope that whether you're a paid administrator or volunteer you try and protect the rights of players to participate. This should be a wake-call to all administrators and all parent at the expense of a great coach and talented group of players.
3/18/12 9:21 PM
3/18/12 12:48 PM
Whether Van is a great person, player or coach is not the issue. Just because he put his trust in the club registrar does not absolve him. People make mistakes and the coach should accept responsibility as the team leader.
MYSA should also accept responsibility. Why was the issue raised after the season? A foreign player's status should require some additonal checks and balances at the time of registration (at both the MYSA AND CLUB levels}.
State Cup brackets are posted on MYSA website.
does anyone know why SCV 16 dropped out of MRL?
@12:01 Your claims are false. Van does not require absolution. He is coaching for his love of the game and his desire to give back to youth. If you think his ego, or salary, or days gone by, attract him to coaching you are misguided. I have know Van for 9 years. As a coach and as a friend. Van embodies the spirit of State Cup, competition, measurement and ultimately disappointment, for most, or unbridled joy, for a lucky few. Although I believe your primary reason for posting on this blog is to irritate and infuriate, I will leave your comments for all to see. I considered removing them, but would rather use this opportunity to ask all posters to fully consider their words before posting. Opinion, wisdom and accounts of fair competition and courage are welcome, crass negativism is not.
MNF -- You are wrong. My primary reason was not infuriate or irritate. My only point is that I believe that a coach should take responsibility for his team. My post also stated that MYSA AND THE CLUB MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL. False claims -- what are you referring to? Crass negativism -- I don't think so. Raising the threat of waving your wand to remove my post is not too macho.
11:03 its clear you are the parent who raised the stink. Everyone gets it, you are upset with the coach. Get life already and go troll somewhere else.
11:03,
It's not the coaches' responsibility to check birth certificates,residency etc. Those responsibilities belong to the club board, registrar, managers etc.
Coaches are there to train players not to perform administrative duties.
10:06 AM -- why don't you contribute something positive then?Make some blind predictions about who will win state cup.
I agree with 8:50 AM. The team manager and club registrar serve to support the team. Obviously, the coach must rely on them to do their jobs.
Whose responsibility is it? It all depends on what level you are at – age wise and skill wise. For the most part, the people who register the kids check the birth certificates along with the managers. The coach is there to coach – to teach the kids how to play soccer and possibly take them on a journey in life. Along that journey, there will be bumps in the road and you deal with them as you cross them. Hopefully, the kids will have a positive journey in soccer and I life.
Relegating a whole team just because of another adults screw up does not seem to fair to me, but look at what happened with MA and AK. (Not to bring this up in spite, but to bring this up for a point.) Because of their decisions, (And possibly only one coaches decision(s)), both teams got disqualified. Should the whole team have been disqualified? The girls just followed their coach’s instructions, the orders their leader and commander gave them. Really, only one team followed instructions, the other team did nothing wrong! This is kind of the same thing, MYSA decided to toot their horn and try to show who was boss, which in reality; they just screwed over a bunch of innocent kids. Did the rest of the kids know what was going on? Did everyone on the team agree to bring this ineligible player on to the field? Just like, did MA or AK’s players agree to throw a game? Did they all say: Heck ya, let’s throw this game! Or did the boys say – heck ya, let’s bring this kid on our team, we know he is too old, but so what! – Not so sure that happened.
MYSA is not looking at the whole picture here and they are just punishing people (mainly kids) regardless of the total consequence. I would ask that they look at their own kids and state to their selves, if that were my kid, what would I do?!?! What would I want done? How would I react?
A good majority of people on the MYSA board have never played soccer and do not have a clue about the sport. Being on the MYSA board is their way of “giving back to the community” and “trying to be involved”.
One thing I will agree with is – this is a blog. MNF, try not to take it personally; it is just people stating their opinions. That’s all! Kind of part of owning a blog, There was no swearing, no name calling and no calling kids out – these are your rules, correct?!?! Let people express their self’s. That way, we all get to see how people think, how creative they are and what their real opinions are. It makes others think as well. Again, it is just a blog and these are just people’s words. Nothing more and nothing less.
Take care and good luck to all the soccer players in state cup!
@5:53 The commentary removed was insidious, in that it was the same poster (maybe you?) trying to re-make the same derogatory comment over and over. Your last post was also insidious as it tries to compare purposeful game fixing and known over age player rostering to the SLP event. Inferring that an adult consciously made the decision to go against the spirit of competition and/or MYSA rules.
If you read the stated facts in Van's and other posts you should understand that they are not comparable. An absence of awareness (by SLP), then an unclear MYSA policy, then a questionable MYSA decision was the course of events.
As blog owner, I have the right to remove commentary for any reason. Many other blogs go so far as to require verifiable user credentials to participate; and some even then review and selectively publish each and every comment. I keep this blog more open and provide significant leeway in opinion and commentary. In general, posts attributed to a real person (not anon) will receive even more leeway.
If you have interest in discussing blog free speech in more detail, I invite you to introduce yourself at a soccer event and we can discuss youth soccer topics at your leisure.
Ok. Let's get to the subject of State Cup. Hope everything goes well for SLP. Should be interesting this year..
MNF – Take it easy! The above posts do NOT compare game fixing and over age rostering. What it does compare are the decisions that MYSA makes which affects the youth athletes who love to play the game. That is all, nothing more. I think they are on your side - or at least they use to be.
Yes, you have the right to do whatever you want with your blog. All that is being said is people are following the rules you have set forth.
Outspoken is the using scream punctuation (!)...I think maybe she needs to "take it easy" (see no CAPS and no ! ;)
3/28/12 6:30 PM – just stressing some words, not upset at all. It is all about how you read in to it.
If the player in question was not on last year's SLP team, would the team have won enough games to secure premier status? Should the team that was second to SLP in the premier status ladder be penalized? What is the whole picture? What factors did MYSA consider in making their decision?
I agree that 3/22/12 5:53 AM's comparison to MA and AK is a joke.
Read the post, it is not a comparison to MA and AK, it is a comparison of the different situations on how MYSA did the exact same thing, based on what a bunch of adults decided to do or not do. Maybe you are on the MYSA board.
It doesn't matter anymore. Point being, no one like the way MYSA does things.
I understood your post 10:48 AM and I still think your comparison is off and idiculous.
any blind predictions on state cup?
4/3/12 11:20 AM - I think you meant the post was ridiculous.
Right. I'm a bit skeptical that there is a simple correct answer to the SLP "event."
Outspoke take it EASY! You USE too few words and READ too few WORD to make ANY sense!
double negative?
Ok - back to soccer now. Will MTA win anything on the boys side for state cup?
No, nada, zero!
I think the U14 MTA boys have a good shot and possibly U15 MTA boys.
I agree 2:30pm.
Can the top MTA boy teams play in state cup this year?
Top teams can other than at U16 and U18. Although the majority of the U17 team plays on the U16 DA team as well. The way the DA divides age groups makes this possible because of birthyear.
U15 age group will be more competitive than the last few years. Playing field has been leveled due to 3 or 4 key players moving to USSDA 16s. MTA,SCV,LKVL,SPU semi finals. Anyone can win at this age group this year. Ouside of these four and maybe Blackhawks first few rounds will be a yawn. Best final for boys.
Some MTA players who played up last year are playing at U15, so MTA 15s should win.
PSA is better than Lakeville.
MB beat Lakeville in a scrimmage in Feb.
Why is Yueill still coaching MTA U15? Too much power.
IF Mukwelle plays, MTA U15 got 95 percent chance of winning it again but if he doesn't play, it's 50/50 with everyone else. The other U16 players that drop down to play with them doesn't do much. One player does make that much different in a team.
STRONGLY disagree 12:39 PM. I would say at least 75/25 with the additional U16 players that dropped down.
Hate to sound like a homer but...
U13 - MTA or St. Croix (no one else is close - winter scrimmages were very competitive)
U14 - MTA (no one else is close - I've watched all of the premier teams scrimmage each other this winter)
U15 - MTA (saw them scrimmage SCV U16 Premier and dominiate them w/o Mukwelle) Passing is too good and too much team speed.
Not too sure on the other age groups.
Ill informed. USSDA U15 players who are playing up cannot drop back down to help with the State Cup team if they are FT. They stay with their USSDA schedule and their U16 teams. There are only two that are playing up as full time academy players in the state one at MTA one at Shattuck. Mukwelle is out of state and would play on academy not U15 when he returns from residency. The rest are develpomental players rostered on U16 USSDA they can play at the Cup.
No FT USSDA players are eligible in the registration year for non-USSDA events or play. Period. PT players are always eligible. PT players can play on any team where they meet the residency, registration and age requirements.
U13-MTA or SCV: Most complete teams with a couple outstanding players
U14-MTA: Other teams are not as strong overall. Sleeper team is MU.
U15-MTA or SPU: MTA lost Mukwelle and Max, gained Aneyso and Eddie. SPU won last matchup at USA Cup with Max, Mukwelle, Aneyso and Patrick.
U16-??Open to me, maybe MU again or another sleeper team. Not impressed with the level at this age.
U17-MTA: They should take care of this age.
Regional predictions per age groups?
U15 --I think SPU lost one really good player; not sure if he has been or could be replaced. Though in a tough bracket, PSA may contend.
U16 -- Talent is disbursed among various teams. MTA or MU.
U17 -- MTA lost best players. MTA or EP.
U13- SCV beat blue 3-0 in the fall but hasn't played them since
U14- MTA no one is really close, not a very strong age group. MU would be next
U15- MTA with either SPU or SCV in the final with them. The rest of the age group is a step down from those teams.
U16- SCV based on what I heard about their scrimmages vs MU recently
U17- MTA
u13 SCV
u14 MTA
u15 MTA
u16 MU
u17 EP
U13- SCV
U14- MTA
U15- MTA
U16- MU
U17- MTA
I think the U15 group has a wild card, so two teams will get to represent MN!
U13: SCV
U14: MTA
U15: MTA and SPU
U16: MU or MTA
U17: MTA or EP
13 blue over SCV, to many weapons for blue
14 blue over MU, MU is close but blue is deeper
15 blue over SCV, SCV is much improved from last yr
16 MU over SCV, SCV keeper is hurt I hear
17 EP over dark horse Valley
who did spu lose? this year's team is better than last year's team in my opinion.
I think the U15 boys have a wild card this year.
U14 MTA
U15 SPU in my opinion because they have One of the best Forward beside Mukwelle. And they also have a very good defender and Goalkeeper.
Somebody need to take a pill to calm them down..or did he take the wrong pill..
U13 SCV
U14 MTA or MU
U15 MTA or SPU
U16 MU
U17SCV
St croix u17 P beat chicago fire u17
When and where? Can't seem to find that anywhere...that goes for their premier and mrl team. Interesting how many teams are being thought as possible winners at 17's.
Please though, enlighten us on when and where because I cannot seem to find that anyplace.
U15 will be SPU... MTA will be kind of a challenge but at the USA cup MTA had all their best players and practily 18 year olds on their team but SPU still beated them 2-0 also on the other hand SCV will not be a challenge. I think that SCV has not improved lately they may have gotten lucky in the past.... If you look at MTA they didn't even do good in the MRL premier league and right now SPU is in first place... SPU will take state cup this year and the MRL league no doubt
SPU all day!!!
MTA/SPU 15s Final - SPU won last match. SPU lost there center midfielder to Shattuck -but kept the forward who scored the two goals in Schwanns Cup. MTA lost two also to USSDA and struggle regionally without them I have heard. SCV did tie MTA in State Cup though. This will be a fun group but best three players have moved on to 16s Academy. Should be a heckuva final.
True to that my friend....
Please leave SPU out of this blog, if you are a parent who brag about SPU, please take them out and if you are someone who try to post as SPU members, please stop. Everyone will have a shot at State Cup, all depend on who will show up and who will have a better game. Let's go out and support these kids like a true parent should be, winning or losing...
Yes everyone does have a shot at the state cup but lets not leave anyone out just yet. This blog is getting interesting lets see what SPU can do to back up their talk and also let's see what MTA can also do...... This year will be very interesting
U13- SCV
U14- MTA
U15- SPU
I dont think those comments are from SPU boys Or MTA boys. I Think its from parents who doesn't know how to show respect to one another just to make the teams look bad and sound cocky to show bad reputation. Anyways, here are my state cup prediction:
U13- St. Croix
U14- MTA Blue
U15- Its a hard decision to pick but i think MTA are looking good right now.
U16- MTA or Minneapolis United
U17- MTA
If you guys are a member of SPU or Parents of SPU, Please Stop posting up these blogs on this website. We do not want to have any issue with any club. Any team can have a shot at the state cup.
I Think we should kick you out because you seem to have some problems with SPU? Are you scared they might prove you wrong in the state cup? Well let's just let the game do the talking than this blog... My picks:
U14- MTA
U15- SPU
U16- MTA or MU
if u think the boys blog is bad, you go check the girls blog......
But imagine if spu has the facilities, coaching staffs, and etc, like all those academy team has..... from what I heard, they are almost like a neighborhood recreational team only, but they are surely making some noises against all those high profile expensive clubs. Perhaps we all should show some support instead of bashing them.
I think black hawk will be a good contender this year for the state cup as well.
SPU are not making any noise against academy teams. They don't play DAP teams. The play the 3rd or 4th team from the same club, not the DAP teams. MTAs teams that you are playing is their 3rd team. 30 players on in MTA 15-16 Academy.
Playing against MTA's 3rd team? The Academy team consists of 95/96 players. The majority of their players on the roster are 95's. There are only a handful of players eligible to play for the U15 MTA Blue team. I don't think it you are correct when saying it is their 3rd team. Ask the players on their team and see what they think of it.
Many of the U15's from other DA clubs also do not have DA teams at this age. They would be in the same boat where they have a handful of players sent up to play DA, but the majority of the U15's stay.
If it was MTA's third team, I would say they shouldn't even win their group at State Cup.
7:12
Very true, if it's MTA 3rd teams that are playing state cup, MTA will have no chance.. Don't kid yourself 10:02, we are not fool and we know all the best player in MTA. You just make MTA look bad cause of your stupid comment.
4/25/12 10:02 PM
Are you serious, MTA 3rd teams? I know you are not high or are you? I know MTA have some very good players but to say their 3rd teams can beat any premier or even c1 teams in Minnesota is a little crazy. Let me say this, academy doesn't mean you have all the best player in Minnesota, just kids with rich parents. If MTA does pick the best players out of Minnesota, you or your kid would be one of it.
7:12 is correct. The two MTA teams that play in state Cup will be the first and second (blue/white) team at 15s. There is only one 97' in the state playing on the DA team at MTA. All the rest are on the 15s blue team. The team has only won 2 games in the Midwest Developmental League lots of ties, look it up they are OK in the region. Next year the DA team for MTA 16s will be mostly 96s, a few 97s, the rest of the team stays in place. This age group is wide open for State Cup, best age to watch. SPU, SVC and LKVL all have shot and the top two will both go to Regions. 10:02 also correct. A few strong players in the state do not go DA, but the best soccer in the country is played at this level. MTA is supposed to financially support all players at this level so it is not just the pay to play philosophy. That is how it is supposed to go down, reality, I doubt it.
I have nothing to do with MTA. That said, MTA's 3rd team will get out of their group. I coached DAP team at Chicago Magic for 3 years, now living in MN. I am amazed that the overly proud and boastful parents of the local clubs, arguing about who's team is best. I agree that SPU, SCV and LAK have a chance, even a good chance at 15s. But, none of these local club player will ever play professionally, or D1 college for that matter. I have no problem with you celebrating your championship...just realize that MN State cup for boys is effectively a small step above a rec league in most other metro areas. MN Girls state cup is close to being the same. ENCL is where all the college coaches go...I know, as I scout for 4 top women;s college programs.
Northfield have a good chance of beating SPU. They have this really good forward who can dribble and shoot. When we played them last year, their goalkeeper is super short. All you have to do is chip over him the your job is done.
If you are Magic ex coach, why are you comment in this blog. What do you care of what said in this blog and why do you say no other club kids can make it to D1 school beside MTA. Any real coach would not say stuff like that to any other club, I guess you are just a pretender not a real coach. Real coach teach kids not discourage them and you are exactly that. Maybe you should go back to chicago.
Amen to that! All the kids are still young and college is still not even within their sight. Everyone is playing for fun, not for a chance to get into a fancy college or a professionally team. Education is the key for these kids, not sport. Most will not make it to the big leagues, but maybe a lucky few will. What matters is that they have fun and make new friends along their journey to adulthood.....
This guy or gal who claims to be an Ex-Magic coach is not very bright.
There are always players who make Division I teams that do not play DA.
ENCL must be a different league, I've heard of the ECNL, but not your made up league.
The reason you are no longer coaching Magic is probably because you are so closed minded about player potential and ability that you got released for letting other clubs in Chicago like Chicago Fire and Sockers take all the better players.
Good try scout!
No longer a coach because the pay was so poor. I didn't say only MTA players make D1, I said that most MN boys who play D1 have played in the DAP. Yes, non-DAP players play D1 all the time. Few MN boys play D1 without participating in the top competitive level. A few recently who played NPSL, then junior college, are or will be playing D1. If you think there are many, feel free to list them so that all can see my un-brightness. Your tact of insulting/shooting the messenger was very popular with the Nazis.
I don't think the message was intended for the messager, but for the water boy who thought he was a coach. The past don't mean crap, and the future is still unknown. Almost everyone who plays in this sport is still young and their potential is still unknown.
I love my life even if its in the basement. I do not have high expectation and a negative ego like u. Soccer is for recreational purposes only. They keep the kids healthy. Education is the key to the future my friend. I do not need them to play on a fancy team or play at college to satisfy my happiness......
Education is not the key to ones future. Hard work and determination, willingness to change and adapt, desire to always improve, these are the keys to the future. Eduction is a path some follow as another opportunity to demonstrate hard work, determination, etc.
St. Croix u17 premier beat Chiacgo sockers and tied chiacgop fire 1 to 1 in nike academy showcase 2012 im Mrach in chiacgo.
How was the first weekend of State Cup for the U13 and U14's? Any surprises/sleepers or did the teams that were supposed to win, take care of business?
Please share what you saw, not what you heard.
Surprising to see U13 St. Croix tie Arsenal. Arsenal looked to be playing defensively, but it worked. MTA must be happy with this result as they cruised to an easy victory.
Education is not the key to ones future? Boy, you should run for president on that platform.
Ask Bill Gates or Steve Jobs about their keys to success...education will not be on the list. Personal responsibility, hard work, self determination, ability to adapt and change, these are the keys to success. To many people list to liberal pablum...key to success is education. I disagree...along with most highly successful people in this country...except those, like our President, who has a tax payer funded ivy league degree, book deal and rise through politics all based on affirmative action.
Steve is dead. The Bill Gates Foundation states that "our mission is to dramatically improve education so that all young people have the opportunity to reach their full potential. We seek to ensure that all students graduate from high school ready for college and career and prepared to complete a postsecondary degree or certificate with value in the workplace."
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates may not have had a college degree, but they were educated. You do not create operating systems for computers based on personal responsibility, hard work, self determination or work ethics, sorry, it just does not happen that way.
Whether it is from college, high school or life, you have to have some type of education.
Now, back to our originally scheduled program.
Surprising league result from last night in U-17 boys. Lakeville over Eden Prairie. EP was mentioned a couple times as a potential favorite in that age group.
Rain every year in State Cup. Maybe they should move to March instead of April. Beside the rain, the first round for u15 goes to MTA blue, SPU, Blackhawk, Maple Grove, PSA, and a tie between St. Croix and MTA white. Round two begin this Saturday. Good luck to all.
How did the 15's do this weekend?
Group A
MTA-Blue vs Maplebrook (4-0 MTA)
Edina vs Woodbury (1-0 Edina)
Group B
Lakeville vs Northfield (2-2)
SPU vs PSA (1-0 SPU)
Group C
MU vs St. Croix (4-2 St. Croix)
Blackhawks vs MTA-White (4-1)
MTA Blue and SPU both have won their groups. Groups C Winner will be decided next week, but Blackhawks has an upperhand with 2 wins and need only a tie to advance. Wildcard will be interesting with many teams still alive.
Lakeville seems to be biggest bust, I hope they beat PSA next week to makeup for everything.
SPU came out of the weakest group with a tie and will loose their semi by 2 goals.
somebody needs to go and do their homework!
Anyone with revised predictions for the U17s?
SPU vs either Blackhawk or St. Croix in Semi and losing by two goals... yep, not sure if u are high or just plain stupid.
What a dumb prediction! Spu already beat the Blackhawks 3-1 two weeks ago according to the league standing How are St.croix and the Blackhawks going to beat Spu by two goals? Maybe by 1 goal if they are lucky enough, but doubt that will ever happen.
Anyone know about the status of the goalkeeper who got hurt in the st.croix and msu game? hope he is alright!
Bracket B is the weakest u say. Lets see, SPU, Lakeville, PSA are in premier, Bracket C, Blackhawk, St. Croix and MTA white in premier, Bracket A, well, lets just say only MTA blue worth mention. Everyone else in state cup is c1. Doesn't take a genius to figure out which bracket is the weakest.
What a tournament so far...
In the U13's, it was expected to have MTA-Blue or SCV win that group, but SCV certainly lost alot with a tie in their first game. MU won group B, with SPU taking the Wildcard. Neither team lost a game nor let in a goal all tournament. PSA won a weak Group C.
U14's
MTA-Blue should win, no real surprises in this group
U15's
MTA and SPU advanced, both are top teams. Blackhawks look good but need to at least tie to advance. Should come down to SPU and MTA in final.
U16's
SCV has won group A and Edina won group B. MTE look bad and will not advance. Blaine is in good shape with their last game against WBL, while PSA face a good DRev team.
U17's
All competitive games this year. MTA and SCV will play for Group A, Wayzata has an outside chance if MTA and SCV tie. RSC is in good shape in group B but SCV plays an easier opponent in BHK, while RSC plays EDP. NSSA advanced from group C.
U18's
SSM, PSA, MTW and SCV have all advanced. Last group games remain for seeding.
I hope the weather stay great for the rest of the tournament. Good luck to all.
Eden Prairie isn't a factor at all so far in State Cup.
What's going on with that club?
EDP has gone downhill since Wayne Harrison left town.
Totally Agree with how much EP is Missing Wayne. He left them with all the tools and structure for the developemnt to continue but that has been totally dismantle by not only the current DOC and his crew but the president of EP operates the club like his monarchy ......he lacks the leadership, confidence, and soccer prowess for the club to function like it once did when a Soccer DOC with suburb talents and training methods ran the club
Wow how dumb are you people? Leadership is measure by how an organization performs once the leader leaves. He was a dismal failure. His style was to con/threaten players into thinking they wouldn't play HS soccer if they left the EP club...how is that leadership? Let's not forget the letters to players...we all have a copy...Don't worry he is surely ruining a club wherever his landed. BTW, thanks Wayne for posting as Anon and trying to make it look like you actually had support.
They never were a factor. A team every couple of years that could compete. They are just like PRL or WYZ or NFD that get lucky and can compete at 1 age group, in 1 gender. Wow! With the largest HS in the state who refuse to split into 2 HS just so that can compete at sports....what a joke!
Any predictions on the semi-final games for the younger ages?
5/14 1006 stated
" Leadership is measure by how an organization performs once the leader leaves"
Not in a volunteer organization that is run by people who only think they know soccer. The foundation for training and development was all there for it to be built on. The current "builders" construct something new and different without using the foundation that was there while using wholely inadeqaute building materials.
If you know soccer, and you know anything about the training / development of a player/ team that Wayne institutes you would realize how inaccurate your statements are.
@5/14/12 10:09 PM - Building new schools for the purpose of dividing a larger school is not always the most financial and long term prudent thing to do.
New school structures does not necessarliy equate to better education.
@5/15 833
What would you like to know?
I'm the Mike Holmes of the Soccer World
;-)
EP folks tend to be of the "more more more me me me" mentality. Perfect candidates to be seduced by the MTA spell.
EP..puke, spit, vomit some more...has always been a joke. WH a club director that crossed the line threatening HS kids to build teams...even having the great Tomass speak on his behalf does not undo the damage. A good technical trainer does not equal a good coach and certainly does not equal a respectable club. WH certainly could raise a handful of players games, he could not prepare coaches, could not manage and organize, he could not lead...all requirements for a DOC for a rich suburban club. He was a decent coach, he was a disaster as a DOC.
Tom ass -- 8:33 AM here. What have you built in the soccer world?
A nice little community club that knew it's role in player and team development
Winning and tactically superior teams as a coach
Smarter and Better Skilled players as a trainer
Winning teams as a player and teammate
Improved Referees as a referee and referee mentor
Sharing the Love for the game in all the contact points from above.
I still keep in contact (not phony Facebook contact)with about 10 former college teammates ......if you were ever a player you will understand the bond and importance of this building block.
Impressive Tom ass, reads like a resume. I agree 100% with the last item. It would be helpful to have some reference points or objective benchmarks for the first 5 items.
Ah that would take all the fun out of it. Do your proper research and fact checking if it's that important to you, but I can sleep at night knowing it is not a bunch of yahoo.
I have been asked and it has been answered.
HAPPY SYTTENDE MIA!
It's not that important to me Tom ass... what's important is that you truly believe.
I enjoy reading your pontifications on this blog.
that's better than reading my defecation on this blog......or are the one in the same?
I thought SCV U13s would give Blue a challenge. Guess not.
Tom ass -- LOL. Yes!
Coach Education: In total I did 117 coaching clinics for the club, all documented and shared with the coaches. How many clubs currently do clinics on a regular basis (or at all) for their coaches? Please let me know.
At my last two clinics for the club (I know this because I kept records) and after 9 years I had respectively 56 and then 65 coaches attend; just from EPSC. If I was no good do you think after 9 years they would still be coming in these numbers for what was a voluntary clinic?
Actually there were a few paid coaches who didn’t attend because they already knew it all; apparently; but the rest, many who were parent coaches; and who became great coaches; they still wanted to improve themselves.
In Conclusion, a person said to me one day, who I didn’t know, that he had heard good things and bad things about me so stated: SO YOU MUST BE DOING YOUR JOB RIGHT. And that is the case in any walk of life, you get MR.ANGRYS EVERYWHERE, and if you do your job correctly you will ultimately a attract enemies because you didn’t give them what they wanted, and especially in youth sport because too many like MR.ANGRY BLAME THE COACH OR DOC FOR THAT MATTER FOR THE LACK OF ABILITY OF THEIR OWN CHILD. And don’t want to own up to the fact that maybe it is their own genes they passed on that is the problem.
I have 4 names in my head who you could be, enlighten us all who you are then I can share what this is really all about to everyone but of course you won’t because you don’t want to be exposed do you.
COME ON, DON’T BE A COWARD, WHO ARE YOU? Everyone here will know if you don’t tell us.
Been nice to revisit I hope EPSC all the good in the world; and know that I gave it a great foundation to build upon. Even thought they did not continue my work at all, despite the fact I created a vast amount of information for them to use, they declined; why; I expect because they wanted to put in place a new identity; then fair enough, I still hope all goes well; and the proof of the pudding is in the eating; so make your own mind up on the before, during and after my presence.
I am still in Elba pretending to be Napoleon and drinking red win.
oops WINE.
he could not prepare coaches,
This was MR. ANGRYS comment above: So Angry lad, you had better get in touch the the NSCAA because I am educating coaches on their coaching courses. Here is what the DOC of the club I did it at thought:
Wayne and Joe,
On behalf of the Carlsbad Wave coaching staff, I would like to thank you for the fantastic training we received during the NSCAA Junior Level 6 Diploma this past weekend here in Carlsbad.
I am very thankful to have my staff work with such excellent educators such as yourselves, and your differing styles complemented the course very well.
I feel that my staff are now much better equipped to educate our players this season, and our club and players will benefit hugely from this experience.
Many of my staff have commented how much they enjoyed the training, and I would like to explore the opportunity to host the National Diploma in the future, as we continue to push ourselves and the club forwards with coach and player education.
I have attached Sundays photo.
Thanks again,
Steve Cowell
Director Of Coaching – CWFC
There again it was probably meant for Joe; not me Eh.
Spot ON WAYNE!
THIS WAS THE START OF MY REPLY BUT IT DID NOT COME THROUGH SO TRYING AGAIN.
I was told Mr. ANONYMOUS ANGRY is still crying about me. I was last on here 4 years ago, my one and only time. NO ANON needed; this is Wayne Harrison, unlike Mr. ANGRY I will put my name to this.
Come on ANGRY PERSON, who are you? Reason you won’t say is because then I will know who your son or daughter was; who wasn’t good enough to make it; and then I could tell all the subscribers here what this is really all about.
If you do not tell me your name then we will all know THIS IS THE REASON. I rest my case. But you are a coward aren’t you; hiding behind your mouse. A mouse behind a mouse.
The Letter: please publish here as it doesn’t exist; and if you do publish something it will be you writing it. If it was the case, which is wasn’t, and then no one in their right mind would put what you suggest on paper anyway, so stop making up stories ANGRY BOY (or GIRL).
HS Soccer: About half my roster of players was from clubs outside EPSC. So no substance to that argument. Can you show me if this is wrong Mr. Angry?
EPSC being a poor club: We had 7 Premier teams, the most of ANY club in the State except MTA. So that is failure? The STATISTICS DON’T LIE; compare my record to previous to me; and after me now; and tell me, was I successful?
32 teams when I arrived in 2000, 65 when I left in 2009; so no one supported me then? Doubled the revenue of the club; through attracting players to a structured educational process for coaches and players.
UAE: In the UAE (United Arab Emirates; incase Mr. A doesn’t know what that is) in my 2 years there (a great experience by the way likely MR A hasn’t left Minnesota to know there is actually a world out there) we won 7; yes SEVEN; NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS AT YOUTH LEVEL. THE TOP ACADEMY IN THE MIDDLE EAST RUN BY YOUR OWN DOC, ME.
These are the FACTS MR. ANGRY; nor hearsay like you spout.
I dedicate my 11th published book on Soccer Coaching to Mr. Angry, send me your address and I will send you a copy, you can throw darts at it and feel good about yourself.
A Consultant from Inter Milan, Marco Monte (you can have his e mail if you like and ask him) voted our club THE NUMBER ONE PROFESSIONAL ACADEMY THERE, and likened us as the nearest club there was to the top academies in Europe and stated it was through MY work as the DOC in the tactical team changes I brought to the systems of play of the teams (yes the same one who did so poorly at EPSC, amazing eh). By the way Mr. Angry Inter Milan is one of the top 5 clubs in the professional soccer world just so you know.
Back to the High school, in the fall for our younger teams in EPSC, this DOC; who doesn’t do his job according to you, made sure we had ALL THE YOUNGER TEAMS TRAIN TOGETHER TWICE A WEEK. Just to remind everyone, I would send a coaching session out to all the coaches, we would all come together at Franlo Fields, I would do a clinic AND then ALL the teams and their coaches would do it; and we could watch and observe and help. Is this not attention to detail? This is what DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT, creating a learning environment and a developmental model for everyone TO WORK TOWARDS IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY.
This is not related to State cup, go somewhere else.. if not about state cup. See the title, "Boys 2012 State Cup".
methinks perhaps Wayne had a bit too much red win ...er, wine.
@518 1033- He probably figured he was being judged here so his rebuttal was posted here.
...For all 10 of us to see.
Happy MDMD, by the way (Mow Down MTA Day)
Lots of people get slammed on this site, yet Wayne is the only one who needs to come in here to justify how great he is. Get over yourself little guy, you are a good coach but you have a long way to go with being humble.
Are the top MTA teams playing in State Cup? I know they don't on the girls side. If so, it seems as if SCV is dominating...
@5/20 545
Most successful people have healthy egos. I don't think Mr. Harrison lacks in having humility. I believe he was just refuting the falsehoods against him
Facts are Facts - it ain't bragging if you can do it.
Yup, Wayne has a good resume but he needs to grow up and get over himself. His insecurity clearly showed when he threatened EP kids about not playing varsity if they left epsc,
Fact are facts!
6:52 MTA loses a lot of talent in the u15 an older age groups because of the USDA, they top players do not play in state cup. So yes, St Croix is dominant in this age groups but MTA is dominant U13-u15 as St Croix has no teams in the finals and MTA should win all three.
U15s have yet to play their semi final's
SPU vs St. Croix - St. Croix wins
MTA Blue vs PSA - MTA wins
showdown between MTA and St. Croix for U15 in final.
St. Croix winners for U15.
Wow. Where did SCV come from? Everyone knows about their U18s but who knew they were strong everywhere? At least on the boys side...their only strong girls team is their 18s. What makes a club strong only on one side?
The top MTA boys from U15 - U18 are playing in USSF Development Academy and are not eligible for any MYSA games.
Top, only two from U15 that are playing in USSF Dev. Academy. Please, don't make it sound like they lose all the best player for the academy. Never get old with MTA.
MTA U16 - U18 are the former white teams turned blue. U15 has two former players in DA (one at MTA and one at SSM) and another on the U17 MNT.
7:14,
So you don't think the MTA U15 team would be a lot better with the best two U15 players in the state playing with them this year?
(the U17 national team player and the U15 national team player)
Let's get real.
Don't forget the SSM player too!
All very good teams in the U15 semis. Should be some good battles and quite possibly shootouts.
8:18
They are no doubt one of the two best players but not the best player in the state. Get real.
2:31,
The 2 players from MTA are on the USA U15 and U17 National teams.
Are there any other players from that age group on the US National teams?
Please enlighten us!
it takes money to receive exposure. many talented kids don't have the financial resources to keep paying to be playing; therefore, DAP or ODP, etc. all those programs actually don't have all the best players on their squads to represent the state of Minnesota. It's sad, but very true...this is America. Land of dreams. You need money or else a lucky break!!!
I don't need to enlighten you. The guy below just did. Please, don't bring up those because they are but nothing more than a politic game. That's right, most MTA players are that way, sorry to say but its true. Some even paying for scholarship player just to be on the team.. how sad..
If MTA truly pick the best player in Minnesota, they should have no problem playing against other state such as Illinios or Michigan. See why they can't compete against bigger club cause they don't have the best player in state.
You wouldn't understand cause you are probably one of those parent who paid for other kids so your kid can stay with top MTA teams. I feel sorry for you.
Not having the financial resources is just an excuse.
I agreed! There are way better players out there than the two mta players on the national team. These kids just don't have the exposure or money...
Way better players out there than the two on the national team? Not that I've seen. Not even close.
9:51,
The USSF Development Academy holds free trials in every Academy location each year.
Finances aren't an issue. Have your players who are good enough to belong on the US Youth National teams show up and prove they should be Youth National Team players.
Contact the USSF Academy and ask them when they'll be in Minnesota next. Send your kids.
IT'S FREE!
its free at the tryouts but if you make it, it will come with a price, just like odp.....not many parents of good players can pay, that is if they have a parent.
You don't have to pay to be on a US Youth National Team.
I give you one good example, one of your own MTA kid that is playing for MTA u15 blue team. How come he didn't make it. Are you saying he is less skill than those two. Are you people really that blind? How come he didn't get explosure like those two? Please, I can name more if you like but I won't cause I'm taking to MTA people here.
1:19,
If he's on the MTA U15 Blue team then he was at the same events as the 2 kids from that team who were selected for the US Youth National teams.
I think you should ask the folks from USSF about it because they do the selections.
The MTA coaches have nothing to do with it.
By the numbers, State Cup Semi's by club (excluding 19s):
MTA 12
SCV 6
MUS 5
PSA, DKT 4 each
BVL, EDP, NSS, SSM, SPU, TNK 2 each
BLA, EDI, NMT, PRL, VLY, WYZ 1 each
To make your post more interesting 3:39 PM, indicate the total teams from each club participating.
2:12 - That is not entirely true. MTA coaches funnel up names to national and region scouts. Look at a program like ID2. Recommendations are made by current coaches and submitted based on coaches recommendations, Players are scouted at sanctioned events based on coaches feedback and recommendations, I took that right off the website. Coaches also make recommendations to the US Soccer Scouts for training camps. Coaches play a large part in this, therefore can bias enter in, yes. When my son went through ODP five years ago, the clubs had very little influence on the selections and the ODP caoches did not interact with the parents. Seemed to be a much fairer system. To say the MTA coaches have no influence is competely incorrect.
Number of teams participating is irrelevant. The previous posters stats show that even without ENCL teams and DAP teams, MTA is far a head of other clubs for quality of teams and players. Certainly, other clubs have the best team at an age group/gender and I would not expect the gap to be as large in championships won.
@Wayne and not the Angry Man, but can’t pass up a chance to throw some thoughts into the discussion...Your claims of premier team growth would be no different than MUS, VLY, WNG, PSA, SCV, BHK or even MTA for that matter. I don’t have access to the data but would bet that most had similar or better % growth and some had better overall number growth. Doubling revenue, same, many clubs had double or triple the revenue in that timeframe. All had significant growth in that time frame. It was a massive growth period for youth soccer in MN.
As for competitiveness of your teams, how many state cups were won by all those premier teams during your tenure, compared to other clubs? How many division 1 players were developed, again compared to other clubs? How many players placed in the ODP Regional pool or national pool? These are factors that clubs are measured by. I’m not sure you would want to take credit for developing MN referees as MN is know to have one of the worst group in the Midwest. I am also not sure you would want to take credit for developing coaches at EP, because they sure don’t seem to be producing as you pointed out. As for you books, which BTW I have skimmed several, could be regurgitate FA text books? They aren’t bad and I would even recommend them to a beginning coach.
You seemed to be very specific in stating that there “was no letter”…so are you admitting that you verbally coerced or told players that they had a better chance to play HS Soccer in EP if there were in the club? Please elaborate.
I’m glad things going well for you at UAE (probably had strong leader just before you.) Where were you for the 2 years in between? How did that go?
I do disagree with earlier assertions that you were useless. But, I just don’t think you were anything special or different than any of the other top 10 DOCs in the same era. The lack of top quality developed players from EP speaks volumes…doesn’t it? Lastly, I think your post has re-affirmed your ego reputation. I can’t recall anyone else on this or any other blog tooting their own horn and saying look at what I did (as if it were something different than 10 other DOCs in the same era.)
MTA is the biggest club in the state of minnesota. duh?? if they didn't have the largest # of teams in the semi-s, they'd be walking away with their heads between their legs. they enter at the very minimum 1-2 teams per age group...hmm?? other smaller clubs, such as SPU enter 2...let me REPEAT that...2 total teams to State Cup!!! Both of their teams makes the semi-finals. Now do the metrics and measurements, moron! and for those of you born and raised in the good USA and say money doesn't matter, get real?! at USSF camps, the MTA coaches are already buddy-buddy with the scouts who come in to run the camps. it doesn't take a genious to figure out what is really happening...money talks!!! it's how the real world works!! if your parents can't fork over a check every time they're asked to keep you moving forward in the national selection, then you can kiss your chances good bye!!
MTA is nowhere near the largest club in the state. MTA also has the largest % of players on scholarship. Go to MYSAs web site and count teams. They are the 7th largest club in the state. SPU will not win a title at either age group. The top U15 players at SPU are probably already asking for spots on the academy team. You will quickly learn that the athletic players on the 2 SPU teams at state cup will be by pasted with skill, technique and dedication by players from most other clubs. You will also be surprised that your MRL team budget is probably the same as any MRL MTA, SCV or MUS team.
Lets see UAE population 5.1 million, MN population 5.4 million. Sounds like Wayne is finally winning some state cup equivalent titles. After a few more years of success he will be qualified to be the DOC at SCV, MUS, PSA, MTA or SSM...wow!
Ye of little soccer knowledge
Honestly, MTA does a great job on the Girls side and I admire what they produce there. The boys side is where I don't care for. Most coaches promise to do everything for players, but once the player is no longer good enough, they drop them and forget that they even exist. They then pitch the same offer to the next stud of another competitive team and repeat the cycle. It is sad but true.
They try to take credit for player development of players who play for MTA for the U17/U18 ages when they spent the majority of their developing years at another club. Most of these players feel MTA is the only way to get exposure with the current US Soccer structure that they hop on board. MTA takes advantage of the players guilty conscience and uses it to their advantage.
MTA is doing what it needs to maintain elite status. I don't believe they can take credit for all player development, but the ability to gather up the majority of the states best. Would other clubs do the same thing if they were in MTA's shoes????
9:24,
Look at the MTA U13, U14, and U15 boys teams. Most of those players have been in the club for several years.
One other thought...when does player development stop? Does it ever stop? Don't players continue to develop at U17? U18? Don't players develop and improve all through college years? Is a 1st year pro player a "finished" product or do they continue to develop?
In my opinion a player needs to train with the best as often as possible to continue to develop to his full potential.
Right, but the best is not entirely consolidated at MTA.
Wow...MTA bashing every year! My boy is with MTA...has been since 8yrs old. I choose to play him there for access to year round training in quality facility with high caliber trainers. 5 years ago, no other club had this. Now, many clubs have an "Academy" type training regimen. All good for Minnesota so I don't knock any clubs out there. Someday, we may have many high quality clubs in Minnesota and that will make soccer here even more competitive. No club, even MTA, has done a good enough job yet, in my opinion, but they are trying. I'm glad other clubs are starting to have the "Academy" feel to it (ie SCV, MUS).
@ 5/22 8:40pm
I'll give you my personal experience. Two equally talented boys (now 17yrs old). Both under privileged in terms of financial. Both played for the same team with MTA. Both had great support from the coaches and other parents on the team. Both had no support from their own parents (one had no parents). Both exposed to National team scouts and College coaches along with their privileged teammate. One is African, and one is Asian. At the end, the one that was more passionate and had a stronger work ethic received a D1 soccer scholarship. The other, no future plans in college or soccer. So I'm telling you that yes, in the USA, money is everything but there are enough support out there to help if the kid is willing. This is just one example. I've seen many others that are "under privileged financially" that has made it through because of their dedication. There are many good people out there that will help.
Contrary to popular belief from many who come to this country Americans are not handed a big bag of money. Most people start with nothing and find a way to make it. There are a lot of families struggling on MTA as well. If the child is dedicated and serious and has some talent that is oftentimes enough. People & organizations will help.
5/23/12 2:08 PM
It's not bashing MTA. MTA is great for Minnesota. The original subject was about two kids who make national. One person came out and said they are the best in the state at U15 because they make national. If he had said they are one of the better players at U15, than it would have been alright.
There are other great kids with the same skill but chose to not attend any because they know if they have went, it wouldn't matter cause coach already have their teams selected. It is true to all MTA teams as well, why bother when they already have their team set.
someone brought to my attention this horrible blog and discussion. i am appalled at what some of you parents are saying on here. whether it is MTA, SPU, SCV, etc. etc., each club is dedicated to the kids in their own way. you can bash clubs and their management style, BUT why the need to call out players within the teams and bash on them? As parents, we should be more supportive and shout encouragement, otherwise, feel free to keep your mouths shut...whether it is online or on the fields. Uuugh! i'm so disgusted, i'm gonna go and puke now!!
I agreed with the above statement!! why waste time when you know that the coach or its organization already picked their team already! If u go you are going to lose money. it's almost like most tryouts for a team...
4:06 -- I think most (sane) people would agree that is is pretty fair so state that a player is the best in the state at U15 because he made the national team. To say that he is only "one of the better players at U15" is not fair or correct based on his proven accomplishments inside and outside of MN. If there is some one better than the best, he would be noticed and offered help if he wanted it. Move on.
4:06 -- I think most (sane) people would agree that it is pretty fair to state that a player is the best in the state at U15 because he made the national team. To say that he is only "one of the better players at U15" in the state is not fair or correct based on his proven accomplishments inside and outside of MN. If there is some one better than the best, he would be noticed and offered help if he wanted it. Move on. [Corrected spelling]
I love how the State Cup SPU parents post negatively about MTA saying it costs so much and the coaches already have their players picked out. What a bunch of clueless knobs. So the SPU team was formed how...open tryouts with 150 kids? Or a few coaches picking out players and assembling a team...who won't be player as a team anymore by 17s anyway. The are the same parents who are suggesting that the U15 Nation Team players is only one of the best players in the state. Let me spell it out for you SPU parents, if your player was cable of making the national pool, you would have gotten a phone call already.
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