MN State Cup update. The semi-finals are set. Clubs with semi finalists (not including 19s):
16 for MTA
4 each for EDP, SCV and WDB
3 each for BHK, EDI, PSA and SSM
2 for TCF
1 each for BVL, DKT, LKV, NSS, PRL and TRV
This may the the first semi finalists for Three Rivers at girls U17s. Congratulations to all players, coaches, clubs and parents.
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Well done, lads, especially considering you invented the sport.
the earliest record of the sport goes back to 1004bc to japan. england early on had banned the game but put forth most of the rules for the game known today but did not sigle handedly invent the sport. get over it
Tell that to Nigel the Brit Twit.
Mister soccer -- just another brilliant argument from someone who knows little!
Didn't the Chineese start the sport using human heads for balls?
the chineese record dates to 50bc, earliest record goes to japan unforntunatley.japan actually used balls instead of heads.
i dont think money is the total issue. take the league cost average at any club is pretty much the same. the cost of equipment and the cost of the coach pr individual, probably still less than playing hockey. at least at some ages and clubs. the reason soccer coaches are paid and some alot are, one, their qualifications and experience" not talking about all the coaches", two, since soccer has grown in popularity, coaches from europe, england have come over here as the market has opened up for them to cash in, some inexperienced parents seeing an english coach will pay to get them on board.they can make more over here coaching than back their for the same level. if one team has had luck with a paid coach, then since overbearing parents control everything, other teams will follow suite, not saying all paid coaches are good, or that they are all bad,but, if you look at the time put in for the coach, driving to functions, set up, take down, time at games and practices, time needed to decide on a training topic based on team needs and the endless possibilities of options for activities, having to decide on the right activity for the age and level, a coach could i think easily have 7 hours of time pr contact. coaches dont just show up and pick somthing out of their head.not to mention licensing, that costs money and i am sure some, maybe few, use some of that money for further licensing,team equipment needs, balls, training bibs,speed rings, agility sticks, pug goals for small sided games, all of which an average club doesnt necassarily have the funds to provide all this equipment to all the teams.
From Mister Soccer:
1) "Clearly there are more men in MN who have hockey experience than there are men in MN with soccer experience"
2) "Hockey coaches aren't paid because there are many who think they can coach"
So anon 1247 - I completely agree with Mister Soccer's #1 statement here. What part of this statement do you disagree with?
his comment I listed as #2 is mostly true. More and more "A" level hockey teams do compensate coaches but in travel and meal expenses. Not so much in salary but it is becoming more common, but for the most part many youth hockey coaches volunteer their time because they played the game and it is a noteworthy title and honor for former hockey players to have. I almost think it is an unwritten rule and respect for the sport that makes most former hockey players volunteer to coach. Of course what the good coaches don't make in coaching they certainly make up in the number of camps and the profitability associated with those camps.
I think all soccer and hockey coaches should be compensated considering they have to deal with "parents" and weak-willed, selfish parent based boards
5:07= i completely agree with youre last statement, i chuckled when i read it and do believe anything that is going good will be ruined by overbearing and controling parents, the old my kid is an honor student bumper sticker syndrome. no matter how bad a player is, even if they cant kick the ball straight for 6 yrds, they still think their kid is pele. doesnt mean you tell youre kid they suck, but be realistic to their abilities and quit competing with eachother, teams should be competing against one another, not parents trying to out do other parents. god my head is goingto explode, yes i have alot of anger right now, trying to get rid of it.
anon 516 - maybe kids should have bumper stickers that read
" my parent(s) is/are an overbearing,royal pain-in-the- ass, overcompensating, ego-centric,
( place sport or activity here) know-it-alls.
Approach with caution"
whether you are being real or sarchastic 8:32, i like that statement, it doesnt pertain to all parents, but most of them, and the hard part, every team has them and i feel for all the coaches who have to put up with it paid or not. i wish they would just shut the ---- up finally. " wheres the duct tape".
back in my day, parents hardly came to any games, was just players and coach, and my days were the 80 and 90. soccer was actually fun without all the distracting comments from the sidelines. parents get a clue, you are distracting not helping, at my daughters game i keep my mouth shut when play is going. we had a parent yell shoot so loud it distracted the shooter enough that they missed the net, yelled it right before she kicked it, parents, the players know how to play and if not,let the coach do his job and be quiet for once.
and the real sad part, if you have coached, is how many times have you heard your players say, "My mom/dad is so annoying" or "I wish they would just shut up since they don't know what they are talking about"
I have heard 10-12 year old players mutter similar statements.
MYSA and most clubs support the PACT training but its message might be stronger if more of the message was coming from the players themselves
It's a scam that soccer coaches are paid and hockey coaches are not paid. It annoys me when soccer coaches publicly discuss how they're underpaid when hockey coaches don't make anything for doing a better job.
I'm a paid soccer coach. I wouldn't coach if I wasn't paid.
I'm always right. Everyone who disagrees is a numbskull.
i dont think the messages would get out better in it came from the players themselves, do you think the parents are gonna listen to their own kids, the problem parents would just say shut up, you dont know what you want, i do.i think it would get out better and the problem is= clubs may support it but take no steps to enforce it. no one is standing up to the parents and thats why they run everything and mess it up.
Mister Soccer, I think you should change your moniker to Mr Negative Soccer
I don't work for neither MTA nor SSM, yet I support MTA and SSM and I think they're both great for MN football.
I'd say that's more positive than most of you on here.
Mister Forward-Thinking Progressive Positive Realistic Soccer
Sorry to be negative, but you are a lousy coach Mister Soccer. If you are gettig paid to coach youth soccer, then MN soccer is going down!
12:27,
You don't know me. I might coach your kid. At least I'm not "Anonymous."
MN soccer can't really go down from here. We're already in the cellar - we've been there for decades. How many national championships does this state have and how many players have we placed on national teams?
At least I understand our history and therefore understand the direction we need to go.
This blog certainly gets spiced up when I participate with you clowns.
Dude, North Dakota is in the cellar. They have maybe 2 teams playing in regionals. We're NEXT to the cellar, but boy, can our kids play hockey!!
You can't throw a dead cat in this state and not hit some toothless hockey player. Hockey players are a dime a dozen! This is a soccer blog! Take your mullets and go back to your own blog. Soccer is too sophisticated for you anyway!
More kids play soccer than Hockey.
4:06,
I agree. But can those hockey players leave their multi-million dollar contracts before they go.
It's unfortunate that not only has "soccer" become a country club sport, but our soccer people act like elitist country club snobs too. "Soccer" is typically considered the poor man's sport in every other part of the world.
do you think he knows what sophisticated means
thats the problem with the us at times, take a poor mans sport and make it financialy unreachable for the poor. take any sport. how many kids dont play a sport because parents cant afford it and might be missing out on some good talent, or a player is missing out on an experience?
Mister Soccer,
If I don't know you, then you are anonymous.
You hide behind you monikor, but you are so bold to claim that you "understand our history and therefore understand the direction we need to go." Whatever that means.
Are you 100% certain that I don't know you?
5:16
I'm absolutely certain you don't know Mister Soccer.
I'm a bit confused. Now we have people calling it a "country club sport" but others are posting that MTA has all these "ethnic scholarship" players who pay little or nothing to be part of the program.
It can't be both so which is accurate?
817 - if you look at the overall cost associated with playing in a top program, the cost can be prohibitive for some; thus requiring the need of scholarships for those who can not afford it. That is why the term was applied in this debate
Harvard, Princeton, Yale etc, are considered "country club" Ivy League schools but they too have to give out scholarships so they can have a more diverse student culture that improves the overall environment of their institution.
so it really can be both.
u18 Woodbury won 7 0
u16 MTA won 1 0
u13 MTA lost 0 2
EP Lost 1 4
MTA U15G lost 4-2 to Eclipse
For those interested, all scores are here...
http://tournaments.usyouthsoccer.org/events/2010-US-Youth-Soccer-Region-II-Championships/
SSM U18's def. Scott Gallagher 4-2.
MTA U14 Boys have won again this morning. They beat Michigan 2-0. Yesterday they beat Iowa 4-0. This team has a great chance of advancing.
I don't think anyone really cares about the regional scores. Most of the teams are out-classed and would never advance to represent most other states in the region. There may be one or two exceptions, but for the most part NO ONE CARES!
10:01
We do care! Go back to bed!
Ah...the haters never go away. They're obsessed with those who achieve success.
Is the EP score over the defending regional champions correct? 4-2? That's the biggest win of the weekend for MN teams if it isn't a typo.
Good weekend for girls teams. EP U17, MTA 16 and MTA 19 all with wins over region champs.
Apparently MN soccer not that bad.
MTA 16 and MTA 19 and WDB 18 can all advance with wins tomorrow.
MTA 13, EP 14, MTA 15 are eliminated. EP 17 has a chance to advance but will need help from others along with a win.
MTA U15 boys already locked in for semis. MTA U14 boys can advance to semis with a win or tie.
I chuckle at Klinsmann's spot-on comments yesterday about US Soccer.
He says the US is the only country that has the soccer pyramid upside down in terms of it being a middle / upper class sport rather than being a lower class sport. In other words, it's a "country club" sport in the US dictated by mommies in lawn chairs and daddies with Starbucks coffee (with a touch of "scholarship" parents driving Escalades with shiny rims).
He commented on US Soccer needing to reach the inner cities, specifically mentioning the Hispanic population and contrasting it to the NBA. In other words, US Soccer needs to reach the blacks and Hispanics in the inner city.
He comments on our middle class players (aka white players / Donovan) not having the hunger or the technical ability of the rest of the world.
Just look here in MN. Our best players are our minority boys. But our numbers are low. Very few of our top talent is coming from inner Minneapolis and St. Paul. Personally, I don't think it's possible for this to change in the US without the presence of a strong professional league.
So white boys are athletically less inclined, have less desire/heart? Talk about racism!
10:33 PM Ok dumASS!
I'm watching the Netherlands v Slovakia World Cup match right now.
Not too many ethnic players on that excellent Netherlands side are there?
Aren't they ranked 4th in the world?
So, Mister soccer, why is the MTA model failing in developing and recruiting the top talent from inner Minneapolis and St. Paul?
Because the top talent from inner MPLS and St. Paul don't have the drive to show up for practice. All they want is to show up for games. Let them stay in the inner city! Lots of talent of all different races in the suburbs.
9:28 - you think that one up all by yourself? I think that may be the very first time anyone has used that insult.
11:20 - if anything they play more on their own in unstructured environments
Mister Soccer - great comments, And to think we had a chance to have Klinsmann as our National Team Coach.
You mean 9:48 dumASS?
"...they play more on their own in unstructured environments" and
"they" develop into better players? what does that say about the MTA model?
MTA isn't failing. As I discussed last year, it's a cultural issue in the US.
Soccer isn't a big part of our culture. Our families aren't surrounded by the game like they are in Europe and South America (duh). Our lower class doesn't play "in the streets" as a way to get out. Our pro teams don't fund our youth development. As a result, our best athletes play other sports.
Many of our best female athletes play soccer because they don't have the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL to compete with. Therefore, our women's team is tops in the world. But even our women's game isn't producing technically gifted magicians like Marta because our players are country club players.
It's frustrating because people think there is a quick fix and people think the USMNT should do better. The only reason we've qualified for 6 consecutive WCs is because it's easy to come out of the CONCACAF. Our culture won't chance overnight. Rome wasn't built in a day.
6/28 11:11
C'mon...inner city kids play basketball where they have 100 times the opportunity for scholarships.
Burb kids can't compete in basketball and football.
Burb kids play hockey,baseball lacrosse etc. Thought everbody knew that.
So Mister Soccer, Mr. Gulati and Mr. Klinsmann all think the same way, while most other people think another way. I suppose I like my company.
As I said above, "it's less about race and more about class."
Wayne Rooney was a poor white boy who developed playing in the streets. South Americans aren't always black. In the US, it's fair to say "poor inner city" and "black / hispanic" go hand-in-hand. It's not racism. It's reality. No reason to shy away from it.
None of this even matters. It's not about winning the World Cup. Nobody cares about the World Cup. It's about winning the MSHSL State Tournament in the dome in front of 700 classmates.
MTA is failing because there is no financial structure in place to enable them to attract, retain and support the top talent which - hate to say it, but - tends to be the immigrant man-child with a questionable birth date.
MTA has 6 boys teams at regionals. More than any Minnesota club has ever sent.
That seems like success not failure.
it's crumbling, though. the system cannot support itself.
10:26,
Keep wishing...it's all you've got.
That and a lot of hate and envy.
3:19 PM You got it right baby! 40 MN high school boys and girls kids experiencing success every year versus , if your lucky, a few Minnesotans ever playing in the world cup.
Mr. Soccer, (and even maybe Mr. Gulati and Mr. Klinsmann) it is racism when you make generization regarding people based on the color or their ethnic background. Everyone should be offended if someone were to say..."Black's/Hispanic's struggle in college because they don't have the mental capability to succeed in an academic setting. Higher Education is not apart of their culture." Your comments especially are as offensive as that statement! Believe it or not, poor is poor. It doesn't have a color or an ethnic background. I am and we should all be HIGHLY offended by your comments!
I took the comments made on ESPN, to mean our best players come thru a college system that is geared towards academics not soccer. As discussed here before playing D1 soccer really does not indicated the level of your soccer talent as much as your academic success and the ability to afford college in general. Look at the '91 Boys, the best talent is not playing D1, but is playing Jr College/Technical College and NAIA. Because they can afford it and the academic standards are not as stingent. That problem is just one of the problems we have in USA. A stronger PDL and whatever the NSC Stars and MLS will help those players who are not academically inclined or can't afford college the chance to still develop.
So is Mister Soccer being racist against whites since he's saying soccer isn't ingrained American culture and therefore our soccer players don't have the desire and technical ability equal to Europeans and South Americans?
Oh no!
I don't see the racism in Mister Soccer's or Gulati's comments.
MTA U16 girls just won their semi-final. They play in the Region 2 Championship match tomorrow.
Congrats to players and coaches!
MTA U16 !!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS !
GOING TO KC, MO !!
REPRESENT MN TO THE FULLEST!
Close the borders!
I'm reading this blog in amazement. Mr. Soccer, are you being sarcastic in some of your post? Are you saying these things or are you saying someone else is?
"He comments on our middle class players (aka white players / Donovan) not having the hunger or the technical ability of the rest of the world.....Just look here in MN. Our best players are our minority boys. But our numbers are low. Very few of our top talent is coming from inner Minneapolis and St. Paul."
When you say the middle class is white that racist. When you say the best players are our minority boys that is racist. Believe it or not being middle class is not exclusive to being white. Nor is being a minority exclusive to being poor. We recently had a player from MN leave college early and go to the pro's. I believe his family was both middle class and perhaps (gasp) a minority.
Try stopping and thinking about what your post before you post it.
Perhaps, Mister Soccer needs be re-culturized.
Check out the names listed today on the U20 Roster. The future is in the minority groups.
http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=6464
2 MN teams in R2 finals.
Is this a better or worse record than previous years?
U18B (Shattuck)
U16G (MTA)
Shattuck is not a MN team. This statement is made 50 times per year on this blog- I WILL NOT let MN take credit when it is convenient.
We had this discussion last year also- SSM was not considered by most here a MN team 6 months ago. So, no change in status allowed.
8:07, US Youth Soccer says that Shattuck is a Minnesota team and they do not care what you and five others on this blog think. Deal with it.
The good news for you is that you won't have to deal with them beginning next year. Get over it.
I think SSM is great and that SSM is great for MN. I would love to see SSM win a national championship. I wouldn't consider a SSM national championship a national championship for MN.
I think SSM is what Mr. Gulati and Mr. Klinsmann were saying is wrong with USA soccer.
Congrats to the MTA girls and Shattuck boys. Go get 'em, this "CC dad" is rooting for both of you.
Of all the SSM teams this U18 boys team will come as close as possible to being a Minnesota team, if you look at there roster there are quite a few young men from Minnesota on this team. Most of the key players are Minnesotan. As for the rest of their teams at least on the boys side they might have 1 or 2 MN players, the rest are not local talent. And this will probably be the last year that they play State Cup with their admittance to the academy. Wish them well as the try to win and give Minnesota a chance at a national championship.
Mr. Soccer, looks like you now have another inconsistency in your opinion. And yes, stereotyping is racism, even if you are only insulting white males.
How will you deal with it, hopefully something better than stating you are smarter and more soccer knowledgeable than everyone else on this blog.
the error in mr soccers logic to point out what someone stated above about donovan not being as technical as most players from the rest of the world. didnt the usa during the world cup, no minorities, our strikers, even scored a goal the whole tourny. i think it comes down to where you put youre focus.the minorities in the us, back in their countries soccer is #1 sport. it is huge all over except in the us where its popularity is growing. so most minorities play maybe because it is the sport of their home country. and that is the only sport they play. where in the us born players, our culture puts baseball,football,hockey first. most of these players play multiple sports and dont put a full effort into a single sport like some of the top players do who maybee minority. it has nothing to do with money, social status, color of skin, but what is stiched in the cultural background.
Our problem is you take a 16-year old immigrant, give him a 12-year old birth certificate, and put him on MTA Blue or PSA U12, when if he played at his real age (or heck, any age that would actually PUSH him), he'd develop, versus being the man-child all the other teams' parents complain about, only to lose his edge when all the other kids go through puberty and catch up.
Wow. Summed it up in one sentence.
SSM U18 Boys win 4-2 over 2 time champion, Javanon '92.
And no, I am not SSM, but know boys on the team
So the only Region 2 Champ ,from MN, comes out of SSM....
MN's last two regional champions have come out of SSM....
Anon 9:23 - Nice grammar. You're smart.
SSM is closest thing we have to the European academy system operated by their professional clubs. Two of MN's most talented players who had a lot of success developing within MYSA play at SSM. Both of whom happen to be minority players.
Anyone who thinks any of this is racist is far too sensitive and likely fears the sun.
I tend to agree with 10:06, but to not be considered racist, shouldn't EVERY player, regardless of race or real/paper age, be encouraged to develop at the highest age group possible?
I am just thankful that this age group has finally put something together, congratulations to SSM with a good handful of MN kids on the team
The fact of the matter is that the two best teams in the region may be from MN in this age group as VLY also beat 4 out of that 5 teams that SSM beat including both the semi and final teams
Congrats to all the MN teams and it is nice to see this kind of success in an age group in MN
yay ! u16 MTA ! luckily the other team had a automatic bid !
tooto we're not in kansas anymore !
psych !
MINNESOTA LETS GO
congrats to ssm, should be a good time at natis for them considering its on turf and they prefer that anyways, cant say i like them but i respect them and wouldnt mind seeing a nati ship trophy come to mn
not associated with ssm, in fact play for vly at that age group
Great news that the U16 girls team from Minnesota will be at Nationals - what a great accomplishment. Someone posted earlier that the MTA U13s were over-rated just because they lost a game (to the team that won championship game) in the Regional tournament which prevented them from moving to the semi-finals. My daughter's team has played against that team and they are a very good, very well-coached team. It is hard to believe they are only 12 and 13 year olds! I wish them well in their future because I think they will represent Minnesota well.
12:49 mentioned two of MN's best players, who happen to be minority players, play at SSM. Perhaps SSM is on to something. Both players have always been extremely talented soccer players, but didn't have great reputations as people.
From rather limited exposure this year, it seems not only have both improved as soccer players, but more importantly both have improved as people. I also overheard that both are on their way to Division 1 colleges and soccer programs. That's quite an improvement given MN's track record.
Racist.
identify yourself 10:33 AM, you heathen!
Another year has come and gone with Minnesota soccer clubs again finishing poorly in the US Youth Soccer Association’s Region II Championships.
Why so negative?
We're still better than North Dakota.
Another year has come and gone with Minnesota soccer clubs having their best collective showing in the US Youth Soccer Association’s Region II Championships
OK, what do you call it when 1 team out of 14 advance through the normal process. Tough draws or not, that’s 1 out of 14. What did we have last year…2 I think? The year before?
If you look at pure advancement then we were poor. If you look deeper into who we played, how we competed, and how close a number of the teams were to winning groups and more, then I think it becomes apparent that we have improved. In general most of the people I spoke with in Dayton no longer think that MN is a given win in group play.
Actually 4 teams advanced out of pool and the state had a 500 plus record as a whole by the state cup champions. That puts us on a par with everyone except MI, IL, OHS and MO. Ahead of KY, IA, SD, ND, and NE. Equivalent to OHN, IN, and WI. Right where we should be with our population base. KS is only state that outperformed.
KS outperforms because they border with Kansas City, Missouri and their teams draw from the entire KC metro are including Kansas City, MO.
They play great soccer in St Louis and Kansas City.
Those cities have been consolidating talent much longer than Minnesota has.
Wow...those non-ethnic well to do white boys from the Netherlands just knocked Brazil out of the World Cup.
My my my...how did that ever happen?
mn soccer will never keep up to the pace of others as the clubs and coaches are greedy. you figure it out
mn soccer will never keep up to pace of others because so many are negative and so many more are envious/jealous of anyone having success
Two great player from MN & SSM? Bunberry and who?
Isn't being Dutch an ethnicity? I don't recall seeing an all white Netherlands team either.
This rumor is floating around the MN Girls State Cup thread. Any insight from anyone?
MA off to join his buddy Amos Magee in Portland? Any truth to the rumor? Who is coaching MTA 14s,15s and 16s next year?
1/7/10 9:17 PM
MA has already turned down a Tech Dir position with a Dev Acad club. This is the second MLS group that has courted him, USYS year long ban and all, to lead their youth development system. Not much left for him to accomplish here in MN anyways.
Germany is awesome. Spain is awesome. It will be a great semifinal.
The Academy needs to take big kids that are athletes and make them into soccer players.. not take soccer players.
I've seen clubs take exceptional athletes that are big, run fast and jump higher than anyone, but can't dribble or pass a soccer ball if they tried! That experiment has proved to be a bust.
9:17 PM rubbish!
Golly guys, I've seen clubs take the exceptional athlete that are big, run fast and jump higher an make them awesome soccer players. I've also seen clubs/coaches take a kid with a funny accent or last name and find out that they can't dribble or pass a soccer ball if they tried.
The problem you goobers have is what you think you need. You need, kids/players that will work hard and have a passion for the sport. They can be big, small, average, fast, slow but mostly they need to have a passion for the game an work hard.
The problem with soccer in the USA is that we think we need to be what everybody else is. We think that the sport can't compete against football, basketball and hockey. While it seems to me the more and more players we introduce to the sport the better and better soccer becomes in the USA. The grass is not greener on the otherside of the fence it the same shade.
648, I got one name for you. MESSI (The number one asset to have when playing soccer IMHO is quickness)
Quickness is nothing without ball control.
1101, 1026 Here, I agree but I was sort of thinking ball control is something you learn and quickness is something you are born with. That was why I didn't mention ball control.
Anyone know what happened to the collapse of the MTA 14 elite team in the last game at regionals?
Coach gets dismissed with his team in the lead after throwing f bombs at referees. Team comes apart with head coach gone. The team had shown the skill and talent to win Regional Championship and if he had controlled himself they would be on their way to Nationals and a good chance of winning iy all. The most talented and dynamic team at U14 who caught the eyes of many in Region II.
What are you talking about? The MTA 14's won and are going to nationals. The Eclipse coaches are the ones with foul mouths. Get your story straight.
Wow, people really like to dig deep to slam MTA. I have no idea what the previous post are about but I can tell you that MTA U14s won the US Club regional title over Eclipse 1-0, no coach was thrown out, nor did they melt down. If you are going to throw mud at the team and coach at least know your facts.
Are we talking U14 boys or U14 girls?
MTA U14 Girls won US Club Regional championship and will play in Nationals.
They are talking about u14boys Regional Cup, not US CLUB.
Rumour has it that they only needed to lose by 1, tie or win to advance.
They were up by 2 at half(?). Then 12:46 picks up the story.
I've seen this team, they whine complain and act like the coach is described above. Time to rethink what is considered good coaching.
And don't say I'm bashing MTA, my son plays for another team within the club. It's just time to reflect on the season and adjust where necessary. Every club needs to do this, but few do.
What is true and what is false? Please elaborate. Who is the coach?
Tod Herskovitz
Heard about an incident with the same team different game from a reliable person. Said, the center ref lost control of the game and that regional personal had to go over to the field and warn the coach about his lanuage.
Unfortuneately, this isn't exclusive to MN nor MTA. The problem for the club is when they replace the coach of a winning team, how many of the players/parents leave the team to follow the coach.
I don't think anyone is saying to replace the coach, just that it should be discussed and changes made in regard to sportsmanship.
The game is supposed to be the beautiful game, not the rude ugly game. Sportmanlike teams win as much or more than those that act poorly.
Sportsmanship in soccer? The diving, cheating, etc. Name another sport that counts an act of utter deceit—Diego Maradona's "Hand of God" goal against England in 1986—as one of its greatest moments? (After Friday's match Mr. Suarez said, "Mine is the real 'Hand of God.'")
10:45 You can go along with it or you can try to change it back to the beautiful game. At least at the kids level. Just my opinion.
If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. It's part of the game.
A coach using profane language is unacceptable, on the other hand.
FIFA could reduce the amount of diving and faking in the WC by simply adjusting the suspension rules. It's shrewd to get your opponent in yellow card trouble.
I'm not a fan of replay or slow motion as a way to officiate the game, but I would applaud FIFA reviewing the games afterward and imposing fines, sanctions, or penalties to players and teams who are found to be exagerating, or completely faking fouls.
It wouldn't completely rid the game of cheating, but might reduce it significantly if there were escalating penalties.
In regard to the coaching discussion. Nobody faults a coach for being passionate and vocal here and there. But coaches, seriously, step back and think about berating referees. You rarely get any positive results. Your team starts to lose focus on what they are doing and focus on what they perceive as being unfairly penalized.
Pick your battles and speak respectfully, you may see a drop ball and apology once in a while. But more often you will get a brief answer to why the call was or was not made. Like it or not it is not a debate. Ask a question, get an answer and go back to what you do well, coach your players. Even if you disagree, you win enormous points with good and bad referees by letting it go. In fact, you will most likely see the good referees trying harder to get even closer to the "moments of truth" to earn your respect.
In the grand scheme of it all, almost none of the calls questioned by players, coaches, and spectators ever affect the outcomes of the games. We all know some do, but argueing a throw in near the center of the field? Nonsense, wait until something pivotal happens : )
Excatly Mister Soccer, soccer lacks sportsmanship.
Using profane language is unacceptable but cheatin' is ok? Perhaps that mentality explains MA's past behavior but neither should be acceptable. Cheatin' does not make soccer a beautiful game.
Using instant replay to see whether a goal was in fact scored seems more prudent, less controversial and beneficial to all than reviewing the games afterward to see if players are "exagerating, or completely" faking fouls.
Let's say I'm a South American player without a major contract in Europe. Let's say I'm playing in the World Cup.
If my team advances, I get more exposure and the likelihood of me getting a big contract from a European club increases tremendously.
My team's best chance of winning might be to get the opponent in yellow card trouble or to even get them to play short.
If a little dive or a some feigned agony is the difference in millions of euros, I'm going Greg Louganis on it.
Donovan is over-rated and a terrible interview, but he's right about this (something I've always said on this blog and something Anons always disagree with and then I get tagged Mr. Negative):
"I think where we're still a little bit behind some other countries is just our pure soccer knowledge and our savvy on the field. That takes time and generations that have watched soccer growing up, played the game growing up. A lot of our guys, including me, didn't really follow the game in a real way until our teens, where kids are watching from the time they're five in other countries and understand what to do in certain situations and how to play." -Landon
In other words, our players are idiots. Our players don't understand when to dive, when to roll around in pain, when to patiently possess the ball in the attacking third. Even Landon calls himself an idiot. This explains why our high school games and even our national team games are quite ugly to watch.
It's a cultural thing.
-Mr. Negative Soccer
2:53 PM -- Again, soccer lacks sportsmanship.
Mr. Negative Soccer -- "our players are idiots. Our players don't understand when to dive, when to roll around in pain." This is an idiotic interpretation. Perhaps MTA and other elite programs need to teach this talent to US youth.
Greg Louganis was a very good diver, but he couldn't even carry the swim suit for Robben or any of the Italian divers.
Berry Arrowsmith's resignation from MYSA post was quite sudden. My hunch is he had it out with MYSA regime and quit on the spot. God knows that organization can be a pain to deal with.
Does anyone have any knowledge of this situation?
Are you really seeking info or are you just posing the question as a means of making the announcement?
4:54, funny, but Italy wins cups and Robben is pretty close. If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin.
Netherlands did very well considering how few ethnic players on their roster.
4:20pm. You said it! Who would of thought a bunch of white guys could play so well.
Look at how well the U14 MTA elite did?
Somebody (9:28) can't let something go, but can't state it either. Is that called passive aggressive or something else?
11:06 AM,
Let go of what? Is anything on this thread ever let go?
12:00 AM A few parents are really bad.
Just to review....
A coach screaming profanities at a U14 Regional game is OK... He's just misunderstood. They should talk to him. Golly folks, I'm sure no one has ever talked to him before about his behavior. It just happen this once. Ri-i-i-ght. I think we had a coach from the Elk River area who had the same problem.
Screaming and rolling around on the ground faking an injury during a game is OK....(it a cultural thing we need to teach our kids)
Perhaps we should all ask, especially in youth sports, what do we want the game to teach our children that they can bring with them for the rest of their lives. Because honestly, here in MN not even 1% will play after high school.
So, as a parent here my take on things....
The U14 coach should be replaced! As the clubs COD here why, 1) He obviously is easily distracted and not focusing on the variables of the game he can control 2) I don't think the kids he coaches will become good people if they use him as a roll model 3) I suspect that his behavior encourages the parents and players to behave badly thus turning the focus away from the round ball on the field and playing soccer 4) His behavior was an embarassment to the club showing a lack of professionalism.
Diving....If I lose to a team because they could dive better than my son or daughter I'm ok with that. In the long run, my child will be a better soccer player able to control the ball and not have to rely on theatrics. Those who can do...Those who can't tell you how good they are and flop on the ground. Just imagine the evaulation...yeah, he can't turn with the ball his best move is rolling on the ground screaming. I don't know about your guys, but I think I would rather be known for something else.
What do we want the game to teach our children that they can bring with them for the rest of their lives? Mister Soccer, enlighten us.
So at 15 premier Maplebrook is relegated after Woodbury won the relegation bowl 2-0.
Which brings up this question...If only one team from a seven team league is relegated, does that mean no C1 team is promoted for next year?
If that's the case, MTA is to blame for removing any incentive from the C1 champs at state this year. They insisted on being placed in that league and once again, MYSA gives in to the demands of the evil empire.
Wow - be careful, your hate is showing. MTA is to blame? It was their right to have the spot, and, from what I see, MYSA was simply following the rules. If they play out of state, they get bashed. If they play in state, they get bashed. Can't win.
6:57 It is your club's voting that allowed the evil empire the right to "insist".
Are you always a victim, or do you take responsibility for anything.
Just to add a little cruelty (and unfortunately reality). The vast majority of C1 teams that get promoted to Premier end up being relegated the next year anyway.
6:57am Go try out for MTA if you're upset. Also, you can bash MTA players and parents all you want. We love it! It means that you are jealous of our system. Similar to how everyone hates the Yankees. Yankees have a good system, they win, so the get bashed. Keep hating MTA, the players thrive on it!
Time after time MTA beat my kids teams. The MTA parents have been fair on the sidelines, not overly cruel. The MTA players played fair, not anymore aggressive than our players. So instead of bashing, we're going to try-outs. Sure they charge more than any other club. Sure they expect more out of their players. This is what my 2 kids want, so I will support them. If we make a MTA team, great. If we don't, oh well.
9:40am,
Thanks for granting us permission to bash MTA players and parents. We love it too!
9:47am Good Luck, I hope it works out for your kids.
10:08am Oink Oink. You just confirmed what 9:40am said. You sound so jealous.
9:40am You're turning yellow with envy! Do you know that every state has one club that our "elite pigs". Oh well, live with it or join them! Wait the reason you hate MTA is because your kid isn't good enough?
10:29am But I'm not jealous or a an elitist pig like yourself, which you just confirmed that you are.
read the rule... one team C1 team will always be promoted.
10.2 Placement in a Premier League
c. Promotion-Relegation Standards for Premier Leagues
1. Promotion
b. U15-19: Vacancy(ies) in the U15 through U19 leagues will be filled by the C1 league winner(s)
that advance the farthest in the MYSA Summer State Tournament. A minimum of one team will be promoted.
MTA is getting bigger and fatter as the best players from all the CC's leave and try-out for MTA. Hate them or love them, they have a model that works. The CC's better adapt or go down in ashes.
11:41 AM -- You obviously know nothing. MTA is falling down, falling down...
Which GU15 C1 get's the promotion-looks like PSA from the current(final?) standings
Hey, i play for CCH and my cousin plays for Lakeville and we're both going to MTA try-outs. We can't beat, I'm joining them.
Oh yea, i play for Ep and my cousin (2X removed) plays for MU and we're both staying. Good luck playing with losers if you make the team.
12:03 PM -- Be prepared for the big fee increases that MTA has planned for the next season.
11:58... The C1 team that gets promoted is the league winner that goes the farthest at the state tournament.
12:39 - congrats on being the only intelligent post today.
Actually, I believe the honor should go to the earlier response provided by 10:55 AM. 12:39 is repetitive, while 12:50 is totally a waste of everyone's time.
who is ready to start talking high school soccer?
Many premier/elite boys players will be attending tryouts for the MTA USSF Development Academy age group teams. That is one great opportunity for the top level players.
I don't know much about their girls teams or the ECNL teams if that is as big a draw as the boys USSF Academy.
1141, your kidding yourself if you think all the best players leave and go to MTA. Many of the best players for each age group actually don't play for MTA.
Since around 1990 when Bangu was first established, that small club has slowly grown to become MTA and by far the biggest club soccer power in the state.
If the idiots in charge don't catastrophically screw anything up, soon enough all the top players in MN will be playing at MTA.
Anyone who denies this is hiding from reality and is trying to knock a good thing down.
I have never worked for MTA.
10:55, re-read the rule, no one gets promoted. It says "Vacancy(ies)" will be filled. If one team is relegated from a seven team league, there is no vacancy for next year.
10.2 Placement in a Premier League
c. Promotion-Relegation Standards for Premier Leagues
1. Promotion
b. U15-19: Vacancy(ies) in the U15 through U19 leagues will be filled by the C1 league winner(s)
that advance the farthest in the MYSA Summer State Tournament. A minimum of one team will be promoted.
So a C1 team is NOT "always" promoted.
6:01...
Can't you read your own crap? What does "[a] minimum of one team will be promoted" mean"? It's one thing to have a crazy opinion or a prejudice, but to be so blatantly stupid? I'm embarrased to be involved in a sport that you seem to support.
ASStom -- why do you waste our time?
3:54 PM -- You are so harsh on us parents. Please forgive us for being so stupid and guide us so we can make the right soccer decisions for our kids. Allmighty tom ASS, don't shut us out.
848- you must read and interpret the rule in its sequential entirety. If A then B, if B then C. For any "minimum of one promotion" to occur, there must be a vacancy. If there is no vacancy to be filled there can not be a promotion. You may need to retract your "blatantly stupid" comment and be less embarrassed being associated with 601 and more so being embarrassed of your own opinion eh?
949 - on the contrary, you reading my post is actually a waste of my time. Please refer to the Chuck Norris'handbook if you do not understand.
354 - God can forgive and guide you. Me, I only hope natural selection works in your case. Until it does, I hope the Dr. limits your weekend passes. But just in case those events do not occur; if you let your kids play without your biases regarding their ability involved, they will make the right decisions.
tomASS, you're obviously not an attorney. There is nothing saying that there HAS to be a vacancy for promotion. The rule only says that a minimum of one team will be promoted. Your ignorance is clear. If you can't read, what could you know about soccer. Putz.
tomASS, you're obviously not an attorney. There is nothing saying that there HAS to be a vacancy for promotion. The rule only says that a minimum of one team will be promoted. Your ignorance is clear. If you can't read, what could you know about soccer. Putz.
Thank you for posting that twice, Anon attorney putz.
Diego Maradona is illiterate. He knows a little bit about football.
All this over a u15 girls C1 promotion or not????
Seriously folks, is there anything else you could focus your energy on? I heard there are soccer charities that need help.
Last I heard Tony Sanneh is trying to get multiple things going, including bringing Haitian kids to MN to train along side our kids. Could you volunteer to help?
Let go of the anger, and turn it positive, call Tony, I'd bet he'd love help, equipment, donations, support....
NAPAILE - well said, I just can't help but sir the pot regarding parents.
Dear Siamese 134 or you have one hell of a refractory period ( but apparently shoot blanks)
If there is not a vacancy, what league spot needs to be filled then? It is certainly written in a manner that requires a vacancy to be present in order for it to be filled.
This is taken directly from the Incompetency Center for Soccer in MN known as the MYSA. This is their rule book. Pg 41 of 48 published on 11-20-09
10.2 Placement in a Premier League
a. Qualifying teams will be placed in a Premier league the following summer season at the next highest age group.
b. The Competitive Committee (DOC) will review the leagues’ results and publish a list of the following year’s preliminary qualifying teams by mid September.
c. Promotion-Relegation Standards for Premier Leagues
1. Promotion
b. U15-19: Vacancy(ies) in the U15 through U19 leagues will be filled by the C1 league winner(s)
that advance the farthest in the MYSA Summer State Tournament. A minimum of one team will be promoted.
1a - deleted that since it applies only to U14 premier teams.
the phrasing " a minimum of one team will be promoted" .......now this is implied in the manner it is written ......if a vacancy(ies) exists. I know it is not as easy to follow as a Dr. Suess book. But try it again and it might come to you eh?
Being ignorant is not such a bad thing. You can overcome ignorance.
Now as a famous US philosopher by the name of Gump once said, stupid is as stupid ............
I guess it's Mr. Putz to you now.
OMG I forgot the "t" in stir!!!
Yikes Mr. Putz Identifier is going to try to lambast me again for my ignorance. He would still be wrong. He would have to challenge my proof reading ability or my typing skills
Thank you for posting that twice, Anon attorney putz.
Diego Maradona is illiterate. He knows a little bit about football.
Tom ASS, settle down. You are a complete buffon on this blog. To be fair and civilized, I won't comment on your personal life or achievements on this blog.
Mister Soccer,
I guess you are the opposite -- you may be a litle literate but you know nothing about soccer.
Wow, the last two posts make me want to go back to school and figure out the psychology behind those kinds of remarks.
Thank You for sparking my educational interest again!
341 - you're going to be fair and civilized beginning now after you have called me a buffon? You might regret that since I don't think you meant to refer to me as a French Naturalist - though inferring that I am French is insulting enough ;-)
I think you meant buffoon? You want a do-over and then start being fair and civilized again? I'm Ok with that if you want to.
Comment on my personal life and/or achievements ( didn't know I had any ). Just make sure you are accurate for your own sake.
I'm completely settled down and at ease with everything here. It's just too much fun not to comment on what parents view as important.
You wouldn't be a parent that sends nasty emails in a drunken state and then can't spell his own name correctly are you?
Moving to Roseville, MN from out of state. I have two daughters (16 and 14) and they both play soccer. We will probably do a private school and obviously school fit and academics will come first but we want them to have a good soccer experience. Any advice on quality soccer experience? (we are moving from Arizona--job transfer---) Please be kind...it is quite a discussion on here.
9:53pm Welcome to MN. MTA is the top club in the state. Just go to the MYSA website and look under standings. You'll see MTA at the top in a majority of the age groups. TC Fire is in your area and they too are good club. North Suburban is ok, but they seem to be building up to some success. Good luck.
953 - Hill Murray is a good private school in your area.
I would start with MTA and then also explore clubs geographically. Kelixx has some nice female teams from time to time and have some decent trainers most players seem to enjoy. Some of the Northern Suburbs wouldn't be too bad of travel from the Roseville.
Enjoy the area and pray for a mild first winter
Are they U16 and U14 players, or U17 and U15? If they are the same ages as my daughter, I would be happy to talk to you personally about some clubs locally. Make sure you bring warm clothing!
Totino Grace HS has a good soccer program. They are class A, so making varsity and playing time may be easier than some of the AA schools. Totino has good academics and a decent draw from Roseville. Totino has a good shot at going to state this year as they do in most years.
splitsville
953, i'm not saying I don't believe you, but it seems every year right before tryouts someone gets on this blog asking about where to go. If you are serious then what U's are your daughters going to be this fall and I will give you my honest opinion of where to tryout. Just In case you were wondering I know everything and am always right. You can take that to the bank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pele
Anyone who even slightly considers the football program when choosing a high school in MN would have to be an idiot.
MN High School football is meaningless. The season is only 2 months long, played on bad fields, with bad coaching, in bad weather, with a lot of bad players.
For club, the easy and obvious answer is MTA if you're looking to win and possibly develop. If you don't care for the "take over the world" MTA vibe, simply draw a club out of a hat.
9:53 - what club did your kids play for in AZ? If you want a club similar to their old one, just let us all know and we will point you in the right direction. The high schools mentioned here are all good ones. If commuting is not an issue then you could also look at Benilde-St. Margarets or Academy of Holy Angels.
I don't think they are asking for which high school to attend for soccer, but instead want the name of a club program.
I'm withdrawing the H-M recommendation based upon the news story today. Had forgotten about Totino Grace. Good choice.
"Police arrested the Hill-Murray School's president in an undercover sting operation in a St. Paul park Thursday.
Joseph M. Peschges, 63, was booked into the Ramsey County jail on suspicion of fifth-degree criminal sexual conduct, a gross misdemeanor.
Officers arrested or cited nine men during Thursday's operation at Crosby Farm Regional Park, off Shepard Road, which "was conducted due to the high number of complaints from citizens of men engaged in lewd sexual acts with other men in the park," according to a police incident report.
An undercover officer reported that Peschges touched him in the groin area, over his clothing, said Sgt. Pete Crum, a police spokesman. Peschges, of White Bear Lake, was arrested at 2:20 p.m. He has not been charged.
Six of the men were cited for misdemeanor offenses and released. Peschges and two others were arrested on suspicion of fifth-degree criminal sexual conduct and booked into the jail.
Officials at Hill-Murray, a Roman Catholic school in Maplewood, declined comment this morning."
1129 - agree with you, but school choice is far more important in regard to their education. Doesn't hurt to provide insight and direction. Soccer is secondary although this blog attempts to be s soccer site
Looks as if you won't have to worry about MTA girls winning many State Cups next year - ECNL votes that members cannot participate in their State Cup events. I wonder how MTA will spin this to be in the best interest of their players?
It doesn't start until the following year:
On the subject of ECNL becoming a more exclusive competition, board members Christian Lavers of FC Milwaukee and Doug Bracken of Ohio Elite reiterated that ECNL member teams will not be permitted to play in the U.S. Youth Soccer National Championship Series beginning with the 2011-2012 season.
I stand corrected. Sorry.
ECNL clubs have no need to spin not playing in State Cups.
The level of competition among the ECNL clubs is at a higher level than State Cup.
The top clubs in the nation belong to ECNL and USSF Development Academy.
College coaches flock to ECNL events just as they flock to the USSF Development Academy events for the boys.
College coaches can see more top players at ECNL and USSF Academy showcases than at any other event in the nation.
ECNL and USSF Academy sell themselves. No need for spin.
Other good private schools with good girls soccer programs: Blake, Saint Paul Academy, Minnehaha Academy.
Be easy on TomAss, please don't push him to go to law school. He will rewrite FIFA LAWS of the game and MYSA rules. We don't need to change anything since I like status quo. FIFA is great, MYSA is great and REGION II is great.
don't worry 1023 - One, I would never have any association with the MYSA if I did not have too.
I have been able to stay away from them for sometime now.
Secondly - I believe in less rules, less power ( not talent) centralized in singular association. I'm a keep it simple type of guy. One state soccer association trying to control everything associated with youth soccer is not good and never will be good.
FIFA - only suggestion is to go with goal line technology.
I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either. Just one opinionated person who likes to polarize his positions.
Give me some credit, my number of posts are way down the last three years ;-)
Arizona parent here...thank you for some school names. I am aware that school soccer has its place---I just wanted to avoid a negative experience. We are visiting SPA and Concordia Lutheran this week. They seem like great schools...I am looking for a positive soccer experience for their school experience (good coaches, good friends etc.). We will def. check out MTA for a club option. Thank you for the feedback.
St. Croix to your east is very strong for girls at that age level.
Arizona parent -- my kids played four varsity seasons at SPA each and had a fabulous, fabulous experience.
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