Use this post for chat about non-MIAC college players, teams and scores.
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barbarino said... Wisconsin bounces back from a tough 3-1 loss to Tulsa to beat Western Michigan 1-0 and now Stanford 1-0. They seem to be a rapidly improving squad. Milwaukee lost two tough matches losing to both Tulsa and Western Michigan 2-1 and UWGB beat Drake 3-2 in OT and then lost to Creighton 3-0. It will be fun to watch all of our boy's from Minnesota compete for these teams.
7/9/07 10:42 PM
Anonymous said... 2007 MIAC Men is the thread - barbarino...you need a new thread for Div I players from Minnesota not playing (Hong, Alexander, Gibbons twins, Keller, Gerard-Larson, Vint, Krueger) vs. those playing (Ndely, Mai, Rosenthal, Baker, Horst, Miller, O'Brien, Voigtlander)...and all in WI...and current records of those teams: Madison: 2-1-0 Green Bay: 1-2-0 Milwaukee: 0-3-0
8/9/07 11:04 PM
barbarino said... Sorry anon 11:04 PM. Since we didn't have a D1 thread I thought it would be acceptable to weave it into this one. It seemed to be an appropriate way to gain some insight on our college players (including Davis, Gotsmanov, Senske, Greene, Browne, Wexler, Yonga, Burton, ...) all across the country. MNFUTBOL are you interested in starting that thread or should we just throw a few D1 comments in from time to time for those who may be interested?
9/9/07 8:09 AM
Anonymous said... Wisconsin beats #7 Cal 1-0 today!
Augsburg loses 2 - 1 to Carroll College(Waukesha, WI). Carroll's keeper was freshman Jamison Splett from Mounds View and center back was senior JJ Guttman from Eden Prairie. Carroll plays four MIAC teams in their preseason...finishes 2-2 against them.
FROM THE BOX SCORES IT LOOKS LIKE GREG ROSENTHAL HAS STARTED ALL THREE GAMES FOR UW MILWAUKE, I HOPE HE CAN STAY INJURY FREE AND HAVE A GREAT COLLEGE CAREER.UW PARKSIDE (DIV. 2) IS OFF TO A 4-1 START, JOHNSON THAO ALREADY HAS 4 GOALS AND A COUPLE ASSISTS AND TIM THAO HAS 3 GOALS AS A DEFENDER.TIM WAS ORGINALY A MILWAUKEE RECRUIT BUT COULD NOT GET IN, HE STUCK WITHIT AND WENT TO C.C. AND NOW IS A FRESHMAN WITH A SCHOLORSHIP, GOOD LESSON FOR HIGH SCHOLL KIDS. IF FIRST YOU DONT SUCCEED TRY UNTIL YOU DO.
I have heard some rumors that a fe wplayers aren't happy at Div. I - in particular Milwaukee...Joe Keller, Van Hong, Sam Alexander, Nick Gerard-Larson...woudn;t be suprised to see these guys in the MIAC next year.
Most people come back and go to St. Thomas...but I would guess this group is smarter than that and goes to a good program.
D1 soccer is tough. It takes a real commitment. Staying up on your studies, going to practice and training sessions, as well as the travel. Each year the table changes with new recruits and transfers coming in. Your position is always in question. If the prospects of playing are slim it is very hard to have fun and to stay motivated. I really tip my hat to these kids for giving it a go. I hope they enjoy their time and if they don't I hope they enjoy getting their education. If this isn't the case I hope they are comfortable making a change. D3 offers a nice alternative.
anon 8:51 stop babying these kids and making excuses for them. These are the players who we call "premier" players in MN and can't perform at a high level. Let's quit babying our players. If they can't make it at the D1 level, we should be asking ourselves at club level, what do we need to do to prepare these "elite" players instead of just collecting the paychecks.
We have clubs posting on their websites that these players played for them. maybe we should ask what sorts of preparation did the club give to these kids?
D3 schools have studies, go to practices, and training sessions just like D1 schools. What's your point?
More of the problems the kids have at D1 schools boils down to academics and time management and not what happens on the pitch. Injuries are injuries...nothing you can do about that. If mom and dad used to make sure they did their homework they don't have that crutch anymore. This has more to do with our high schools preparing the kids to structure their time and teaching them to study than playing soccer, it has nothing to do with their clubs and summer league coaches.
I don't know where you got your information about unhappy players. Maybe they are, maybe the are not. In regards to the Milwaukee kids, starting out 0-6 will make a lot of people unhappy. I think they also have a relatively new coaching staff and the few things that I have heard from players who left during camp is that the coaches are a-holes.
I don't think any of those kids have posted on this site complaining or making excuses. Sometimes a school, a team, a program, a coach are not a fit...so move if you are unhappy. Don't spend 4 years hating it. And you don't have to feel like a baby or a failure because you are unhappy.
Not liking a school or program has little to do with toughness. These kids made it through camp and are training everyday and going to school. They didn't leave like some other players. And D3 school, regardless of what their coaches will say, are not the same as D1. The training is more intense, the athletes are better, the off season is more intense, the stakes and pressure are higher.
Being tough can certainly help, but it doesn't make or break your college soccer career (D1, D2 or D3). College coaches have a responsbility to lead and mentor these kids on and off the field. The demands are high with training, games, travel and school work. Most of the tought men who post on this site could not hack what these kids are doing so don't kid yourself into thinking these are a bunch of babies. Coaches who focus on being hard-ass dicks, versus developing the whole player and providing leadership and mentoring, should all be fired. I've heard negative things over the years about almost all of the D1 and D3 coaches in the midwest. The fact is most of them are driven by their own egos.
Few if any of these kids will ever make a penny playing soccer and should be at college to become well-rounded productive members of society.
That last parent proves the case that some kids are just not brought up to play sports the way sports are meant to be played at a high level. Mentor, well rounded, WHAT who cares its sport meaning compitition between humans that are trying to prove there skills and abilities are better than the other person or teams. D1 soccer is a job and a privalige al at the same time. Dick head coach or not suck it up and play save your excuses for mommy and daddy.They dont give out trophys for quiters no matter how mant good reasons or excuses you have. If a player is good enough and strong enough to play D1 or D2 they will, if a player has a weakness it will be very quickly exposed and all of a sudden that player has to decide do I stick with this and get better or do I blame it on the coach and quit. College coachs dont get payed to lose so if I have a player that is not as good as I thought they would be I go find a better player.
Spoken like a dick-head coach. A parent yes, but not of any current soccer players. Yes, it is hard, yes it is competative. College coaches loose because they:
1. fail to recruit appropriate talent and/or 2. fail to prepare their players for games 3. fail to take responsbility for 1 and/or 2
I do coach though and probably beat your team with my better, more prepared, well rounded players. I'm guessing that you can check the box for 1, 2 and 3.
Well I guess I must have hit the nail right on the head parent because you went right to the five year old kid stuff, again just illistrateing the point that some poeple just dont understand non youth non recreational sport.
Anon 6:38 I like your moniker for our coach expert here. I would disagree though, I think there is value in competition and winning trophies. I think what we have here is someone who really wants to win one, versus someone who is capable of leadership necessary to actually bring it home.
So my questions for dh-coach are
How many trophies have you won as a college player or college coach? What is your all time college winning percentage? How many conference titles have you or your teams won? How many post season victories do you and your teams have? How many national championships have you won?
Our kids seem to be enjoying a great experience playing D1 soccer. Yes they face challenges, but it helps to develop the capability of thriving on adversity. I truly hope that they all recognize the great opportunity that they have in front of them. A chance for a solid education and to learn some great life lessons. A chance to be a part of a team working to a common goal. A chance to develop some life-long relationships. I hope that they can see the opportunity in front of them and make the most of it. They are very fortunate to have this opportunity.
I am not a college coach I played proffesional sports 4 many years and all I am saying is that as soon as you jump out of the youth level of sport all the rules change you better be prepared to deal with real sport and real compitition nobody is going to hold your hand and if you dont succeed you have no one to blame but yourself or bad luck if you have suffered a bad bad injury. As a pro athelete it was very easy to see who was going to stay and who would vanish.I am not trying to piss anyone off nor am I speaking of any players mentiond on this site, but haveing seen it from the inside I can tell you that the reason some players dont make it is simple not complex.
You've shared an interesting and valuable perspective. While I have only played professional sports marginally, I have played and coached soccer at the youth, college and professional level. As a player your repsonsibility is to prepare yourself to play, based on the coaches plan. As a coach you responsibility is to win. That usually means more that drawing up Xs and Os and yelling at players. The process is complex, more complex than playing...sorry if you are insulted but it is true. Great athelets are often great athletes because of their god-given abilities. The very upper crust of athletes are there because of their hard work, dedication and pursuit of excellence (and a significant amount of fast-twitch muscle!)
It is often difficult for great athletes to coach sports because they can't understand why a player doesn't perform. Coach who rely on being bullies and yelling are a dying breed and also not winning may games or trophies. Most D1 athletes have EARNED the opportunity to play a sport at the D1 level. They are also giving something significant to their school and community. Time, effort, blog, sweat, tears...some argue that these athletes are exploited. I think in some cases they are. Very few D1 athletes go on to play professionally in any sport. They should make sure they get a good education and prepare themselves for a non-pro athlete life.
please remove any blog that does not talk D1. You Wayzata parents can get enough of yourself and self promotion. There is a HS section. Go there and show your e"gross".
I'm sorry. I just responded to a simple question. Didn't think that it would bother anyone. I thought the idea was to provide information and some insight if you can.
The UWM staff won't be fired. They need some time to rebuild a program that was hurt when previous coach left and had players leave the UWM program. The AD will give this group some time.
UW-Milwaukee is on a 2-0-1 in their last 3, have 3 shut outs in a row and are tied for the conference lead with a 2-0-1 confernece and 2-8-1 overall record. They have 4 games in then next 10 days including UW-Madsion and then 3 conference games. We will see if they have turned things around by the middle of next week.
how about andrei gotsmanov? the guy is amazing. even tho he got an own goal vs bradley, he got a great assist and dominates the midfield. The announcers on FSC couldnt stop talking about him
In addition to Andrei's great season, some other MN players with stand out accomplishments include:
Brown freshmen Paul Grandstrand is having a great season at #20 Brown with a 8-1-1 record. Paul is unbeaten in the net at 5-0-1. This is the beginning of All-American material.
Freshmen Greg Rosenthal is anchoring the UW-Milwaukee defensive mid and defense as part of their 3-0-2 unbeaten streak. A Madison coach told me he might be their best player.
Sophmore Brandon Miller is one of the primary play makers on a top-10 midfield for UW-Madison.
At UW-Green Bay, Freshmen Mike Voightlander is paired up with Seninor Dan O'brien anchoring a strong midfield are part of a 10-game unbeaten streak.
Junior Collin Baker seems to have found his form recently with 2 goal in two games, earning his team 4 points with a 1-1 conference tie and 1-0 conference win.
Congrats to all D1 MN players regardless of playing time, stats and glory!
are these the only MN players playign D1 - do we have a list of all of MN players playing D1 and how they are doing? I am thinking my son can play D1 and was wondering if this is so short a list, it is worth going the extra time and effort. which clubs did these players play for? if they don;t play for premiere team, can they be d1 material?
It's possible to play D1 without playing on a premier or MWL team but you better be a true standout. Playing on a team that can get into the top college search tournaments increases the odds of your son catching the attention of D1 coaches. Most D1 coaches don't even bother with scouting HS soccer.
You gotta love Andre Gotsmanov. In between St. John's (NY) and Creighton, you could find the guy playing soccer just about everywhere. Last winter, we ran into him @ the Pro-Am and co-ed games @ Corner Kick. In the summer, we saw him playing in the top men's leagues and vs the Thunder. He's a truly gifted and smooth player. Creigton is lucky to have him.
Ndelly, Clubb and Yonga...only club played more than 1 year for kellix as part of youth soccer. They were TCF, Maplebrook and Wings players...sort of silly how they jumped around. All are good athletes and fine players. Although I did see Ndely get beat during summer men's league by guys over 40, multiple times!
Also let's not get on here and bash players, coaches...especially when you are putting down D1 players when you can't even put together a coherent sentence and don't know your facts. I would be willing to bet that a lot of people on here have a good appreciation for D1 players with high academics, good morals, ethics, and good family. You must be basing your hatred purely on jealousy. The hard part about soccer is that there aren't many years for these kids to earn a living playing soccer except for their academics and these kids have it made. Get over it!
Read the other blog - well said by a previous blogger.. Didn't your mother teach you your entire life. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And in some people's cases, if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute, don't type anything at all.
Maybe you can ask yourself what is my contribution to life and soccer? Are you still there?
read the posting from 10/18 8:10PM - sounds like a disgruntled soccer dad with lot of jealousy. To say D1 players playing were jumping around in their youth yet they are doing excelently well in college an example of someone who has not grown beyond his hatred for particular person. I bet these players go to college and the D1 coaches would only really play them because of where they played as youth in club? D1 coaches, don't play these because of their youth soccer? if you produce you play - period. You burst you behind, you get play time - period.
Get over it.
Didn't your mother teach you your entire life. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And in some people's cases, if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute, don't type anything at all.
Oh, you mean the part that said they "all good athletes and fine players" yea that guy really had it in for them!
I don't have a horse in the game. I am impartial. You must be one of their dads, not quite happy with the amount of attention they are getting as college players. They jumped around in youth soccer because YOU wanted them too...always looking for something better, the easy way to recognition, instead of sticking around and doing the hard work to make things better at their current club. The life lesson that you taught them to quit and go somewhere else, instead of staying and working hard, will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
So which is it, do you play if you "produce" or "burst your behind"? "Burst"? learn to write.
My Mother did teach me, to work hard, stick to my commitments and be happy with what I earned. Not criticize others for my lack of success. You should take your own silly advice...you are not saying nice things either, yet you chastise me for the same behavior...in AMERICA we call that a hypocrite! Come up with an intelligent argument...that means something different than "did'nt your mother teach you..."
Hopefully your son will not turn out to be like you. Get over yourself.
anon 7:22 for someone who does not have a horse in the game, what are u doing on a race track? you must be a gambler or a bookie, and definitely not a jockey since you are impartial... have you no common sense to know if you don't have a horse in the race, stay away from the tracks..- ROFLOL
No just someone who was left in the wake several times, created by the team jumping, club trashing, and the utterly ridiculous behavior of a few players and their fathers over the past 5-6 year. And it happened again this year with another group of familes and players at a different age group, by some of the same people.
Take your cry baby attitude elsewhere. This blog is for the success and accomplishments of D1, D2, D3 players from MN and not some grumpy old fart who has nothing to do - man you're a sorry soul - needing help.
Let's get back to D1,D2,D3 soccer.
Good Luck to all D1/D2/D3 players as they approach the final stretch of their season.
I hate to bring this up again, but I was just wondering, though, Anon 8: 02, you were "left in the wake several times" Sounds like you have or had some sort of relationship with the aforementioned players and/or coach. Thought maybe you'd like to share with us as to give some sort of context to your posts.
Sorry louishere, but not everything is about you. You are like others in the MN soccer community who think that everything they do is golden and everyone should jump on their wagon. The truth is that coaches have an obligation to lead by example, their behavior is a lesson, good or bad. The group of people we are talking about have taught far too few good lessons and far too many bad lessons. Their aren't enough years in their life to balance out the bad they have bestowed on the soccer community. Unlike you and Anon 8:25, who are most likely and overpaid coach focused on building your resume and ego, I have been a tireless volunteer for youth soccer, long after my son has moved beyond the youth game. I have given far more than I have received, again unlike you and those we are 'discussing' in this exchange. I don't ask for any thanks or anything in return, I do it for the love of the game, and to counter-act the a-holes who make youth sports more about person ego and control than a beautiful game for the kids.
Anon 8:54... I am simply asking what your relationship was, considering you have such strong comments. Let's not start taking shots at each other, other players, or coaches for that matter. That is not what this blog is about. I never attacked you. No one else ever attacked you. Yet you feel the need to attack those who you disagree with. Maybe you have received nothing in return for your share of volunteer work, but all I see you doing here is making up for your losses by attacking others. Grow up.
FYI, I am not "an overpaid coach focused on building my resume and ego." (how does on infer that from what I said in my previous post?) Actually, I am quite the opposite- a humble soccer player trying to enjoy the beautiful game- which is becoming uglier and uglier by the day as parents of ex-youth MN soccer players, like yourself, bash and argue with each other over who has done what for the state and who hasn't.
My advice to you. Relax. Don't take things so personally. You make yourself sound like an moron judging everyone. According to your completely wrong idea of who I am, I am soooo unlikely to believe anything you have to say about "he group of people who taught far too few good lessons and far too many bad lessons"
2. My god, take you own advice. You are the one judging, you are the one attacking, you are the one arguing and bashing.
3. I doubt you are a humble soccer player, just trying to enjoy the game...why would you be on this blog?
4. I don't want or need your advice.
5. Relax yourself...what are you doing up at 1:49am cruzing blogs? Get a life.
6. I am not asking for anything in return. I have nothing to do with MYSA as they have shown to be part of the problem over the years.
7. It is easy for those who don't have children to chastise 'over involved parents'...who do you think runs youth soccer? pays for it? runs players here and there hoping they learn some valuable lessons from organized youth sports.
8. Unfortunately, there are too many knuckle-heads out there... now you can include yourself in that group!
Paul Grandstrand (GK, Breck HS and Wings SC) from Brown University (NSCAA #6) is having outstanding season. He was just name Ivy League rookie player of the week for the 2nd time and is carrying an 8-0-1 record in the net. The full article is available here:
I knew that someone would pull that answer out of their butt. I'm talking about a varsity team which thanks, to our favorite equality roman numeral, doesn't exist
It's interesting to note that the reason Paul Geil didn't sign the final paperwork to authorize a Men's Varsity Team at the U back in 1979 was that at that point the Big Ten By-Laws mandated that if six schools (of the original ten) authorized a Varsity Team in any sport than all ten Big Ten schools would be required to field Varsity Teams. At that point there were five Varsity teams and those schools who did not have Varsity Programs pressured Giel to not sign the document. Then along came Title IV and the rest is history. I will tell you that Joel Maturi has said that he would like to add two varsity teams. they are women's lacrosse and men's soccer. Let's figure out what we need to do to work with Alan Merrick and the University to get this done!
Barbarino - Thanks for the history lesson !!! But, how does Alan Merrick figure into the University of MN equation ? I'm ignorant on that one. I have heard that MDW has pushed hard for a men's soccer team . Her Gopher connection is obvious.
barbarino-Thanks, I didn't know he had his finger in that pie as well. My instincts agrees with anon 9:42. I'm not seeing a men's program at the U, which is really too bad. We could use a guys D1 team in this state. Until then, come out and support the girls. They play tonight @ 8 versus IL. First game of the Big Ten Tournament. 3 Gophers just named to Big Ten teams and 1 honored for sportsmanship.
There is a proposal that has general support at the U of M to add D1 programs for Men's Soccer and Women's field lacrosse starting in the fall of 2009. Anyone else hear this news?
It would be great if the U of M started a mens program. My Son would sign on ASAP. He wants to play D1 but is not sure about going out of state,, Who do we contact to add a little pressure to them? I bet there would be lot of transfers also.
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Wisconsin bounces back from a tough 3-1 loss to Tulsa to beat Western Michigan 1-0 and now Stanford 1-0. They seem to be a rapidly improving squad. Milwaukee lost two tough matches losing to both Tulsa and Western Michigan 2-1 and UWGB beat Drake 3-2 in OT and then lost to Creighton 3-0. It will be fun to watch all of our boy's from Minnesota compete for these teams.
7/9/07 10:42 PM
Anonymous said...
2007 MIAC Men is the thread - barbarino...you need a new thread for Div I players from Minnesota not playing (Hong, Alexander, Gibbons twins, Keller, Gerard-Larson, Vint, Krueger) vs. those playing (Ndely, Mai, Rosenthal, Baker, Horst, Miller, O'Brien, Voigtlander)...and all in WI...and current records of those teams: Madison: 2-1-0
Green Bay: 1-2-0
Milwaukee: 0-3-0
8/9/07 11:04 PM
barbarino said...
Sorry anon 11:04 PM. Since we didn't have a D1 thread I thought it would be acceptable to weave it into this one. It seemed to be an appropriate way to gain some insight on our college players (including Davis, Gotsmanov, Senske, Greene, Browne, Wexler, Yonga, Burton, ...) all across the country. MNFUTBOL are you interested in starting that thread or should we just throw a few D1 comments in from time to time for those who may be interested?
9/9/07 8:09 AM
Anonymous said...
Wisconsin beats #7 Cal 1-0 today!
Augsburg loses 2 - 1 to Carroll College(Waukesha, WI). Carroll's keeper was freshman Jamison Splett from Mounds View and center back was senior JJ Guttman from Eden Prairie. Carroll plays four MIAC teams in their preseason...finishes 2-2 against them.
FROM THE BOX SCORES IT LOOKS LIKE GREG ROSENTHAL HAS STARTED ALL THREE GAMES FOR UW MILWAUKE, I HOPE HE CAN STAY INJURY FREE AND HAVE A GREAT COLLEGE CAREER.UW PARKSIDE (DIV. 2) IS OFF TO A 4-1 START, JOHNSON THAO ALREADY HAS 4 GOALS AND A COUPLE ASSISTS AND TIM THAO HAS 3 GOALS AS A DEFENDER.TIM WAS ORGINALY A MILWAUKEE RECRUIT BUT COULD NOT GET IN, HE STUCK WITHIT AND WENT TO C.C. AND NOW IS A FRESHMAN WITH A SCHOLORSHIP, GOOD LESSON FOR HIGH SCHOLL KIDS. IF FIRST YOU DONT SUCCEED TRY UNTIL YOU DO.
anon at 140 - can you take your CAPS off please? Thanks
I LOVE USEING CAPS IT HELPS TO MASK MY POOR SPELLING AND GRAMMER!!!
it is also harder to read
ALRIGHT IF TOMASS IS CHIming in I guess I will start using the proper size latters.
Wisconsin now 4-1 beat #7 Cal and #20 Gonzaga
Marquette 1-2-1
Green Bay 1-2-1
Milwaukee 0-5
there is aplayer from rochester who plays at marquette
also another player from rochester who play for columbia
I have heard some rumors that a fe wplayers aren't happy at Div. I - in particular Milwaukee...Joe Keller, Van Hong, Sam Alexander, Nick Gerard-Larson...woudn;t be suprised to see these guys in the MIAC next year.
Most people come back and go to St. Thomas...but I would guess this group is smarter than that and goes to a good program.
D1 soccer is tough. It takes a real commitment. Staying up on your studies, going to practice and training sessions, as well as the travel. Each year the table changes with new recruits and transfers coming in. Your position is always in question. If the prospects of playing are slim it is very hard to have fun and to stay motivated. I really tip my hat to these kids for giving it a go. I hope they enjoy their time and if they don't I hope they enjoy getting their education. If this isn't the case I hope they are comfortable making a change. D3 offers a nice alternative.
Players hitting the IR - Keller - hamstring, Nkuti - ankle, Gibbons - leg, Vint - broken nose and concussion, ...
anon 8:51 stop babying these kids and making excuses for them. These are the players who we call "premier" players in MN and can't perform at a high level. Let's quit babying our players. If they can't make it at the D1 level, we should be asking ourselves at club level, what do we need to do to prepare these "elite" players instead of just collecting the paychecks.
We have clubs posting on their websites that these players played for them. maybe we should ask what sorts of preparation did the club give to these kids?
D3 schools have studies, go to practices, and training sessions just like D1 schools. What's your point?
anon 8:14 - I agree witrh your sentiments - build tough kids and these excuses will disappear.
More of the problems the kids have at D1 schools boils down to academics and time management and not what happens on the pitch. Injuries are injuries...nothing you can do about that.
If mom and dad used to make sure they did their homework they don't have that crutch anymore.
This has more to do with our high schools preparing the kids to structure their time and teaching them to study than playing soccer, it has nothing to do with their clubs and summer league coaches.
I don't know where you got your information about unhappy players. Maybe they are, maybe the are not. In regards to the Milwaukee kids, starting out 0-6 will make a lot of people unhappy. I think they also have a relatively new coaching staff and the few things that I have heard from players who left during camp is that the coaches are a-holes.
I don't think any of those kids have posted on this site complaining or making excuses. Sometimes a school, a team, a program, a coach are not a fit...so move if you are unhappy. Don't spend 4 years hating it. And you don't have to feel like a baby or a failure because you are unhappy.
Not liking a school or program has little to do with toughness. These kids made it through camp and are training everyday and going to school. They didn't leave like some other players. And D3 school, regardless of what their coaches will say, are not the same as D1. The training is more intense, the athletes are better, the off season is more intense, the stakes and pressure are higher.
Being tough can certainly help, but it doesn't make or break your college soccer career (D1, D2 or D3). College coaches have a responsbility to lead and mentor these kids on and off the field. The demands are high with training, games, travel and school work. Most of the tought men who post on this site could not hack what these kids are doing so don't kid yourself into thinking these are a bunch of babies. Coaches who focus on being hard-ass dicks, versus developing the whole player and providing leadership and mentoring, should all be fired. I've heard negative things over the years about almost all of the D1 and D3 coaches in the midwest. The fact is most of them are driven by their own egos.
Few if any of these kids will ever make a penny playing soccer and should be at college to become well-rounded productive members of society.
That last parent proves the case that some kids are just not brought up to play sports the way sports are meant to be played at a high level. Mentor, well rounded, WHAT who cares its sport meaning compitition between humans that are trying to prove there skills and abilities are better than the other person or teams. D1 soccer is a job and a privalige al at the same time. Dick head coach or not suck it up and play save your excuses for mommy and daddy.They dont give out trophys for quiters no matter how mant good reasons or excuses you have. If a player is good enough and strong enough to play D1 or D2 they will, if a player has a weakness it will be very quickly exposed and all of a sudden that player has to decide do I stick with this and get better or do I blame it on the coach and quit. College coachs dont get payed to lose so if I have a player that is not as good as I thought they would be I go find a better player.
Spoken like a dick-head coach. A parent yes, but not of any current soccer players. Yes, it is hard, yes it is competative. College coaches loose because they:
1. fail to recruit appropriate talent and/or
2. fail to prepare their players for games
3. fail to take responsbility for 1 and/or 2
I do coach though and probably beat your team with my better, more prepared, well rounded players. I'm guessing that you can check the box for 1, 2 and 3.
Well I guess I must have hit the nail right on the head parent because you went right to the five year old kid stuff, again just illistrateing the point that some poeple just dont understand non youth non recreational sport.
hey dh-coach 5:36:
And soccer trophies get you????? A 25K a year job coaching soccer? Get a life! Thank god you breed is dying out!
Anon 6:38 I like your moniker for our coach expert here. I would disagree though, I think there is value in competition and winning trophies. I think what we have here is someone who really wants to win one, versus someone who is capable of leadership necessary to actually bring it home.
So my questions for dh-coach are
How many trophies have you won as a college player or college coach? What is your all time college winning percentage? How many conference titles have you or your teams won? How many post season victories do you and your teams have? How many national championships have you won?
...thought so...0
Our kids seem to be enjoying a great experience playing D1 soccer. Yes they face challenges, but it helps to develop the capability of thriving on adversity. I truly hope that they all recognize the great opportunity that they have in front of them. A chance for a solid education and to learn some great life lessons. A chance to be a part of a team working to a common goal. A chance to develop some life-long relationships. I hope that they can see the opportunity in front of them and make the most of it. They are very fortunate to have this opportunity.
I am not a college coach I played proffesional sports 4 many years and all I am saying is that as soon as you jump out of the youth level of sport all the rules change you better be prepared to deal with real sport and real compitition nobody is going to hold your hand and if you dont succeed you have no one to blame but yourself or bad luck if you have suffered a bad bad injury. As a pro athelete it was very easy to see who was going to stay and who would vanish.I am not trying to piss anyone off nor am I speaking of any players mentiond on this site, but haveing seen it from the inside I can tell you that the reason some players dont make it is simple not complex.
You've shared an interesting and valuable perspective. While I have only played professional sports marginally, I have played and coached soccer at the youth, college and professional level. As a player your repsonsibility is to prepare yourself to play, based on the coaches plan. As a coach you responsibility is to win. That usually means more that drawing up Xs and Os and yelling at players. The process is complex, more complex than playing...sorry if you are insulted but it is true. Great athelets are often great athletes because of their god-given abilities. The very upper crust of athletes are there because of their hard work, dedication and pursuit of excellence (and a significant amount of fast-twitch muscle!)
It is often difficult for great athletes to coach sports because they can't understand why a player doesn't perform. Coach who rely on being bullies and yelling are a dying breed and also not winning may games or trophies. Most D1 athletes have EARNED the opportunity to play a sport at the D1 level. They are also giving something significant to their school and community. Time, effort, blog, sweat, tears...some argue that these athletes are exploited. I think in some cases they are. Very few D1 athletes go on to play professionally in any sport. They should make sure they get a good education and prepare themselves for a non-pro athlete life.
Anyone know the score of the Wayzata v Armstrong game last night?
The game was called with about 25 minutes left to go in the first half with Wayzata up 1-0. It will be replayed.
please remove any blog that does not talk D1. You Wayzata parents can get enough of yourself and self promotion. There is a HS section. Go there and show your e"gross".
I'm sorry. I just responded to a simple question. Didn't think that it would bother anyone. I thought the idea was to provide information and some insight if you can.
Lighten up anon 5:14, I posted the question in the wrong section. Thanks B for answering...some peoples kids, I'll tell ya...
Anon 5:14, take a chill pill. Remember that this is a blog about a game. Get it? A bloody game!
Brandon Miller had 3 assists and 1 goal in a 4-0 win over NIU
minneapolis south has 4 of the best midfielders in the state, the best defence in the but what they are lacking is offence!!!!!!
Thanks for that great insight.. Anon 1:37
UWM finally wins! Knock off Minn. Ben Sippola's Butler team. Rosenthal, Gerard-Larson start - Keller and Hong play.
Still a coaching staff that must be headed toward being fired at season end...if they make it that far.
The UWM staff won't be fired.
They need some time to rebuild a program that was hurt when previous coach left and had players leave the UWM program.
The AD will give this group some time.
betcha a beer they will be
UW-Milwaukee is on a 2-0-1 in their last 3, have 3 shut outs in a row and are tied for the conference lead with a 2-0-1 confernece and 2-8-1 overall record. They have 4 games in then next 10 days including UW-Madsion and then 3 conference games. We will see if they have turned things around by the middle of next week.
Anyone else hear any scuttle about one of the UWM coaches and some bad behavior recently?
how about andrei gotsmanov? the guy is amazing. even tho he got an own goal vs bradley, he got a great assist and dominates the midfield. The announcers on FSC couldnt stop talking about him
The question about Andrei is if he'll be eligible next season.
He can play but does he have the discipline to hit the books?
In addition to Andrei's great season, some other MN players with stand out accomplishments include:
Brown freshmen Paul Grandstrand is having a great season at #20 Brown with a 8-1-1 record. Paul is unbeaten in the net at 5-0-1. This is the beginning of All-American material.
Freshmen Greg Rosenthal is anchoring the UW-Milwaukee defensive mid and defense as part of their 3-0-2 unbeaten streak. A Madison coach told me he might be their best player.
Sophmore Brandon Miller is one of the primary play makers on a top-10 midfield for UW-Madison.
At UW-Green Bay, Freshmen Mike Voightlander is paired up with Seninor Dan O'brien anchoring a strong midfield are part of a 10-game unbeaten streak.
Junior Collin Baker seems to have found his form recently with 2 goal in two games, earning his team 4 points with a 1-1 conference tie and 1-0 conference win.
Congrats to all D1 MN players regardless of playing time, stats and glory!
Keep it up boys!
Rosenthal scored to extend UWM's streak to six games...still think they are getting fired? Unbeaten in conference...
Van Hong and Nick Gerard-Larson both started alongside Rosie in Sunday's win.
What's this 'bad behavior' all about?
are these the only MN players playign D1 - do we have a list of all of MN players playing D1 and how they are doing? I am thinking my son can play D1 and was wondering if this is so short a list, it is worth going the extra time and effort. which clubs did these players play for? if they don;t play for premiere team, can they be d1 material?
It's possible to play D1 without playing on a premier or MWL team but you better be a true standout.
Playing on a team that can get into the top college search tournaments increases the odds of your son catching the attention of D1 coaches.
Most D1 coaches don't even bother with scouting HS soccer.
You gotta love Andre Gotsmanov. In between St. John's (NY) and Creighton, you could find the guy playing soccer just about everywhere. Last winter, we ran into him @ the Pro-Am and co-ed games @ Corner Kick. In the summer, we saw him playing in the top men's leagues and vs the Thunder. He's a truly gifted and smooth player. Creigton is lucky to have him.
ndely, clubb, yonga,
our favorites...list continues! how soon we forget the kellix summer team!
Article on Yonga:
http://cornellsun.com/node/25202
Thanks Jerry.
Ndelly, Clubb and Yonga...only club played more than 1 year for kellix as part of youth soccer. They were TCF, Maplebrook and Wings players...sort of silly how they jumped around. All are good athletes and fine players. Although I did see Ndely get beat during summer men's league by guys over 40, multiple times!
Also let's not get on here and bash players, coaches...especially when you are putting down D1 players when you can't even put together a coherent sentence and don't know your facts. I would be willing to bet that a lot of people on here have a good appreciation for D1 players with high academics, good morals, ethics, and good family. You must be basing your hatred purely on jealousy. The hard part about soccer is that there aren't many years for these kids to earn a living playing soccer except for their academics and these kids have it made. Get over it!
Read the other blog - well said by a previous blogger.. Didn't your mother teach you your entire life. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And in some people's cases, if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute, don't type anything at all.
Maybe you can ask yourself what is my contribution to life and soccer?
Are you still there?
to which post are you referring to when you say "lets not get on here and bash players..."?
read the posting from 10/18 8:10PM - sounds like a disgruntled soccer dad with lot of jealousy. To say D1 players playing were jumping around in their youth yet they are doing excelently well in college an example of someone who has not grown beyond his hatred for particular person. I bet these players go to college and the D1 coaches would only really play them because of where they played as youth in club? D1 coaches, don't play these because of their youth soccer? if you produce you play - period. You burst you behind, you get play time - period.
Get over it.
Didn't your mother teach you your entire life. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And in some people's cases, if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute, don't type anything at all.
Oh, you mean the part that said they "all good athletes and fine players" yea that guy really had it in for them!
I don't have a horse in the game. I am impartial. You must be one of their dads, not quite happy with the amount of attention they are getting as college players. They jumped around in youth soccer because YOU wanted them too...always looking for something better, the easy way to recognition, instead of sticking around and doing the hard work to make things better at their current club. The life lesson that you taught them to quit and go somewhere else, instead of staying and working hard, will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
So which is it, do you play if you "produce" or "burst your behind"? "Burst"? learn to write.
My Mother did teach me, to work hard, stick to my commitments and be happy with what I earned. Not criticize others for my lack of success. You should take your own silly advice...you are not saying nice things either, yet you chastise me for the same behavior...in AMERICA we call that a hypocrite! Come up with an intelligent argument...that means something different than "did'nt your mother teach you..."
Hopefully your son will not turn out to be like you. Get over yourself.
Wow. So many spelling and grammatical errors in the last post it is ridiculous they told someone else to "learn to write."
anon 7:22 for someone who does not have a horse in the game, what are u doing on a race track? you must be a gambler or a bookie, and definitely not a jockey since you are impartial... have you no common sense to know if you don't have a horse in the race, stay away from the tracks..- ROFLOL
No just someone who was left in the wake several times, created by the team jumping, club trashing, and the utterly ridiculous behavior of a few players and their fathers over the past 5-6 year. And it happened again this year with another group of familes and players at a different age group, by some of the same people.
Take your cry baby attitude elsewhere. This blog is for the success and accomplishments of D1, D2, D3 players from MN and not some grumpy old fart who has nothing to do - man you're a sorry soul - needing help.
Let's get back to D1,D2,D3 soccer.
Good Luck to all D1/D2/D3 players as they approach the final stretch of their season.
Right on louishere!
I hate to bring this up again, but I was just wondering, though, Anon 8: 02, you were "left in the wake several times" Sounds like you have or had some sort of relationship with the aforementioned players and/or coach. Thought maybe you'd like to share with us as to give some sort of context to your posts.
Sorry louishere, but not everything is about you. You are like others in the MN soccer community who think that everything they do is golden and everyone should jump on their wagon. The truth is that coaches have an obligation to lead by example, their behavior is a lesson, good or bad. The group of people we are talking about have taught far too few good lessons and far too many bad lessons. Their aren't enough years in their life to balance out the bad they have bestowed on the soccer community. Unlike you and Anon 8:25, who are most likely and overpaid coach focused on building your resume and ego, I have been a tireless volunteer for youth soccer, long after my son has moved beyond the youth game. I have given far more than I have received, again unlike you and those we are 'discussing' in this exchange. I don't ask for any thanks or anything in return, I do it for the love of the game, and to counter-act the a-holes who make youth sports more about person ego and control than a beautiful game for the kids.
Anon 8:54... I am simply asking what your relationship was, considering you have such strong comments. Let's not start taking shots at each other, other players, or coaches for that matter. That is not what this blog is about. I never attacked you. No one else ever attacked you. Yet you feel the need to attack those who you disagree with. Maybe you have received nothing in return for your share of volunteer work, but all I see you doing here is making up for your losses by attacking others. Grow up.
FYI, I am not "an overpaid coach focused on building my resume and ego." (how does on infer that from what I said in my previous post?) Actually, I am quite the opposite- a humble soccer player trying to enjoy the beautiful game- which is becoming uglier and uglier by the day as parents of ex-youth MN soccer players, like yourself, bash and argue with each other over who has done what for the state and who hasn't.
My advice to you. Relax. Don't take things so personally. You make yourself sound like an moron judging everyone. According to your completely wrong idea of who I am, I am soooo unlikely to believe anything you have to say about "he group of people who taught far too few good lessons and far too many bad lessons"
Anon 1:49 AM
1. I wasn't talking to you.
2. My god, take you own advice. You are the one judging, you are the one attacking, you are the one arguing and bashing.
3. I doubt you are a humble soccer player, just trying to enjoy the game...why would you be on this blog?
4. I don't want or need your advice.
5. Relax yourself...what are you doing up at 1:49am cruzing blogs? Get a life.
6. I am not asking for anything in return. I have nothing to do with MYSA as they have shown to be part of the problem over the years.
7. It is easy for those who don't have children to chastise 'over involved parents'...who do you think runs youth soccer? pays for it? runs players here and there hoping they learn some valuable lessons from organized youth sports.
8. Unfortunately, there are too many knuckle-heads out there... now you can include yourself in that group!
Please stop the pissing contest. I think we all understand your points. Let's get this post back to D1, D2 and D3 MN players.
Thank you.
louishere please stop. Go somewhere else if you want to carry on a personal battle.
Thank you.
Agreed.. anyone think any current or future college players from MN have a shot at the next level, MLS or beyond?
Andrew Peterson left Creighton after graduating in thee spring and was signed mid-season by the Columbus Crew this year...
Could happen - but right now, it doesn't look promising for current players. Time will tell.
Paul Grandstrand (GK, Breck HS and Wings SC) from Brown University (NSCAA #6) is having outstanding season. He was just name Ivy League rookie player of the week for the 2nd time and is carrying an 8-0-1 record in the net. The full article is available here:
http://brownbears.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/102907aaa.html
Congratulations to Paul!
does anyone know when the u of m is going to get a real men's team?
The U of M does have a "real team", it just doesn't happen to be a Varsity Team.
I knew that someone would pull that answer out of their butt. I'm talking about a varsity team which thanks, to our favorite equality roman numeral, doesn't exist
It's interesting to note that the reason Paul Geil didn't sign the final paperwork to authorize a Men's Varsity Team at the U back in 1979 was that at that point the Big Ten By-Laws mandated that if six schools (of the original ten) authorized a Varsity Team in any sport than all ten Big Ten schools would be required to field Varsity Teams. At that point there were five Varsity teams and those schools who did not have Varsity Programs pressured Giel to not sign the document. Then along came Title IV and the rest is history.
I will tell you that Joel Maturi has said that he would like to add two varsity teams. they are women's lacrosse and men's soccer. Let's figure out what we need to do to work with Alan Merrick and the University to get this done!
Barbarino - Thanks for the history lesson !!! But, how does Alan Merrick figure into the University of MN equation ? I'm ignorant on that one. I have heard that MDW has pushed hard for a men's soccer team . Her Gopher connection is obvious.
I was talking to someone from the athletic dept. and word is that there no plans in the forseeable future... too bad.
Socmum7 Alan Merrick is the U of M Coach.
barbarino-Thanks, I didn't know he had his finger in that pie as well. My instincts agrees with anon 9:42. I'm not seeing a men's program at the U, which is really too bad. We could use a guys D1 team in this state. Until then, come out and support the girls. They play tonight @ 8 versus IL. First game of the Big Ten Tournament. 3 Gophers just named to Big Ten teams and 1 honored for sportsmanship.
There is a proposal that has general support at the U of M to add D1 programs for Men's Soccer and Women's field lacrosse starting in the fall of 2009. Anyone else hear this news?
It would be great if the U of M started a mens program. My Son would sign on ASAP. He wants to play D1 but is not sure about going out of state,, Who do we contact to add a little pressure to them? I bet there would be lot of transfers also.
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